Infamous Iron Man, awesome design, but disappointing performance?

DarknessFallsDarknessFalls Member Posts: 163 ★★
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I was so happy to recieve my Infamous Iron Man from the featured crystal. Could wait to rank it up, didn't even wait for level up event.

But what followed since has been just disappointment and mediocre performance with few flashed of brilliance, making it niche, and could be easily done with many other characters which are more viable in other content as well.

The amount of weakness is mind boggling on this character.

1. Armour break - it's done and dusted, easily available on many characters.
2. Nullify - In-case above is not available.
3. Shock immunity
4. Watch out for local and global nodes which removed buffs on your character - so unreliable. Literally you need to check each and every node on a path to make sure your incinerate or shock immune Infamous IR can even be used for the quest, though good luck with incursions or wars and alliance quests.

If the above wasn't all, the unreliability in power burn, and the high risk to cost any fight. Cause your heal is not gonna activate if you are against a SP3, one miss step it's over.

All in all, regretting awakening it as well as making it my number one. My CGR can do better job even at class disadvantage or bad matchup.

Still testing but seems will become another side character, not one to stay in main roster, sigh.

Just my experience, not sure how you guys feel about the champion.
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  • DarknessFallsDarknessFalls Member Posts: 163 ★★
    Like I told flashes of brilliance. But today had to fight a human touch in Alliance quest, only characters with incinerate immunity. Had local node removes buffs on attackers and heals defenders. Literally unplayable. I mean maybe, you can work around armour break, nullify in some cases still use skill but I was helpless here. I mean why the immunity had to be armour dependent.

    Just very unreliable overall. Though I understand your point. I want it to work in my main team, really like the design and attack animations, still trying and testing. :(
  • DarknessFallsDarknessFalls Member Posts: 163 ★★
    With Penny Parker having the synergy to solve the shock immunity issue is not that helpful as having 2 tech in team is rare to carry especially in 3 character team. I wish this was in his Awakening at the least.

    Even after Awakening the block proficiency and energy resistance he gets is also dependent on his armour being up. Weak defender(maybe some node can help, but in his case one won't do), unreliable attacker.
  • bm3eppsbm3epps Member Posts: 1,157 ★★★
    😂 hopefully a lot of people are thinking the same way so arena scores can be low
  • DarknessFallsDarknessFalls Member Posts: 163 ★★
    CyborgNinja135 said:

    I think he's great. Really in good for questing, AW, AQ, BGs, and incursions.

    When it comes to points 2 and 4, you can play around stuff like buffet and power snack by letting the node consume the precision from dexterity before the armor comes back. If you're facing a node like tranquility then you wouldn't bring someone that relies on buffs in the first place. In fact, he's not the first champion in the game that loses utility and/or damage when their buffs are removed so I don't get why this is a complaint.

    Point 1: Unless it's something like crumbling armor + a passive AI, or armor break on contact/without doing anything like Terrax or Knull (and you shouldn't be bringing IDoom into these match-ups either way), he is pretty reliable. Ghost is useless the moment she gets an armor break on her. Same with Guardian, SC loses his immunities. Why is it a problem that Tech characters are susceptible to being armor broken?

    Point 3: Unless it's BGs you can bring Peni along and the shocks are replaced with incinerates that serve the same function. Again, you don't see people complaining that Ibom loses all his damage against poison immune or that BWDO is bad against shock immune.

    There is always another option, like you said. It's just in infamous IR case there are to many concerns. IBOM still can heal very well with self poison, and still easily can finish fights using his special 2.

    Whereas for IR, even special 2 is conditioned to get the damage out.

    Infamous IR, love the character, so only disappointed. The more you use it, the more you will face uncertainty of him being one of the main stay in your attack or build your team around him. He is niche, not even completely reliable even against mutant class. Forget other match ups. The question is if a character is build only to counter few characters or should have some more to it as well.
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 21,964 ★★★★★
    DarknessFalls said:

    CyborgNinja135 said:

    I think he's great. Really in good for questing, AW, AQ, BGs, and incursions.

    When it comes to points 2 and 4, you can play around stuff like buffet and power snack by letting the node consume the precision from dexterity before the armor comes back. If you're facing a node like tranquility then you wouldn't bring someone that relies on buffs in the first place. In fact, he's not the first champion in the game that loses utility and/or damage when their buffs are removed so I don't get why this is a complaint.

    Point 1: Unless it's something like crumbling armor + a passive AI, or armor break on contact/without doing anything like Terrax or Knull (and you shouldn't be bringing IDoom into these match-ups either way), he is pretty reliable. Ghost is useless the moment she gets an armor break on her. Same with Guardian, SC loses his immunities. Why is it a problem that Tech characters are susceptible to being armor broken?

    Point 3: Unless it's BGs you can bring Peni along and the shocks are replaced with incinerates that serve the same function. Again, you don't see people complaining that Ibom loses all his damage against poison immune or that BWDO is bad against shock immune.

    There is always another option, like you said. It's just in infamous IR case there are to many concerns. IBOM still can heal very well with self poison, and still easily can finish fights using his special 2.

    Whereas for IR, even special 2 is conditioned to get the damage out.

    Infamous IR, love the character, so only disappointed. The more you use it, the more you will face uncertainty of him being one of the main stay in your attack or build your team around him. He is niche, not even completely reliable even against mutant class. Forget other match ups. The question is if a character is build only to counter few characters or should have some more to it as well.
    Which mutants is not good against? Bishop aside.
  • SyndicatedSyndicated Member Posts: 655 ★★★
    Demonzfyre said:

    DarknessFalls said:

    CyborgNinja135 said:

    I think he's great. Really in good for questing, AW, AQ, BGs, and incursions.

    When it comes to points 2 and 4, you can play around stuff like buffet and power snack by letting the node consume the precision from dexterity before the armor comes back. If you're facing a node like tranquility then you wouldn't bring someone that relies on buffs in the first place. In fact, he's not the first champion in the game that loses utility and/or damage when their buffs are removed so I don't get why this is a complaint.

    Point 1: Unless it's something like crumbling armor + a passive AI, or armor break on contact/without doing anything like Terrax or Knull (and you shouldn't be bringing IDoom into these match-ups either way), he is pretty reliable. Ghost is useless the moment she gets an armor break on her. Same with Guardian, SC loses his immunities. Why is it a problem that Tech characters are susceptible to being armor broken?

    Point 3: Unless it's BGs you can bring Peni along and the shocks are replaced with incinerates that serve the same function. Again, you don't see people complaining that Ibom loses all his damage against poison immune or that BWDO is bad against shock immune.

    There is always another option, like you said. It's just in infamous IR case there are to many concerns. IBOM still can heal very well with self poison, and still easily can finish fights using his special 2.

    Whereas for IR, even special 2 is conditioned to get the damage out.

    Infamous IR, love the character, so only disappointed. The more you use it, the more you will face uncertainty of him being one of the main stay in your attack or build your team around him. He is niche, not even completely reliable even against mutant class. Forget other match ups. The question is if a character is build only to counter few characters or should have some more to it as well.
    Which mutants is not good against? Bishop aside.
    He can delete Bishop without problem, he can revome prowess so...
  • DarknessFallsDarknessFalls Member Posts: 163 ★★
    Syndicated said:

    Demonzfyre said:

    DarknessFalls said:

    CyborgNinja135 said:

    I think he's great. Really in good for questing, AW, AQ, BGs, and incursions.

    When it comes to points 2 and 4, you can play around stuff like buffet and power snack by letting the node consume the precision from dexterity before the armor comes back. If you're facing a node like tranquility then you wouldn't bring someone that relies on buffs in the first place. In fact, he's not the first champion in the game that loses utility and/or damage when their buffs are removed so I don't get why this is a complaint.

    Point 1: Unless it's something like crumbling armor + a passive AI, or armor break on contact/without doing anything like Terrax or Knull (and you shouldn't be bringing IDoom into these match-ups either way), he is pretty reliable. Ghost is useless the moment she gets an armor break on her. Same with Guardian, SC loses his immunities. Why is it a problem that Tech characters are susceptible to being armor broken?

    Point 3: Unless it's BGs you can bring Peni along and the shocks are replaced with incinerates that serve the same function. Again, you don't see people complaining that Ibom loses all his damage against poison immune or that BWDO is bad against shock immune.

    There is always another option, like you said. It's just in infamous IR case there are to many concerns. IBOM still can heal very well with self poison, and still easily can finish fights using his special 2.

    Whereas for IR, even special 2 is conditioned to get the damage out.

    Infamous IR, love the character, so only disappointed. The more you use it, the more you will face uncertainty of him being one of the main stay in your attack or build your team around him. He is niche, not even completely reliable even against mutant class. Forget other match ups. The question is if a character is build only to counter few characters or should have some more to it as well.
    Which mutants is not good against? Bishop aside.
    He can delete Bishop without problem, he can revome prowess so...
    Yes, easy to take bishop out, though for prowess -not in all cases, he was not removing prowess in storm case as it's not 2 or more at a time(why not completely counter prowess).
    Also, not that good against both Mags. Usually it's not just characters, but local and global nodes on top as well. Still haven't fought all mutants yet, but mixed observations.
  • Rugbyman371Rugbyman371 Member Posts: 56 ★
    DarknessFalls said:

    Syndicated said:

    Demonzfyre said:

    DarknessFalls said:

    CyborgNinja135 said:

    I think he's great. Really in good for questing, AW, AQ, BGs, and incursions.

    When it comes to points 2 and 4, you can play around stuff like buffet and power snack by letting the node consume the precision from dexterity before the armor comes back. If you're facing a node like tranquility then you wouldn't bring someone that relies on buffs in the first place. In fact, he's not the first champion in the game that loses utility and/or damage when their buffs are removed so I don't get why this is a complaint.

    Point 1: Unless it's something like crumbling armor + a passive AI, or armor break on contact/without doing anything like Terrax or Knull (and you shouldn't be bringing IDoom into these match-ups either way), he is pretty reliable. Ghost is useless the moment she gets an armor break on her. Same with Guardian, SC loses his immunities. Why is it a problem that Tech characters are susceptible to being armor broken?

    Point 3: Unless it's BGs you can bring Peni along and the shocks are replaced with incinerates that serve the same function. Again, you don't see people complaining that Ibom loses all his damage against poison immune or that BWDO is bad against shock immune.

    There is always another option, like you said. It's just in infamous IR case there are to many concerns. IBOM still can heal very well with self poison, and still easily can finish fights using his special 2.

    Whereas for IR, even special 2 is conditioned to get the damage out.

    Infamous IR, love the character, so only disappointed. The more you use it, the more you will face uncertainty of him being one of the main stay in your attack or build your team around him. He is niche, not even completely reliable even against mutant class. Forget other match ups. The question is if a character is build only to counter few characters or should have some more to it as well.
    Which mutants is not good against? Bishop aside.
    He can delete Bishop without problem, he can revome prowess so...
    Yes, easy to take bishop out, though for prowess -not in all cases, he was not removing prowess in storm case as it's not 2 or more at a time(why not completely counter prowess).
    Also, not that good against both Mags. Usually it's not just characters, but local and global nodes on top as well. Still haven't fought all mutants yet, but mixed observations.
    He’s metal so you wouldn’t want to take him against either mags in the first place. Same as you wouldn’t want to take a mystic into a fight against torch.
  • OurobørosOurobøros Member Posts: 1,655 ★★★★
    He’s like one of those character that exists just to counter another annoying character. He’s a menace against Bishop and Havok or other prowess champs which are usually mutants, and that’s it. Good at best against Torch and that’s it. Not that good against power gain champs like Hyperion. Or Sorcerer Supreme who has armor break, and can’t even stand Doom himself.

    Doom being a mystic character, made me believe Infamous would have at least some little mystical abilities like Stagger or Nullify, but no.
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 21,964 ★★★★★
    DarknessFalls said:

    Syndicated said:

    Demonzfyre said:

    DarknessFalls said:

    CyborgNinja135 said:

    I think he's great. Really in good for questing, AW, AQ, BGs, and incursions.

    When it comes to points 2 and 4, you can play around stuff like buffet and power snack by letting the node consume the precision from dexterity before the armor comes back. If you're facing a node like tranquility then you wouldn't bring someone that relies on buffs in the first place. In fact, he's not the first champion in the game that loses utility and/or damage when their buffs are removed so I don't get why this is a complaint.

    Point 1: Unless it's something like crumbling armor + a passive AI, or armor break on contact/without doing anything like Terrax or Knull (and you shouldn't be bringing IDoom into these match-ups either way), he is pretty reliable. Ghost is useless the moment she gets an armor break on her. Same with Guardian, SC loses his immunities. Why is it a problem that Tech characters are susceptible to being armor broken?

    Point 3: Unless it's BGs you can bring Peni along and the shocks are replaced with incinerates that serve the same function. Again, you don't see people complaining that Ibom loses all his damage against poison immune or that BWDO is bad against shock immune.

    There is always another option, like you said. It's just in infamous IR case there are to many concerns. IBOM still can heal very well with self poison, and still easily can finish fights using his special 2.

    Whereas for IR, even special 2 is conditioned to get the damage out.

    Infamous IR, love the character, so only disappointed. The more you use it, the more you will face uncertainty of him being one of the main stay in your attack or build your team around him. He is niche, not even completely reliable even against mutant class. Forget other match ups. The question is if a character is build only to counter few characters or should have some more to it as well.
    Which mutants is not good against? Bishop aside.
    He can delete Bishop without problem, he can revome prowess so...
    Yes, easy to take bishop out, though for prowess -not in all cases, he was not removing prowess in storm case as it's not 2 or more at a time(why not completely counter prowess).
    Also, not that good against both Mags. Usually it's not just characters, but local and global nodes on top as well. Still haven't fought all mutants yet, but mixed observations.
    So 2 mutants? Just be upfront and tell people you just don't know how to use him.
  • spigwenderspigwender Member Posts: 473 ★★★
    only argument i feel could be somewhat valid is the fact that armor up return timer is paused whilst inflicted with an armor break. besides that, every champion will have strengths and weaknesses. he is an incredibly powerful champion, but some matches he is hindered. even regular doom has his share of matches he can’t deal with.
  • DarknessFallsDarknessFalls Member Posts: 163 ★★
    Opandemonio said:

    He’s like one of those character that exists just to counter another annoying character. He’s a menace against Bishop and Havok or other prowess champs which are usually mutants, and that’s it. Good at best against Torch and that’s it. Not that good against power gain champs like Hyperion. Or Sorcerer Supreme who has armor break, and can’t even stand Doom himself.

    Doom being a mystic character, made me believe Infamous would have at least some little mystical abilities like Stagger or Nullify, but no.

    So true, Doom is better if you ask me. I mean I don't even get why they gave him cowardice on heavy attack when he can power burn, well not that effectively. Like 40% on cowardice for 5 second makes a difference when you wanna avoid SP3 completely.

    Further when you carry 3 team for quest/war/incursion is he the effective incinerate/shock immunity champ that you can rely on ?
    Cause even that is not certain.
  • DarknessFallsDarknessFalls Member Posts: 163 ★★
    Demonzfyre said:

    DarknessFalls said:

    Syndicated said:

    Demonzfyre said:

    DarknessFalls said:

    CyborgNinja135 said:

    I think he's great. Really in good for questing, AW, AQ, BGs, and incursions.

    When it comes to points 2 and 4, you can play around stuff like buffet and power snack by letting the node consume the precision from dexterity before the armor comes back. If you're facing a node like tranquility then you wouldn't bring someone that relies on buffs in the first place. In fact, he's not the first champion in the game that loses utility and/or damage when their buffs are removed so I don't get why this is a complaint.

    Point 1: Unless it's something like crumbling armor + a passive AI, or armor break on contact/without doing anything like Terrax or Knull (and you shouldn't be bringing IDoom into these match-ups either way), he is pretty reliable. Ghost is useless the moment she gets an armor break on her. Same with Guardian, SC loses his immunities. Why is it a problem that Tech characters are susceptible to being armor broken?

    Point 3: Unless it's BGs you can bring Peni along and the shocks are replaced with incinerates that serve the same function. Again, you don't see people complaining that Ibom loses all his damage against poison immune or that BWDO is bad against shock immune.

    There is always another option, like you said. It's just in infamous IR case there are to many concerns. IBOM still can heal very well with self poison, and still easily can finish fights using his special 2.

    Whereas for IR, even special 2 is conditioned to get the damage out.

    Infamous IR, love the character, so only disappointed. The more you use it, the more you will face uncertainty of him being one of the main stay in your attack or build your team around him. He is niche, not even completely reliable even against mutant class. Forget other match ups. The question is if a character is build only to counter few characters or should have some more to it as well.
    Which mutants is not good against? Bishop aside.
    He can delete Bishop without problem, he can revome prowess so...
    Yes, easy to take bishop out, though for prowess -not in all cases, he was not removing prowess in storm case as it's not 2 or more at a time(why not completely counter prowess).
    Also, not that good against both Mags. Usually it's not just characters, but local and global nodes on top as well. Still haven't fought all mutants yet, but mixed observations.
    So 2 mutants? Just be upfront and tell people you just don't know how to use him.
    Bro I am not here to fight, I am expressing my observation, if in the above point all you saw was 2 mutant, than all I can see is your bias here not a neutral point of view.
  • Bugmat78Bugmat78 Member Posts: 2,376 ★★★★★
    Sachhyam257 said:

    I do love idoom but it's quite annoying that most, if not all, of his utility relies on his armor up buff. It makes him unusable in a variety of nodes and matchups. He's still pretty good though in most other cases, so I'm not too mad about it.

    This is my big issue with him, and why i rarely cary him into AW where there are buffet, armor break etc nodes esp path 9/right side. Almost none of his utility is available when armor broken. It should be a passive that behaves similarly to Nimrod's armor..Nimrod gets armor broken but the armor up is still there and so is all his utility.
  • DarknessFallsDarknessFalls Member Posts: 163 ★★
    spigwender said:

    only argument i feel could be somewhat valid is the fact that armor up return timer is paused whilst inflicted with an armor break. besides that, every champion will have strengths and weaknesses. he is an incredibly powerful champion, but some matches he is hindered. even regular doom has his share of matches he can’t deal with.

    Agree with armour observation, but specifically, without armour, what is even left in his ability ?

    I would take regular doom over him any day. He is more effective, he is not even match for regular doom.
  • CyborgNinja135CyborgNinja135 Member Posts: 1,118 ★★★★
    DarknessFalls said:

    Opandemonio said:

    He’s like one of those character that exists just to counter another annoying character. He’s a menace against Bishop and Havok or other prowess champs which are usually mutants, and that’s it. Good at best against Torch and that’s it. Not that good against power gain champs like Hyperion. Or Sorcerer Supreme who has armor break, and can’t even stand Doom himself.

    Doom being a mystic character, made me believe Infamous would have at least some little mystical abilities like Stagger or Nullify, but no.

    So true, Doom is better if you ask me. I mean I don't even get why they gave him cowardice on heavy attack when he can power burn, well not that effectively. Like 40% on cowardice for 5 second makes a difference when you wanna avoid SP3 completely.

    Further when you carry 3 team for quest/war/incursion is he the effective incinerate/shock immunity champ that you can rely on ?
    Cause even that is not certain.
    The cowardice is not there to tank sp3s. It's there to shut down Kitty. As for the power control, people are forgetting that he also has a specific cycle, just like the OG Doom, if you want to control a fight. You use the cycle properly and the opponent is special locked for the entirety of the fight. That's some pretty good power control if you ask me.
  • Sachhyam257Sachhyam257 Member Posts: 1,198 ★★★★
    Pikolu said:

    Sachhyam257 said:

    I do love idoom but it's quite annoying that most, if not all, of his utility relies on his armor up buff. It makes him unusable in a variety of nodes and matchups. He's still pretty good though in most other cases, so I'm not too mad about it.

    The good part about him relying on the armor up is removing it makes him an easier defender. With defenders like Zemo entering the game, I'll take champions that aren't awful to fight on defense.
    Yea that is fair. But I do wish that the armor was nullify immune in some capacity. It being armor broken is in line with the class relationship, but it being nullified just gives him another weakness. Maybe an armor passive that is susceptible to armor break but not to nullify. That would make him usable in nodes like pilfer, tranquility, etc.
  • Sachhyam257Sachhyam257 Member Posts: 1,198 ★★★★
    Bugmat78 said:

    Sachhyam257 said:

    I do love idoom but it's quite annoying that most, if not all, of his utility relies on his armor up buff. It makes him unusable in a variety of nodes and matchups. He's still pretty good though in most other cases, so I'm not too mad about it.

    This is my big issue with him, and why i rarely cary him into AW where there are buffet, armor break etc nodes esp path 9/right side. Almost none of his utility is available when armor broken. It should be a passive that behaves similarly to Nimrod's armor..Nimrod gets armor broken but the armor up is still there and so is all his utility.
    U can technically use him in buffet. His armor does get buffeted when the fight starts, but it will reappear after 12 secs. Buffet on the other hand resets after 7 secs. So u can dex an attack after buffet resets which will nullify the dex buff and buffet go into cooldown for another 7 secs. Ur armor up should be back within this second buffet cooldown period, and it should stick for the entire fight from then on.

    Impractical but it might come in handy if u ever need it lol.
  • DarknessFallsDarknessFalls Member Posts: 163 ★★
    Just to provide context to why he cannot be a good defender.

    In Mcoc, we have around 80+ armour break champions.

    And 30+ nullify champions.

    Futher all you can hope is they don't release a armour break relic, else one whole class can counter him completely, cause he is completely dependent on armour for all abilities. Sigh.
  • BulmktBulmkt Member Posts: 1,637 ★★★★
    Just understand his damage rotation.
    Short fight, nearly get to his SP2 and just prior apply his heavy strike and then go into the special for an unblockable SP2

    longer fights. Get to his sp3. Do the same apply his shock from heavy (make hit 1 ‘the slap’ connect) then action his SP3

    Both champs (attacker & defender get a power gain buff) use your striker and get the SP1 and bingo your opponent is basically power locked - spam SP2. Opponent Ko”d
  • BigBlueOxBigBlueOx Member Posts: 2,287 ★★★★★
    DarknessFalls said:

    Like I told flashes of brilliance. But today had to fight a human touch in Alliance quest, only characters with incinerate immunity. Had local node removes buffs on attackers and heals defenders. Literally unplayable. I mean maybe, you can work around armour break, nullify in some cases still use skill but I was helpless here. I mean why the immunity had to be armour dependent.

    Just very unreliable overall. Though I understand your point. I want it to work in my main team, really like the design and attack animations, still trying and testing. :(

    Wait you used an energy damage dealing champ against HT and your take away is the champ was underwhelming?

    I hope why you see this is a bit silly
  • DarknessFallsDarknessFalls Member Posts: 163 ★★
    BigBlueOx said:

    DarknessFalls said:

    Like I told flashes of brilliance. But today had to fight a human touch in Alliance quest, only characters with incinerate immunity. Had local node removes buffs on attackers and heals defenders. Literally unplayable. I mean maybe, you can work around armour break, nullify in some cases still use skill but I was helpless here. I mean why the immunity had to be armour dependent.

    Just very unreliable overall. Though I understand your point. I want it to work in my main team, really like the design and attack animations, still trying and testing. :(

    Wait you used an energy damage dealing champ against HT and your take away is the champ was underwhelming?

    I hope why you see this is a bit silly
    Bro, that was not the point, it was more about losing one incinerate immunity champion you got on you for quest based on a node cause it's not passive.

    Why is everything amour dependent is the question. Either take his defense or offense, not everything.

    Would be more viable if it had versatility. Anyways I see more disagreement and I respect that opinion, but I am sure many feel same as meas well, wouldn't be top champ to rank up if you have alternative in team as it's has specific usage and counter.
  • SirGamesBondSirGamesBond Member Posts: 5,059 ★★★★★
    I can't understand him.
    I have him Sig 200 r4(prestige move)
    So I do want to learn him and bring him more, But Im not doing too good. I'm missing a lot of things... I'm a complete nub..smh
  • BulmktBulmkt Member Posts: 1,637 ★★★★
    Excellent how to use iDoom video here

    https://youtu.be/DGbpYVLsnBE
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