Post-Update Discussion re: Apothecary/Consumable Economy

Dshu

Jefechuta said:

Dshu said:

Jefechuta said:

Dshu said:

Jefechuta said:

GroundedWisdom said:

People actually think that's a threat, but it's a fact. Not a threat.

I think a lot of people have a problem with the "Trivalize content" part.

I think Kabam like a lot of companies, has a budget for each Content departament, not for the game itself.

So BG has X budget.
Story Content has X budget
Everest Content has X budget
Etc

And that budget must cover what they already said: Players have to spend X resources in X amount of time.

That would be the objective, so if they dont reach their objectives, then they would eliminate that budget, and they would use it on different content that reaches its objectives, or they could even remove it and give it to other games or projects they would have.

Thats what happens in a company I work for, they have several departments inside the same project.

So if a department doesnt reach his objectives (Everest content and story content in this case). That department would get its budget removed or displaced to other department that reaches those objectives.

So MCOC could become just a PVP based game if they kepts revive farming per example.

Thats what I understand from what they say

If that is what they are saying then netmarble must be willing to lose a massive amount of revenue. If this game goes completely pvp in its current state the revenue from those game will optimistically drop 80%. Pvp fighting games have a lifespan of 6months to a year. Add in the bugs currently in game and modders receiving the harsh penalty of a 7 day ban and you can watch this game disappear in 4 months without new content dropping. Pvp is great but it's a time filler between new content that re-engages the playerbase in this game. If they were to abandon story content like act 8 or Everest content they would be signing the death certificate of mcoc.
As I said in a previous post if they want to make changes to the economy of the game they first need to address the issues plaguing the game to build some good will with the playerbase. Fix the bugs and really clean up the modders and bots then feel free to remove farming. Your need to farm will be drastically reduced if you provide a better game experience.

It isnt that easy, companies dont really care that much about that kind of things, a lot of them act like "We want this, we give you this budget to acomplish that" what you do to acomplish that is Kabams job, NetMarble is going to just look at numbers and data, so Kabam knows that this content is important for the game, so they have to make changes like this so they dont lose that budget because they know MCOC wont last as PVP game, and finally all the budget will get removed.

That is going to be the case if they work as that, maybe they have a different modus operandi but, I would understand if they worked like this.

I'm referring to the the threat of not making content like story or Everest content. Yes the people at netmarble are probably not going to be happy to not make the money they predicted off the content. At the same time they will be less happy to have a game crash and lose all revenue because the playerbase abandons it for a shiny new game with more engaging content.

Thats not a threat at all, it is an explanation of how it works, and it seems to work like I said.

NetMarble would think "Okay this game is not worth anymore, next one"

You may want to look at what percentage of netmarble's revenue comes from this game. They may be willing to scrap the game over something as stupid as this but I wouldn't want to be the one answering to their board when the quarterly figures come out..

Sha1emade

Sorry. This is just….bad. They moved the goal post a tiny bit after this massively disappointing news. They make content that requires massive numbers of revives. They take those away. Just awful. I can’t believe anyone is ok with this. Kills free to play and forces those that spend to now spend on this type of content instead of crystals they they usually do. Just awful.

Mr_Platypus

Jefechuta said:

Dshu said:

Jefechuta said:

Dshu said:

Jefechuta said:

GroundedWisdom said:

People actually think that's a threat, but it's a fact. Not a threat.

I think a lot of people have a problem with the "Trivalize content" part.

I think Kabam like a lot of companies, has a budget for each Content departament, not for the game itself.

So BG has X budget.
Story Content has X budget
Everest Content has X budget
Etc

And that budget must cover what they already said: Players have to spend X resources in X amount of time.

That would be the objective, so if they dont reach their objectives, then they would eliminate that budget, and they would use it on different content that reaches its objectives, or they could even remove it and give it to other games or projects they would have.

Thats what happens in a company I work for, they have several departments inside the same project.

So if a department doesnt reach his objectives (Everest content and story content in this case). That department would get its budget removed or displaced to other department that reaches those objectives.

So MCOC could become just a PVP based game if they kepts revive farming per example.

Thats what I understand from what they say

If that is what they are saying then netmarble must be willing to lose a massive amount of revenue. If this game goes completely pvp in its current state the revenue from those game will optimistically drop 80%. Pvp fighting games have a lifespan of 6months to a year. Add in the bugs currently in game and modders receiving the harsh penalty of a 7 day ban and you can watch this game disappear in 4 months without new content dropping. Pvp is great but it's a time filler between new content that re-engages the playerbase in this game. If they were to abandon story content like act 8 or Everest content they would be signing the death certificate of mcoc.
As I said in a previous post if they want to make changes to the economy of the game they first need to address the issues plaguing the game to build some good will with the playerbase. Fix the bugs and really clean up the modders and bots then feel free to remove farming. Your need to farm will be drastically reduced if you provide a better game experience.

It isnt that easy, companies dont really care that much about that kind of things, a lot of them act like "We want this, we give you this budget to acomplish that" what you do to acomplish that is Kabams job, NetMarble is going to just look at numbers and data, so Kabam knows that this content is important for the game, so they have to make changes like this so they dont lose that budget because they know MCOC wont last as PVP game, and finally all the budget will get removed.

That is going to be the case if they work as that, maybe they have a different modus operandi but, I would understand if they worked like this.

I'm referring to the the threat of not making content like story or Everest content. Yes the people at netmarble are probably not going to be happy to not make the money they predicted off the content. At the same time they will be less happy to have a game crash and lose all revenue because the playerbase abandons it for a shiny new game with more engaging content.

Thats not a threat at all, it is an explanation of how it works, and it seems to work like I said.

NetMarble would think "Okay this game is not worth anymore, next one"

I guess my issue with that comment of theirs is that I’ve not seen anything to say this game in particular is struggling. As a whole, Netmarble appears to be but also this game still accounts for most of the revenue (based on some article about end of 2022 losses).

Jefechuta

Yeah but if they see that their profit doesnt come really from X content but from other soureces, they will stop doing that content, since it takes a lot of time and money to do

GroundedWisdom

It's really deeper than that. Having a supply of Revs like that means any content they release is really just inconsequential. That's dangerous beyond the money associated with Rev sales.

Mr_Platypus

Jefechuta said:

Yeah but if they see that their profit doesnt come really from X content but from other soureces, they will stop doing that content, since it takes a lot of time and money to do

I agree, though I think that would be an incredibly short sighted decision.

If I saw that a game I play and spend regularly on was ending development of story and whale content, my first assumption would be that they’re scaling back ready to end support of the game, therefore I’d have even less of a reason to buy offers/pay for revives.

BigBlueOx

Jefechuta said:

BigBlueOx said:

Jefechuta said:

Kabam was comprehensive and made changes so the nerf is not that huge, now is time for the players to be comprehensive and understand that more than this is more than needed.

No, they promised to make changes after they get their way. Hard to trust a company that had to be persuaded to get tough on cheaters, still hasn’t done anything to account for player fist due inputs, and still haven’t delivered in things like “help all” and “wish crystals”.

It’s not a compromise unless they delay the changes to be implemented with the pro-player changes.

Also vague promises to look at the potion economy isn’t enough. More detail is needed to give us an idea about why this might take 6 months?

Are they going to slightly increase potions spawning in end game areas? Are they going to just address values? It’s just a vague, “we heard you and agree, it’s been neglected”

Increasing cap to 20 and making 22H Revives to Lvl 2 is pretty decent change from where we were, and its enough to do the content, and you will have to use less pots if you use lvl 2 revives.

Asking for more when they explained everything pretty well I think is too greedy.

Wish Crystals are worse than actual Dual crystals since you can target champs more specifically, they already explained it.

And I think they dont have to explain anything else, why it takes 6 months? Becuase it takes 6 months. The end.

They have more things to care about right now, so It will take more time than it can because they are not investing all their resources into that.

The fact that they dont delay that its because it is necessary for them to remove revive farming now.

Players complain too much for everything, looks like everybody prefers content to not be released instead of getting revive farming reworked.

I didn’t state that it wasn’t fair. I said their timeline is not a compromise, because it isn’t. They took 9 days to come back and basically say “too bad soo sad we are doing this when we want”. But then said here’s some carrots if you guys stick around like good little lambs because we promise that pro player changes are coming.

My premise is that’s bull ****. And they wasted 9 days where this change could have been put on pause or delayed until the other elements were ready as well. That simple

Jefechuta

BigBlueOx said:

Jefechuta said:

BigBlueOx said:

Jefechuta said:

Kabam was comprehensive and made changes so the nerf is not that huge, now is time for the players to be comprehensive and understand that more than this is more than needed.

No, they promised to make changes after they get their way. Hard to trust a company that had to be persuaded to get tough on cheaters, still hasn’t done anything to account for player fist due inputs, and still haven’t delivered in things like “help all” and “wish crystals”.

It’s not a compromise unless they delay the changes to be implemented with the pro-player changes.

Also vague promises to look at the potion economy isn’t enough. More detail is needed to give us an idea about why this might take 6 months?

Are they going to slightly increase potions spawning in end game areas? Are they going to just address values? It’s just a vague, “we heard you and agree, it’s been neglected”

Increasing cap to 20 and making 22H Revives to Lvl 2 is pretty decent change from where we were, and its enough to do the content, and you will have to use less pots if you use lvl 2 revives.

Asking for more when they explained everything pretty well I think is too greedy.

Wish Crystals are worse than actual Dual crystals since you can target champs more specifically, they already explained it.

And I think they dont have to explain anything else, why it takes 6 months? Becuase it takes 6 months. The end.

They have more things to care about right now, so It will take more time than it can because they are not investing all their resources into that.

The fact that they dont delay that its because it is necessary for them to remove revive farming now.

Players complain too much for everything, looks like everybody prefers content to not be released instead of getting revive farming reworked.

I didn’t state that it wasn’t fair. I said their timeline is not a compromise, because it isn’t. They took 9 days to come back and basically say “too bad soo sad we are doing this when we want”. But then said here’s some carrots if you guys stick around like good little lambs because we promise that pro player changes are coming.

My premise is that’s bull ****. And they wasted 9 days where this change could have been put on pause or delayed until the other elements were ready as well. That simple

Yeah but this change was going to be implemented, no matter what, because it was needed for their dev projects, I think that we are going to have this new changes they announced is enough, it could be better? yeah, but now is when we have to be comprehensive aswell

BigBlueOx

Jefechuta said:

BigBlueOx said:

Jefechuta said:

BigBlueOx said:

Jefechuta said:

Kabam was comprehensive and made changes so the nerf is not that huge, now is time for the players to be comprehensive and understand that more than this is more than needed.

No, they promised to make changes after they get their way. Hard to trust a company that had to be persuaded to get tough on cheaters, still hasn’t done anything to account for player fist due inputs, and still haven’t delivered in things like “help all” and “wish crystals”.

It’s not a compromise unless they delay the changes to be implemented with the pro-player changes.

Also vague promises to look at the potion economy isn’t enough. More detail is needed to give us an idea about why this might take 6 months?

Are they going to slightly increase potions spawning in end game areas? Are they going to just address values? It’s just a vague, “we heard you and agree, it’s been neglected”

Increasing cap to 20 and making 22H Revives to Lvl 2 is pretty decent change from where we were, and its enough to do the content, and you will have to use less pots if you use lvl 2 revives.

Asking for more when they explained everything pretty well I think is too greedy.

Wish Crystals are worse than actual Dual crystals since you can target champs more specifically, they already explained it.

And I think they dont have to explain anything else, why it takes 6 months? Becuase it takes 6 months. The end.

They have more things to care about right now, so It will take more time than it can because they are not investing all their resources into that.

The fact that they dont delay that its because it is necessary for them to remove revive farming now.

Players complain too much for everything, looks like everybody prefers content to not be released instead of getting revive farming reworked.

I didn’t state that it wasn’t fair. I said their timeline is not a compromise, because it isn’t. They took 9 days to come back and basically say “too bad soo sad we are doing this when we want”. But then said here’s some carrots if you guys stick around like good little lambs because we promise that pro player changes are coming.

My premise is that’s bull ****. And they wasted 9 days where this change could have been put on pause or delayed until the other elements were ready as well. That simple

Yeah but this change was going to be implemented, no matter what, because it was needed for their dev projects, I think that we are going to have this new changes they announced is enough, it could be better? yeah, but now is when we have to be comprehensive aswell

I think this change without the others at the same time is nonsense. They coulda delayed this a month. It wouldn’t have broken anything more than 8.1 and EoP, so the content argument holds 0 water as to why this has to happen first. They decided not too and too delay any communication so they could be like, “oops did I do that”. It’s lame, irmta disingenuous and it’s the track record they’ve cemented with this move.

G_S_H

Main thing with this that I have a problem with is that its just another boooorrrrring and mindless thing to do in the game, seems like all the ways to get revives or units are so sleeper to play. I have an idea that Ill make a post on for an new mode that would actually be so much better

Jefechuta

BigBlueOx said:

Jefechuta said:

BigBlueOx said:

Jefechuta said:

BigBlueOx said:

Jefechuta said:

Kabam was comprehensive and made changes so the nerf is not that huge, now is time for the players to be comprehensive and understand that more than this is more than needed.

No, they promised to make changes after they get their way. Hard to trust a company that had to be persuaded to get tough on cheaters, still hasn’t done anything to account for player fist due inputs, and still haven’t delivered in things like “help all” and “wish crystals”.

It’s not a compromise unless they delay the changes to be implemented with the pro-player changes.

Also vague promises to look at the potion economy isn’t enough. More detail is needed to give us an idea about why this might take 6 months?

Are they going to slightly increase potions spawning in end game areas? Are they going to just address values? It’s just a vague, “we heard you and agree, it’s been neglected”

Increasing cap to 20 and making 22H Revives to Lvl 2 is pretty decent change from where we were, and its enough to do the content, and you will have to use less pots if you use lvl 2 revives.

Asking for more when they explained everything pretty well I think is too greedy.

Wish Crystals are worse than actual Dual crystals since you can target champs more specifically, they already explained it.

And I think they dont have to explain anything else, why it takes 6 months? Becuase it takes 6 months. The end.

They have more things to care about right now, so It will take more time than it can because they are not investing all their resources into that.

The fact that they dont delay that its because it is necessary for them to remove revive farming now.

Players complain too much for everything, looks like everybody prefers content to not be released instead of getting revive farming reworked.

I didn’t state that it wasn’t fair. I said their timeline is not a compromise, because it isn’t. They took 9 days to come back and basically say “too bad soo sad we are doing this when we want”. But then said here’s some carrots if you guys stick around like good little lambs because we promise that pro player changes are coming.

My premise is that’s bull ****. And they wasted 9 days where this change could have been put on pause or delayed until the other elements were ready as well. That simple

Yeah but this change was going to be implemented, no matter what, because it was needed for their dev projects, I think that we are going to have this new changes they announced is enough, it could be better? yeah, but now is when we have to be comprehensive aswell

I think this change without the others at the same time is nonsense. They coulda delayed this a month. It wouldn’t have broken anything more than 8.1 and EoP, so the content argument holds 0 water as to why this has to happen first. They decided not too and too delay any communication so they could be like, “oops did I do that”. It’s lame, irmta disingenuous and it’s the track record they’ve cemented with this move.

They are going to include 8.2 later this month, I guess they didnt want people to go through 8.2 revive farming aswell, and It was easier to delay this New changes than delaying both 8.2 and Revive Farming changes, I think this is the main reason

Mackey

Jefechuta said:

BigBlueOx said:

Jefechuta said:

BigBlueOx said:

Jefechuta said:

Kabam was comprehensive and made changes so the nerf is not that huge, now is time for the players to be comprehensive and understand that more than this is more than needed.

No, they promised to make changes after they get their way. Hard to trust a company that had to be persuaded to get tough on cheaters, still hasn’t done anything to account for player fist due inputs, and still haven’t delivered in things like “help all” and “wish crystals”.

It’s not a compromise unless they delay the changes to be implemented with the pro-player changes.

Also vague promises to look at the potion economy isn’t enough. More detail is needed to give us an idea about why this might take 6 months?

Are they going to slightly increase potions spawning in end game areas? Are they going to just address values? It’s just a vague, “we heard you and agree, it’s been neglected”

Increasing cap to 20 and making 22H Revives to Lvl 2 is pretty decent change from where we were, and its enough to do the content, and you will have to use less pots if you use lvl 2 revives.

Asking for more when they explained everything pretty well I think is too greedy.

Wish Crystals are worse than actual Dual crystals since you can target champs more specifically, they already explained it.

And I think they dont have to explain anything else, why it takes 6 months? Becuase it takes 6 months. The end.

They have more things to care about right now, so It will take more time than it can because they are not investing all their resources into that.

The fact that they dont delay that its because it is necessary for them to remove revive farming now.

Players complain too much for everything, looks like everybody prefers content to not be released instead of getting revive farming reworked.

I didn’t state that it wasn’t fair. I said their timeline is not a compromise, because it isn’t. They took 9 days to come back and basically say “too bad soo sad we are doing this when we want”. But then said here’s some carrots if you guys stick around like good little lambs because we promise that pro player changes are coming.

My premise is that’s bull ****. And they wasted 9 days where this change could have been put on pause or delayed until the other elements were ready as well. That simple

Yeah but this change was going to be implemented, no matter what, because it was needed for their dev projects, I think that we are going to have this new changes they announced is enough, it could be better? yeah, but now is when we have to be comprehensive aswell

If you truly believe it could be better then why are you rolling over? At the end of the day this company needs us more than we need them. If everyone who thinks "it could be better but it's better than nothing so we will accept" sticks with that then it's a win for kabam and nothing else will change. If you still aren't happy then say so this game cannot operate without us the players, we don't need them. Rather infuriating that people are rolling over despite it being a negligible increase from the original nerf

BigBlueOx

Jefechuta said:

BigBlueOx said:

Jefechuta said:

BigBlueOx said:

Jefechuta said:

BigBlueOx said:

Jefechuta said:

Kabam was comprehensive and made changes so the nerf is not that huge, now is time for the players to be comprehensive and understand that more than this is more than needed.

No, they promised to make changes after they get their way. Hard to trust a company that had to be persuaded to get tough on cheaters, still hasn’t done anything to account for player fist due inputs, and still haven’t delivered in things like “help all” and “wish crystals”.

It’s not a compromise unless they delay the changes to be implemented with the pro-player changes.

Also vague promises to look at the potion economy isn’t enough. More detail is needed to give us an idea about why this might take 6 months?

Are they going to slightly increase potions spawning in end game areas? Are they going to just address values? It’s just a vague, “we heard you and agree, it’s been neglected”

Increasing cap to 20 and making 22H Revives to Lvl 2 is pretty decent change from where we were, and its enough to do the content, and you will have to use less pots if you use lvl 2 revives.

Asking for more when they explained everything pretty well I think is too greedy.

Wish Crystals are worse than actual Dual crystals since you can target champs more specifically, they already explained it.

And I think they dont have to explain anything else, why it takes 6 months? Becuase it takes 6 months. The end.

They have more things to care about right now, so It will take more time than it can because they are not investing all their resources into that.

The fact that they dont delay that its because it is necessary for them to remove revive farming now.

Players complain too much for everything, looks like everybody prefers content to not be released instead of getting revive farming reworked.

I didn’t state that it wasn’t fair. I said their timeline is not a compromise, because it isn’t. They took 9 days to come back and basically say “too bad soo sad we are doing this when we want”. But then said here’s some carrots if you guys stick around like good little lambs because we promise that pro player changes are coming.

My premise is that’s bull ****. And they wasted 9 days where this change could have been put on pause or delayed until the other elements were ready as well. That simple

Yeah but this change was going to be implemented, no matter what, because it was needed for their dev projects, I think that we are going to have this new changes they announced is enough, it could be better? yeah, but now is when we have to be comprehensive aswell

I think this change without the others at the same time is nonsense. They coulda delayed this a month. It wouldn’t have broken anything more than 8.1 and EoP, so the content argument holds 0 water as to why this has to happen first. They decided not too and too delay any communication so they could be like, “oops did I do that”. It’s lame, irmta disingenuous and it’s the track record they’ve cemented with this move.

They are going to include 8.2 later this month, I guess they didnt want people to go through 8.2 revive farming aswell, and It was easier to delay this New changes than delaying both 8.2 and Revive Farming changes, I think this is the main reason

That’s a poor reason, and we should tell them so. Again they put out EoP with a choice node… and the revive farm open. Can’t get worse than that.

Jefechuta

Mackey said:

Jefechuta said:

BigBlueOx said:

Jefechuta said:

BigBlueOx said:

Jefechuta said:

Kabam was comprehensive and made changes so the nerf is not that huge, now is time for the players to be comprehensive and understand that more than this is more than needed.

No, they promised to make changes after they get their way. Hard to trust a company that had to be persuaded to get tough on cheaters, still hasn’t done anything to account for player fist due inputs, and still haven’t delivered in things like “help all” and “wish crystals”.

It’s not a compromise unless they delay the changes to be implemented with the pro-player changes.

Also vague promises to look at the potion economy isn’t enough. More detail is needed to give us an idea about why this might take 6 months?

Are they going to slightly increase potions spawning in end game areas? Are they going to just address values? It’s just a vague, “we heard you and agree, it’s been neglected”

Increasing cap to 20 and making 22H Revives to Lvl 2 is pretty decent change from where we were, and its enough to do the content, and you will have to use less pots if you use lvl 2 revives.

Asking for more when they explained everything pretty well I think is too greedy.

Wish Crystals are worse than actual Dual crystals since you can target champs more specifically, they already explained it.

And I think they dont have to explain anything else, why it takes 6 months? Becuase it takes 6 months. The end.

They have more things to care about right now, so It will take more time than it can because they are not investing all their resources into that.

The fact that they dont delay that its because it is necessary for them to remove revive farming now.

Players complain too much for everything, looks like everybody prefers content to not be released instead of getting revive farming reworked.

I didn’t state that it wasn’t fair. I said their timeline is not a compromise, because it isn’t. They took 9 days to come back and basically say “too bad soo sad we are doing this when we want”. But then said here’s some carrots if you guys stick around like good little lambs because we promise that pro player changes are coming.

My premise is that’s bull ****. And they wasted 9 days where this change could have been put on pause or delayed until the other elements were ready as well. That simple

Yeah but this change was going to be implemented, no matter what, because it was needed for their dev projects, I think that we are going to have this new changes they announced is enough, it could be better? yeah, but now is when we have to be comprehensive aswell

If you truly believe it could be better then why are you rolling over? At the end of the day this company needs us more than we need them. If everyone who thinks "it could be better but it's better than nothing so we will accept" sticks with that then it's a win for kabam and nothing else will change. If you still aren't happy then say so this game cannot operate without us the players, we don't need them. Rather infuriating that people are rolling over despite it being a negligible increase from the original nerf

Because I prefer to keep playing the game, if they do what its good for us but not for the game, the game will be closed in less than a year

KDoggg2017

My very supportive wallet no longer approves. Access to revives is what made 2 years of input issues tolerable.

GroundedWisdom

I honestly don't know how people keep coming back with the money narrative when it's already been explained. It just goes to show that some people just have their minds made up no matter what they say.

Mackey

Jefechuta said:

Mackey said:

Jefechuta said:

BigBlueOx said:

Jefechuta said:

BigBlueOx said:

Jefechuta said:

Kabam was comprehensive and made changes so the nerf is not that huge, now is time for the players to be comprehensive and understand that more than this is more than needed.

No, they promised to make changes after they get their way. Hard to trust a company that had to be persuaded to get tough on cheaters, still hasn’t done anything to account for player fist due inputs, and still haven’t delivered in things like “help all” and “wish crystals”.

It’s not a compromise unless they delay the changes to be implemented with the pro-player changes.

Also vague promises to look at the potion economy isn’t enough. More detail is needed to give us an idea about why this might take 6 months?

Are they going to slightly increase potions spawning in end game areas? Are they going to just address values? It’s just a vague, “we heard you and agree, it’s been neglected”

Increasing cap to 20 and making 22H Revives to Lvl 2 is pretty decent change from where we were, and its enough to do the content, and you will have to use less pots if you use lvl 2 revives.

Asking for more when they explained everything pretty well I think is too greedy.

Wish Crystals are worse than actual Dual crystals since you can target champs more specifically, they already explained it.

And I think they dont have to explain anything else, why it takes 6 months? Becuase it takes 6 months. The end.

They have more things to care about right now, so It will take more time than it can because they are not investing all their resources into that.

The fact that they dont delay that its because it is necessary for them to remove revive farming now.

Players complain too much for everything, looks like everybody prefers content to not be released instead of getting revive farming reworked.

I didn’t state that it wasn’t fair. I said their timeline is not a compromise, because it isn’t. They took 9 days to come back and basically say “too bad soo sad we are doing this when we want”. But then said here’s some carrots if you guys stick around like good little lambs because we promise that pro player changes are coming.

My premise is that’s bull ****. And they wasted 9 days where this change could have been put on pause or delayed until the other elements were ready as well. That simple

Yeah but this change was going to be implemented, no matter what, because it was needed for their dev projects, I think that we are going to have this new changes they announced is enough, it could be better? yeah, but now is when we have to be comprehensive aswell

If you truly believe it could be better then why are you rolling over? At the end of the day this company needs us more than we need them. If everyone who thinks "it could be better but it's better than nothing so we will accept" sticks with that then it's a win for kabam and nothing else will change. If you still aren't happy then say so this game cannot operate without us the players, we don't need them. Rather infuriating that people are rolling over despite it being a negligible increase from the original nerf

Because I prefer to keep playing the game, if they do what its good for us but not for the game, the game will be closed in less than a year

So if you said it could be better would it be fair to also say its not good enough? For you, the player

AverageDesi

GroundedWisdom said:

I honestly don't know how people keep coming back with the money narrative when it's already been explained. It just goes to show that some people just have their minds made up no matter what they say.

Fr. It's like players are just now realizing that spenders had access to potentially infinite resources.

Jefechuta

Mackey said:

Jefechuta said:

Mackey said:

Jefechuta said:

BigBlueOx said:

Jefechuta said:

BigBlueOx said:

Jefechuta said:

Kabam was comprehensive and made changes so the nerf is not that huge, now is time for the players to be comprehensive and understand that more than this is more than needed.

No, they promised to make changes after they get their way. Hard to trust a company that had to be persuaded to get tough on cheaters, still hasn’t done anything to account for player fist due inputs, and still haven’t delivered in things like “help all” and “wish crystals”.

It’s not a compromise unless they delay the changes to be implemented with the pro-player changes.

Also vague promises to look at the potion economy isn’t enough. More detail is needed to give us an idea about why this might take 6 months?

Are they going to slightly increase potions spawning in end game areas? Are they going to just address values? It’s just a vague, “we heard you and agree, it’s been neglected”

Increasing cap to 20 and making 22H Revives to Lvl 2 is pretty decent change from where we were, and its enough to do the content, and you will have to use less pots if you use lvl 2 revives.

Asking for more when they explained everything pretty well I think is too greedy.

Wish Crystals are worse than actual Dual crystals since you can target champs more specifically, they already explained it.

And I think they dont have to explain anything else, why it takes 6 months? Becuase it takes 6 months. The end.

They have more things to care about right now, so It will take more time than it can because they are not investing all their resources into that.

The fact that they dont delay that its because it is necessary for them to remove revive farming now.

Players complain too much for everything, looks like everybody prefers content to not be released instead of getting revive farming reworked.

I didn’t state that it wasn’t fair. I said their timeline is not a compromise, because it isn’t. They took 9 days to come back and basically say “too bad soo sad we are doing this when we want”. But then said here’s some carrots if you guys stick around like good little lambs because we promise that pro player changes are coming.

My premise is that’s bull ****. And they wasted 9 days where this change could have been put on pause or delayed until the other elements were ready as well. That simple

Yeah but this change was going to be implemented, no matter what, because it was needed for their dev projects, I think that we are going to have this new changes they announced is enough, it could be better? yeah, but now is when we have to be comprehensive aswell

If you truly believe it could be better then why are you rolling over? At the end of the day this company needs us more than we need them. If everyone who thinks "it could be better but it's better than nothing so we will accept" sticks with that then it's a win for kabam and nothing else will change. If you still aren't happy then say so this game cannot operate without us the players, we don't need them. Rather infuriating that people are rolling over despite it being a negligible increase from the original nerf

Because I prefer to keep playing the game, if they do what its good for us but not for the game, the game will be closed in less than a year

So if you said it could be better would it be fair to also say its not good enough? For you, the player

If making it better for us would make it worse for the game overall, I prefer what they bring instead of what we could want

GroundedWisdom

DerpyEagle said:

Hilarious how they set the apothecary at 5 days originally just to add 2 more later on and consider it generous. Also love how they used Jax to deliver the message thinking it would fall easier on us. This company is a joke and the quote “summoners simply spam revives” is a very unprofessional statement.

That's 8 more Revs a month, plus an upgrade to the Solo Events from L1 to L2, plus an increase in Inventory. It's an improvement when you look at the whole picture.
No matter what they proposed, it wasn't going to look like 50 a day.

DerpyEagle

GroundedWisdom said:

DerpyEagle said:

Hilarious how they set the apothecary at 5 days originally just to add 2 more later on and consider it generous. Also love how they used Jax to deliver the message thinking it would fall easier on us. This company is a joke and the quote “summoners simply spam revives” is a very unprofessional statement.

That's 8 more Revs a month, plus an upgrade to the Solo Events from L1 to L2, plus an increase in Inventory. It's an improvement when you look at the whole picture.
No matter what they proposed, it wasn't going to look like 50 a day.

I made 12 since I posted this so +8 a month isn’t appealing to me

GroundedWisdom

DerpyEagle said:

GroundedWisdom said:

DerpyEagle said:

Hilarious how they set the apothecary at 5 days originally just to add 2 more later on and consider it generous. Also love how they used Jax to deliver the message thinking it would fall easier on us. This company is a joke and the quote “summoners simply spam revives” is a very unprofessional statement.

That's 8 more Revs a month, plus an upgrade to the Solo Events from L1 to L2, plus an increase in Inventory. It's an improvement when you look at the whole picture.
No matter what they proposed, it wasn't going to look like 50 a day.

I made 12 since I posted this so +8 a month isn’t appealing to me

That's precisely my point. You're not supposed to have a number that high in such a short amount of time. The expectation has been raised unreasonably.

VestasCure

Jefechuta said:

Mackey said:

Jefechuta said:

Mackey said:

Jefechuta said:

BigBlueOx said:

Jefechuta said:

BigBlueOx said:

Jefechuta said:

Kabam was comprehensive and made changes so the nerf is not that huge, now is time for the players to be comprehensive and understand that more than this is more than needed.

No, they promised to make changes after they get their way. Hard to trust a company that had to be persuaded to get tough on cheaters, still hasn’t done anything to account for player fist due inputs, and still haven’t delivered in things like “help all” and “wish crystals”.

It’s not a compromise unless they delay the changes to be implemented with the pro-player changes.

Also vague promises to look at the potion economy isn’t enough. More detail is needed to give us an idea about why this might take 6 months?

Are they going to slightly increase potions spawning in end game areas? Are they going to just address values? It’s just a vague, “we heard you and agree, it’s been neglected”

Increasing cap to 20 and making 22H Revives to Lvl 2 is pretty decent change from where we were, and its enough to do the content, and you will have to use less pots if you use lvl 2 revives.

Asking for more when they explained everything pretty well I think is too greedy.

Wish Crystals are worse than actual Dual crystals since you can target champs more specifically, they already explained it.

And I think they dont have to explain anything else, why it takes 6 months? Becuase it takes 6 months. The end.

They have more things to care about right now, so It will take more time than it can because they are not investing all their resources into that.

The fact that they dont delay that its because it is necessary for them to remove revive farming now.

Players complain too much for everything, looks like everybody prefers content to not be released instead of getting revive farming reworked.

I didn’t state that it wasn’t fair. I said their timeline is not a compromise, because it isn’t. They took 9 days to come back and basically say “too bad soo sad we are doing this when we want”. But then said here’s some carrots if you guys stick around like good little lambs because we promise that pro player changes are coming.

My premise is that’s bull ****. And they wasted 9 days where this change could have been put on pause or delayed until the other elements were ready as well. That simple

Yeah but this change was going to be implemented, no matter what, because it was needed for their dev projects, I think that we are going to have this new changes they announced is enough, it could be better? yeah, but now is when we have to be comprehensive aswell

If you truly believe it could be better then why are you rolling over? At the end of the day this company needs us more than we need them. If everyone who thinks "it could be better but it's better than nothing so we will accept" sticks with that then it's a win for kabam and nothing else will change. If you still aren't happy then say so this game cannot operate without us the players, we don't need them. Rather infuriating that people are rolling over despite it being a negligible increase from the original nerf

Because I prefer to keep playing the game, if they do what its good for us but not for the game, the game will be closed in less than a year

So if you said it could be better would it be fair to also say its not good enough? For you, the player

If making it better for us would make it worse for the game overall, I prefer what they bring instead of what we could want

It’s insane that this comment only has disagrees. It literally shows people would rather have a broken game that they can do whatever they want in for 6 months than a sustainable, balanced game that lasts for years to come.

I feel bad for people with this mentality. It’s like only instant gratification will ever appease you.

Icebreaker

I have a feeling this is just another thread that they’re just going to ignore till everyone forgets about it…

Jefechuta

Icebreaker said:

I have a feeling this is just another thread that they’re just going to ignore till everyone forgets about it…

Literally they opened this post.

Icebreaker

Didn’t they open the last one and completely ignore everything that was said?

Jefechuta

Icebreaker said:

Didn’t they open the last one and completely ignore everything that was said?

Nop, and they dont have to do anything we ask or say, thats not their job, if they did so, the game would last 2 minutes.

Icebreaker

Never said they did, but when they kill their game with greed I’ll be here to watch