I am in the same situation (plat 2) and I constantly keep been matched up with paragons. And I don't think this is fair. The rewards are the same for paragons and TB but the cost is very different in the BG store. Plus, I play for fun and I don't think this is fun to be destroyed 3 times in 48h just for 600 trophy tokens. I agree to have less rewards or different cost in the store, but this is not fair to just loose every single game (and knowing it just by seeing the deck of my opponent).
A big question is - were you constantly matched with Paragons even in lower tiers (Bronze - Gold)?
If you were, then that just means that your account is rated the same as Paragons (so you really should push to become a Paragon).
If you weren't, then that potentially means you had an 'easier' path to get to Plat 2. That would call into question Kabam's thinking, on if they intend for there to be a 'limit' to how far players of certain account sizes should be able to progress without being drastically more skilled relative to Paragon account sizes.
Either way, BG matchmaking continues to be imperfect.
Can't wait for next season.. Its gonna be so much worse with 7*... "OMG is he hacking?!.. How did he destroy my defender in 26 seconds with a 7" Sunspot" "OMG matchmaking is horrible I am TB matched with people with 5 7* in the Deck!!!"
They should change tiering up system. Reduce amount of medals required to tier up or remove them completely. Make it that you need x amount of pts to tier up. Winning will give more pts than losing but losing will reward pts too. Sooner or later everyone will reach GC and be able to claim all VT rewards.
The only thing i can say is get good tbh . I am a multi-season GC climber here (yeah , i'm paragon) , and let me tell you , i have faced account that is much bigger than mine basically every match. A good drafting strategy will help you a lot from the roster gap . Anyway , good luck on your climb
The only thing i can say is get good tbh . I am a multi-season GC climber here (yeah , i'm paragon) , and let me tell you , i have faced account that is much bigger than mine basically every match. A good drafting strategy will help you a lot from the roster gap . Anyway , good luck on your climb
That's nice to say but it doesn't feel practical when you have only 5-6 r3s and are matched with a person who has 3-4r5s and a full r3+r4 deck You lose hope at that point And I am not saying this because I am stuck I am in Gamma so rewards aren't my concern It's just bad design that depresses you just because you are matched with overpowered decks on the deciding match(the match after which you will tier up) I was stuck on Platinum 1 for 1.5 weeks so I know that pain very well which is the reason why I stopped playing after getting to GC Kabam should do a BG rework
It's very weird because my roster is very small and I am a thronebreaker and for some reason I just find myself fighting a paragon everytime I try to match up and progress in bgs.
is probably because you are in a higher tier. For instance if you are in Platinum or diamond tiers, and all the players in those tiers are paragons, even though you're thronebreaker, you will be facing the guys in your tier. That's the only explanation i see that is logical. Based on my personal experience I am always facing off 15-18k prestige guys, whereas i'm only 14k prestige LOL.
I'm paragon with 36 R3 6*, 7 R4 6* and 3 7* champs and I don't think it's possible to reach GC. I'm in Diamond 1 tier. Sometimes I feel abused...
Don't give up ! this season BG engagement has seem a DRASTIC decrease due to all the bugs, and also the release of 8.2, the 7* introduction, etc etc. This season has been my first reaching GC. I'm a FTP player and paragon with only 4 rank4 champs, and several rank 3 options. my prestige is only 14k and 75% of the time i'm facing off with accounts way larger than mine 15-18k prestige.
You're in Plat 1. Stop complaining that you have to fight Paragons. Try doing it from Bronze 3.
For people who are Paragon, that shouldn't be an issue. It's the highest current Title. The other alternative is everyone lower. The further lower you go, the less reasonable that is.
This argument has been proven wrong over and over again in other threads GW. A paragon beating a paragon is NOT the same as a Cav beating a Cav.
You're right. It isn't fair that you were gifted Plat 2 rewards when you don't deserve them.
I played for hours and hours to get to that, and for some of the fight I was happy of how I played. So time spent and skills (not saying I'm skilled though) should be less considered that the roster in the rewards ? I completly disagree but I see your point
And I've played for years and years to build a roster that could beat many in Plat on auto-fight but Kabams matchmaking is made the keep players like me in low tiers and propel players like you into high tiers.
Season after season I see you using the same line ‘I can’t progress because of the matchmaking’.
Yes the matchmaking isn’t the best, but there are plenty of large accounts making it through the tiers. At what point does some self reflection come in for you to say maybe it’s not just the matchmaking stopping you…
And telling someone they don’t deserve the rewards they’ve spent the hours to grind for (regardless of the matchmaking) is childish in the extreme.
I've never said that I can't progress. I can progress and have when I choose to, but at a much lower rate than a player at my level should. I typically have a 60-75% win rate, which can either mean quick progression or frustrating slow progression depending on when the losses occur.
And someone being gifted easy matches only to come crying on the forums once they have to finally face real competition means that they don't deserve the rewards they were gifted.
Because there should be no other matchmaking other than matching against others in your current tier. I have played multiple alliance teammates and some friends who are all in Plat or Diamond and have not come close to losing to them. All 9 matches have been 2-0 routes. Yet, I am in Silver and they are in Plat and Diamond. I am winning a good amount of matches, but getting three in a row is tough when you are fighting all r4, r5 or 7* r2 champs. Be glad you are in Plat and enjoy the rewards you have gotten. However you should absolutely be matching with Paragon players at that level.
I am Thronebreaker with just 3 R3 6*, and I am in Gold1 and regularly match with rosters that are miles above mine. I think this is my limit, to be honest. At least we don't drop like in the early days.
Because weaker rosters SHOULD get fewer rewards than stronger rosters. That's how competitions work.
Thats not how competitions work also smaller rosters do get lesser rewards the only thing you get from winning in battlegrounds is trophy tokens which you use to get rewards which are relevant to your progression so a thronebreaker would get lesser rewards than paragon
I dont understand all the disagrees the matchmaking is god awful how would you feel if you werent even given the chance to progress and you were just a stepping stone for larger accounts
Because weaker rosters SHOULD get fewer rewards than stronger rosters. That's how competitions work.
Thats not how competitions work also smaller rosters do get lesser rewards the only thing you get from winning in battlegrounds is trophy tokens which you use to get rewards which are relevant to your progression so a thronebreaker would get lesser rewards than paragon
Wrong.
The store has NOTHING to do with the rewards. Everyone is fighting for the exact same rewards. That is a FACT.
Because weaker rosters SHOULD get fewer rewards than stronger rosters. That's how competitions work.
Thats not how competitions work also smaller rosters do get lesser rewards the only thing you get from winning in battlegrounds is trophy tokens which you use to get rewards which are relevant to your progression so a thronebreaker would get lesser rewards than paragon
Wrong.
The store has NOTHING to do with the rewards. Everyone is fighting for the exact same rewards. That is a FACT.
Yeah, but for some getting those rewards are easier than others. Same rewards but not the same effort. It was very hard for me to reach GC this season.
Don't u guys think its a bit ridiculous being the 2nd and 3rd progression lvl and expecting the same rewards as the 1st progression level from the get go?... Also lets point out the major main difference... While Cavs and some TBs are choosing, being picky, saving AGs, mats and shards to try to pull god tier champs that will help their progression... Other Paragons are ranking up strictly BG champs... Just cause they can... Some are hoping to pull that sweet herc to gem him.. while others are R4ing Maw cause he is just annoying...Huge gap also between players spending all their trophies en shards to pull that sweet Champ and others getting sig stones... Just make peace with the place u are and realize there is a big difference between participating and competing...
I dont understand all the disagrees the matchmaking is god awful how would you feel if you weren't even given the chance to progress and you were just a stepping stone for larger accounts
I don't understand how you think you should be able to get the same and better rewards as accounts far stronger than you without ever having to face them. Do you not understand how extremely entitled that is?
You're in Plat 1. Stop complaining that you have to fight Paragons. Try doing it from Bronze 3.
For people who are Paragon, that shouldn't be an issue. It's the highest current Title. The other alternative is everyone lower. The further lower you go, the less reasonable that is.
Please do two things before you keep making the same incorrect assumptions that you've been making for months.
First, please get Paragon, I mean how Kabam passes around resources these days, it shocking to me that anyone who has been playing for over ra year and hasn't made Paragon yet.
Second, after your Paragon, push to GC in BG.
After you do both of the above, your opinion on it "should" be easy for a Paragon to do that is an incorrect assumption that you frankly are not qualified at making.
However, if you ever did both of the above (before any major matchmaking changes are made) I guarantee you will not still be saying that.
The only people who think it's "easy" for Paragons to hit GC are non Paragons due to extremely incorrect and uneducated assumptions such as this.
Because weaker rosters SHOULD get fewer rewards than stronger rosters. That's how competitions work.
Thats not how competitions work also smaller rosters do get lesser rewards the only thing you get from winning in battlegrounds is trophy tokens which you use to get rewards which are relevant to your progression so a thronebreaker would get lesser rewards than paragon
Wrong.
The store has NOTHING to do with the rewards. Everyone is fighting for the exact same rewards. That is a FACT.
The store is where the bulk of the rewards are so yeah id say its safe to assume it has something to do with the rewards as far as the solo obj lower accounts wont be able to get anywhere near any larger accounts so basically lower accounts are fighting amongst themselves they are basically shut out of a certain tier of rewards and if they so happened to place higher than you then they deserved those rewards dosent matter what your level is if you slack you dont get anything
Because weaker rosters SHOULD get fewer rewards than stronger rosters. That's how competitions work.
Thats not how competitions work also smaller rosters do get lesser rewards the only thing you get from winning in battlegrounds is trophy tokens which you use to get rewards which are relevant to your progression so a thronebreaker would get lesser rewards than paragon
Wrong.
The store has NOTHING to do with the rewards. Everyone is fighting for the exact same rewards. That is a FACT.
If you think the payout at the end of a bg's season for a uc looks anything at all similar to a paragon you're losin it
All the rewards are literally the same for everyone. It's a fact, there is no argument. The knots you have to tie yourself into to try to change that face just show that the arguments are weak.
Because weaker rosters SHOULD get fewer rewards than stronger rosters. That's how competitions work.
Thats not how competitions work also smaller rosters do get lesser rewards the only thing you get from winning in battlegrounds is trophy tokens which you use to get rewards which are relevant to your progression so a thronebreaker would get lesser rewards than paragon
Wrong.
The store has NOTHING to do with the rewards. Everyone is fighting for the exact same rewards. That is a FACT.
Just a comparison of costs for UC and Paragon: 6 star shard - 450 tokens (Paragon), N/A (UC) T5B - 170 tokens (Paragon), N/A (UC) T6B - 4000 tokens (Paragon), N/A (UC) T3A - 4000 tokens (Paragon), N/A (UC) T5CC - 275 tokens (Paragon), N/A (UC) 5-star sig stones - 50 tokens (Paragon), N/A (UC) 6-star sig stones - 360 tokens (Paragon), N/A (UC)
Only thing an UC can get from the BG store is T4B, T2A, T4CC and 5-star shards. This is when 7-stars are in the game. Rank up materials most Paragons have in overflow all the time and champs they stopped ranking up at least a year ago. For UC players, BG rewards are as useful as PHC crystals. It doesn't even allow them to fully rank up a 5-star. But of course, let's make them fight Paragons to get those mid-level 5-star champs. Paragons meeting daily objectives get far more valuable items than UC's get for being in GC (even adjusted for their progression level).
When BG tokens allow access to better rewards at the lower end, we can discuss about everyone fighting for same rewards. Until then, let's be honest that you just want to pummel some low strength accounts to get top end rewards (but don't want them to have access to the same).
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If you were, then that just means that your account is rated the same as Paragons (so you really should push to become a Paragon).
If you weren't, then that potentially means you had an 'easier' path to get to Plat 2. That would call into question Kabam's thinking, on if they intend for there to be a 'limit' to how far players of certain account sizes should be able to progress without being drastically more skilled relative to Paragon account sizes.
Either way, BG matchmaking continues to be imperfect.
Its gonna be so much worse with 7*...
"OMG is he hacking?!.. How did he destroy my defender in 26 seconds with a 7" Sunspot"
"OMG matchmaking is horrible I am TB matched with people with 5 7* in the Deck!!!"
You lose hope at that point
And I am not saying this because I am stuck
I am in Gamma so rewards aren't my concern
It's just bad design that depresses you just because you are matched with overpowered decks on the deciding match(the match after which you will tier up)
I was stuck on Platinum 1 for 1.5 weeks so I know that pain very well which is the reason why I stopped playing after getting to GC
Kabam should do a BG rework
And someone being gifted easy matches only to come crying on the forums once they have to finally face real competition means that they don't deserve the rewards they were gifted.
Be glad you are in Plat and enjoy the rewards you have gotten. However you should absolutely be matching with Paragon players at that level.
The store has NOTHING to do with the rewards. Everyone is fighting for the exact same rewards. That is a FACT.
Also lets point out the major main difference...
While Cavs and some TBs are choosing, being picky, saving AGs, mats and shards to try to pull god tier champs that will help their progression... Other Paragons are ranking up strictly BG champs... Just cause they can...
Some are hoping to pull that sweet herc to gem him.. while others are R4ing Maw cause he is just annoying...Huge gap also between players spending all their trophies en shards to pull that sweet Champ and others getting sig stones...
Just make peace with the place u are and realize there is a big difference between participating and competing...
First, please get Paragon, I mean how Kabam passes around resources these days, it shocking to me that anyone who has been playing for over ra year and hasn't made Paragon yet.
Second, after your Paragon, push to GC in BG.
After you do both of the above, your opinion on it "should" be easy for a Paragon to do that is an incorrect assumption that you frankly are not qualified at making.
However, if you ever did both of the above (before any major matchmaking changes are made) I guarantee you will not still be saying that.
The only people who think it's "easy" for Paragons to hit GC are non Paragons due to extremely incorrect and uneducated assumptions such as this.
6 star shard - 450 tokens (Paragon), N/A (UC)
T5B - 170 tokens (Paragon), N/A (UC)
T6B - 4000 tokens (Paragon), N/A (UC)
T3A - 4000 tokens (Paragon), N/A (UC)
T5CC - 275 tokens (Paragon), N/A (UC)
5-star sig stones - 50 tokens (Paragon), N/A (UC)
6-star sig stones - 360 tokens (Paragon), N/A (UC)
Only thing an UC can get from the BG store is T4B, T2A, T4CC and 5-star shards. This is when 7-stars are in the game. Rank up materials most Paragons have in overflow all the time and champs they stopped ranking up at least a year ago. For UC players, BG rewards are as useful as PHC crystals. It doesn't even allow them to fully rank up a 5-star. But of course, let's make them fight Paragons to get those mid-level 5-star champs. Paragons meeting daily objectives get far more valuable items than UC's get for being in GC (even adjusted for their progression level).
When BG tokens allow access to better rewards at the lower end, we can discuss about everyone fighting for same rewards. Until then, let's be honest that you just want to pummel some low strength accounts to get top end rewards (but don't want them to have access to the same).