Why is it that I keep fighting paragons each time I try to find a match in battlegrounds?

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  • CoppinCoppin Member Posts: 2,601 ★★★★★

    Coppin said:

    Anly said:

    Anly said:

    Anly said:

    Stature said:

    Stature said:

    Coppin said:

    Actually thats where u are wrong...
    Look at every Side quest or SOLO event thay had a currency as reward other than BG...
    Lower progressions always earn less and paid more... BG is the only one that had same milestone rewards, same objective rewards and same tier climb rewards for all progressions and the only difference is the store...
    If u r UC u r 3 progressions levels behind.. doesnt even make sense u r competing or playing against Paragons for rewards...

    SQ paid less if you did lower difficulty, same difficulty gives the same amount of currency - complete threat level 5, you get threat level 5 rewards. In BG, difficulty is relative. A 10K roster vs. 10K roster is almost the same difficulty as 17k v 17k.

    10K vs 17K is very easy for a 17K roster and almost impossible for a 10K roster. It's an EOP level match for the 10K and may threat level 2 for the 17K. The 10K players can play flawlessly 100% health, the most ideal rotation etc. and 9 out of 10 times they will still lose because the other match got over sooner. Conversely, the 17k player can take many hits, mess up a few times and will still win almost every one of those match-ups. But you want 17K to get top end rewards for doing this and 10K to get something worthless.

    UC is competing with UC to get currency to buy UC rewards. Paragons and doing the same.
    This is so unequivocally wrong that it's almost not worth discussing.
    Why is it wrong? The result of a BG round is based on the relative results of the two fights in the round. A 6r4 has ~50% more attack and HP as compared to a 5r5 of the same champ.

    Imagine a 5r5 roster facing off against an similar 5r5 roster - maybe they need 30 hits to K.O the defender, their opponents also need to land a similar number of hits in a similar amount of time to win the match.

    When a 6r4 roster faces off against an equal 6r4 roster, the math is largely the same. Since HP and attack increases are almost equal.

    When a 6r4 roster faces off against the same 5r5 roster - with a 6r4 champ you only need 20 hits to down the defender. On the other side, the 5r5 needs 45 hits to down the 6r4 defender. Even if the 5r5 plays a perfect game, there is very little chance that they win the match since the room for error with a 6r4 is so much more.

    If you wants rewards at your progression level, you should at least be willing to face opponents at your progression level. Picking on teams with 2x handicaps to rake in rewards is not the Paragon thing to do.

    The 10K roster who has progressed hasn't played any easier games than you did to get to your level. Because BG matches are relative not absolute.
    Is winning a high school football game just as difficult as winning an NFL game?
    Yes... it is higher level of play dosent mean higher difficulty imagine you have 2 high grade machines pushing at each other both of them applying 50 pounds of force vs 2 low grade machines the each only apply 20 pounds of force the struggle on boths sides is equal
    Wrong.

    What even is your example? Pounds of force? How does that apply to a sport?

    It truly is shocking how many people think that winning a pro game is the same as an HS game. It really shows why so many don't grasp the reality of what Paragons are going through in the VT.
    What dont you get? If you cant understand something as simple as that then there is no hope for you i even dumbed it down, the point was that a uc fighting a equal match against a uc is just as difficult as a paragon fighting a equal match against a paragon something you'd understand if your mind wasnt on one track, you keep replying saying "wrong" and "that is a fact" but someone who can only ever think of themselves can never be right.
    Your argument makes so little sense that "wrong" is all that needs to be said.

    In no world is an "equal" UC match nearly as difficult as an "equal" Paragon match. That's just a fact.
    What you're arguing dosent make any sense the difficulty of the match depends on the players ability to combat it you must be forgetting in the situation of a equal paragon match both players are paragon they would have the skill set and roster to combat the other player
    The better your opponent the lower margin of error there is. 50k points in a match for an 10k players is basically a guaranteed win. 50k points for an 17k player is often a loss.

    Also, no one answered my question of how many 5/65 5* sig 200 Korgs are being used because it totally blew up their argument.
    The same argument could be made for a Sig 200 5* Korg against another 5*. Which is easier to come by than a 6*. Close Matches exist althroughout the competition. There is no metric or measurement in the scoring that accounts for that. It's the same scoring mechanism for everyone.
    Now, I'm sure there may be some argument for Rewards that are appropriate to where a Player is at, but I find the claim that the Fights are vastly superior to be lacking perspective. What Players are using to come up against them is stronger as well. I'd even wager if you gave lower Players the larger Roster and the stronger Matches, their success wouldn't be that different.
    What the main point here is a rite of passage as it were.
    Sig 200 5* Korgs aren't a real thing in mid-level BGs.

    And the bolded is laughable. That's like saying if you used Tiger Woods' clubs you'd shoot under par or Alex Ovechkin's hockey stick you could score 50 goals a season in the NHL.
    You know what the difference between TB and Paragon is? Complete Act 7, and have 3 R3s. That's it. If you're convinced the Title automatically makes someone better then you're not being reasonable. You can't assume why everyone hasn't done it.
    This argument his hilarious when u see UC with 6* and Cavs with R3s ...
    What's hilarious is the argument that Roster should play no factor in the Matches, and yet people still use that to make generalizations about Players.
    No, its hilarious that your argument is..
    If given the same tools (champs) they would perform the same way; but at the same time they have better tools and don't progress...
    U can't have it both ways..
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,619 ★★★★★
    Coppin said:

    Coppin said:

    Anly said:

    Anly said:

    Anly said:

    Stature said:

    Stature said:

    Coppin said:

    Actually thats where u are wrong...
    Look at every Side quest or SOLO event thay had a currency as reward other than BG...
    Lower progressions always earn less and paid more... BG is the only one that had same milestone rewards, same objective rewards and same tier climb rewards for all progressions and the only difference is the store...
    If u r UC u r 3 progressions levels behind.. doesnt even make sense u r competing or playing against Paragons for rewards...

    SQ paid less if you did lower difficulty, same difficulty gives the same amount of currency - complete threat level 5, you get threat level 5 rewards. In BG, difficulty is relative. A 10K roster vs. 10K roster is almost the same difficulty as 17k v 17k.

    10K vs 17K is very easy for a 17K roster and almost impossible for a 10K roster. It's an EOP level match for the 10K and may threat level 2 for the 17K. The 10K players can play flawlessly 100% health, the most ideal rotation etc. and 9 out of 10 times they will still lose because the other match got over sooner. Conversely, the 17k player can take many hits, mess up a few times and will still win almost every one of those match-ups. But you want 17K to get top end rewards for doing this and 10K to get something worthless.

    UC is competing with UC to get currency to buy UC rewards. Paragons and doing the same.
    This is so unequivocally wrong that it's almost not worth discussing.
    Why is it wrong? The result of a BG round is based on the relative results of the two fights in the round. A 6r4 has ~50% more attack and HP as compared to a 5r5 of the same champ.

    Imagine a 5r5 roster facing off against an similar 5r5 roster - maybe they need 30 hits to K.O the defender, their opponents also need to land a similar number of hits in a similar amount of time to win the match.

    When a 6r4 roster faces off against an equal 6r4 roster, the math is largely the same. Since HP and attack increases are almost equal.

    When a 6r4 roster faces off against the same 5r5 roster - with a 6r4 champ you only need 20 hits to down the defender. On the other side, the 5r5 needs 45 hits to down the 6r4 defender. Even if the 5r5 plays a perfect game, there is very little chance that they win the match since the room for error with a 6r4 is so much more.

    If you wants rewards at your progression level, you should at least be willing to face opponents at your progression level. Picking on teams with 2x handicaps to rake in rewards is not the Paragon thing to do.

    The 10K roster who has progressed hasn't played any easier games than you did to get to your level. Because BG matches are relative not absolute.
    Is winning a high school football game just as difficult as winning an NFL game?
    Yes... it is higher level of play dosent mean higher difficulty imagine you have 2 high grade machines pushing at each other both of them applying 50 pounds of force vs 2 low grade machines the each only apply 20 pounds of force the struggle on boths sides is equal
    Wrong.

    What even is your example? Pounds of force? How does that apply to a sport?

    It truly is shocking how many people think that winning a pro game is the same as an HS game. It really shows why so many don't grasp the reality of what Paragons are going through in the VT.
    What dont you get? If you cant understand something as simple as that then there is no hope for you i even dumbed it down, the point was that a uc fighting a equal match against a uc is just as difficult as a paragon fighting a equal match against a paragon something you'd understand if your mind wasnt on one track, you keep replying saying "wrong" and "that is a fact" but someone who can only ever think of themselves can never be right.
    Your argument makes so little sense that "wrong" is all that needs to be said.

    In no world is an "equal" UC match nearly as difficult as an "equal" Paragon match. That's just a fact.
    What you're arguing dosent make any sense the difficulty of the match depends on the players ability to combat it you must be forgetting in the situation of a equal paragon match both players are paragon they would have the skill set and roster to combat the other player
    The better your opponent the lower margin of error there is. 50k points in a match for an 10k players is basically a guaranteed win. 50k points for an 17k player is often a loss.

    Also, no one answered my question of how many 5/65 5* sig 200 Korgs are being used because it totally blew up their argument.
    The same argument could be made for a Sig 200 5* Korg against another 5*. Which is easier to come by than a 6*. Close Matches exist althroughout the competition. There is no metric or measurement in the scoring that accounts for that. It's the same scoring mechanism for everyone.
    Now, I'm sure there may be some argument for Rewards that are appropriate to where a Player is at, but I find the claim that the Fights are vastly superior to be lacking perspective. What Players are using to come up against them is stronger as well. I'd even wager if you gave lower Players the larger Roster and the stronger Matches, their success wouldn't be that different.
    What the main point here is a rite of passage as it were.
    Sig 200 5* Korgs aren't a real thing in mid-level BGs.

    And the bolded is laughable. That's like saying if you used Tiger Woods' clubs you'd shoot under par or Alex Ovechkin's hockey stick you could score 50 goals a season in the NHL.
    You know what the difference between TB and Paragon is? Complete Act 7, and have 3 R3s. That's it. If you're convinced the Title automatically makes someone better then you're not being reasonable. You can't assume why everyone hasn't done it.
    This argument his hilarious when u see UC with 6* and Cavs with R3s ...
    What's hilarious is the argument that Roster should play no factor in the Matches, and yet people still use that to make generalizations about Players.
    No, its hilarious that your argument is..
    If given the same tools (champs) they would perform the same way; but at the same time they have better tools and don't progress...
    U can't have it both ways..
    Where are you getting this information from, anyway? I've come across people with higher Titles displaying Cav or TB. You know we can use whatever Title we want, right?
    Somehow you're convinced there are numbers of Players just camping out, and I'm sorry but I disagree that it's a widespread thing.
    I'm still TB (as an example). I could have pushed through by now, sure. I focus on other things most of the time and I take my time with Story. There's no ulterior motive. Just my pace with it.
    I know from experience that my case isn't a usual occurrence. Most people who can advance, do.
  • CoppinCoppin Member Posts: 2,601 ★★★★★

    Coppin said:

    Coppin said:

    Anly said:

    Anly said:

    Anly said:

    Stature said:

    Stature said:

    Coppin said:

    Actually thats where u are wrong...
    Look at every Side quest or SOLO event thay had a currency as reward other than BG...
    Lower progressions always earn less and paid more... BG is the only one that had same milestone rewards, same objective rewards and same tier climb rewards for all progressions and the only difference is the store...
    If u r UC u r 3 progressions levels behind.. doesnt even make sense u r competing or playing against Paragons for rewards...

    SQ paid less if you did lower difficulty, same difficulty gives the same amount of currency - complete threat level 5, you get threat level 5 rewards. In BG, difficulty is relative. A 10K roster vs. 10K roster is almost the same difficulty as 17k v 17k.

    10K vs 17K is very easy for a 17K roster and almost impossible for a 10K roster. It's an EOP level match for the 10K and may threat level 2 for the 17K. The 10K players can play flawlessly 100% health, the most ideal rotation etc. and 9 out of 10 times they will still lose because the other match got over sooner. Conversely, the 17k player can take many hits, mess up a few times and will still win almost every one of those match-ups. But you want 17K to get top end rewards for doing this and 10K to get something worthless.

    UC is competing with UC to get currency to buy UC rewards. Paragons and doing the same.
    This is so unequivocally wrong that it's almost not worth discussing.
    Why is it wrong? The result of a BG round is based on the relative results of the two fights in the round. A 6r4 has ~50% more attack and HP as compared to a 5r5 of the same champ.

    Imagine a 5r5 roster facing off against an similar 5r5 roster - maybe they need 30 hits to K.O the defender, their opponents also need to land a similar number of hits in a similar amount of time to win the match.

    When a 6r4 roster faces off against an equal 6r4 roster, the math is largely the same. Since HP and attack increases are almost equal.

    When a 6r4 roster faces off against the same 5r5 roster - with a 6r4 champ you only need 20 hits to down the defender. On the other side, the 5r5 needs 45 hits to down the 6r4 defender. Even if the 5r5 plays a perfect game, there is very little chance that they win the match since the room for error with a 6r4 is so much more.

    If you wants rewards at your progression level, you should at least be willing to face opponents at your progression level. Picking on teams with 2x handicaps to rake in rewards is not the Paragon thing to do.

    The 10K roster who has progressed hasn't played any easier games than you did to get to your level. Because BG matches are relative not absolute.
    Is winning a high school football game just as difficult as winning an NFL game?
    Yes... it is higher level of play dosent mean higher difficulty imagine you have 2 high grade machines pushing at each other both of them applying 50 pounds of force vs 2 low grade machines the each only apply 20 pounds of force the struggle on boths sides is equal
    Wrong.

    What even is your example? Pounds of force? How does that apply to a sport?

    It truly is shocking how many people think that winning a pro game is the same as an HS game. It really shows why so many don't grasp the reality of what Paragons are going through in the VT.
    What dont you get? If you cant understand something as simple as that then there is no hope for you i even dumbed it down, the point was that a uc fighting a equal match against a uc is just as difficult as a paragon fighting a equal match against a paragon something you'd understand if your mind wasnt on one track, you keep replying saying "wrong" and "that is a fact" but someone who can only ever think of themselves can never be right.
    Your argument makes so little sense that "wrong" is all that needs to be said.

    In no world is an "equal" UC match nearly as difficult as an "equal" Paragon match. That's just a fact.
    What you're arguing dosent make any sense the difficulty of the match depends on the players ability to combat it you must be forgetting in the situation of a equal paragon match both players are paragon they would have the skill set and roster to combat the other player
    The better your opponent the lower margin of error there is. 50k points in a match for an 10k players is basically a guaranteed win. 50k points for an 17k player is often a loss.

    Also, no one answered my question of how many 5/65 5* sig 200 Korgs are being used because it totally blew up their argument.
    The same argument could be made for a Sig 200 5* Korg against another 5*. Which is easier to come by than a 6*. Close Matches exist althroughout the competition. There is no metric or measurement in the scoring that accounts for that. It's the same scoring mechanism for everyone.
    Now, I'm sure there may be some argument for Rewards that are appropriate to where a Player is at, but I find the claim that the Fights are vastly superior to be lacking perspective. What Players are using to come up against them is stronger as well. I'd even wager if you gave lower Players the larger Roster and the stronger Matches, their success wouldn't be that different.
    What the main point here is a rite of passage as it were.
    Sig 200 5* Korgs aren't a real thing in mid-level BGs.

    And the bolded is laughable. That's like saying if you used Tiger Woods' clubs you'd shoot under par or Alex Ovechkin's hockey stick you could score 50 goals a season in the NHL.
    You know what the difference between TB and Paragon is? Complete Act 7, and have 3 R3s. That's it. If you're convinced the Title automatically makes someone better then you're not being reasonable. You can't assume why everyone hasn't done it.
    This argument his hilarious when u see UC with 6* and Cavs with R3s ...
    What's hilarious is the argument that Roster should play no factor in the Matches, and yet people still use that to make generalizations about Players.
    No, its hilarious that your argument is..
    If given the same tools (champs) they would perform the same way; but at the same time they have better tools and don't progress...
    U can't have it both ways..
    Where are you getting this information from, anyway? I've come across people with higher Titles displaying Cav or TB. You know we can use whatever Title we want, right?
    Somehow you're convinced there are numbers of Players just camping out, and I'm sorry but I disagree that it's a widespread thing.
    I'm still TB (as an example). I could have pushed through by now, sure. I focus on other things most of the time and I take my time with Story. There's no ulterior motive. Just my pace with it.
    I know from experience that my case isn't a usual occurrence. Most people who can advance, do.
    U have a UC complaining he can't compete...U have Cavs complaining they can''t compete.. 4th and 3rd progression level... Guess what.. better progression, easier champ and rank up material acquisition...
    I'm not even gonna touch your TB subject; to avoid your defensive stance even though I am pretty sure you have an over inflated roster for a TB.
    I repeat u can't have it both ways.. u want to be competitive u do your progression, get your roster and rank it up...I repeat for the 5th time on this same thread... Kabam itself made it clear... UC and Cavs that made it far on VT.. will have to work on making their roster better. Its their words not mine... How do u make your roster bettet? Progressing ..
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,247 ★★★★★
    Amazing this thread is still going.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,619 ★★★★★
    Coppin said:

    Coppin said:

    Coppin said:

    Anly said:

    Anly said:

    Anly said:

    Stature said:

    Stature said:

    Coppin said:

    Actually thats where u are wrong...
    Look at every Side quest or SOLO event thay had a currency as reward other than BG...
    Lower progressions always earn less and paid more... BG is the only one that had same milestone rewards, same objective rewards and same tier climb rewards for all progressions and the only difference is the store...
    If u r UC u r 3 progressions levels behind.. doesnt even make sense u r competing or playing against Paragons for rewards...

    SQ paid less if you did lower difficulty, same difficulty gives the same amount of currency - complete threat level 5, you get threat level 5 rewards. In BG, difficulty is relative. A 10K roster vs. 10K roster is almost the same difficulty as 17k v 17k.

    10K vs 17K is very easy for a 17K roster and almost impossible for a 10K roster. It's an EOP level match for the 10K and may threat level 2 for the 17K. The 10K players can play flawlessly 100% health, the most ideal rotation etc. and 9 out of 10 times they will still lose because the other match got over sooner. Conversely, the 17k player can take many hits, mess up a few times and will still win almost every one of those match-ups. But you want 17K to get top end rewards for doing this and 10K to get something worthless.

    UC is competing with UC to get currency to buy UC rewards. Paragons and doing the same.
    This is so unequivocally wrong that it's almost not worth discussing.
    Why is it wrong? The result of a BG round is based on the relative results of the two fights in the round. A 6r4 has ~50% more attack and HP as compared to a 5r5 of the same champ.

    Imagine a 5r5 roster facing off against an similar 5r5 roster - maybe they need 30 hits to K.O the defender, their opponents also need to land a similar number of hits in a similar amount of time to win the match.

    When a 6r4 roster faces off against an equal 6r4 roster, the math is largely the same. Since HP and attack increases are almost equal.

    When a 6r4 roster faces off against the same 5r5 roster - with a 6r4 champ you only need 20 hits to down the defender. On the other side, the 5r5 needs 45 hits to down the 6r4 defender. Even if the 5r5 plays a perfect game, there is very little chance that they win the match since the room for error with a 6r4 is so much more.

    If you wants rewards at your progression level, you should at least be willing to face opponents at your progression level. Picking on teams with 2x handicaps to rake in rewards is not the Paragon thing to do.

    The 10K roster who has progressed hasn't played any easier games than you did to get to your level. Because BG matches are relative not absolute.
    Is winning a high school football game just as difficult as winning an NFL game?
    Yes... it is higher level of play dosent mean higher difficulty imagine you have 2 high grade machines pushing at each other both of them applying 50 pounds of force vs 2 low grade machines the each only apply 20 pounds of force the struggle on boths sides is equal
    Wrong.

    What even is your example? Pounds of force? How does that apply to a sport?

    It truly is shocking how many people think that winning a pro game is the same as an HS game. It really shows why so many don't grasp the reality of what Paragons are going through in the VT.
    What dont you get? If you cant understand something as simple as that then there is no hope for you i even dumbed it down, the point was that a uc fighting a equal match against a uc is just as difficult as a paragon fighting a equal match against a paragon something you'd understand if your mind wasnt on one track, you keep replying saying "wrong" and "that is a fact" but someone who can only ever think of themselves can never be right.
    Your argument makes so little sense that "wrong" is all that needs to be said.

    In no world is an "equal" UC match nearly as difficult as an "equal" Paragon match. That's just a fact.
    What you're arguing dosent make any sense the difficulty of the match depends on the players ability to combat it you must be forgetting in the situation of a equal paragon match both players are paragon they would have the skill set and roster to combat the other player
    The better your opponent the lower margin of error there is. 50k points in a match for an 10k players is basically a guaranteed win. 50k points for an 17k player is often a loss.

    Also, no one answered my question of how many 5/65 5* sig 200 Korgs are being used because it totally blew up their argument.
    The same argument could be made for a Sig 200 5* Korg against another 5*. Which is easier to come by than a 6*. Close Matches exist althroughout the competition. There is no metric or measurement in the scoring that accounts for that. It's the same scoring mechanism for everyone.
    Now, I'm sure there may be some argument for Rewards that are appropriate to where a Player is at, but I find the claim that the Fights are vastly superior to be lacking perspective. What Players are using to come up against them is stronger as well. I'd even wager if you gave lower Players the larger Roster and the stronger Matches, their success wouldn't be that different.
    What the main point here is a rite of passage as it were.
    Sig 200 5* Korgs aren't a real thing in mid-level BGs.

    And the bolded is laughable. That's like saying if you used Tiger Woods' clubs you'd shoot under par or Alex Ovechkin's hockey stick you could score 50 goals a season in the NHL.
    You know what the difference between TB and Paragon is? Complete Act 7, and have 3 R3s. That's it. If you're convinced the Title automatically makes someone better then you're not being reasonable. You can't assume why everyone hasn't done it.
    This argument his hilarious when u see UC with 6* and Cavs with R3s ...
    What's hilarious is the argument that Roster should play no factor in the Matches, and yet people still use that to make generalizations about Players.
    No, its hilarious that your argument is..
    If given the same tools (champs) they would perform the same way; but at the same time they have better tools and don't progress...
    U can't have it both ways..
    Where are you getting this information from, anyway? I've come across people with higher Titles displaying Cav or TB. You know we can use whatever Title we want, right?
    Somehow you're convinced there are numbers of Players just camping out, and I'm sorry but I disagree that it's a widespread thing.
    I'm still TB (as an example). I could have pushed through by now, sure. I focus on other things most of the time and I take my time with Story. There's no ulterior motive. Just my pace with it.
    I know from experience that my case isn't a usual occurrence. Most people who can advance, do.
    U have a UC complaining he can't compete...U have Cavs complaining they can''t compete.. 4th and 3rd progression level... Guess what.. better progression, easier champ and rank up material acquisition...
    I'm not even gonna touch your TB subject; to avoid your defensive stance even though I am pretty sure you have an over inflated roster for a TB.
    I repeat u can't have it both ways.. u want to be competitive u do your progression, get your roster and rank it up...I repeat for the 5th time on this same thread... Kabam itself made it clear... UC and Cavs that made it far on VT.. will have to work on making their roster better. Its their words not mine... How do u make your roster bettet? Progressing ..
    My defensive what? I offered the situation as an example.
    I was talking about the idea that you can assume a Player is better just because they're Paragon, and that's not a general statement. I never said anything about what Kabam said about that aspect. You seem to have some kind of resentment against lower Players complaining and that's not my cross to bear.
    My concerns are being addressed between the upcoming changes and the streamline process coming in the future, so I have no qualms with anyone complaining during adjustment.
    You can't have it both ways either. You can't have a competition that's based on results and simultaneously claim those results must rank Players higher just because they have a higher Title.
  • CoppinCoppin Member Posts: 2,601 ★★★★★

    Coppin said:

    Coppin said:

    Coppin said:

    Anly said:

    Anly said:

    Anly said:

    Stature said:

    Stature said:

    Coppin said:

    Actually thats where u are wrong...
    Look at every Side quest or SOLO event thay had a currency as reward other than BG...
    Lower progressions always earn less and paid more... BG is the only one that had same milestone rewards, same objective rewards and same tier climb rewards for all progressions and the only difference is the store...
    If u r UC u r 3 progressions levels behind.. doesnt even make sense u r competing or playing against Paragons for rewards...

    SQ paid less if you did lower difficulty, same difficulty gives the same amount of currency - complete threat level 5, you get threat level 5 rewards. In BG, difficulty is relative. A 10K roster vs. 10K roster is almost the same difficulty as 17k v 17k.

    10K vs 17K is very easy for a 17K roster and almost impossible for a 10K roster. It's an EOP level match for the 10K and may threat level 2 for the 17K. The 10K players can play flawlessly 100% health, the most ideal rotation etc. and 9 out of 10 times they will still lose because the other match got over sooner. Conversely, the 17k player can take many hits, mess up a few times and will still win almost every one of those match-ups. But you want 17K to get top end rewards for doing this and 10K to get something worthless.

    UC is competing with UC to get currency to buy UC rewards. Paragons and doing the same.
    This is so unequivocally wrong that it's almost not worth discussing.
    Why is it wrong? The result of a BG round is based on the relative results of the two fights in the round. A 6r4 has ~50% more attack and HP as compared to a 5r5 of the same champ.

    Imagine a 5r5 roster facing off against an similar 5r5 roster - maybe they need 30 hits to K.O the defender, their opponents also need to land a similar number of hits in a similar amount of time to win the match.

    When a 6r4 roster faces off against an equal 6r4 roster, the math is largely the same. Since HP and attack increases are almost equal.

    When a 6r4 roster faces off against the same 5r5 roster - with a 6r4 champ you only need 20 hits to down the defender. On the other side, the 5r5 needs 45 hits to down the 6r4 defender. Even if the 5r5 plays a perfect game, there is very little chance that they win the match since the room for error with a 6r4 is so much more.

    If you wants rewards at your progression level, you should at least be willing to face opponents at your progression level. Picking on teams with 2x handicaps to rake in rewards is not the Paragon thing to do.

    The 10K roster who has progressed hasn't played any easier games than you did to get to your level. Because BG matches are relative not absolute.
    Is winning a high school football game just as difficult as winning an NFL game?
    Yes... it is higher level of play dosent mean higher difficulty imagine you have 2 high grade machines pushing at each other both of them applying 50 pounds of force vs 2 low grade machines the each only apply 20 pounds of force the struggle on boths sides is equal
    Wrong.

    What even is your example? Pounds of force? How does that apply to a sport?

    It truly is shocking how many people think that winning a pro game is the same as an HS game. It really shows why so many don't grasp the reality of what Paragons are going through in the VT.
    What dont you get? If you cant understand something as simple as that then there is no hope for you i even dumbed it down, the point was that a uc fighting a equal match against a uc is just as difficult as a paragon fighting a equal match against a paragon something you'd understand if your mind wasnt on one track, you keep replying saying "wrong" and "that is a fact" but someone who can only ever think of themselves can never be right.
    Your argument makes so little sense that "wrong" is all that needs to be said.

    In no world is an "equal" UC match nearly as difficult as an "equal" Paragon match. That's just a fact.
    What you're arguing dosent make any sense the difficulty of the match depends on the players ability to combat it you must be forgetting in the situation of a equal paragon match both players are paragon they would have the skill set and roster to combat the other player
    The better your opponent the lower margin of error there is. 50k points in a match for an 10k players is basically a guaranteed win. 50k points for an 17k player is often a loss.

    Also, no one answered my question of how many 5/65 5* sig 200 Korgs are being used because it totally blew up their argument.
    The same argument could be made for a Sig 200 5* Korg against another 5*. Which is easier to come by than a 6*. Close Matches exist althroughout the competition. There is no metric or measurement in the scoring that accounts for that. It's the same scoring mechanism for everyone.
    Now, I'm sure there may be some argument for Rewards that are appropriate to where a Player is at, but I find the claim that the Fights are vastly superior to be lacking perspective. What Players are using to come up against them is stronger as well. I'd even wager if you gave lower Players the larger Roster and the stronger Matches, their success wouldn't be that different.
    What the main point here is a rite of passage as it were.
    Sig 200 5* Korgs aren't a real thing in mid-level BGs.

    And the bolded is laughable. That's like saying if you used Tiger Woods' clubs you'd shoot under par or Alex Ovechkin's hockey stick you could score 50 goals a season in the NHL.
    You know what the difference between TB and Paragon is? Complete Act 7, and have 3 R3s. That's it. If you're convinced the Title automatically makes someone better then you're not being reasonable. You can't assume why everyone hasn't done it.
    This argument his hilarious when u see UC with 6* and Cavs with R3s ...
    What's hilarious is the argument that Roster should play no factor in the Matches, and yet people still use that to make generalizations about Players.
    No, its hilarious that your argument is..
    If given the same tools (champs) they would perform the same way; but at the same time they have better tools and don't progress...
    U can't have it both ways..
    Where are you getting this information from, anyway? I've come across people with higher Titles displaying Cav or TB. You know we can use whatever Title we want, right?
    Somehow you're convinced there are numbers of Players just camping out, and I'm sorry but I disagree that it's a widespread thing.
    I'm still TB (as an example). I could have pushed through by now, sure. I focus on other things most of the time and I take my time with Story. There's no ulterior motive. Just my pace with it.
    I know from experience that my case isn't a usual occurrence. Most people who can advance, do.
    U have a UC complaining he can't compete...U have Cavs complaining they can''t compete.. 4th and 3rd progression level... Guess what.. better progression, easier champ and rank up material acquisition...
    I'm not even gonna touch your TB subject; to avoid your defensive stance even though I am pretty sure you have an over inflated roster for a TB.
    I repeat u can't have it both ways.. u want to be competitive u do your progression, get your roster and rank it up...I repeat for the 5th time on this same thread... Kabam itself made it clear... UC and Cavs that made it far on VT.. will have to work on making their roster better. Its their words not mine... How do u make your roster bettet? Progressing ..
    My defensive what? I offered the situation as an example.
    I was talking about the idea that you can assume a Player is better just because they're Paragon, and that's not a general statement. I never said anything about what Kabam said about that aspect. You seem to have some kind of resentment against lower Players complaining and that's not my cross to bear.
    My concerns are being addressed between the upcoming changes and the streamline process coming in the future, so I have no qualms with anyone complaining during adjustment.
    You can't have it both ways either. You can't have a competition that's based on results and simultaneously claim those results must rank Players higher just because they have a higher Title.
    Who wants to have it both ways?... Competition in PVP is dog eat dog.. no small dog eat small dog..
    Your concern has been addressed already by kabam.. improve your roster.. that's the end of it...
    Resentment?... I got no resentment u don't see me complaining, I have an issue with the sense of entitlment... Who made u jesus to bear any crosses? 🤣
    And the defensive stance about being TB?.. if u werent defensive you wouldn't have to clarify that its by choice and everything else that nobody asked...
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,619 ★★★★★
    Coppin said:

    Coppin said:

    Coppin said:

    Coppin said:

    Anly said:

    Anly said:

    Anly said:

    Stature said:

    Stature said:

    Coppin said:

    Actually thats where u are wrong...
    Look at every Side quest or SOLO event thay had a currency as reward other than BG...
    Lower progressions always earn less and paid more... BG is the only one that had same milestone rewards, same objective rewards and same tier climb rewards for all progressions and the only difference is the store...
    If u r UC u r 3 progressions levels behind.. doesnt even make sense u r competing or playing against Paragons for rewards...

    SQ paid less if you did lower difficulty, same difficulty gives the same amount of currency - complete threat level 5, you get threat level 5 rewards. In BG, difficulty is relative. A 10K roster vs. 10K roster is almost the same difficulty as 17k v 17k.

    10K vs 17K is very easy for a 17K roster and almost impossible for a 10K roster. It's an EOP level match for the 10K and may threat level 2 for the 17K. The 10K players can play flawlessly 100% health, the most ideal rotation etc. and 9 out of 10 times they will still lose because the other match got over sooner. Conversely, the 17k player can take many hits, mess up a few times and will still win almost every one of those match-ups. But you want 17K to get top end rewards for doing this and 10K to get something worthless.

    UC is competing with UC to get currency to buy UC rewards. Paragons and doing the same.
    This is so unequivocally wrong that it's almost not worth discussing.
    Why is it wrong? The result of a BG round is based on the relative results of the two fights in the round. A 6r4 has ~50% more attack and HP as compared to a 5r5 of the same champ.

    Imagine a 5r5 roster facing off against an similar 5r5 roster - maybe they need 30 hits to K.O the defender, their opponents also need to land a similar number of hits in a similar amount of time to win the match.

    When a 6r4 roster faces off against an equal 6r4 roster, the math is largely the same. Since HP and attack increases are almost equal.

    When a 6r4 roster faces off against the same 5r5 roster - with a 6r4 champ you only need 20 hits to down the defender. On the other side, the 5r5 needs 45 hits to down the 6r4 defender. Even if the 5r5 plays a perfect game, there is very little chance that they win the match since the room for error with a 6r4 is so much more.

    If you wants rewards at your progression level, you should at least be willing to face opponents at your progression level. Picking on teams with 2x handicaps to rake in rewards is not the Paragon thing to do.

    The 10K roster who has progressed hasn't played any easier games than you did to get to your level. Because BG matches are relative not absolute.
    Is winning a high school football game just as difficult as winning an NFL game?
    Yes... it is higher level of play dosent mean higher difficulty imagine you have 2 high grade machines pushing at each other both of them applying 50 pounds of force vs 2 low grade machines the each only apply 20 pounds of force the struggle on boths sides is equal
    Wrong.

    What even is your example? Pounds of force? How does that apply to a sport?

    It truly is shocking how many people think that winning a pro game is the same as an HS game. It really shows why so many don't grasp the reality of what Paragons are going through in the VT.
    What dont you get? If you cant understand something as simple as that then there is no hope for you i even dumbed it down, the point was that a uc fighting a equal match against a uc is just as difficult as a paragon fighting a equal match against a paragon something you'd understand if your mind wasnt on one track, you keep replying saying "wrong" and "that is a fact" but someone who can only ever think of themselves can never be right.
    Your argument makes so little sense that "wrong" is all that needs to be said.

    In no world is an "equal" UC match nearly as difficult as an "equal" Paragon match. That's just a fact.
    What you're arguing dosent make any sense the difficulty of the match depends on the players ability to combat it you must be forgetting in the situation of a equal paragon match both players are paragon they would have the skill set and roster to combat the other player
    The better your opponent the lower margin of error there is. 50k points in a match for an 10k players is basically a guaranteed win. 50k points for an 17k player is often a loss.

    Also, no one answered my question of how many 5/65 5* sig 200 Korgs are being used because it totally blew up their argument.
    The same argument could be made for a Sig 200 5* Korg against another 5*. Which is easier to come by than a 6*. Close Matches exist althroughout the competition. There is no metric or measurement in the scoring that accounts for that. It's the same scoring mechanism for everyone.
    Now, I'm sure there may be some argument for Rewards that are appropriate to where a Player is at, but I find the claim that the Fights are vastly superior to be lacking perspective. What Players are using to come up against them is stronger as well. I'd even wager if you gave lower Players the larger Roster and the stronger Matches, their success wouldn't be that different.
    What the main point here is a rite of passage as it were.
    Sig 200 5* Korgs aren't a real thing in mid-level BGs.

    And the bolded is laughable. That's like saying if you used Tiger Woods' clubs you'd shoot under par or Alex Ovechkin's hockey stick you could score 50 goals a season in the NHL.
    You know what the difference between TB and Paragon is? Complete Act 7, and have 3 R3s. That's it. If you're convinced the Title automatically makes someone better then you're not being reasonable. You can't assume why everyone hasn't done it.
    This argument his hilarious when u see UC with 6* and Cavs with R3s ...
    What's hilarious is the argument that Roster should play no factor in the Matches, and yet people still use that to make generalizations about Players.
    No, its hilarious that your argument is..
    If given the same tools (champs) they would perform the same way; but at the same time they have better tools and don't progress...
    U can't have it both ways..
    Where are you getting this information from, anyway? I've come across people with higher Titles displaying Cav or TB. You know we can use whatever Title we want, right?
    Somehow you're convinced there are numbers of Players just camping out, and I'm sorry but I disagree that it's a widespread thing.
    I'm still TB (as an example). I could have pushed through by now, sure. I focus on other things most of the time and I take my time with Story. There's no ulterior motive. Just my pace with it.
    I know from experience that my case isn't a usual occurrence. Most people who can advance, do.
    U have a UC complaining he can't compete...U have Cavs complaining they can''t compete.. 4th and 3rd progression level... Guess what.. better progression, easier champ and rank up material acquisition...
    I'm not even gonna touch your TB subject; to avoid your defensive stance even though I am pretty sure you have an over inflated roster for a TB.
    I repeat u can't have it both ways.. u want to be competitive u do your progression, get your roster and rank it up...I repeat for the 5th time on this same thread... Kabam itself made it clear... UC and Cavs that made it far on VT.. will have to work on making their roster better. Its their words not mine... How do u make your roster bettet? Progressing ..
    My defensive what? I offered the situation as an example.
    I was talking about the idea that you can assume a Player is better just because they're Paragon, and that's not a general statement. I never said anything about what Kabam said about that aspect. You seem to have some kind of resentment against lower Players complaining and that's not my cross to bear.
    My concerns are being addressed between the upcoming changes and the streamline process coming in the future, so I have no qualms with anyone complaining during adjustment.
    You can't have it both ways either. You can't have a competition that's based on results and simultaneously claim those results must rank Players higher just because they have a higher Title.
    Who wants to have it both ways?... Competition in PVP is dog eat dog.. no small dog eat small dog..
    Your concern has been addressed already by kabam.. improve your roster.. that's the end of it...
    Resentment?... I got no resentment u don't see me complaining, I have an issue with the sense of entitlment... Who made u jesus to bear any crosses? 🤣
    And the defensive stance about being TB?.. if u werent defensive you wouldn't have to clarify that its by choice and everything else that nobody asked...
    I clarified because you're making assumptions about people who are not hitting the Titles yet.
    MY concerns have never been for myself. I believe I've been forthright long enough about it that I don't need to reiterate it here.
    Competition is competition, sure. That doesn't mean it's written in stone that the highest Title elsewhere in the game MUST rank higher in that. That all depends on their performance.
  • CoppinCoppin Member Posts: 2,601 ★★★★★

    Coppin said:

    Coppin said:

    Coppin said:

    Coppin said:

    Anly said:

    Anly said:

    Anly said:

    Stature said:

    Stature said:

    Coppin said:

    Actually thats where u are wrong...
    Look at every Side quest or SOLO event thay had a currency as reward other than BG...
    Lower progressions always earn less and paid more... BG is the only one that had same milestone rewards, same objective rewards and same tier climb rewards for all progressions and the only difference is the store...
    If u r UC u r 3 progressions levels behind.. doesnt even make sense u r competing or playing against Paragons for rewards...

    SQ paid less if you did lower difficulty, same difficulty gives the same amount of currency - complete threat level 5, you get threat level 5 rewards. In BG, difficulty is relative. A 10K roster vs. 10K roster is almost the same difficulty as 17k v 17k.

    10K vs 17K is very easy for a 17K roster and almost impossible for a 10K roster. It's an EOP level match for the 10K and may threat level 2 for the 17K. The 10K players can play flawlessly 100% health, the most ideal rotation etc. and 9 out of 10 times they will still lose because the other match got over sooner. Conversely, the 17k player can take many hits, mess up a few times and will still win almost every one of those match-ups. But you want 17K to get top end rewards for doing this and 10K to get something worthless.

    UC is competing with UC to get currency to buy UC rewards. Paragons and doing the same.
    This is so unequivocally wrong that it's almost not worth discussing.
    Why is it wrong? The result of a BG round is based on the relative results of the two fights in the round. A 6r4 has ~50% more attack and HP as compared to a 5r5 of the same champ.

    Imagine a 5r5 roster facing off against an similar 5r5 roster - maybe they need 30 hits to K.O the defender, their opponents also need to land a similar number of hits in a similar amount of time to win the match.

    When a 6r4 roster faces off against an equal 6r4 roster, the math is largely the same. Since HP and attack increases are almost equal.

    When a 6r4 roster faces off against the same 5r5 roster - with a 6r4 champ you only need 20 hits to down the defender. On the other side, the 5r5 needs 45 hits to down the 6r4 defender. Even if the 5r5 plays a perfect game, there is very little chance that they win the match since the room for error with a 6r4 is so much more.

    If you wants rewards at your progression level, you should at least be willing to face opponents at your progression level. Picking on teams with 2x handicaps to rake in rewards is not the Paragon thing to do.

    The 10K roster who has progressed hasn't played any easier games than you did to get to your level. Because BG matches are relative not absolute.
    Is winning a high school football game just as difficult as winning an NFL game?
    Yes... it is higher level of play dosent mean higher difficulty imagine you have 2 high grade machines pushing at each other both of them applying 50 pounds of force vs 2 low grade machines the each only apply 20 pounds of force the struggle on boths sides is equal
    Wrong.

    What even is your example? Pounds of force? How does that apply to a sport?

    It truly is shocking how many people think that winning a pro game is the same as an HS game. It really shows why so many don't grasp the reality of what Paragons are going through in the VT.
    What dont you get? If you cant understand something as simple as that then there is no hope for you i even dumbed it down, the point was that a uc fighting a equal match against a uc is just as difficult as a paragon fighting a equal match against a paragon something you'd understand if your mind wasnt on one track, you keep replying saying "wrong" and "that is a fact" but someone who can only ever think of themselves can never be right.
    Your argument makes so little sense that "wrong" is all that needs to be said.

    In no world is an "equal" UC match nearly as difficult as an "equal" Paragon match. That's just a fact.
    What you're arguing dosent make any sense the difficulty of the match depends on the players ability to combat it you must be forgetting in the situation of a equal paragon match both players are paragon they would have the skill set and roster to combat the other player
    The better your opponent the lower margin of error there is. 50k points in a match for an 10k players is basically a guaranteed win. 50k points for an 17k player is often a loss.

    Also, no one answered my question of how many 5/65 5* sig 200 Korgs are being used because it totally blew up their argument.
    The same argument could be made for a Sig 200 5* Korg against another 5*. Which is easier to come by than a 6*. Close Matches exist althroughout the competition. There is no metric or measurement in the scoring that accounts for that. It's the same scoring mechanism for everyone.
    Now, I'm sure there may be some argument for Rewards that are appropriate to where a Player is at, but I find the claim that the Fights are vastly superior to be lacking perspective. What Players are using to come up against them is stronger as well. I'd even wager if you gave lower Players the larger Roster and the stronger Matches, their success wouldn't be that different.
    What the main point here is a rite of passage as it were.
    Sig 200 5* Korgs aren't a real thing in mid-level BGs.

    And the bolded is laughable. That's like saying if you used Tiger Woods' clubs you'd shoot under par or Alex Ovechkin's hockey stick you could score 50 goals a season in the NHL.
    You know what the difference between TB and Paragon is? Complete Act 7, and have 3 R3s. That's it. If you're convinced the Title automatically makes someone better then you're not being reasonable. You can't assume why everyone hasn't done it.
    This argument his hilarious when u see UC with 6* and Cavs with R3s ...
    What's hilarious is the argument that Roster should play no factor in the Matches, and yet people still use that to make generalizations about Players.
    No, its hilarious that your argument is..
    If given the same tools (champs) they would perform the same way; but at the same time they have better tools and don't progress...
    U can't have it both ways..
    Where are you getting this information from, anyway? I've come across people with higher Titles displaying Cav or TB. You know we can use whatever Title we want, right?
    Somehow you're convinced there are numbers of Players just camping out, and I'm sorry but I disagree that it's a widespread thing.
    I'm still TB (as an example). I could have pushed through by now, sure. I focus on other things most of the time and I take my time with Story. There's no ulterior motive. Just my pace with it.
    I know from experience that my case isn't a usual occurrence. Most people who can advance, do.
    U have a UC complaining he can't compete...U have Cavs complaining they can''t compete.. 4th and 3rd progression level... Guess what.. better progression, easier champ and rank up material acquisition...
    I'm not even gonna touch your TB subject; to avoid your defensive stance even though I am pretty sure you have an over inflated roster for a TB.
    I repeat u can't have it both ways.. u want to be competitive u do your progression, get your roster and rank it up...I repeat for the 5th time on this same thread... Kabam itself made it clear... UC and Cavs that made it far on VT.. will have to work on making their roster better. Its their words not mine... How do u make your roster bettet? Progressing ..
    My defensive what? I offered the situation as an example.
    I was talking about the idea that you can assume a Player is better just because they're Paragon, and that's not a general statement. I never said anything about what Kabam said about that aspect. You seem to have some kind of resentment against lower Players complaining and that's not my cross to bear.
    My concerns are being addressed between the upcoming changes and the streamline process coming in the future, so I have no qualms with anyone complaining during adjustment.
    You can't have it both ways either. You can't have a competition that's based on results and simultaneously claim those results must rank Players higher just because they have a higher Title.
    Who wants to have it both ways?... Competition in PVP is dog eat dog.. no small dog eat small dog..
    Your concern has been addressed already by kabam.. improve your roster.. that's the end of it...
    Resentment?... I got no resentment u don't see me complaining, I have an issue with the sense of entitlment... Who made u jesus to bear any crosses? 🤣
    And the defensive stance about being TB?.. if u werent defensive you wouldn't have to clarify that its by choice and everything else that nobody asked...
    I clarified because you're making assumptions about people who are not hitting the Titles yet.
    MY concerns have never been for myself. I believe I've been forthright long enough about it that I don't need to reiterate it here.
    Competition is competition, sure. That doesn't mean it's written in stone that the highest Title elsewhere in the game MUST rank higher in that. That all depends on their performance.
    I didn't make any assumptions.. matter of fact I didn't even criticize TBs.
    And u are right it wasnt written in stone... Until Kabam said straight up... UC and Cavs that made it high in VT or GC.. start making your rosters better...
    Now it is written in stone
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,619 ★★★★★
    edited May 2023
    Coppin said:

    Coppin said:

    Coppin said:

    Coppin said:

    Coppin said:

    Anly said:

    Anly said:

    Anly said:

    Stature said:

    Stature said:

    Coppin said:

    Actually thats where u are wrong...
    Look at every Side quest or SOLO event thay had a currency as reward other than BG...
    Lower progressions always earn less and paid more... BG is the only one that had same milestone rewards, same objective rewards and same tier climb rewards for all progressions and the only difference is the store...
    If u r UC u r 3 progressions levels behind.. doesnt even make sense u r competing or playing against Paragons for rewards...

    SQ paid less if you did lower difficulty, same difficulty gives the same amount of currency - complete threat level 5, you get threat level 5 rewards. In BG, difficulty is relative. A 10K roster vs. 10K roster is almost the same difficulty as 17k v 17k.

    10K vs 17K is very easy for a 17K roster and almost impossible for a 10K roster. It's an EOP level match for the 10K and may threat level 2 for the 17K. The 10K players can play flawlessly 100% health, the most ideal rotation etc. and 9 out of 10 times they will still lose because the other match got over sooner. Conversely, the 17k player can take many hits, mess up a few times and will still win almost every one of those match-ups. But you want 17K to get top end rewards for doing this and 10K to get something worthless.

    UC is competing with UC to get currency to buy UC rewards. Paragons and doing the same.
    This is so unequivocally wrong that it's almost not worth discussing.
    Why is it wrong? The result of a BG round is based on the relative results of the two fights in the round. A 6r4 has ~50% more attack and HP as compared to a 5r5 of the same champ.

    Imagine a 5r5 roster facing off against an similar 5r5 roster - maybe they need 30 hits to K.O the defender, their opponents also need to land a similar number of hits in a similar amount of time to win the match.

    When a 6r4 roster faces off against an equal 6r4 roster, the math is largely the same. Since HP and attack increases are almost equal.

    When a 6r4 roster faces off against the same 5r5 roster - with a 6r4 champ you only need 20 hits to down the defender. On the other side, the 5r5 needs 45 hits to down the 6r4 defender. Even if the 5r5 plays a perfect game, there is very little chance that they win the match since the room for error with a 6r4 is so much more.

    If you wants rewards at your progression level, you should at least be willing to face opponents at your progression level. Picking on teams with 2x handicaps to rake in rewards is not the Paragon thing to do.

    The 10K roster who has progressed hasn't played any easier games than you did to get to your level. Because BG matches are relative not absolute.
    Is winning a high school football game just as difficult as winning an NFL game?
    Yes... it is higher level of play dosent mean higher difficulty imagine you have 2 high grade machines pushing at each other both of them applying 50 pounds of force vs 2 low grade machines the each only apply 20 pounds of force the struggle on boths sides is equal
    Wrong.

    What even is your example? Pounds of force? How does that apply to a sport?

    It truly is shocking how many people think that winning a pro game is the same as an HS game. It really shows why so many don't grasp the reality of what Paragons are going through in the VT.
    What dont you get? If you cant understand something as simple as that then there is no hope for you i even dumbed it down, the point was that a uc fighting a equal match against a uc is just as difficult as a paragon fighting a equal match against a paragon something you'd understand if your mind wasnt on one track, you keep replying saying "wrong" and "that is a fact" but someone who can only ever think of themselves can never be right.
    Your argument makes so little sense that "wrong" is all that needs to be said.

    In no world is an "equal" UC match nearly as difficult as an "equal" Paragon match. That's just a fact.
    What you're arguing dosent make any sense the difficulty of the match depends on the players ability to combat it you must be forgetting in the situation of a equal paragon match both players are paragon they would have the skill set and roster to combat the other player
    The better your opponent the lower margin of error there is. 50k points in a match for an 10k players is basically a guaranteed win. 50k points for an 17k player is often a loss.

    Also, no one answered my question of how many 5/65 5* sig 200 Korgs are being used because it totally blew up their argument.
    The same argument could be made for a Sig 200 5* Korg against another 5*. Which is easier to come by than a 6*. Close Matches exist althroughout the competition. There is no metric or measurement in the scoring that accounts for that. It's the same scoring mechanism for everyone.
    Now, I'm sure there may be some argument for Rewards that are appropriate to where a Player is at, but I find the claim that the Fights are vastly superior to be lacking perspective. What Players are using to come up against them is stronger as well. I'd even wager if you gave lower Players the larger Roster and the stronger Matches, their success wouldn't be that different.
    What the main point here is a rite of passage as it were.
    Sig 200 5* Korgs aren't a real thing in mid-level BGs.

    And the bolded is laughable. That's like saying if you used Tiger Woods' clubs you'd shoot under par or Alex Ovechkin's hockey stick you could score 50 goals a season in the NHL.
    You know what the difference between TB and Paragon is? Complete Act 7, and have 3 R3s. That's it. If you're convinced the Title automatically makes someone better then you're not being reasonable. You can't assume why everyone hasn't done it.
    This argument his hilarious when u see UC with 6* and Cavs with R3s ...
    What's hilarious is the argument that Roster should play no factor in the Matches, and yet people still use that to make generalizations about Players.
    No, its hilarious that your argument is..
    If given the same tools (champs) they would perform the same way; but at the same time they have better tools and don't progress...
    U can't have it both ways..
    Where are you getting this information from, anyway? I've come across people with higher Titles displaying Cav or TB. You know we can use whatever Title we want, right?
    Somehow you're convinced there are numbers of Players just camping out, and I'm sorry but I disagree that it's a widespread thing.
    I'm still TB (as an example). I could have pushed through by now, sure. I focus on other things most of the time and I take my time with Story. There's no ulterior motive. Just my pace with it.
    I know from experience that my case isn't a usual occurrence. Most people who can advance, do.
    U have a UC complaining he can't compete...U have Cavs complaining they can''t compete.. 4th and 3rd progression level... Guess what.. better progression, easier champ and rank up material acquisition...
    I'm not even gonna touch your TB subject; to avoid your defensive stance even though I am pretty sure you have an over inflated roster for a TB.
    I repeat u can't have it both ways.. u want to be competitive u do your progression, get your roster and rank it up...I repeat for the 5th time on this same thread... Kabam itself made it clear... UC and Cavs that made it far on VT.. will have to work on making their roster better. Its their words not mine... How do u make your roster bettet? Progressing ..
    My defensive what? I offered the situation as an example.
    I was talking about the idea that you can assume a Player is better just because they're Paragon, and that's not a general statement. I never said anything about what Kabam said about that aspect. You seem to have some kind of resentment against lower Players complaining and that's not my cross to bear.
    My concerns are being addressed between the upcoming changes and the streamline process coming in the future, so I have no qualms with anyone complaining during adjustment.
    You can't have it both ways either. You can't have a competition that's based on results and simultaneously claim those results must rank Players higher just because they have a higher Title.
    Who wants to have it both ways?... Competition in PVP is dog eat dog.. no small dog eat small dog..
    Your concern has been addressed already by kabam.. improve your roster.. that's the end of it...
    Resentment?... I got no resentment u don't see me complaining, I have an issue with the sense of entitlment... Who made u jesus to bear any crosses? 🤣
    And the defensive stance about being TB?.. if u werent defensive you wouldn't have to clarify that its by choice and everything else that nobody asked...
    I clarified because you're making assumptions about people who are not hitting the Titles yet.
    MY concerns have never been for myself. I believe I've been forthright long enough about it that I don't need to reiterate it here.
    Competition is competition, sure. That doesn't mean it's written in stone that the highest Title elsewhere in the game MUST rank higher in that. That all depends on their performance.
    I didn't make any assumptions.. matter of fact I didn't even criticize TBs.
    And u are right it wasnt written in stone... Until Kabam said straight up... UC and Cavs that made it high in VT or GC.. start making your rosters better...
    Now it is written in stone
    You know, for someone who isn't harboring a resentment, you're sure basking in that comment.
  • Kabam JaxKabam Jax Member, Moderator Posts: 1,718 ★★★★★
    Woah.
    We're going to go ahead and shut this down... it's been going on way too long.
    General reminders:
    • Keep your opinions on the game, not other forum members; target concepts, not people.
    • Be respectful of each other, even when you don't agree.
    • Don't turn threads into a person spat between yourself and another person, this isn't the place for that.
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