Kabam has made it crystal clear

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  • startropicsstartropics Member Posts: 904 ★★★★
    DNA3000 said:

    Compare that to TCN members who did not have their unit stash removed from kabam when they have been using arena bots for years.

    I agree: anyone caught botting the arena should have all arena rewards revoked, including gold and BC. Unfortunately, that hasn't been the policy for arena bans. Yet. However, I will say that I have explicitly advocated for precisely that, directly to the developers, after this latest round of bans.

    Kabam has been slow, very very slow, to come around to escalating punishment for player violations. However, they have been improving in this area. Not as fast as I would like, not as fast as I think most players believe they should, but they have been moving in the right direction if not with the right velocity. The best we can do is continue to advocate for stronger protections for the majority of us who play fair, and hope that the noose tightens around those who don't faster in the future.

    Unfortunately, and this is my own personal interpretation of how Kabam handles this sort of thing, while most of the people involved would prefer stronger protections and harsher penalties, acting upon player accounts in that way is analogous to a human resources problem in a corporation. You'd love to penalize coworkers that misbehave, underperform, act to the detriment of the rest of the company, and you'd think your supervisor or your department head or your division VP could simply act, but while they have authority over much of how the company is run, actions against employees have to go through HR, and HR has its own rules, some of which are imposed upon them by laws and regulations, and some of which are just whatever they feel like, and they have ultimate unappealable authority over discipline and termination of employees.

    Basically, taking things away from players is not just a developer decision. It takes Word of God to happen, and God is essentially an HR committee.
    I genuinely hate to see anyone lose their accounts, but they comparatively embezzled $10 million from company treasury and HR gave them the same slap on the wrist they do for tardy employees, which was basically nothing.
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  • GinjabredMonstaGinjabredMonsta Member, Guardian Posts: 6,482 Guardian
    Huenas said:

    It’s cute folks think this was anything more than show. In fact, some of the botters were probably asking their dev buds at Kascam if they could get a free week off from AQ/AW/BG and still keep all their top ranked rewards.

    Kabam gladly obliged and gave them a gentle boot.

    Folks need to think of these accounts more as customer entertainers. Bars use chicks as promoters, casinos use shills to keep action going on the tables, kabam uses bots and botted Accts to keep scores propped up across all game mode so the patsy’s keep spending to try and keep up.

    Oh and if you spend money on this app and you wonder who the patsy is, I can tell you it’s not the top ranked ally’s that don’t actually use their €$€$ on in app purchases.

    This is all sorts of wrong
  • RonSwansonRonSwanson Member Posts: 1,171 ★★★★
    Huenas said:

    It’s cute folks think this was anything more than show. In fact, some of the botters were probably asking their dev buds at Kascam if they could get a free week off from AQ/AW/BG and still keep all their top ranked rewards.

    Kabam gladly obliged and gave them a gentle boot.

    Folks need to think of these accounts more as customer entertainers. Bars use chicks as promoters, casinos use shills to keep action going on the tables, kabam uses bots and botted Accts to keep scores propped up across all game mode so the patsy’s keep spending to try and keep up.

    Oh and if you spend money on this app and you wonder who the patsy is, I can tell you it’s not the top ranked ally’s that don’t actually use their €$€$ on in app purchases.

    You got that tin foil wrapped a little to tight, might wanna losen it up a bit to let some oxygen in...
  • SyndicatedSyndicated Member Posts: 661 ★★★
    It's a really sad joke that Kabam "ban" people, to give them later resources to recover Lost week of playing lol
  • BigBlueOxBigBlueOx Member Posts: 2,369 ★★★★★

    It's a really sad joke that Kabam "ban" people, to give them later resources to recover Lost week of playing lol

    While unintentional it does seem like that is the end result based on what we’ve been told. As it seems like it’s true the inactive player compensation did not account for bans and we’ve not heard that this will be reversed.
  • AMS94AMS94 Member Posts: 1,776 ★★★★★

    Okay, this is going in all different directions.
    First of all, the Leaderboard isn't always a reflection of whatever actions have been taken.
    Secondly, they don't "allow" cheating based on spending. I wish that conspiracy would die.
    Thirdly, you can't assume every Member is cheating if one or some are caught. There is certainly room for debate in relation to removing their Alliance Points if they're caught, but this idea that they cheated here and used it there etc...isn't something that can be addressed in any kind of specific manner. That's a game of Clue.
    I understand that people are upset that a permanent ban isn't the first response, but let's wait for more information before we scream fire.

    Ofcourse
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  • BigBlueOxBigBlueOx Member Posts: 2,369 ★★★★★
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    BigBlueOx said:

    It's a really sad joke that Kabam "ban" people, to give them later resources to recover Lost week of playing lol

    While unintentional it does seem like that is the end result based on what we’ve been told. As it seems like it’s true the inactive player compensation did not account for bans and we’ve not heard that this will be reversed.
    Getting a little gift is not the problem. Those cheaters stealing 100s of thousands of units, every single new champ, #1 aq rewards every week because of stealing every new champ, masters aw rewards because of unlimited units and best rosters, and top bg rewards since the first season is a bigger issue in my humble opinion.
    I agree, but unfortunately where the line was drawn by Kabam on these infractions was the Moondragon and Adam Warlock arenas, so I’m more or less reforming my statements around that line.

    But if we consider that as where the line was drawn there was impact to AW season 42 and BG season 8, so to me all those points earned up to that point in relation to both seasons should have been forfeit and/or docked into the Stone tier. Especially solo event and alliance event participation points earned by spending elders marks that could be purchased with the botted (aka stolen) units. As rewards have been issued though and in fairness to Kabam they did state that they felt it was a severe and precedent setting move to delete those champs regardless of investment from the cheaters, likely feeling that the matter was settled. So unfortunately I think we are past the point where the actions I’d like to see happen are likely in relation to the stripping/docking of season rewards, which is a shame.

    It was a more realistic expectation to see that oversight of letting those same cheaters getting a care package be addressed, but at this point it doesn’t feel like that will be either.

    In both cases, unfortunately the cheaters seem to have prospered, so we can only hope that this feed back is weighed into stronger actions for the next group of cheaters (likely to be in those same alliances if history repeats itself like it typically does)
  • SyndicatedSyndicated Member Posts: 661 ★★★
    BigBlueOx said:

    It's a really sad joke that Kabam "ban" people, to give them later resources to recover Lost week of playing lol

    While unintentional it does seem like that is the end result based on what we’ve been told. As it seems like it’s true the inactive player compensation did not account for bans and we’ve not heard that this will be reversed.
    I'm not talking about welcome back pack, 20 TCN players were banned and they got first place on Battlegrounds, that sucks.
  • Eternity0Eternity0 Member Posts: 113 ★★

    Okay, this is going in all different directions.
    First of all, the Leaderboard isn't always a reflection of whatever actions have been taken.
    Secondly, they don't "allow" cheating based on spending. I wish that conspiracy would die.
    Thirdly, you can't assume every Member is cheating if one or some are caught. There is certainly room for debate in relation to removing their Alliance Points if they're caught, but this idea that they cheated here and used it there etc...isn't something that can be addressed in any kind of specific manner. That's a game of
    Clue.

    I understand that people are upset that a permanent ban isn't the first response, but let's wait for more information before we scream fire.

    Firstly i don't use forums much so forgive me if i didn’t do this right. Just wanted to know @GroundedWisdom pov here. They half of TCN was boting arena. That's a fact. Lets Just assume for only during this Bg season they were boting. Some great players who didn’t cheat in Bg were ranked top 8 this season but they were arena boting aka breaking Tos. When they were breaking the Tos they were playing for ranking at a competitive mode while scoring points for their ally & themselves. Why didn’t kabam take points off them for cheating in the game during competing in a competitive mode which well no cheaters also spend vast amount of time. Isn't it unfair & unethical? What was your line of thinking when you said "there is room of debate if they were caught then to remove it" They were caught that's why they were banned. Yet the ally point counter whilst they were cheating and im just assuming it for just one season. Not even going years back. Also nothing malicious Against you i hope you take it in the right way. just asking it coming on as if you are defending it for the sake of it.

  • AverageDesiAverageDesi Member Posts: 5,260 ★★★★★
    Eternity0 said:

    Okay, this is going in all different directions.
    First of all, the Leaderboard isn't always a reflection of whatever actions have been taken.
    Secondly, they don't "allow" cheating based on spending. I wish that conspiracy would die.
    Thirdly, you can't assume every Member is cheating if one or some are caught. There is certainly room for debate in relation to removing their Alliance Points if they're caught, but this idea that they cheated here and used it there etc...isn't something that can be addressed in any kind of specific manner. That's a game of
    Clue.

    I understand that people are upset that a permanent ban isn't the first response, but let's wait for more information before we scream fire.

    Firstly i don't use forums much so forgive me if i didn’t do this right. Just wanted to know @GroundedWisdom pov here. They half of TCN was boting arena. That's a fact. Lets Just assume for only during this Bg season they were boting. Some great players who didn’t cheat in Bg were ranked top 8 this season but they were arena boting aka breaking Tos. When they were breaking the Tos they were playing for ranking at a competitive mode while scoring points for their ally & themselves. Why didn’t kabam take points off them for cheating in the game during competing in a competitive mode which well no cheaters also spend vast amount of time. Isn't it unfair & unethical? What was your line of thinking when you said "there is room of debate if they were caught then to remove it" They were caught that's why they were banned. Yet the ally point counter whilst they were cheating and im just assuming it for just one season. Not even going years back. Also nothing malicious Against you i hope you take it in the right way. just asking it coming on as if you are defending it for the sake of it.

    The answer to why there isn't harsher measure was answered by DNA3000
  • AverageDesiAverageDesi Member Posts: 5,260 ★★★★★
    DNA3000 said:

    Compare that to TCN members who did not have their unit stash removed from kabam when they have been using arena bots for years.

    I agree: anyone caught botting the arena should have all arena rewards revoked, including gold and BC. Unfortunately, that hasn't been the policy for arena bans. Yet. However, I will say that I have explicitly advocated for precisely that, directly to the developers, after this latest round of bans.

    Kabam has been slow, very very slow, to come around to escalating punishment for player violations. However, they have been improving in this area. Not as fast as I would like, not as fast as I think most players believe they should, but they have been moving in the right direction if not with the right velocity. The best we can do is continue to advocate for stronger protections for the majority of us who play fair, and hope that the noose tightens around those who don't faster in the future.

    Unfortunately, and this is my own personal interpretation of how Kabam handles this sort of thing, while most of the people involved would prefer stronger protections and harsher penalties, acting upon player accounts in that way is analogous to a human resources problem in a corporation. You'd love to penalize coworkers that misbehave, underperform, act to the detriment of the rest of the company, and you'd think your supervisor or your department head or your division VP could simply act, but while they have authority over much of how the company is run, actions against employees have to go through HR, and HR has its own rules, some of which are imposed upon them by laws and regulations, and some of which are just whatever they feel like, and they have ultimate unappealable authority over discipline and termination of employees.

    Basically, taking things away from players is not just a developer decision. It takes Word of God to happen, and God is essentially an HR committee.
    @Eternity0
  • Eternity0Eternity0 Member Posts: 113 ★★
    I saw what dna said mate. I just asked @GroundedWisdom 😅 kinda seemed taking their side on this. Again texts can be misleading & misinterpreted easily.
  • AverageDemonicWisdomAverageDemonicWisdom Member Posts: 4
    Don't 'Bite the Hand That Feeds You'
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