I wonder how many people was already doing this prior to this month but because of the extra rewards this month people are now starting to notice it 🤔.
There is no Manipulating going on with this method in my eyes.
If this isn't what they want then they need to reevaluate the whole VT of BGs.
You mean people camping out for easy Wins? I highly doubt that's what they want. How is that a competition? Much less fair to the Players being pecked off. I've heard that justification countless times. "If they allow it then it's fair."
There are also players being propelled forward who probably don't deserve it. So it's balanced in a way I guess? If those low accounts play enough they will also face the big guys who need to forfeit to stay in that tier. So they will eventually get out since win = gain 2 and lose = lose 1.
How many lower accounts do you figure are lucky enough to hit 3-4 energy tanking matches in a row? I am guessing not many. I highly doubt these lower accounts are getting pushed up levels as you claim.
You have 3 groups active at any time: - the summoners playing the mode straight up - Sandbaggers using elders marks - Sandbaggers using energy to lose
They are going to get wrecked in 2 out of 3 in those scenarios.
Things have shifted.. The so called Pay to win players are actually trying not to spend units and maximize their return on elder marks... The so called F2P players, UC/Cav that were catered are getting even further up the VT and getting more rewards with a deterrent... Its been only the 1 week... Getting their onbjectives done the rest of the season will be a nightmare...(lol) Catered matches for 5 or 6 seasons.. being farmed for just 1 season... I really don't see a problem at all..
To be clear, I've forfeited many times. Difference is, it was because I knew I was beaten, or I knew the Roster was too stacked. The issue is complex because how do you distinguish the fair play from the unfair play and take some kind of action against it. I just personally have no tolerance for people taking advantage of the system or others. There's a difference between trying to progress, and just trying to milk the system.
I wonder how many people was already doing this prior to this month but because of the extra rewards this month people are now starting to notice it 🤔.
There is no Manipulating going on with this method in my eyes.
If this isn't what they want then they need to reevaluate the whole VT of BGs.
You mean people camping out for easy Wins? I highly doubt that's what they want. How is that a competition? Much less fair to the Players being pecked off. I've heard that justification countless times. "If they allow it then it's fair."
There are also players being propelled forward who probably don't deserve it. So it's balanced in a way I guess? If those low accounts play enough they will also face the big guys who need to forfeit to stay in that tier. So they will eventually get out since win = gain 2 and lose = lose 1.
How many lower accounts do you figure are lucky enough to hit 3-4 energy tanking matches in a row? I am guessing not many. I highly doubt these lower accounts are getting pushed up levels as you claim.
You have 3 groups active at any time: - the summoners playing the mode straight up - Sandbaggers using elders marks - Sandbaggers using energy to lose
They are going to get wrecked in 2 out of 3 in those scenarios.
They should have been wrecked since Bronze.. but the system was fixed to saved them from it until Plat... Kabam is the one who decided to put the small fish in a barrel...
I wonder how many people was already doing this prior to this month but because of the extra rewards this month people are now starting to notice it 🤔.
There is no Manipulating going on with this method in my eyes.
If this isn't what they want then they need to reevaluate the whole VT of BGs.
You mean people camping out for easy Wins? I highly doubt that's what they want. How is that a competition? Much less fair to the Players being pecked off. I've heard that justification countless times. "If they allow it then it's fair."
There are also players being propelled forward who probably don't deserve it. So it's balanced in a way I guess? If those low accounts play enough they will also face the big guys who need to forfeit to stay in that tier. So they will eventually get out since win = gain 2 and lose = lose 1.
There are no winners in that. People who haven't earned the Wins are being pushed up, some to their own frustration because they hit real competition after that. The people getting pecked off are not being helped. The "peckers" aren't earning their Rewards fairly either. Then Kabam has to look at ways to prevent it that affect the entire system. There is no good that comes from manipulating the Matchmaking.
You mean people who have hit their ceiling and wouldn't gain more rewards are now able to earn more rewards. It might cause frustrarion but they also get more rewards than they should. The "peckers" are also fighting big accounts in that bracket so tey aren't 100% stomping on small accounts.
Read my other 2 big comments in this thread then come back to this, I explain it more clearly there.
But overall I agree that camping shouldn't be the solution but that's what you get when you have a competitive ladder system with diminishing win rate the higher you go and solo/alliance event that award more points for wins.
I don't call that a ceiling. Being byed into the next Tier so Players can grab easy Wins is not a ceiling. It's a bastardizaton of the system. You have lower Players being pecked off in that Tier, and lower Players being pecked off from the byes further up. I find it interesting how there are all the justifications in the world for taking advantage of the system.
If they are getting pecked off by big accounts that means they are facing those big accounts anyway and will have trouble moving to the next tier. That's the ceiling im speaking off. The one that conquerer/unc/cav players have been complaining about because they face big rosters with their small roster.
I wonder how many people was already doing this prior to this month but because of the extra rewards this month people are now starting to notice it 🤔.
There is no Manipulating going on with this method in my eyes.
If this isn't what they want then they need to reevaluate the whole VT of BGs.
You mean people camping out for easy Wins? I highly doubt that's what they want. How is that a competition? Much less fair to the Players being pecked off. I've heard that justification countless times. "If they allow it then it's fair."
There are also players being propelled forward who probably don't deserve it. So it's balanced in a way I guess? If those low accounts play enough they will also face the big guys who need to forfeit to stay in that tier. So they will eventually get out since win = gain 2 and lose = lose 1.
There are no winners in that. People who haven't earned the Wins are being pushed up, some to their own frustration because they hit real competition after that. The people getting pecked off are not being helped. The "peckers" aren't earning their Rewards fairly either. Then Kabam has to look at ways to prevent it that affect the entire system. There is no good that comes from manipulating the Matchmaking.
I was led to believe that if you best the opponent Kamam assigned you then you've earned the rewards. Was the person who said that wrong?
I don't see the issue. You're giving people free wins, some of which would have 0 chance to beat you. What, exactly, is wrong with that?
I thought the same thing, it's almost as though some are playing it properly to grind their points where others are working smarter and getting the same points for less effort. Bitterness 🤷♂️
People just don't like strategy. Is there gonna be a thread made about throwing the second fight to ensure you win the third? Shouldn't that be considered cheating too?
If you can’t find the deficiencies in that analogy, I don’t know what to tell you.
Please explain it to me.
For starters…. You both entered the match to win. If you lose a round on purpose to burn a defender and set yourself to ultimately when 2 of 3… that’s within the spirit of the match to ultimately succeed. No one is entering the match with the intent to not advance.
This is opposed to you entering a match with elders marks against someone with a lesser account with elders marks so that you can destroy them when you should have advanced out of that ranking long ago. For the next 3 matches you will tank with energy and start the process all over again.
The former is winning a match which is the point. The other is sandbagging and exploiting matchmaking to the detriment of other summoners in various ways.
(I am assuming you weren’t being obtuse when you asked to explain why your analogy fails).
Are you able to choose your opponent before selecting Marks or Energy to enter the fight?
I wonder how many people was already doing this prior to this month but because of the extra rewards this month people are now starting to notice it 🤔.
There is no Manipulating going on with this method in my eyes.
If this isn't what they want then they need to reevaluate the whole VT of BGs.
You mean people camping out for easy Wins? I highly doubt that's what they want. How is that a competition? Much less fair to the Players being pecked off. I've heard that justification countless times. "If they allow it then it's fair."
There are also players being propelled forward who probably don't deserve it. So it's balanced in a way I guess? If those low accounts play enough they will also face the big guys who need to forfeit to stay in that tier. So they will eventually get out since win = gain 2 and lose = lose 1.
How many lower accounts do you figure are lucky enough to hit 3-4 energy tanking matches in a row? I am guessing not many. I highly doubt these lower accounts are getting pushed up levels as you claim.
You have 3 groups active at any time: - the summoners playing the mode straight up - Sandbaggers using elders marks - Sandbaggers using energy to lose
They are going to get wrecked in 2 out of 3 in those scenarios.
They should have been wrecked since Bronze.. but the system was fixed to saved them from it until Plat... Kabam is the one who decided to put the small fish in a barrel...
So beat them up on the way to GC. The farming method, you guys would be doing the same thing to them in bronze. You have no moral high ground on this line of argument
I don't see the issue. You're giving people free wins, some of which would have 0 chance to beat you. What, exactly, is wrong with that?
I thought the same thing, it's almost as though some are playing it properly to grind their points where others are working smarter and getting the same points for less effort. Bitterness 🤷♂️
People just don't like strategy. Is there gonna be a thread made about throwing the second fight to ensure you win the third? Shouldn't that be considered cheating too?
If you can’t find the deficiencies in that analogy, I don’t know what to tell you.
Please explain it to me.
For starters…. You both entered the match to win. If you lose a round on purpose to burn a defender and set yourself to ultimately when 2 of 3… that’s within the spirit of the match to ultimately succeed. No one is entering the match with the intent to not advance.
This is opposed to you entering a match with elders marks against someone with a lesser account with elders marks so that you can destroy them when you should have advanced out of that ranking long ago. For the next 3 matches you will tank with energy and start the process all over again.
The former is winning a match which is the point. The other is sandbagging and exploiting matchmaking to the detriment of other summoners in various ways.
(I am assuming you weren’t being obtuse when you asked to explain why your analogy fails).
I noticed you replied here but didn't on my reply. I'm curious to hear what you think because you don't choose who you match when selecting energy vs elder marks and you keep using a faux term "spirit of competition/the match".
I wonder how many people was already doing this prior to this month but because of the extra rewards this month people are now starting to notice it 🤔.
There is no Manipulating going on with this method in my eyes.
If this isn't what they want then they need to reevaluate the whole VT of BGs.
You mean people camping out for easy Wins? I highly doubt that's what they want. How is that a competition? Much less fair to the Players being pecked off. I've heard that justification countless times. "If they allow it then it's fair."
There are also players being propelled forward who probably don't deserve it. So it's balanced in a way I guess? If those low accounts play enough they will also face the big guys who need to forfeit to stay in that tier. So they will eventually get out since win = gain 2 and lose = lose 1.
How many lower accounts do you figure are lucky enough to hit 3-4 energy tanking matches in a row? I am guessing not many. I highly doubt these lower accounts are getting pushed up levels as you claim.
You have 3 groups active at any time: - the summoners playing the mode straight up - Sandbaggers using elders marks - Sandbaggers using energy to lose
They are going to get wrecked in 2 out of 3 in those scenarios.
Tell that to my alli mates who acvidently got pushed into GC when they weren't fast enough in forfeiting. It's not a simple 2/3 because using energy to forfeit = double using elder marks to win.
I wonder how many people was already doing this prior to this month but because of the extra rewards this month people are now starting to notice it 🤔.
There is no Manipulating going on with this method in my eyes.
If this isn't what they want then they need to reevaluate the whole VT of BGs.
You mean people camping out for easy Wins? I highly doubt that's what they want. How is that a competition? Much less fair to the Players being pecked off. I've heard that justification countless times. "If they allow it then it's fair."
There are also players being propelled forward who probably don't deserve it. So it's balanced in a way I guess? If those low accounts play enough they will also face the big guys who need to forfeit to stay in that tier. So they will eventually get out since win = gain 2 and lose = lose 1.
There are no winners in that. People who haven't earned the Wins are being pushed up, some to their own frustration because they hit real competition after that. The people getting pecked off are not being helped. The "peckers" aren't earning their Rewards fairly either. Then Kabam has to look at ways to prevent it that affect the entire system. There is no good that comes from manipulating the Matchmaking.
I was led to believe that if you best the opponent Kamam assigned you then you've earned the rewards. Was the person who said that wrong?
Maybe if that system reflected the actual ability through the results. Not faking the skill level for easy prey.
It seems a lot of people are losing a bunch of matches on purpose with energy and then getting easy wins with elder marks pretty much since there's no prestige based matchmaking on Diamond leagues. Thoughts? Should Kabam do something about it yes or no? Why?
I wonder how many people was already doing this prior to this month but because of the extra rewards this month people are now starting to notice it 🤔.
There is no Manipulating going on with this method in my eyes.
If this isn't what they want then they need to reevaluate the whole VT of BGs.
You mean people camping out for easy Wins? I highly doubt that's what they want. How is that a competition? Much less fair to the Players being pecked off. I've heard that justification countless times. "If they allow it then it's fair."
There are also players being propelled forward who probably don't deserve it. So it's balanced in a way I guess? If those low accounts play enough they will also face the big guys who need to forfeit to stay in that tier. So they will eventually get out since win = gain 2 and lose = lose 1.
How many lower accounts do you figure are lucky enough to hit 3-4 energy tanking matches in a row? I am guessing not many. I highly doubt these lower accounts are getting pushed up levels as you claim.
You have 3 groups active at any time: - the summoners playing the mode straight up - Sandbaggers using elders marks - Sandbaggers using energy to lose
They are going to get wrecked in 2 out of 3 in those scenarios.
They should have been wrecked since Bronze.. but the system was fixed to saved them from it until Plat... Kabam is the one who decided to put the small fish in a barrel...
So beat them up on the way to GC. The farming method, you guys would be doing the same thing to them in bronze. You have no moral high ground on this line of argument
Who said i was argueing moral high ground?... Fixing up tiers up to play is inmoral from the get go... And it happened for many seasons and it will keep on happening on future ones... People are taking advantage of this system for 1 season... Maximizing their return on elder mark use... 1- its a system they created.. 2- its 1 season only where it matters.. 3- In a monetized/capitalized game like this there is no morals.. its just resource management...
It seems a lot of people are losing a bunch of matches on purpose with energy and then getting easy wins with elder marks pretty much since there's no prestige based matchmaking on Diamond leagues. Thoughts? Should Kabam do something about it yes or no? Why?
I love it when the other person quits, LOL.
You might have come up against me on a bad Match. Hahaha. You're welcome. 😜
I wonder how many people was already doing this prior to this month but because of the extra rewards this month people are now starting to notice it 🤔.
There is no Manipulating going on with this method in my eyes.
If this isn't what they want then they need to reevaluate the whole VT of BGs.
You mean people camping out for easy Wins? I highly doubt that's what they want. How is that a competition? Much less fair to the Players being pecked off. I've heard that justification countless times. "If they allow it then it's fair."
There are also players being propelled forward who probably don't deserve it. So it's balanced in a way I guess? If those low accounts play enough they will also face the big guys who need to forfeit to stay in that tier. So they will eventually get out since win = gain 2 and lose = lose 1.
There are no winners in that. People who haven't earned the Wins are being pushed up, some to their own frustration because they hit real competition after that. The people getting pecked off are not being helped. The "peckers" aren't earning their Rewards fairly either. Then Kabam has to look at ways to prevent it that affect the entire system. There is no good that comes from manipulating the Matchmaking.
I was led to believe that if you best the opponent Kamam assigned you then you've earned the rewards. Was the person who said that wrong?
Maybe if that system reflected the actual ability through the results. Not faking the skill level for easy prey.
What, exactly, do you mean by "faking the skill level for easy prey"? Kabam picks the matches and if you win you "earn" the rewards, right?
I wonder how many people was already doing this prior to this month but because of the extra rewards this month people are now starting to notice it 🤔.
There is no Manipulating going on with this method in my eyes.
If this isn't what they want then they need to reevaluate the whole VT of BGs.
You mean people camping out for easy Wins? I highly doubt that's what they want. How is that a competition? Much less fair to the Players being pecked off. I've heard that justification countless times. "If they allow it then it's fair."
There are also players being propelled forward who probably don't deserve it. So it's balanced in a way I guess? If those low accounts play enough they will also face the big guys who need to forfeit to stay in that tier. So they will eventually get out since win = gain 2 and lose = lose 1.
How many lower accounts do you figure are lucky enough to hit 3-4 energy tanking matches in a row? I am guessing not many. I highly doubt these lower accounts are getting pushed up levels as you claim.
You have 3 groups active at any time: - the summoners playing the mode straight up - Sandbaggers using elders marks - Sandbaggers using energy to lose
They are going to get wrecked in 2 out of 3 in those scenarios.
They should have been wrecked since Bronze.. but the system was fixed to saved them from it until Plat... Kabam is the one who decided to put the small fish in a barrel...
So beat them up on the way to GC. The farming method, you guys would be doing the same thing to them in bronze. You have no moral high ground on this line of argument
Who said i was argueing moral high ground?... Fixing up tiers up to play is inmoral from the get go... And it happened for many seasons and it will keep on happening on future ones... People are taking advantage of this system for 1 season... Maximizing their return on elder mark use... 1- its a system they created.. 2- its 1 season only where it matters.. 3- In a monetized/capitalized game like this there is no morals.. its just resource management...
I do love that this is an issue because it's happening in the tier where Kabam removes the prestige matchmaking and gives fair random matches. If Paragons didn't have to spend 15 tiers facing nothing but 17k+ matches they wouldn't need to farm.
I wonder how many people was already doing this prior to this month but because of the extra rewards this month people are now starting to notice it 🤔.
There is no Manipulating going on with this method in my eyes.
If this isn't what they want then they need to reevaluate the whole VT of BGs.
You mean people camping out for easy Wins? I highly doubt that's what they want. How is that a competition? Much less fair to the Players being pecked off. I've heard that justification countless times. "If they allow it then it's fair."
There are also players being propelled forward who probably don't deserve it. So it's balanced in a way I guess? If those low accounts play enough they will also face the big guys who need to forfeit to stay in that tier. So they will eventually get out since win = gain 2 and lose = lose 1.
There are no winners in that. People who haven't earned the Wins are being pushed up, some to their own frustration because they hit real competition after that. The people getting pecked off are not being helped. The "peckers" aren't earning their Rewards fairly either. Then Kabam has to look at ways to prevent it that affect the entire system. There is no good that comes from manipulating the Matchmaking.
I was led to believe that if you best the opponent Kamam assigned you then you've earned the rewards. Was the person who said that wrong?
Maybe if that system reflected the actual ability through the results. Not faking the skill level for easy prey.
What, exactly, do you mean by "faking the skill level for easy prey"? Kabam picks the matches and if you win you "earn" the rewards, right?
I know when someone is being flippant. I'm sure I was clear about what I'm talking about, and the reasons it's a problem. Manipulating Matches is shady, and it affects the system. The fact that people are still justifying it after the adjustments we've gone through just shows the persistence some have to cheat the system.
I don't see the issue. You're giving people free wins, some of which would have 0 chance to beat you. What, exactly, is wrong with that?
I thought the same thing, it's almost as though some are playing it properly to grind their points where others are working smarter and getting the same points for less effort. Bitterness 🤷♂️
People just don't like strategy. Is there gonna be a thread made about throwing the second fight to ensure you win the third? Shouldn't that be considered cheating too?
If you can’t find the deficiencies in that analogy, I don’t know what to tell you.
Please explain it to me.
For starters…. You both entered the match to win. If you lose a round on purpose to burn a defender and set yourself to ultimately when 2 of 3… that’s within the spirit of the match to ultimately succeed. No one is entering the match with the intent to not advance.
This is opposed to you entering a match with elders marks against someone with a lesser account with elders marks so that you can destroy them when you should have advanced out of that ranking long ago. For the next 3 matches you will tank with energy and start the process all over again.
The former is winning a match which is the point. The other is sandbagging and exploiting matchmaking to the detriment of other summoners in various ways.
(I am assuming you weren’t being obtuse when you asked to explain why your analogy fails).
I noticed you replied here but didn't on my reply. I'm curious to hear what you think because you don't choose who you match when selecting energy vs elder marks and you keep using a faux term "spirit of competition/the match".
Is it really a faux term? You said so yourself in your previous post that this isn’t want Kabam “intended” - anyone off the street looking at the mode would conclude that the goal is to advance through the levels via competition and winning. Farming is purposefully losing. Can you see where kabam has put that forward as a strategy? Or just in mobile gaming or any game in general…. Is there a legitimate competition where you want to lose on purpose to win?
Maybe when declaring income to get ia lower tax burden, but I think we all really know what “spirit of competition” is..
Some of you are acting like these massive whales accounts are doing this. People who do this can't get to GC because they lack skill or roster or both. So if you have some skill you should be able to push past if not then you are where you're meant to be. It's really not that big of a deal.
I don't see the issue. You're giving people free wins, some of which would have 0 chance to beat you. What, exactly, is wrong with that?
I thought the same thing, it's almost as though some are playing it properly to grind their points where others are working smarter and getting the same points for less effort. Bitterness 🤷♂️
People just don't like strategy. Is there gonna be a thread made about throwing the second fight to ensure you win the third? Shouldn't that be considered cheating too?
If you can’t find the deficiencies in that analogy, I don’t know what to tell you.
Please explain it to me.
For starters…. You both entered the match to win. If you lose a round on purpose to burn a defender and set yourself to ultimately when 2 of 3… that’s within the spirit of the match to ultimately succeed. No one is entering the match with the intent to not advance.
This is opposed to you entering a match with elders marks against someone with a lesser account with elders marks so that you can destroy them when you should have advanced out of that ranking long ago. For the next 3 matches you will tank with energy and start the process all over again.
The former is winning a match which is the point. The other is sandbagging and exploiting matchmaking to the detriment of other summoners in various ways.
(I am assuming you weren’t being obtuse when you asked to explain why your analogy fails).
I noticed you replied here but didn't on my reply. I'm curious to hear what you think because you don't choose who you match when selecting energy vs elder marks and you keep using a faux term "spirit of competition/the match".
Is it really a faux term? You said so yourself in your previous post that this isn’t want Kabam “intended” - anyone off the street looking at the mode would conclude that the goal is to advance through the levels via competition and winning. Farming is purposefully losing. Can you see where kabam has put that forward as a strategy? Or just in mobile gaming or any game in general…. Is there a legitimate competition where you want to lose on purpose to win?
Maybe when declaring income to get ia lower tax burden, but I think we all really know what “spirit of competition” is..
I wonder how many people was already doing this prior to this month but because of the extra rewards this month people are now starting to notice it 🤔.
There is no Manipulating going on with this method in my eyes.
If this isn't what they want then they need to reevaluate the whole VT of BGs.
You mean people camping out for easy Wins? I highly doubt that's what they want. How is that a competition? Much less fair to the Players being pecked off. I've heard that justification countless times. "If they allow it then it's fair."
There are also players being propelled forward who probably don't deserve it. So it's balanced in a way I guess? If those low accounts play enough they will also face the big guys who need to forfeit to stay in that tier. So they will eventually get out since win = gain 2 and lose = lose 1.
There are no winners in that. People who haven't earned the Wins are being pushed up, some to their own frustration because they hit real competition after that. The people getting pecked off are not being helped. The "peckers" aren't earning their Rewards fairly either. Then Kabam has to look at ways to prevent it that affect the entire system. There is no good that comes from manipulating the Matchmaking.
I was led to believe that if you best the opponent Kamam assigned you then you've earned the rewards. Was the person who said that wrong?
Maybe if that system reflected the actual ability through the results. Not faking the skill level for easy prey.
What, exactly, do you mean by "faking the skill level for easy prey"? Kabam picks the matches and if you win you "earn" the rewards, right?
I know when someone is being flippant. I'm sure I was clear about what I'm talking about, and the reasons it's a problem. Manipulating Matches is shady, and it affects the system. The fact that people are still justifying it after the adjustments we've gone through just shows the persistence some have to cheat the system.
Did you post your opposition to this type of manipulation in the Santa Bagging thread?
I don't see the issue. You're giving people free wins, some of which would have 0 chance to beat you. What, exactly, is wrong with that?
I thought the same thing, it's almost as though some are playing it properly to grind their points where others are working smarter and getting the same points for less effort. Bitterness 🤷♂️
People just don't like strategy. Is there gonna be a thread made about throwing the second fight to ensure you win the third? Shouldn't that be considered cheating too?
If you can’t find the deficiencies in that analogy, I don’t know what to tell you.
Please explain it to me.
For starters…. You both entered the match to win. If you lose a round on purpose to burn a defender and set yourself to ultimately when 2 of 3… that’s within the spirit of the match to ultimately succeed. No one is entering the match with the intent to not advance.
This is opposed to you entering a match with elders marks against someone with a lesser account with elders marks so that you can destroy them when you should have advanced out of that ranking long ago. For the next 3 matches you will tank with energy and start the process all over again.
The former is winning a match which is the point. The other is sandbagging and exploiting matchmaking to the detriment of other summoners in various ways.
(I am assuming you weren’t being obtuse when you asked to explain why your analogy fails).
I noticed you replied here but didn't on my reply. I'm curious to hear what you think because you don't choose who you match when selecting energy vs elder marks and you keep using a faux term "spirit of competition/the match".
Is it really a faux term? You said so yourself in your previous post that this isn’t want Kabam “intended” - anyone off the street looking at the mode would conclude that the goal is to advance through the levels via competition and winning. Farming is purposefully losing. Can you see where kabam has put that forward as a strategy? Or just in mobile gaming or any game in general…. Is there a legitimate competition where you want to lose on purpose to win?
Maybe when declaring income to get ia lower tax burden, but I think we all really know what “spirit of competition” is..
When hero use event is on, I put a team of 7* and auto fight RTTL 4 times to get all the milestones. Do you think it’s cheating/not in the spirit of the game of competition? If kabam puts juicy milestone rewards, people use strategy to get those rewards. No one is being harmed in this. And I guess you were not on the forums when people kept harping about GC being the true competition when they were defending the flawed account strength based matchmaking system.
To me, it’s not a problem because there really isn’t a victim. The tiers of the solo reward event are negligibly different from each other.
This really does make it clear that the solo event additions were poorly designed. There should’ve been a work around, fast track or bonus points for people who reached GC.
I don't see the issue. You're giving people free wins, some of which would have 0 chance to beat you. What, exactly, is wrong with that?
I thought the same thing, it's almost as though some are playing it properly to grind their points where others are working smarter and getting the same points for less effort. Bitterness 🤷♂️
People just don't like strategy. Is there gonna be a thread made about throwing the second fight to ensure you win the third? Shouldn't that be considered cheating too?
If you can’t find the deficiencies in that analogy, I don’t know what to tell you.
Please explain it to me.
For starters…. You both entered the match to win. If you lose a round on purpose to burn a defender and set yourself to ultimately when 2 of 3… that’s within the spirit of the match to ultimately succeed. No one is entering the match with the intent to not advance.
This is opposed to you entering a match with elders marks against someone with a lesser account with elders marks so that you can destroy them when you should have advanced out of that ranking long ago. For the next 3 matches you will tank with energy and start the process all over again.
The former is winning a match which is the point. The other is sandbagging and exploiting matchmaking to the detriment of other summoners in various ways.
(I am assuming you weren’t being obtuse when you asked to explain why your analogy fails).
I noticed you replied here but didn't on my reply. I'm curious to hear what you think because you don't choose who you match when selecting energy vs elder marks and you keep using a faux term "spirit of competition/the match".
Is it really a faux term? You said so yourself in your previous post that this isn’t want Kabam “intended” - anyone off the street looking at the mode would conclude that the goal is to advance through the levels via competition and winning. Farming is purposefully losing. Can you see where kabam has put that forward as a strategy? Or just in mobile gaming or any game in general…. Is there a legitimate competition where you want to lose on purpose to win?
Maybe when declaring income to get ia lower tax burden, but I think we all really know what “spirit of competition” is..
So doesn't that spirit of competition also apply to the solo and alliance events with ranked rewards?
I wonder how many people was already doing this prior to this month but because of the extra rewards this month people are now starting to notice it 🤔.
There is no Manipulating going on with this method in my eyes.
If this isn't what they want then they need to reevaluate the whole VT of BGs.
You mean people camping out for easy Wins? I highly doubt that's what they want. How is that a competition? Much less fair to the Players being pecked off. I've heard that justification countless times. "If they allow it then it's fair."
There are also players being propelled forward who probably don't deserve it. So it's balanced in a way I guess? If those low accounts play enough they will also face the big guys who need to forfeit to stay in that tier. So they will eventually get out since win = gain 2 and lose = lose 1.
How many lower accounts do you figure are lucky enough to hit 3-4 energy tanking matches in a row? I am guessing not many. I highly doubt these lower accounts are getting pushed up levels as you claim.
You have 3 groups active at any time: - the summoners playing the mode straight up - Sandbaggers using elders marks - Sandbaggers using energy to lose
They are going to get wrecked in 2 out of 3 in those scenarios.
They should have been wrecked since Bronze.. but the system was fixed to saved them from it until Plat... Kabam is the one who decided to put the small fish in a barrel...
So beat them up on the way to GC. The farming method, you guys would be doing the same thing to them in bronze. You have no moral high ground on this line of argument
Who said i was argueing moral high ground?... Fixing up tiers up to play is inmoral from the get go... And it happened for many seasons and it will keep on happening on future ones... People are taking advantage of this system for 1 season... Maximizing their return on elder mark use... 1- its a system they created.. 2- its 1 season only where it matters.. 3- In a monetized/capitalized game like this there is no morals.. its just resource management...
I do love that this is an issue because it's happening in the tier where Kabam removes the prestige matchmaking and gives fair random matches. If Paragons didn't have to spend 15 tiers facing nothing but 17k+ matches they wouldn't need to farm.
Exactly my point... There is a big difference between being the small fish in the sea and being a fish in a barrel... Kabam created this barrel. I don't understand why people are upset about this when its only for 1 season and IT HAS NOTHING to do with the competition or PVP... Its being done to maximize points or minimum requirements set by alliances to get rewards... After the points are reached people are gonna move on, also the fact that those accounts with "disadvantage" are being given free points for their milestones...
To me, it’s not a problem because there really isn’t a victim. The tiers of the solo reward event are negligibly different from each other.
This really does make it clear that the solo event additions were poorly designed. There should’ve been a work around, fast track or bonus points for people who reached GC.
How so? You don't stop once you reach GC. I'm in gc got 525k in solo. People who are farming can't reach GC.
I don't see the issue. You're giving people free wins, some of which would have 0 chance to beat you. What, exactly, is wrong with that?
I thought the same thing, it's almost as though some are playing it properly to grind their points where others are working smarter and getting the same points for less effort. Bitterness 🤷♂️
People just don't like strategy. Is there gonna be a thread made about throwing the second fight to ensure you win the third? Shouldn't that be considered cheating too?
If you can’t find the deficiencies in that analogy, I don’t know what to tell you.
Please explain it to me.
For starters…. You both entered the match to win. If you lose a round on purpose to burn a defender and set yourself to ultimately when 2 of 3… that’s within the spirit of the match to ultimately succeed. No one is entering the match with the intent to not advance.
This is opposed to you entering a match with elders marks against someone with a lesser account with elders marks so that you can destroy them when you should have advanced out of that ranking long ago. For the next 3 matches you will tank with energy and start the process all over again.
The former is winning a match which is the point. The other is sandbagging and exploiting matchmaking to the detriment of other summoners in various ways.
(I am assuming you weren’t being obtuse when you asked to explain why your analogy fails).
I noticed you replied here but didn't on my reply. I'm curious to hear what you think because you don't choose who you match when selecting energy vs elder marks and you keep using a faux term "spirit of competition/the match".
Is it really a faux term? You said so yourself in your previous post that this isn’t want Kabam “intended” - anyone off the street looking at the mode would conclude that the goal is to advance through the levels via competition and winning. Farming is purposefully losing. Can you see where kabam has put that forward as a strategy? Or just in mobile gaming or any game in general…. Is there a legitimate competition where you want to lose on purpose to win?
Maybe when declaring income to get ia lower tax burden, but I think we all really know what “spirit of competition” is..
Solo and alliance milestone awards have no impact on the PVP competition itself...
To me, it’s not a problem because there really isn’t a victim. The tiers of the solo reward event are negligibly different from each other.
This really does make it clear that the solo event additions were poorly designed. There should’ve been a work around, fast track or bonus points for people who reached GC.
How so? You don't stop once you reach GC. I'm in gc got 525k in solo. People who are farming can't reach GC.
That's a players choice.. due to this poor design alliances have set a minimum requirement.. mostly at 400k... If you are in GC at 525k points and still using elder marks that a choice u made.. I rather save them for next season and use energy in GC
I don't see the issue. You're giving people free wins, some of which would have 0 chance to beat you. What, exactly, is wrong with that?
I thought the same thing, it's almost as though some are playing it properly to grind their points where others are working smarter and getting the same points for less effort. Bitterness 🤷♂️
People just don't like strategy. Is there gonna be a thread made about throwing the second fight to ensure you win the third? Shouldn't that be considered cheating too?
If you can’t find the deficiencies in that analogy, I don’t know what to tell you.
Please explain it to me.
For starters…. You both entered the match to win. If you lose a round on purpose to burn a defender and set yourself to ultimately when 2 of 3… that’s within the spirit of the match to ultimately succeed. No one is entering the match with the intent to not advance.
This is opposed to you entering a match with elders marks against someone with a lesser account with elders marks so that you can destroy them when you should have advanced out of that ranking long ago. For the next 3 matches you will tank with energy and start the process all over again.
The former is winning a match which is the point. The other is sandbagging and exploiting matchmaking to the detriment of other summoners in various ways.
(I am assuming you weren’t being obtuse when you asked to explain why your analogy fails).
I noticed you replied here but didn't on my reply. I'm curious to hear what you think because you don't choose who you match when selecting energy vs elder marks and you keep using a faux term "spirit of competition/the match".
Is it really a faux term? You said so yourself in your previous post that this isn’t want Kabam “intended” - anyone off the street looking at the mode would conclude that the goal is to advance through the levels via competition and winning. Farming is purposefully losing. Can you see where kabam has put that forward as a strategy? Or just in mobile gaming or any game in general…. Is there a legitimate competition where you want to lose on purpose to win?
Maybe when declaring income to get ia lower tax burden, but I think we all really know what “spirit of competition” is..
So doesn't that spirit of competition also apply to the solo and alliance events with ranked rewards?
Which can be achieved through winning with elders marks, energy, advancing and grinding … or through losing on purpose to make sure you never advance as you take advantage of an exploit to make your life easier. Pretty obvious the latter doesn’t fall into that definition…. Which is why we have multiple pages of forum posts justifying it via other criteria to make the farmers/Sandbaggers feel better.
I don't see the issue. You're giving people free wins, some of which would have 0 chance to beat you. What, exactly, is wrong with that?
I thought the same thing, it's almost as though some are playing it properly to grind their points where others are working smarter and getting the same points for less effort. Bitterness 🤷♂️
People just don't like strategy. Is there gonna be a thread made about throwing the second fight to ensure you win the third? Shouldn't that be considered cheating too?
If you can’t find the deficiencies in that analogy, I don’t know what to tell you.
Please explain it to me.
For starters…. You both entered the match to win. If you lose a round on purpose to burn a defender and set yourself to ultimately when 2 of 3… that’s within the spirit of the match to ultimately succeed. No one is entering the match with the intent to not advance.
This is opposed to you entering a match with elders marks against someone with a lesser account with elders marks so that you can destroy them when you should have advanced out of that ranking long ago. For the next 3 matches you will tank with energy and start the process all over again.
The former is winning a match which is the point. The other is sandbagging and exploiting matchmaking to the detriment of other summoners in various ways.
(I am assuming you weren’t being obtuse when you asked to explain why your analogy fails).
I noticed you replied here but didn't on my reply. I'm curious to hear what you think because you don't choose who you match when selecting energy vs elder marks and you keep using a faux term "spirit of competition/the match".
Is it really a faux term? You said so yourself in your previous post that this isn’t want Kabam “intended” - anyone off the street looking at the mode would conclude that the goal is to advance through the levels via competition and winning. Farming is purposefully losing. Can you see where kabam has put that forward as a strategy? Or just in mobile gaming or any game in general…. Is there a legitimate competition where you want to lose on purpose to win?
Maybe when declaring income to get ia lower tax burden, but I think we all really know what “spirit of competition” is..
So doesn't that spirit of competition also apply to the solo and alliance events with ranked rewards?
Which can be achieved through winning with elders marks, energy, advancing and grinding … or through losing on purpose to make sure you never advance as you take advantage of an exploit to make your life easier. Pretty obvious the latter doesn’t fall into that definition…. Which is why we have multiple pages of forum posts justifying it via other criteria to make the farmers/Sandbaggers feel better.
Pretty obvious it is the most efficient way to rank the highest though. While for the VT/GC the most efficient way is to try to get as much consecutive wins as possible. So yeah spirit of competition doesn't mean anything on it's own - you have to see it in the context of the competition.
And it seems like you didn't notice but there are 2 seperate competions going on since the increased rewards from solo/alli events. That's what I'm trying to get through to you.
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You have 3 groups active at any time:
- the summoners playing the mode straight up
- Sandbaggers using elders marks
- Sandbaggers using energy to lose
They are going to get wrecked in 2 out of 3 in those scenarios.
The so called Pay to win players are actually trying not to spend units and maximize their return on elder marks...
The so called F2P players, UC/Cav that were catered are getting even further up the VT and getting more rewards with a deterrent... Its been only the 1 week... Getting their onbjectives done the rest of the season will be a nightmare...(lol)
Catered matches for 5 or 6 seasons.. being farmed for just 1 season... I really don't see a problem at all..
I just personally have no tolerance for people taking advantage of the system or others. There's a difference between trying to progress, and just trying to milk the system.
Kabam is the one who decided to put the small fish in a barrel...
Fixing up tiers up to play is inmoral from the get go... And it happened for many seasons and it will keep on happening on future ones... People are taking advantage of this system for 1 season... Maximizing their return on elder mark use...
1- its a system they created..
2- its 1 season only where it matters..
3- In a monetized/capitalized game like this there is no morals.. its just resource management...
I'm sure I was clear about what I'm talking about, and the reasons it's a problem. Manipulating Matches is shady, and it affects the system. The fact that people are still justifying it after the adjustments we've gone through just shows the persistence some have to cheat the system.
Maybe when declaring income to get ia lower tax burden, but I think we all really know what “spirit of competition” is..
And I guess you were not on the forums when people kept harping about GC being the true competition when they were defending the flawed account strength based matchmaking system.
This really does make it clear that the solo event additions were poorly designed. There should’ve been a work around, fast track or bonus points for people who reached GC.
There is a big difference between being the small fish in the sea and being a fish in a barrel... Kabam created this barrel.
I don't understand why people are upset about this when its only for 1 season and IT HAS NOTHING to do with the competition or PVP... Its being done to maximize points or minimum requirements set by alliances to get rewards...
After the points are reached people are gonna move on, also the fact that those accounts with "disadvantage" are being given free points for their milestones...
It is kind of sad:-
1) to be at the size of account and still trying this low "tactic"
2) played to that level and still doesn't realise Kabam have changed the matching system.
And this is not the only one, if players are still trying this low of a "tactic", then I don't really know if farming is a big deal.
And it seems like you didn't notice but there are 2 seperate competions going on since the increased rewards from solo/alli events. That's what I'm trying to get through to you.