Paragon beats three TBs with elder marks on Diamond 2 then loses three on purpose with energy so he can stay on the same league and win three matches again with elder marks since most accounts will be weaker than theirs on that league. On GC however that same Paragon wouldn't win that many matches so easily. As I said I don't see an issue with it and I don't consider it cheating I just think it's scummy and it sucks for the people on the receiving end hence I haven't done it myself
Dont hate the player hate the game my guy 🤷♂️
I'm already in GC there's nothing to hate here I just wouldn't want to be on the receiving end if I was one of those poor UC or Cav players. You asked why I think it's wrong to do this and I replied
Again for every UC or Cav player that gets beaten, there is one UC or Cav player that will take a free win, or even the very same UC/Cav on his next match. Overall it's a zero sum game, not any specific demographic (overall) is losing anything. That's the big picture of it. The only thing that is slightly affected by this, are the solo BGs ranked rewards. If two identical players play the same number of matches, use the same amount of resources (Elder Marks and Energy) and win the same number of matches, the one that farmed will end up with much more points, as his EM win ratio will be close to 100%, while statistically the non farmer's will be only around 50%.
Climbing up is not what makes this scummy though what makes it scummy is the fact that those players are wasting their elder marks while I could've easily just sat there getting value out of 80% of my elder marks since I can pick when I win and when I lose 80% of the time. When I got to Diamond 1 yesterday all the whales had moved up to GC already and it wasn't that hard for me to move up to GC today early in the morning. If you ask me that's not a slight difference that's a pretty big difference they would've been wasting more than half of their elder marks while for me it would've been the complete opposite had I decided to do this
Are you just upset you didn’t think of this before advancing to GC?
Not really I'm at 367k points if I wasn't able to get to 400k without farming then I'd be mad. Seems like my comment (which would still be my own personal opinion at the end of the day) did tick you off though I wonder why
Its not a matter of being able or not, its about using the least ammount of elder marks possible, after all they are not really free
Agreed hence the "I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end" said it like five times already. Sure for us it's a good thing for the lower players not so much that's all I'm saying
You forget that for lower accounts it’s neutral. They lose matches from bigger accounts, but they are also taking an equivalent number of free wins too. Since there is no one really losing anything, where is the problem in using an efficient tactic to farm the event? Aren’t we all doing it in every other game mode too? It is unethical players use their 7* r2/6* r5 to farm arena points, but someone might get a death match? It is unethical players use their several 7*s to farm Hero Use, but at the same others have 5*s to farm as their higher rarity? It’s a competitive game, and playing the game efficiently is part of this 🙂
I already replied to you I guess you didn't read it, again. My issue with this isn't climbing up itself small accounts shouldn't climb up fast after all, my issue is they're essentially wasting 80% of their elder marks while we're not. Why? Cause they stand no chance against a big account whereas we can absolutely wipe the floor with every single one of them, and if we face other Paragons we also stand a chance so we're not wasting nearly as many elder marks as they are which I'm sure sucks for them
I'm sorry but if an UC player gets into plat and is then searching for a match using elder marks knowing full well the likelihood of facing higher accounts is high then more fool them. Even in a normal season the likelihood of facing higher accounts in them brackets is high so why waste elder marks on what's likely going to be a loss 🤔
It is time ban these farmers too , they suppose to go up and face members in their level , but they forfeit matches or lose them on purpose to stay in lower tier to bully small accounts for points.
Is there really a problem? I barely reach the 300k milestone usually in a season climbing the VT exclusively using elder marks, 400k would require much more time spent in GC. I've given plenty of smaller accounts free wins into Diamond at the expense of 1 medal from another small account in return for guaranteed value on my elder marks, sounds like equal exchange to me.
Farming points isn't an opportunity available uniquely to large Paragon players
Cav and TB players can do the exact same thing, just at a lower tier
Paragon start farming at Plat/Diamond but smaller accounts can do the same win with elders / lone with energy tactics at bronze-gold levels since they're shielded from Paragon account matchups
Not justifying the tactic. Simply pointing out that all players can post large individual and alliance points
I also wish we heard from some Cav-TB accounts in Plat 2 or above who have benefited from Paragons forfeiting.
To me, it’s not a problem because there really isn’t a victim. The tiers of the solo reward event are negligibly different from each other.
This really does make it clear that the solo event additions were poorly designed. There should’ve been a work around, fast track or bonus points for people who reached GC.
How so? You don't stop once you reach GC. I'm in gc got 525k in solo. People who are farming can't reach GC.
I am platinum. I have 165,000 points. I want to reach 400,000. With open matchmaking, my win rate is probably going to be 80%-plus, based on what happened last season.
That means I will likely reach gladiator circuit with around 325,000 points. But for the best rewards, I need 400,000. I can farm that 75,000 by farting around in platinum and using excess energy, which I absolutely have this week.
Or I can hope to scrape a 50% win rate in gladiator circuit, where I’m likely to finish Uru3 regardless. The latter costs me more elder marks, time, and frustration than the former.
I don't see the issue. You're giving people free wins, some of which would have 0 chance to beat you. What, exactly, is wrong with that?
I thought the same thing, it's almost as though some are playing it properly to grind their points where others are working smarter and getting the same points for less effort. Bitterness 🤷♂️
People just don't like strategy. Is there gonna be a thread made about throwing the second fight to ensure you win the third? Shouldn't that be considered cheating too?
If you can’t find the deficiencies in that analogy, I don’t know what to tell you.
Please explain it to me.
For starters…. You both entered the match to win. If you lose a round on purpose to burn a defender and set yourself to ultimately when 2 of 3… that’s within the spirit of the match to ultimately succeed. No one is entering the match with the intent to not advance.
This is opposed to you entering a match with elders marks against someone with a lesser account with elders marks so that you can destroy them when you should have advanced out of that ranking long ago. For the next 3 matches you will tank with energy and start the process all over again.
The former is winning a match which is the point. The other is sandbagging and exploiting matchmaking to the detriment of other summoners in various ways.
(I am assuming you weren’t being obtuse when you asked to explain why your analogy fails).
I noticed you replied here but didn't on my reply. I'm curious to hear what you think because you don't choose who you match when selecting energy vs elder marks and you keep using a faux term "spirit of competition/the match".
Is it really a faux term? You said so yourself in your previous post that this isn’t want Kabam “intended” - anyone off the street looking at the mode would conclude that the goal is to advance through the levels via competition and winning. Farming is purposefully losing. Can you see where kabam has put that forward as a strategy? Or just in mobile gaming or any game in general…. Is there a legitimate competition where you want to lose on purpose to win?
Maybe when declaring income to get ia lower tax burden, but I think we all really know what “spirit of competition” is..
So doesn't that spirit of competition also apply to the solo and alliance events with ranked rewards?
Which can be achieved through winning with elders marks, energy, advancing and grinding … or through losing on purpose to make sure you never advance as you take advantage of an exploit to make your life easier. Pretty obvious the latter doesn’t fall into that definition…. Which is why we have multiple pages of forum posts justifying it via other criteria to make the farmers/Sandbaggers feel better.
Pretty obvious it is the most efficient way to rank the highest though. While for the VT/GC the most efficient way is to try to get as much consecutive wins as possible. So yeah spirit of competition doesn't mean anything on it's own - you have to see it in the context of the competition.
And it seems like you didn't notice but there are 2 seperate competions going on since the increased rewards from solo/alli events. That's what I'm trying to get through to you.
The competitions’ results are gonna be ridiculous because the percentile based rewards in both the solo and alliance event will be warped compared to any season before or after.
A disproportionate number of summoners will ensure they hit 400,000 because those rewards are far more significant than a few extra ranks in GC or a few tiers in the solo event.
All because they chose to extend the milestones beyond a reasonable number required to reach and participate in GC.
I got into circuit by accident. Now I can’t get points 😭
You need to be fastest on the quit button this season
A forfeit doesn't net you points right? I know that you have to Complete a match fully in order to have it count for Objectives, but is the same true on the points side of things?
I got into circuit by accident. Now I can’t get points 😭
You need to be fastest on the quit button this season
A forfeit doesn't net you points right? I know that you have to Complete a match fully in order to have it count for Objectives, but is the same true on the points side of things?
I believe you get 0 for quitting vs 375 or 2250 for losing normally.
Farming points isn't an opportunity available uniquely to large Paragon players
Cav and TB players can do the exact same thing, just at a lower tier
Paragon start farming at Plat/Diamond but smaller accounts can do the same win with elders / lone with energy tactics at bronze-gold levels since they're shielded from Paragon account matchups
Not justifying the tactic. Simply pointing out that all players can post large individual and alliance points
I also wish we heard from some Cav-TB accounts in Plat 2 or above who have benefited from Paragons forfeiting.
Go have a real farm and start farming , this is a game play it and gain points legitimately with skill .
400k points is a lot if you don't have a plethora of marks. I'm at 330k and in the GC but am out of marks. I'll wait till the end of the season to buy more if I have to.
400k points is a lot if you don't have a plethora of marks. I'm at 330k and in the GC but am out of marks. I'll wait till the end of the season to buy more if I have to.
Add the fact that elder mark matches are giving the wrong ammount of points on top of that...
400k points is a lot if you don't have a plethora of marks. I'm at 330k and in the GC but am out of marks. I'll wait till the end of the season to buy more if I have to.
Add the fact that elder mark matches are giving the wrong ammount of points on top of that...
Yeah, 330k does feel a bit low for how much I've won so far this season.
400k points is a lot if you don't have a plethora of marks. I'm at 330k and in the GC but am out of marks. I'll wait till the end of the season to buy more if I have to.
Add the fact that elder mark matches are giving the wrong ammount of points on top of that...
Yeah, 330k does feel a bit low for how much I've won so far this season.
The solution they came out for it is a bit ridiculous... Patching holes
BGs has become pay to win. No skill. Just money. Decks are overloaded.
First...as a blanket statement, that's false. It's a matter of perspective to understand what you characterize as "winning". If you're looking to be #1, you're probably spending money.
If it's simply to make it into the GC, then that's just a foolish comment. Plenty of FTP player make it to GC every season.
Now most importantly, when there's a new thread complaining about BGs nearly every other day, why did you feel it was necessary to revive this one that's over a year old?
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Farming points isn't an opportunity available uniquely to large Paragon players
Cav and TB players can do the exact same thing, just at a lower tier
Paragon start farming at Plat/Diamond but smaller accounts can do the same win with elders / lone with energy tactics at bronze-gold levels since they're shielded from Paragon account matchups
Not justifying the tactic. Simply pointing out that all players can post large individual and alliance points
I also wish we heard from some Cav-TB accounts in Plat 2 or above who have benefited from Paragons forfeiting.
That means I will likely reach gladiator circuit with around 325,000 points. But for the best rewards, I need 400,000. I can farm that 75,000 by farting around in platinum and using excess energy, which I absolutely have this week.
Or I can hope to scrape a 50% win rate in gladiator circuit, where I’m likely to finish Uru3 regardless. The latter costs me more elder marks, time, and frustration than the former.
A disproportionate number of summoners will ensure they hit 400,000 because those rewards are far more significant than a few extra ranks in GC or a few tiers in the solo event.
All because they chose to extend the milestones beyond a reasonable number required to reach and participate in GC.
If it's simply to make it into the GC, then that's just a foolish comment. Plenty of FTP player make it to GC every season.
Now most importantly, when there's a new thread complaining about BGs nearly every other day, why did you feel it was necessary to revive this one that's over a year old?
Glad you necroed a year old thread to tell us. Even though you're wrong...