A new fair way to give FTPs a chance to live peacefully?

Meltdown123Meltdown123 Member Posts: 40
Greetings to kabam and everyone In the forums

Before BGs were a thing I couldn't care less about whales and spenders getting all the goodies cuz I didn't get in (real time face to face with them) and I actually loved the fact that they payed for the game we all love

I have a suggestion that I'm sure will satisfy both segments of mcoc because right now the gap is felt more than ever when the Battlegrounds became a thing and people buy everything just to bully everyone not spending and that's a fact !

My suggestion is to have two matchmaking systems for BGs

1 for spenders and whales and basically everyone that spent a dime on this game is to battle each other in their own separate matchmaking and of course have bigger rewards (but not that big in order to shorten the (FTPs and spenders gab) in due time

2 A second matchmaking system designed exclusively for FTPs where only FTPs face each other so that only (hard work) is the difference between and have a smaller rewards pool but not humongous difference just like the way kabam sees unjustly fair !!

Bottom line you need to do something to this fiasco cuz it's only gonna get worse if nothing is done

I wish to hear your take on this kabam cuz you never said anything regarding this topic despite the fact that games economy is the center of games as service and your silence is incredibly not appreciated

Before kabam lawyers and spenders jump this post I told you that I understand kabam needs money and have no dispute with you

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  • Meltdown123Meltdown123 Member Posts: 40

    This has nothing to do with Kabam needing money. The system you suggested did ultimately flawed from the beginning and would not work nor make both parties happy. BG incentivizes roster diversity and knowledge of champions, one of which money can help with, the other is experience.

    Separating BG into spenders vs non would just mean non spender BG would get a fraction of the BG rewards that are currently seen. Spending is always going to provide certain advantages. There’s nothing saying a FTP can’t get close to the top, it just may take harder work and grinding in order to get there.

    FTPs just can't get to the top bro, not after 4th of July deals

    I have put in many hours on this season and I'm struggling to get out of arcane.

    And I rather to have 70% of good rewards pool than to have 30% of great rewards pool
  • Meltdown123Meltdown123 Member Posts: 40
    Ruwqiersa said:

    Do you think they are even able to do that? Let aside the will or wont

    They have done really tricky great stuff with their game why not do that now ?

    I think just like gated paths in SQ it can be done is a gateway of matchmaking of 1 and 2

    The will for it needs to be there cuz any developer likes to have his game equal and fair and their player base happy and content

  • Meltdown123Meltdown123 Member Posts: 40
    Sman74 said:

    Biggest problem would be that Kabam would have to spend money developing this proposed functionality without any return. There’s no upside for them so they won’t (can’t) do it from a business perspective. I feel where you’re coming from though OP. The ability on a non-spender to get to or stay competitive in the upper ranks of Battlegrounds is tough and getting tougher if it isn’t already impossible.

    The upside is to have their player base happy and content, why everything has to be for monetization purposes? I get that they need money to sustain the game but why not work for both the players satisfaction and to monetize their product ? Games are supposed to be fun and fair for gamers to enjoy as they get away from the unfairness of life don't you think?
  • Wozzle007Wozzle007 Member Posts: 1,033 ★★★★★
    I don’t know how you can implement 2 tier system based on spending or not spending. What do you class as FTP, is someone who spent $5 on a deal 6 months ago or 2 years ago FTP? Is Rich The Man FTP because he stopped spending a year or so ago or do you need an account like Brian Grants that’s never spent a thing?

    I was recently in an Alliance that had a 2.2m account and was Uncollected. Never started journey in act 6 to get to cavelier. I have a 3.7m Paragon and by no means a top level Paragon player, but I think my account was like 220k or lower when I achieved uncollected. I think a large part of the issue is a lack of patience to complete content, grind MEQ for months and months until you pull that one champion that’s an account changer let’s you clear a path and move forward in the game. Or grind for units so you can open up optimal masteries.

    I was scrolling down the Uru 3 section of the Gladiators circuit leaderboard. I got bored after getting to 2,000th place having 134 points. So there are at least 10,500 in gladiators circuit but it’s probably closer to 15,000. Do you think all 15,000 are whales? Brian Grants in there, he’s not a whale, he’s never spent on his account. He’s dedicated and skilled, he chooses his rank ups wisely. If there’s a BG meta your deck isn’t suited to, maybe it’s not your season and focus on trying to expand your roster for the next one.
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  • Meltdown123Meltdown123 Member Posts: 40
    ahmynuts said:

    This has nothing to do with Kabam needing money. The system you suggested did ultimately flawed from the beginning and would not work nor make both parties happy. BG incentivizes roster diversity and knowledge of champions, one of which money can help with, the other is experience.

    Separating BG into spenders vs non would just mean non spender BG would get a fraction of the BG rewards that are currently seen. Spending is always going to provide certain advantages. There’s nothing saying a FTP can’t get close to the top, it just may take harder work and grinding in order to get there.

    FTPs just can't get to the top bro, not after 4th of July deals

    I have put in many hours on this season and I'm struggling to get out of arcane.

    And I rather to have 70% of good rewards pool than to have 30% of great rewards pool
    The existence of Brian Grant invalidates your entire argument immediately. Not even including FTP players who arent public figures
    Brian Grant gave up on this game for very long time ago if you seen his videos

    Any my argument is not the strength of FTPs which their limit won't cross 3 R5s and maybe 4 R5s at best case scenario

    My argument is that there is a game mode (which has the juiciest rewards atm) where the FTPs are unfairly going against rosters twice as big
  • Caleb1705Caleb1705 Member Posts: 259 ★★★
    I understand the heart of your argument, but if we look to before BGs were even added to the game it would have been highly unlikely to find a large group of f2p players in a top war alliance. There will always be a competitive aspect to this game, especially in pvp game modes, and what spenders are paying for is an advantage within that competition. Generally speaking, non-spenders have never been at the top of that competition and I can't see that being likely to change anytime in the future.
  • Meltdown123Meltdown123 Member Posts: 40

    So who goes into the FTP pool and who goes into the spender pool? Someone that buys the $5 unit card is not the same as someone buying every offer. And neither are the same as someone who has spent nothing.

    Simple, if you buy $5 that means that you have a genuine interest in the game and will likely spend more and have more roster diversity than FTPs it might be little unfair for spenders but (they can always spend)

    While in the FTPs pool I ensure you there will be no unjust and unfair competition, cuz the only thing that determines your ascending is your skill and hard work
  • ahmynutsahmynuts Member Posts: 7,567 ★★★★★

    ahmynuts said:

    This has nothing to do with Kabam needing money. The system you suggested did ultimately flawed from the beginning and would not work nor make both parties happy. BG incentivizes roster diversity and knowledge of champions, one of which money can help with, the other is experience.

    Separating BG into spenders vs non would just mean non spender BG would get a fraction of the BG rewards that are currently seen. Spending is always going to provide certain advantages. There’s nothing saying a FTP can’t get close to the top, it just may take harder work and grinding in order to get there.

    FTPs just can't get to the top bro, not after 4th of July deals

    I have put in many hours on this season and I'm struggling to get out of arcane.

    And I rather to have 70% of good rewards pool than to have 30% of great rewards pool
    The existence of Brian Grant invalidates your entire argument immediately. Not even including FTP players who arent public figures
    Brian Grant gave up on this game for very long time ago if you seen his videos

    Any my argument is not the strength of FTPs which their limit won't cross 3 R5s and maybe 4 R5s at best case scenario

    My argument is that there is a game mode (which has the juiciest rewards atm) where the FTPs are unfairly going against rosters twice as big
    So what you're saying is....... skill issue?
  • TheLightBringerTheLightBringer Member Posts: 453 ★★★★
    Next someone will say they want a separate server for f2p, why would a company create something MAINLY for the nonspending players? They create content for all player base and add smth extra for money bcz as that's how REVENUE is made, why this very simple concept is so hard to understand for ppl
  • Wozzle007Wozzle007 Member Posts: 1,033 ★★★★★

    ahmynuts said:

    This has nothing to do with Kabam needing money. The system you suggested did ultimately flawed from the beginning and would not work nor make both parties happy. BG incentivizes roster diversity and knowledge of champions, one of which money can help with, the other is experience.

    Separating BG into spenders vs non would just mean non spender BG would get a fraction of the BG rewards that are currently seen. Spending is always going to provide certain advantages. There’s nothing saying a FTP can’t get close to the top, it just may take harder work and grinding in order to get there.

    FTPs just can't get to the top bro, not after 4th of July deals

    I have put in many hours on this season and I'm struggling to get out of arcane.

    And I rather to have 70% of good rewards pool than to have 30% of great rewards pool
    The existence of Brian Grant invalidates your entire argument immediately. Not even including FTP players who arent public figures
    Brian Grant gave up on this game for very long time ago if you seen his videos

    Any my argument is not the strength of FTPs which their limit won't cross 3 R5s and maybe 4 R5s at best case scenario

    My argument is that there is a game mode (which has the juiciest rewards atm) where the FTPs are unfairly going against rosters twice as big
    He gave up on the game yet is still able to get to Gladiators Circuit every season.

    After you separate FTP and Spenders, the FTP Cavelier and Thronebreaker accounts will want to separated from the FTP Paragon accounts because there rosters are twice as big and it’s unfair. Same will happen with those that have spent who’ll want to be separated from the super whale accounts. I honestly think you probably need to adjust your expectation of the game mode and what you believe is fair. It’s fair that the strongest accounts rise to the top. How people got their accounts so strong, as long as it’s within kabams TOS, doesn’t matter and we should all be part of the same competition.
  • Meltdown123Meltdown123 Member Posts: 40
    ahmynuts said:

    ahmynuts said:

    This has nothing to do with Kabam needing money. The system you suggested did ultimately flawed from the beginning and would not work nor make both parties happy. BG incentivizes roster diversity and knowledge of champions, one of which money can help with, the other is experience.

    Separating BG into spenders vs non would just mean non spender BG would get a fraction of the BG rewards that are currently seen. Spending is always going to provide certain advantages. There’s nothing saying a FTP can’t get close to the top, it just may take harder work and grinding in order to get there.

    FTPs just can't get to the top bro, not after 4th of July deals

    I have put in many hours on this season and I'm struggling to get out of arcane.

    And I rather to have 70% of good rewards pool than to have 30% of great rewards pool
    The existence of Brian Grant invalidates your entire argument immediately. Not even including FTP players who arent public figures
    Brian Grant gave up on this game for very long time ago if you seen his videos

    Any my argument is not the strength of FTPs which their limit won't cross 3 R5s and maybe 4 R5s at best case scenario

    My argument is that there is a game mode (which has the juiciest rewards atm) where the FTPs are unfairly going against rosters twice as big
    So what you're saying is....... skill issue?
    Skill isn't an issue for me I get quantum 3 every season which is relatively good placement , nor for most FTPs players, we put in the extra work just to stay relevant in what is it seems as a casino of a game
  • Meltdown123Meltdown123 Member Posts: 40
    Wozzle007 said:

    I don’t know how you can implement 2 tier system based on spending or not spending. What do you class as FTP, is someone who spent $5 on a deal 6 months ago or 2 years ago FTP? Is Rich The Man FTP because he stopped spending a year or so ago or do you need an account like Brian Grants that’s never spent a thing?

    I was recently in an Alliance that had a 2.2m account and was Uncollected. Never started journey in act 6 to get to cavelier. I have a 3.7m Paragon and by no means a top level Paragon player, but I think my account was like 220k or lower when I achieved uncollected. I think a large part of the issue is a lack of patience to complete content, grind MEQ for months and months until you pull that one champion that’s an account changer let’s you clear a path and move forward in the game. Or grind for units so you can open up optimal masteries.

    I was scrolling down the Uru 3 section of the Gladiators circuit leaderboard. I got bored after getting to 2,000th place having 134 points. So there are at least 10,500 in gladiators circuit but it’s probably closer to 15,000. Do you think all 15,000 are whales? Brian Grants in there, he’s not a whale, he’s never spent on his account. He’s dedicated and skilled, he chooses his rank ups wisely. If there’s a BG meta your deck isn’t suited to, maybe it’s not your season and focus on trying to expand your roster for the next one.

    So why not separate those 15,000 to different brackets than ? And we will see if Brian Grant takes home the bacon lol

    My point is that kabam sees the player base as two segments, why not act on it and separate them instead of having whales bully the smaller fish in the ocean
  • Meltdown123Meltdown123 Member Posts: 40
    Caleb1705 said:

    I understand the heart of your argument, but if we look to before BGs were even added to the game it would have been highly unlikely to find a large group of f2p players in a top war alliance. There will always be a competitive aspect to this game, especially in pvp game modes, and what spenders are paying for is an advantage within that competition. Generally speaking, non-spenders have never been at the top of that competition and I can't see that being likely to change anytime in the future.

    But FTPs didn't really care about that before bgs

    Now they voice their concerns because they head on fight whales in real time and suffer greatly for it
  • DarkEternityDarkEternity Member Posts: 785 ★★★★

    This has nothing to do with Kabam needing money. The system you suggested did ultimately flawed from the beginning and would not work nor make both parties happy. BG incentivizes roster diversity and knowledge of champions, one of which money can help with, the other is experience.

    Separating BG into spenders vs non would just mean non spender BG would get a fraction of the BG rewards that are currently seen. Spending is always going to provide certain advantages. There’s nothing saying a FTP can’t get close to the top, it just may take harder work and grinding in order to get there.

    FTPs just can't get to the top bro, not after 4th of July deals

    I have put in many hours on this season and I'm struggling to get out of arcane.

    And I rather to have 70% of good rewards pool than to have 30% of great rewards pool
    I know a few F2P in Celest 5 :)
  • Meltdown123Meltdown123 Member Posts: 40

    This has nothing to do with Kabam needing money. The system you suggested did ultimately flawed from the beginning and would not work nor make both parties happy. BG incentivizes roster diversity and knowledge of champions, one of which money can help with, the other is experience.

    Separating BG into spenders vs non would just mean non spender BG would get a fraction of the BG rewards that are currently seen. Spending is always going to provide certain advantages. There’s nothing saying a FTP can’t get close to the top, it just may take harder work and grinding in order to get there.

    FTPs just can't get to the top bro, not after 4th of July deals

    I have put in many hours on this season and I'm struggling to get out of arcane.

    And I rather to have 70% of good rewards pool than to have 30% of great rewards pool
    I know a few F2P in Celest 5 :)
    But can you give me 10 F2Ps in celest at all ? The answer is no my friend
  • Meltdown123Meltdown123 Member Posts: 40
    Wozzle007 said:

    Wozzle007 said:

    I don’t know how you can implement 2 tier system based on spending or not spending. What do you class as FTP, is someone who spent $5 on a deal 6 months ago or 2 years ago FTP? Is Rich The Man FTP because he stopped spending a year or so ago or do you need an account like Brian Grants that’s never spent a thing?

    I was recently in an Alliance that had a 2.2m account and was Uncollected. Never started journey in act 6 to get to cavelier. I have a 3.7m Paragon and by no means a top level Paragon player, but I think my account was like 220k or lower when I achieved uncollected. I think a large part of the issue is a lack of patience to complete content, grind MEQ for months and months until you pull that one champion that’s an account changer let’s you clear a path and move forward in the game. Or grind for units so you can open up optimal masteries.

    I was scrolling down the Uru 3 section of the Gladiators circuit leaderboard. I got bored after getting to 2,000th place having 134 points. So there are at least 10,500 in gladiators circuit but it’s probably closer to 15,000. Do you think all 15,000 are whales? Brian Grants in there, he’s not a whale, he’s never spent on his account. He’s dedicated and skilled, he chooses his rank ups wisely. If there’s a BG meta your deck isn’t suited to, maybe it’s not your season and focus on trying to expand your roster for the next one.

    So why not separate those 15,000 to different brackets than ? And we will see if Brian Grant takes home the bacon lol

    My point is that kabam sees the player base as two segments, why not act on it and separate them instead of having whales bully the smaller fish in the ocean
    Kabam are not going to spend any money developing the mode to create a seperate competition specifically for players who have never spent a penny on the game. Think of the upkeep for the FTP mode. We can’t get a buff for OP Groot but you want Kabam to spend time creating a maintaining a competition that will bring them in nothing in revenue?

    You get the privilege of playing the game for free off the backs of spenders. If you get Quantum 3 every season, you’re in the top 1,500 players in the world. I think you would be better served reframing your perspective to be “I’ve never spent a penny on the game and am in the top 1,500 in the world!” Rather than it’s not fair, everyone ahead of me bought there way ahead and I shouldn’t have to play them.
    So you actually agree with kabam doing what's best for kabam and not giving a f.... about players ?
  • Meltdown123Meltdown123 Member Posts: 40
    Pikolu said:

    This has nothing to do with Kabam needing money. The system you suggested did ultimately flawed from the beginning and would not work nor make both parties happy. BG incentivizes roster diversity and knowledge of champions, one of which money can help with, the other is experience.

    Separating BG into spenders vs non would just mean non spender BG would get a fraction of the BG rewards that are currently seen. Spending is always going to provide certain advantages. There’s nothing saying a FTP can’t get close to the top, it just may take harder work and grinding in order to get there.

    FTPs just can't get to the top bro, not after 4th of July deals

    I have put in many hours on this season and I'm struggling to get out of arcane.

    And I rather to have 70% of good rewards pool than to have 30% of great rewards pool
    I know a few F2P in Celest 5 :)
    But can you give me 10 F2Ps in celest at all ? The answer is no my friend
    "Ah yes, checkmate, you have proven FTP are able to make it to Celestial but you forgot that your argument is completely invalid unless most of Celestial is FTP."

    To OP, this isn't going to get anyone to support your argument especially when you move the goalposts like this. Take your L and move on.
    My intention was to prove that the top is mainly for whales and that F2P going against almost impossible odds isn't sportsmanlike

    And what's the matter the you guys just trying to find errors in comments to "checkmate" others ? And quantum most seasons ain't L my friend but the fact is that I need to work ×4 times the spenders is what gets me
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