I don’t know how you can implement 2 tier system based on spending or not spending. What do you class as FTP, is someone who spent $5 on a deal 6 months ago or 2 years ago FTP? Is Rich The Man FTP because he stopped spending a year or so ago or do you need an account like Brian Grants that’s never spent a thing?
I was recently in an Alliance that had a 2.2m account and was Uncollected. Never started journey in act 6 to get to cavelier. I have a 3.7m Paragon and by no means a top level Paragon player, but I think my account was like 220k or lower when I achieved uncollected. I think a large part of the issue is a lack of patience to complete content, grind MEQ for months and months until you pull that one champion that’s an account changer let’s you clear a path and move forward in the game. Or grind for units so you can open up optimal masteries.
I was scrolling down the Uru 3 section of the Gladiators circuit leaderboard. I got bored after getting to 2,000th place having 134 points. So there are at least 10,500 in gladiators circuit but it’s probably closer to 15,000. Do you think all 15,000 are whales? Brian Grants in there, he’s not a whale, he’s never spent on his account. He’s dedicated and skilled, he chooses his rank ups wisely. If there’s a BG meta your deck isn’t suited to, maybe it’s not your season and focus on trying to expand your roster for the next one.
So why not separate those 15,000 to different brackets than ? And we will see if Brian Grant takes home the bacon lol
My point is that kabam sees the player base as two segments, why not act on it and separate them instead of having whales bully the smaller fish in the ocean
Kabam are not going to spend any money developing the mode to create a seperate competition specifically for players who have never spent a penny on the game. Think of the upkeep for the FTP mode. We can’t get a buff for OP Groot but you want Kabam to spend time creating a maintaining a competition that will bring them in nothing in revenue?
You get the privilege of playing the game for free off the backs of spenders. If you get Quantum 3 every season, you’re in the top 1,500 players in the world. I think you would be better served reframing your perspective to be “I’ve never spent a penny on the game and am in the top 1,500 in the world!” Rather than it’s not fair, everyone ahead of me bought there way ahead and I shouldn’t have to play them.
So you actually agree with kabam doing what's best for kabam and not giving a f.... about players ?
Not what I said at all and no need to bring in such attitude because no one agrees with your entitled opinion. I’m being realistic based on what the likelihood of what you’re suggesting happening. Never once gave my opinion on kabams actions. No company would implement what you’re suggesting when the whole game is available to play for free. No one at Kabam is going to waste their time implementing a game mode that locks out people that have spent on it.
My main gripe with this idea is just like... What if those high end ftp players want to face those high end spenders? They just can't? Make an exception for them? Then where does the exception stop? Why would anyone want to be apart of the tiny handholding ftp league, thus defining themselves as forever below the rest of the competition. It would take so much work to develop this idea and it just wouldn't be a positive change. The queue times in both leagues would be higher, you'd be matching with players outside of your tier constantly, and you'd be locking ftp players into competition with all of the hackers while the spenders get little to none. It's just overall a worse experience for everyone.
What would you do to make things better than ? Cuz you got some reason behind your words
This has nothing to do with Kabam needing money. The system you suggested did ultimately flawed from the beginning and would not work nor make both parties happy. BG incentivizes roster diversity and knowledge of champions, one of which money can help with, the other is experience.
Separating BG into spenders vs non would just mean non spender BG would get a fraction of the BG rewards that are currently seen. Spending is always going to provide certain advantages. There’s nothing saying a FTP can’t get close to the top, it just may take harder work and grinding in order to get there.
FTPs just can't get to the top bro, not after 4th of July deals
I have put in many hours on this season and I'm struggling to get out of arcane.
And I rather to have 70% of good rewards pool than to have 30% of great rewards pool
I know a few F2P in Celest 5
But can you give me 10 F2Ps in celest at all ? The answer is no my friend
"Ah yes, checkmate, you have proven FTP are able to make it to Celestial but you forgot that your argument is completely invalid unless most of Celestial is FTP."
To OP, this isn't going to get anyone to support your argument especially when you move the goalposts like this. Take your L and move on.
My intention was to prove that the top is mainly for whales and that F2P going against almost impossible odds isn't sportsmanlike
And what's the matter the you guys just trying to find errors in comments to "checkmate" others ? And quantum most seasons ain't L my friend but the fact is that I need to work ×4 times the spenders is what gets me
Like I said, you need to work harder because you don’t spend. That’s how it works my friend. We aren’t finding errors, more just pointing out obvious flaws. Furthermore being a spender or ftp doesn’t carry skill. I’ve matched plenty of good and bad players with all sizes of accounts. You can win any match as long as it’s somewhat fair and you outplay them.
I don’t know how you can implement 2 tier system based on spending or not spending. What do you class as FTP, is someone who spent $5 on a deal 6 months ago or 2 years ago FTP? Is Rich The Man FTP because he stopped spending a year or so ago or do you need an account like Brian Grants that’s never spent a thing?
I was recently in an Alliance that had a 2.2m account and was Uncollected. Never started journey in act 6 to get to cavelier. I have a 3.7m Paragon and by no means a top level Paragon player, but I think my account was like 220k or lower when I achieved uncollected. I think a large part of the issue is a lack of patience to complete content, grind MEQ for months and months until you pull that one champion that’s an account changer let’s you clear a path and move forward in the game. Or grind for units so you can open up optimal masteries.
I was scrolling down the Uru 3 section of the Gladiators circuit leaderboard. I got bored after getting to 2,000th place having 134 points. So there are at least 10,500 in gladiators circuit but it’s probably closer to 15,000. Do you think all 15,000 are whales? Brian Grants in there, he’s not a whale, he’s never spent on his account. He’s dedicated and skilled, he chooses his rank ups wisely. If there’s a BG meta your deck isn’t suited to, maybe it’s not your season and focus on trying to expand your roster for the next one.
So why not separate those 15,000 to different brackets than ? And we will see if Brian Grant takes home the bacon lol
My point is that kabam sees the player base as two segments, why not act on it and separate them instead of having whales bully the smaller fish in the ocean
Kabam are not going to spend any money developing the mode to create a seperate competition specifically for players who have never spent a penny on the game. Think of the upkeep for the FTP mode. We can’t get a buff for OP Groot but you want Kabam to spend time creating a maintaining a competition that will bring them in nothing in revenue?
You get the privilege of playing the game for free off the backs of spenders. If you get Quantum 3 every season, you’re in the top 1,500 players in the world. I think you would be better served reframing your perspective to be “I’ve never spent a penny on the game and am in the top 1,500 in the world!” Rather than it’s not fair, everyone ahead of me bought there way ahead and I shouldn’t have to play them.
So you actually agree with kabam doing what's best for kabam and not giving a f.... about players ?
Not what I said at all and no need to bring in such attitude because no one agrees with your entitled opinion. I’m being realistic based on what the likelihood of what you’re suggesting happening. Never once gave my opinion on kabams actions. No company would implement what you’re suggesting when the whole game is available to play for free. No one at Kabam is going to waste their time implementing a game mode that locks out people that have spent on it.
Sorry if my words were not ideal, I know for a fact my suggestion is not gonna see any light but something needs to be done at least
You need to realize that spending NEEDS to matter for this game to survive. By complaining about working harder than whales you’re sort of acting entitled. The people who spend should get an advantage against people who don’t. If they didn’t why would they drop $1000s on these events? We should accept these whales instead of being annoyed by them because they keep this game running for people like you and me
This has nothing to do with Kabam needing money. The system you suggested did ultimately flawed from the beginning and would not work nor make both parties happy. BG incentivizes roster diversity and knowledge of champions, one of which money can help with, the other is experience.
Separating BG into spenders vs non would just mean non spender BG would get a fraction of the BG rewards that are currently seen. Spending is always going to provide certain advantages. There’s nothing saying a FTP can’t get close to the top, it just may take harder work and grinding in order to get there.
FTPs just can't get to the top bro, not after 4th of July deals
I have put in many hours on this season and I'm struggling to get out of arcane.
And I rather to have 70% of good rewards pool than to have 30% of great rewards pool
I know a few F2P in Celest 5
But can you give me 10 F2Ps in celest at all ? The answer is no my friend
"Ah yes, checkmate, you have proven FTP are able to make it to Celestial but you forgot that your argument is completely invalid unless most of Celestial is FTP."
To OP, this isn't going to get anyone to support your argument especially when you move the goalposts like this. Take your L and move on.
My intention was to prove that the top is mainly for whales and that F2P going against almost impossible odds isn't sportsmanlike
And what's the matter the you guys just trying to find errors in comments to "checkmate" others ? And quantum most seasons ain't L my friend but the fact is that I need to work ×4 times the spenders is what gets me
Like I said, you need to work harder because you don’t spend. That’s how it works my friend. We aren’t finding errors, more just pointing out obvious flaws. Furthermore being a spender or ftp doesn’t carry skill. I’ve matched plenty of good and bad players with all sizes of accounts. You can win any match as long as it’s somewhat fair and you outplay them.
The "somewhat fair" is what gets me, for example how can I expect my R3 is withstand R2 7* without getting nuked in 20seconds ? It's the unfair power level that spenders bring to the table, and some of them are really good players which makes it worse for FTP
This has nothing to do with Kabam needing money. The system you suggested did ultimately flawed from the beginning and would not work nor make both parties happy. BG incentivizes roster diversity and knowledge of champions, one of which money can help with, the other is experience.
Separating BG into spenders vs non would just mean non spender BG would get a fraction of the BG rewards that are currently seen. Spending is always going to provide certain advantages. There’s nothing saying a FTP can’t get close to the top, it just may take harder work and grinding in order to get there.
FTPs just can't get to the top bro, not after 4th of July deals
I have put in many hours on this season and I'm struggling to get out of arcane.
And I rather to have 70% of good rewards pool than to have 30% of great rewards pool
I know a few F2P in Celest 5
But can you give me 10 F2Ps in celest at all ? The answer is no my friend
"Ah yes, checkmate, you have proven FTP are able to make it to Celestial but you forgot that your argument is completely invalid unless most of Celestial is FTP."
To OP, this isn't going to get anyone to support your argument especially when you move the goalposts like this. Take your L and move on.
My intention was to prove that the top is mainly for whales and that F2P going against almost impossible odds isn't sportsmanlike
And what's the matter the you guys just trying to find errors in comments to "checkmate" others ? And quantum most seasons ain't L my friend but the fact is that I need to work ×4 times the spenders is what gets me
Like I said, you need to work harder because you don’t spend. That’s how it works my friend. We aren’t finding errors, more just pointing out obvious flaws. Furthermore being a spender or ftp doesn’t carry skill. I’ve matched plenty of good and bad players with all sizes of accounts. You can win any match as long as it’s somewhat fair and you outplay them.
The "somewhat fair" is what gets me, for example how can I expect my R3 is withstand R2 7* without getting nuked in 20seconds ? It's the unfair power level that spenders bring to the table, and some of them are really good players which makes it worse for FTP
What would you do when you start getting out rostered in the FTP circuit? Start asking for roster based matchmaking again? There will always be rosters that outclass rosters in each tier.
You need to realize that spending NEEDS to matter for this game to survive. By complaining about working harder than whales you’re sort of acting entitled. The people who spend should get an advantage against people who don’t. If they didn’t why would they drop $1000s on these events? We should accept these whales instead of being annoyed by them because they keep this game running for people like you and me
God knows I except them whales being the fuel of the jet that FTP rides , but I'm just asking for a way to fix BGs for all segments, if that happens whales can have their own custom champions for all I care
You need to realize that spending NEEDS to matter for this game to survive. By complaining about working harder than whales you’re sort of acting entitled. The people who spend should get an advantage against people who don’t. If they didn’t why would they drop $1000s on these events? We should accept these whales instead of being annoyed by them because they keep this game running for people like you and me
God knows I except them whales being the fuel of the jet that FTP rides , but I'm just asking for a way to fix BGs for all segments, if that happens whales can have their own custom champions for all I care
But bgs is for all and that’s the best place to use new champs. Whales want to use them to affect their performance in bgs so by putting them against each other would diminish their purchases.
This has nothing to do with Kabam needing money. The system you suggested did ultimately flawed from the beginning and would not work nor make both parties happy. BG incentivizes roster diversity and knowledge of champions, one of which money can help with, the other is experience.
Separating BG into spenders vs non would just mean non spender BG would get a fraction of the BG rewards that are currently seen. Spending is always going to provide certain advantages. There’s nothing saying a FTP can’t get close to the top, it just may take harder work and grinding in order to get there.
FTPs just can't get to the top bro, not after 4th of July deals
I have put in many hours on this season and I'm struggling to get out of arcane.
And I rather to have 70% of good rewards pool than to have 30% of great rewards pool
I know a few F2P in Celest 5
But can you give me 10 F2Ps in celest at all ? The answer is no my friend
"Ah yes, checkmate, you have proven FTP are able to make it to Celestial but you forgot that your argument is completely invalid unless most of Celestial is FTP."
To OP, this isn't going to get anyone to support your argument especially when you move the goalposts like this. Take your L and move on.
My intention was to prove that the top is mainly for whales and that F2P going against almost impossible odds isn't sportsmanlike
And what's the matter the you guys just trying to find errors in comments to "checkmate" others ? And quantum most seasons ain't L my friend but the fact is that I need to work ×4 times the spenders is what gets me
Like I said, you need to work harder because you don’t spend. That’s how it works my friend. We aren’t finding errors, more just pointing out obvious flaws. Furthermore being a spender or ftp doesn’t carry skill. I’ve matched plenty of good and bad players with all sizes of accounts. You can win any match as long as it’s somewhat fair and you outplay them.
The "somewhat fair" is what gets me, for example how can I expect my R3 is withstand R2 7* without getting nuked in 20seconds ? It's the unfair power level that spenders bring to the table, and some of them are really good players which makes it worse for FTP
What would you do when you start getting out rostered in the FTP circuit? Start asking for roster based matchmaking again? There will always be rosters that outclass rosters in each tier.
Would totally except it cuz I would know that this person worked haaaaaard for this roster and didn't use shortcuts
This has nothing to do with Kabam needing money. The system you suggested did ultimately flawed from the beginning and would not work nor make both parties happy. BG incentivizes roster diversity and knowledge of champions, one of which money can help with, the other is experience.
Separating BG into spenders vs non would just mean non spender BG would get a fraction of the BG rewards that are currently seen. Spending is always going to provide certain advantages. There’s nothing saying a FTP can’t get close to the top, it just may take harder work and grinding in order to get there.
FTPs just can't get to the top bro, not after 4th of July deals
I have put in many hours on this season and I'm struggling to get out of arcane.
And I rather to have 70% of good rewards pool than to have 30% of great rewards pool
I know a few F2P in Celest 5
But can you give me 10 F2Ps in celest at all ? The answer is no my friend
"Ah yes, checkmate, you have proven FTP are able to make it to Celestial but you forgot that your argument is completely invalid unless most of Celestial is FTP."
To OP, this isn't going to get anyone to support your argument especially when you move the goalposts like this. Take your L and move on.
My intention was to prove that the top is mainly for whales and that F2P going against almost impossible odds isn't sportsmanlike
And what's the matter the you guys just trying to find errors in comments to "checkmate" others ? And quantum most seasons ain't L my friend but the fact is that I need to work ×4 times the spenders is what gets me
Like I said, you need to work harder because you don’t spend. That’s how it works my friend. We aren’t finding errors, more just pointing out obvious flaws. Furthermore being a spender or ftp doesn’t carry skill. I’ve matched plenty of good and bad players with all sizes of accounts. You can win any match as long as it’s somewhat fair and you outplay them.
The "somewhat fair" is what gets me, for example how can I expect my R3 is withstand R2 7* without getting nuked in 20seconds ? It's the unfair power level that spenders bring to the table, and some of them are really good players which makes it worse for FTP
What would you do when you start getting out rostered in the FTP circuit? Start asking for roster based matchmaking again? There will always be rosters that outclass rosters in each tier.
Would totally except it cuz I would know that this person worked haaaaaard for this roster and didn't use shortcuts
People who spend work hard in real life to be able to. This “shortcuts” your talking about doesn’t make sense
This has nothing to do with Kabam needing money. The system you suggested did ultimately flawed from the beginning and would not work nor make both parties happy. BG incentivizes roster diversity and knowledge of champions, one of which money can help with, the other is experience.
Separating BG into spenders vs non would just mean non spender BG would get a fraction of the BG rewards that are currently seen. Spending is always going to provide certain advantages. There’s nothing saying a FTP can’t get close to the top, it just may take harder work and grinding in order to get there.
FTPs just can't get to the top bro, not after 4th of July deals
I have put in many hours on this season and I'm struggling to get out of arcane.
And I rather to have 70% of good rewards pool than to have 30% of great rewards pool
I know a few F2P in Celest 5
But can you give me 10 F2Ps in celest at all ? The answer is no my friend
"Ah yes, checkmate, you have proven FTP are able to make it to Celestial but you forgot that your argument is completely invalid unless most of Celestial is FTP."
To OP, this isn't going to get anyone to support your argument especially when you move the goalposts like this. Take your L and move on.
My intention was to prove that the top is mainly for whales and that F2P going against almost impossible odds isn't sportsmanlike
And what's the matter the you guys just trying to find errors in comments to "checkmate" others ? And quantum most seasons ain't L my friend but the fact is that I need to work ×4 times the spenders is what gets me
Like I said, you need to work harder because you don’t spend. That’s how it works my friend. We aren’t finding errors, more just pointing out obvious flaws. Furthermore being a spender or ftp doesn’t carry skill. I’ve matched plenty of good and bad players with all sizes of accounts. You can win any match as long as it’s somewhat fair and you outplay them.
The "somewhat fair" is what gets me, for example how can I expect my R3 is withstand R2 7* without getting nuked in 20seconds ? It's the unfair power level that spenders bring to the table, and some of them are really good players which makes it worse for FTP
What would you do when you start getting out rostered in the FTP circuit? Start asking for roster based matchmaking again? There will always be rosters that outclass rosters in each tier.
Would totally except it cuz I would know that this person worked haaaaaard for this roster and didn't use shortcuts
That’s not fair to say people who spend didn’t work hard and took shortcuts
You need to realize that spending NEEDS to matter for this game to survive. By complaining about working harder than whales you’re sort of acting entitled. The people who spend should get an advantage against people who don’t. If they didn’t why would they drop $1000s on these events? We should accept these whales instead of being annoyed by them because they keep this game running for people like you and me
God knows I except them whales being the fuel of the jet that FTP rides , but I'm just asking for a way to fix BGs for all segments, if that happens whales can have their own custom champions for all I care
But bgs is for all and that’s the best place to use new champs. Whales want to use them to affect their performance in bgs so by putting them against each other would diminish their purchases.
It would eliminate the bullying that became a trend in BGs at the moment
So yeah I'm a whale I'm gonna take my new bought R5 to bully some people in bgs
This has nothing to do with Kabam needing money. The system you suggested did ultimately flawed from the beginning and would not work nor make both parties happy. BG incentivizes roster diversity and knowledge of champions, one of which money can help with, the other is experience.
Separating BG into spenders vs non would just mean non spender BG would get a fraction of the BG rewards that are currently seen. Spending is always going to provide certain advantages. There’s nothing saying a FTP can’t get close to the top, it just may take harder work and grinding in order to get there.
FTPs just can't get to the top bro, not after 4th of July deals
I have put in many hours on this season and I'm struggling to get out of arcane.
And I rather to have 70% of good rewards pool than to have 30% of great rewards pool
I know a few F2P in Celest 5
But can you give me 10 F2Ps in celest at all ? The answer is no my friend
"Ah yes, checkmate, you have proven FTP are able to make it to Celestial but you forgot that your argument is completely invalid unless most of Celestial is FTP."
To OP, this isn't going to get anyone to support your argument especially when you move the goalposts like this. Take your L and move on.
My intention was to prove that the top is mainly for whales and that F2P going against almost impossible odds isn't sportsmanlike
And what's the matter the you guys just trying to find errors in comments to "checkmate" others ? And quantum most seasons ain't L my friend but the fact is that I need to work ×4 times the spenders is what gets me
Like I said, you need to work harder because you don’t spend. That’s how it works my friend. We aren’t finding errors, more just pointing out obvious flaws. Furthermore being a spender or ftp doesn’t carry skill. I’ve matched plenty of good and bad players with all sizes of accounts. You can win any match as long as it’s somewhat fair and you outplay them.
The "somewhat fair" is what gets me, for example how can I expect my R3 is withstand R2 7* without getting nuked in 20seconds ? It's the unfair power level that spenders bring to the table, and some of them are really good players which makes it worse for FTP
What would you do when you start getting out rostered in the FTP circuit? Start asking for roster based matchmaking again? There will always be rosters that outclass rosters in each tier.
Would totally except it cuz I would know that this person worked haaaaaard for this roster and didn't use shortcuts
People who spend work hard in real life to be able to. This “shortcuts” your talking about doesn’t make sense
I work hard as well in real life but don't spend to just be better at some video game, every game I played on console and mobile I'm very good at on my own, not by my deep pockets
You need to realize that spending NEEDS to matter for this game to survive. By complaining about working harder than whales you’re sort of acting entitled. The people who spend should get an advantage against people who don’t. If they didn’t why would they drop $1000s on these events? We should accept these whales instead of being annoyed by them because they keep this game running for people like you and me
God knows I except them whales being the fuel of the jet that FTP rides , but I'm just asking for a way to fix BGs for all segments, if that happens whales can have their own custom champions for all I care
But bgs is for all and that’s the best place to use new champs. Whales want to use them to affect their performance in bgs so by putting them against each other would diminish their purchases.
It would eliminate the bullying that became a trend in BGs at the moment
So yeah I'm a whale I'm gonna take my new bought R5 to bully some people in bgs
That's exactly what I stand against
Bullying? Bringing in R5 are not bullying. Just stop with making this spenders faults. No one has mentioned spenders only bullying anyone in bgs. Why do you care either? You can beat R5 with most paragon rosters. If not skill may be involved in holding you back
This has nothing to do with Kabam needing money. The system you suggested did ultimately flawed from the beginning and would not work nor make both parties happy. BG incentivizes roster diversity and knowledge of champions, one of which money can help with, the other is experience.
Separating BG into spenders vs non would just mean non spender BG would get a fraction of the BG rewards that are currently seen. Spending is always going to provide certain advantages. There’s nothing saying a FTP can’t get close to the top, it just may take harder work and grinding in order to get there.
FTPs just can't get to the top bro, not after 4th of July deals
I have put in many hours on this season and I'm struggling to get out of arcane.
And I rather to have 70% of good rewards pool than to have 30% of great rewards pool
I know a few F2P in Celest 5
But can you give me 10 F2Ps in celest at all ? The answer is no my friend
"Ah yes, checkmate, you have proven FTP are able to make it to Celestial but you forgot that your argument is completely invalid unless most of Celestial is FTP."
To OP, this isn't going to get anyone to support your argument especially when you move the goalposts like this. Take your L and move on.
My intention was to prove that the top is mainly for whales and that F2P going against almost impossible odds isn't sportsmanlike
And what's the matter the you guys just trying to find errors in comments to "checkmate" others ? And quantum most seasons ain't L my friend but the fact is that I need to work ×4 times the spenders is what gets me
Like I said, you need to work harder because you don’t spend. That’s how it works my friend. We aren’t finding errors, more just pointing out obvious flaws. Furthermore being a spender or ftp doesn’t carry skill. I’ve matched plenty of good and bad players with all sizes of accounts. You can win any match as long as it’s somewhat fair and you outplay them.
The "somewhat fair" is what gets me, for example how can I expect my R3 is withstand R2 7* without getting nuked in 20seconds ? It's the unfair power level that spenders bring to the table, and some of them are really good players which makes it worse for FTP
What would you do when you start getting out rostered in the FTP circuit? Start asking for roster based matchmaking again? There will always be rosters that outclass rosters in each tier.
Would totally except it cuz I would know that this person worked haaaaaard for this roster and didn't use shortcuts
That’s not fair to say people who spend didn’t work hard and took shortcuts
Dude 4th of July deals gave rewards we didn't obtain for 7 years work what are you talking about
I’m not ftp, I won’t claim to be because I spend occasionally however I can consistently beat whale accounts with my decent one by outsmarting them. Rosters can only take you so far.
This has nothing to do with Kabam needing money. The system you suggested did ultimately flawed from the beginning and would not work nor make both parties happy. BG incentivizes roster diversity and knowledge of champions, one of which money can help with, the other is experience.
Separating BG into spenders vs non would just mean non spender BG would get a fraction of the BG rewards that are currently seen. Spending is always going to provide certain advantages. There’s nothing saying a FTP can’t get close to the top, it just may take harder work and grinding in order to get there.
FTPs just can't get to the top bro, not after 4th of July deals
I have put in many hours on this season and I'm struggling to get out of arcane.
And I rather to have 70% of good rewards pool than to have 30% of great rewards pool
I know a few F2P in Celest 5
But can you give me 10 F2Ps in celest at all ? The answer is no my friend
"Ah yes, checkmate, you have proven FTP are able to make it to Celestial but you forgot that your argument is completely invalid unless most of Celestial is FTP."
To OP, this isn't going to get anyone to support your argument especially when you move the goalposts like this. Take your L and move on.
My intention was to prove that the top is mainly for whales and that F2P going against almost impossible odds isn't sportsmanlike
And what's the matter the you guys just trying to find errors in comments to "checkmate" others ? And quantum most seasons ain't L my friend but the fact is that I need to work ×4 times the spenders is what gets me
Like I said, you need to work harder because you don’t spend. That’s how it works my friend. We aren’t finding errors, more just pointing out obvious flaws. Furthermore being a spender or ftp doesn’t carry skill. I’ve matched plenty of good and bad players with all sizes of accounts. You can win any match as long as it’s somewhat fair and you outplay them.
The "somewhat fair" is what gets me, for example how can I expect my R3 is withstand R2 7* without getting nuked in 20seconds ? It's the unfair power level that spenders bring to the table, and some of them are really good players which makes it worse for FTP
What would you do when you start getting out rostered in the FTP circuit? Start asking for roster based matchmaking again? There will always be rosters that outclass rosters in each tier.
Would totally except it cuz I would know that this person worked haaaaaard for this roster and didn't use shortcuts
That’s not fair to say people who spend didn’t work hard and took shortcuts
Dude 4th of July deals gave rewards we didn't obtain for 7 years work what are you talking about
Kabam messed up there. But having a few more r5 doesn’t make someone unbeatable like you are suggesting
You need to realize that spending NEEDS to matter for this game to survive. By complaining about working harder than whales you’re sort of acting entitled. The people who spend should get an advantage against people who don’t. If they didn’t why would they drop $1000s on these events? We should accept these whales instead of being annoyed by them because they keep this game running for people like you and me
God knows I except them whales being the fuel of the jet that FTP rides , but I'm just asking for a way to fix BGs for all segments, if that happens whales can have their own custom champions for all I care
But bgs is for all and that’s the best place to use new champs. Whales want to use them to affect their performance in bgs so by putting them against each other would diminish their purchases.
It would eliminate the bullying that became a trend in BGs at the moment
So yeah I'm a whale I'm gonna take my new bought R5 to bully some people in bgs
That's exactly what I stand against
Bullying? Bringing in R5 are not bullying. Just stop with making this spenders faults. No one has mentioned spenders only bullying anyone in bgs. Why do you care either? You can beat R5 with most paragon rosters. If not skill may be involved in holding you back
Bringing 1 R5 is not bullying, I'm closing on my second R5
But Bringing 10 R5s sig 200 and 4 R2s is bullying, yeah I can outclass them sometimes with my 20 R4s but still isn't fair
This has nothing to do with Kabam needing money. The system you suggested did ultimately flawed from the beginning and would not work nor make both parties happy. BG incentivizes roster diversity and knowledge of champions, one of which money can help with, the other is experience.
Separating BG into spenders vs non would just mean non spender BG would get a fraction of the BG rewards that are currently seen. Spending is always going to provide certain advantages. There’s nothing saying a FTP can’t get close to the top, it just may take harder work and grinding in order to get there.
FTPs just can't get to the top bro, not after 4th of July deals
I have put in many hours on this season and I'm struggling to get out of arcane.
And I rather to have 70% of good rewards pool than to have 30% of great rewards pool
I know a few F2P in Celest 5
But can you give me 10 F2Ps in celest at all ? The answer is no my friend
"Ah yes, checkmate, you have proven FTP are able to make it to Celestial but you forgot that your argument is completely invalid unless most of Celestial is FTP."
To OP, this isn't going to get anyone to support your argument especially when you move the goalposts like this. Take your L and move on.
My intention was to prove that the top is mainly for whales and that F2P going against almost impossible odds isn't sportsmanlike
And what's the matter the you guys just trying to find errors in comments to "checkmate" others ? And quantum most seasons ain't L my friend but the fact is that I need to work ×4 times the spenders is what gets me
Like I said, you need to work harder because you don’t spend. That’s how it works my friend. We aren’t finding errors, more just pointing out obvious flaws. Furthermore being a spender or ftp doesn’t carry skill. I’ve matched plenty of good and bad players with all sizes of accounts. You can win any match as long as it’s somewhat fair and you outplay them.
The "somewhat fair" is what gets me, for example how can I expect my R3 is withstand R2 7* without getting nuked in 20seconds ? It's the unfair power level that spenders bring to the table, and some of them are really good players which makes it worse for FTP
What would you do when you start getting out rostered in the FTP circuit? Start asking for roster based matchmaking again? There will always be rosters that outclass rosters in each tier.
Would totally except it cuz I would know that this person worked haaaaaard for this roster and didn't use shortcuts
That’s not fair to say people who spend didn’t work hard and took shortcuts
Dude 4th of July deals gave rewards we didn't obtain for 7 years work what are you talking about
Kabam messed up there. But having a few more r5 doesn’t make someone unbeatable like you are suggesting
And why mess up and ruin such a great game mode ? And second I told you it's not impossible but makes it super hard
You need to realize that spending NEEDS to matter for this game to survive. By complaining about working harder than whales you’re sort of acting entitled. The people who spend should get an advantage against people who don’t. If they didn’t why would they drop $1000s on these events? We should accept these whales instead of being annoyed by them because they keep this game running for people like you and me
God knows I except them whales being the fuel of the jet that FTP rides , but I'm just asking for a way to fix BGs for all segments, if that happens whales can have their own custom champions for all I care
But bgs is for all and that’s the best place to use new champs. Whales want to use them to affect their performance in bgs so by putting them against each other would diminish their purchases.
It would eliminate the bullying that became a trend in BGs at the moment
So yeah I'm a whale I'm gonna take my new bought R5 to bully some people in bgs
That's exactly what I stand against
Bullying? Bringing in R5 are not bullying. Just stop with making this spenders faults. No one has mentioned spenders only bullying anyone in bgs. Why do you care either? You can beat R5 with most paragon rosters. If not skill may be involved in holding you back
Bringing 1 R5 is not bullying, I'm closing on my second R5
But Bringing 10 R5s sig 200 and 4 R2s is bullying, yeah I can outclass them sometimes with my 20 R4s but still isn't fair
20 r4 should be enough to stand toe to toe with any end game roster assuming they are bg r4. I have 11 and I do well against most rosters in the game because I forget about ranks and play like it’s a normal match against an opponent my level. There’s a psychological level when facing whales that makes people and maybe you, not play as well and lose. Just because they go into the match thinking this is going to be super hard. One rank isn’t that much of a difference.
Also facing whales is easier now that time means less. Fighting r5 and R2 are not auto losses Vs a r3 6* because time has less meaning. Just play clean and you give yourself a really good shot at winning. So kabam has catered towards ftp players I guess.
This has nothing to do with Kabam needing money. The system you suggested did ultimately flawed from the beginning and would not work nor make both parties happy. BG incentivizes roster diversity and knowledge of champions, one of which money can help with, the other is experience.
Separating BG into spenders vs non would just mean non spender BG would get a fraction of the BG rewards that are currently seen. Spending is always going to provide certain advantages. There’s nothing saying a FTP can’t get close to the top, it just may take harder work and grinding in order to get there.
FTPs just can't get to the top bro, not after 4th of July deals
I have put in many hours on this season and I'm struggling to get out of arcane.
And I rather to have 70% of good rewards pool than to have 30% of great rewards pool
I know a few F2P in Celest 5
But can you give me 10 F2Ps in celest at all ? The answer is no my friend
"Ah yes, checkmate, you have proven FTP are able to make it to Celestial but you forgot that your argument is completely invalid unless most of Celestial is FTP."
To OP, this isn't going to get anyone to support your argument especially when you move the goalposts like this. Take your L and move on.
My intention was to prove that the top is mainly for whales and that F2P going against almost impossible odds isn't sportsmanlike
And what's the matter the you guys just trying to find errors in comments to "checkmate" others ? And quantum most seasons ain't L my friend but the fact is that I need to work ×4 times the spenders is what gets me
Like I said, you need to work harder because you don’t spend. That’s how it works my friend.
That's just simply not possible though. "Working harder" does not give you anything more than what the game can offer you. There is a limit, and that limit isn't enough
spenders need an advantage to justify spending. bigger rosters are this advantage the game needs spenders to grow for all of us.
bgs is where spenders really truly get to see the fruits of their spending.
BGs is a competitive mode, not everyone will get to the top. this game is not just about skill. it is a progression based game. it is a combination of skill and roster. you need both to be at the top.
unfortunately the spenders will have the advantage in the latter so the ftp will need to work harder to try and be better at the former. thats just the way it is.
it is a competitive mode, if you wanna compete you gotta do what is needed. if you can't do what is needed you can't compete. and you will end up with a finishing placement and rewards that match the combination of roster you have, skill you have and effort you put in.
take professional sport for the moment. small little countries in Africa might have some of the most naturally talented football (soccer) players in the world. but if the country can not afford to spend money on the sport and invest the same money as the big nations they will never be able to compete as well at the world cup. sportsmen from these disadvantage countries need to work harder and harder if they wish to compete at the top level. its just life. yes, they may not need to spend money themselves, but they need someone to spend money on them to get them the opportunities to compete. so if you can't spend yourself, ask someone to sponsor you.
OP, your thought process is flawed. You say going against a stacked roster isn’t sportsmanlike. The comparison I’m going to make is the NCAA college basketball tournament bracket in March. Just as an example, A #1 seed always historically faces a #16 seed. That’s how the tournament is designed by the people that oversee the NCAA, so is that unsportsmanlike as you’re claiming? According to the dictionary, no, as sportsmanship is defined as “fair and generous behavior or treatment of others, especially in a sports contest.” How badly the deck is stacked against you (awful pun intended) is not taken into consideration. Also, I can use this previous comparison for another example. Mathematically, a #1 seed should defeat a #16 seed the majority of the time. Anyone that watches college basketball knows that these upsets where the #16 seed wins and that anything can happen. Hence why the tournament is nicknamed as March Madness. The point I’m trying to make is that yes, spenders can definitely have an advantage over the FTPs, but spending does not equate to skill. I’ve faced many rosters where based on deck strength I should have lost because their roster was bigger than mine. However, I’ve been able to win those matches by out-strategizing my opponents, winning a fight cleaner, and perhaps a bit of luck in my draws. Anything is possible.
I’m curious how this plan you’re proposing would work? What counts as a spender? Is someone who spent $5 on the daily card in the same group as whales who spend 10000 each year? How would kabam make this even happen? I’m
Biggest problem would be that Kabam would have to spend money developing this proposed functionality without any return. There’s no upside for them so they won’t (can’t) do it from a business perspective. I feel where you’re coming from though OP. The ability on a non-spender to get to or stay competitive in the upper ranks of Battlegrounds is tough and getting tougher if it isn’t already impossible.
The upside is to have their player base happy and content, why everything has to be for monetization purposes? I get that they need money to sustain the game but why not work for both the players satisfaction and to monetize their product ? Games are supposed to be fun and fair for gamers to enjoy as they get away from the unfairness of life don't you think?
How would the systems know? You're saying that someone who has spent $4.99 should be matched with someone who has spent $10,000?
What if you used to spend but no longer spend?
What if the F2P people you come across have more time and skill than you and you still can't make it to the top?
Why do you get to decide what makes the player base happy?
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So yeah I'm a whale I'm gonna take my new bought R5 to bully some people in bgs
That's exactly what I stand against
Again that's not my point
But Bringing 10 R5s sig 200 and 4 R2s is bullying, yeah I can outclass them sometimes with my 20 R4s but still isn't fair
simply just no.
spenders need an advantage to justify spending.
bigger rosters are this advantage
the game needs spenders to grow for all of us.
bgs is where spenders really truly get to see the fruits of their spending.
BGs is a competitive mode,
not everyone will get to the top.
this game is not just about skill.
it is a progression based game.
it is a combination of skill and roster.
you need both to be at the top.
unfortunately the spenders will have the advantage in the latter so the ftp will need to work harder to try and be better at the former.
thats just the way it is.
it is a competitive mode, if you wanna compete you gotta do what is needed.
if you can't do what is needed you can't compete.
and you will end up with a finishing placement and rewards that match the combination of roster you have, skill you have and effort you put in.
take professional sport for the moment.
small little countries in Africa might have some of the most naturally talented football (soccer) players in the world.
but if the country can not afford to spend money on the sport and invest the same money as the big nations they will never be able to compete as well at the world cup.
sportsmen from these disadvantage countries need to work harder and harder if they wish to compete at the top level.
its just life.
yes, they may not need to spend money themselves, but they need someone to spend money on them to get them the opportunities to compete.
so if you can't spend yourself, ask someone to sponsor you.
Worst.....Idea......Ever
According to the dictionary, no, as sportsmanship is defined as “fair and generous behavior or treatment of others, especially in a sports contest.” How badly the deck is stacked against you (awful pun intended) is not taken into consideration.
Also, I can use this previous comparison for another example. Mathematically, a #1 seed should defeat a #16 seed the majority of the time. Anyone that watches college basketball knows that these upsets where the #16 seed wins and that anything can happen. Hence why the tournament is nicknamed as March Madness.
The point I’m trying to make is that yes, spenders can definitely have an advantage over the FTPs, but spending does not equate to skill. I’ve faced many rosters where based on deck strength I should have lost because their roster was bigger than mine. However, I’ve been able to win those matches by out-strategizing my opponents, winning a fight cleaner, and perhaps a bit of luck in my draws. Anything is possible.
What if you used to spend but no longer spend?
What if the F2P people you come across have more time and skill than you and you still can't make it to the top?
Why do you get to decide what makes the player base happy?