Alliance War Compensation [merged]

Kabam Miike

XXGhost_RiderXX said:

Kabam Miike said:

Golivarez said:

Where are the war potions and grey boosts lol you know stuff that actually helps in war @Kabam Miike

Compensation is to make up for what you missed out on, and if anything, you'd have spent AW potions and Boosts during that time, not gained more of them

If this is the case, then why did we only get half of what we would have gotten if war were actually happening? Like gold, and crystal shards are also war prizes. I understand not everyone does war, so there's somewhat of a justification for not just going willy-milly with crystal shards, but what about the gold?

Gold kinda serves a similar purpose as loyalty, case in point being it's an in game currency (that we need it to level and rank champs and relics; we need it to access arena, etc)...

This is a very good point, and one that I have raised to the team.

Renaxqq

I have to spend units and revives to use 2 gauntlet keys to make compensation worth it? The heck?

Coppin

HungaryHippo said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Agent_X_zzz said:

GroundedWisdom said:

CitizenBrain said:

Kabam Miike said:

If there is CONSTRUCTIVE feedback on what you think you should have been included, please let us know and we can discuss with the game team about it. No guarantees that anything comes of it, but we'll have those discussions.

If you're not going to be constructive though, we're going to ignore you.

Sorry, but compensation (even as a down time distraction) doesn't mean having to do a long piece of content that is just going to drain my resources. The fact that keys were supposed to go out earlier is irrelevant. They didn't. They are here now and the real issue is with getting them in the first place (gatekeeping compensation behind harder content). Want to open the boss after the first path? That's a different story but the whole gauntlet? Nah. That's ridiculous.

Their inclusion feels not only hollow but midly infuriating.

This was explained. It wasn't intended to be the Compensation Package. It was intended to come out before, so people had something to do while War was down. The Loyalty was the focus of this.

Doesn’t matter what the intention was - it’s what the result is, in which this already poor compensation was delayed so far just barely before AW season started, so again barely any time to do it.

The Keys don't expire. Ever. So there's all the time in the world to do it.

… well this is unusual. I agree with GW. Oh no.

It’s surprising to see how entitled the player base is. Play the game. If you haven’t gotten strong enough to do GG, why are you here whining. Go get stronger.

9 mil gold per run is never going to be outdated.

Wait a minute... wasn't this the same argument used for "BG rewards are not the same"? 🤣
Oh yeah it was... Trophies don't expire either..

kraioszero

The Name of the Game is WAR ISSUES COMPENSATION, NOT ALLIANCE QUEST COMPENSATION, NOT ARENA COMPENSATION, NOT EVEN SPECIAÑ MISSION / RUN COMPENSATION.

Compensations should consist of rewards/items related to that particular game aspect / area / section affected by the issues because those rewards, resources, items where the ones affected, not others.

How ridiculous is to give the keys to a certain content (WHICH IS NOT THE SAME AFEECTED BY THE ISSUE BY THE WAY) to summoners who are not even allowed to enter the quest, reason being "en-title-d restriction" which already supoosedly means not leveled enough characters to be able to complete it for starters, making indeed they for new content just a wasting (money and redources), even if event requirements are reduced to lower titles, since the ones being able to enter have already wasted there before

Fixes? No idea since the season has not even started, but there are already some many of those already listed from off season /pre season

Put you effort there before the season begins and get thing right, you always say ey summoners you talked we listened..

Not this time, not this time, really notnfor a long time really

Actman

Being constructive. Compensation should't be in a way that which sock all your resources. Everybody knows that Grandmaster Gauntlet is not easy. There are chances that players will try in the quest and possibly finish their all resources before finishing the quest. So, eventually, players are losing more than they are getting here. And the irrelevance of rewards is the reason for outburst of players.

Thomildo

This is like, i crashed my car..
Hey, look at this old unicycle i found. You can have it!
Thanks for the free unicycle! (Not gonna ride it)

Belgarion

good evening, what the players find ridiculous is quite simply that 95% of the players (maybe less, maybe more but in any case a large majority) will absolutely not be able to use the interesting compensations from you while all the players can participate in wars and have rewards at their level. could say that you gave the rewards in bg … yes for a month of missing war and not for 2 and it took a lot of time and also a lot of resources to reach the 400,000 points needed. much more than the resource time needed for the season of war. I confirm the opinion of many. outdated and disappointing compensation. giving nothing wouldn't have been worse. maybe even less "shocking". Have a good evening.

Coppin

Renaxqq said:

I have to spend units and revives to use 2 gauntlet keys to make compensation worth it? The heck?

Have you ever been to a casino?
If you lose a substantial amount of money, they treat you to a free buffet... Yeah that's what it feels like...

Qwerty12345

5 revives in compensation... to be applied for 2 runs. And While normally I'm not a fan of farming / not overly concerned about act 5 changes... the timing of "turning that off" with this is really lame.

At least should have given those who already used all their keys the rewards / not make them do it again.

Armageddøn

Omega_Runner said:

Armageddøn said:

Midnightfox said:

What would have been acceptable to me. Some rank up mats in that compensation. That is what I look forward to most in aw. Maybe half or full t6b and same with t3a and a t5cc crystal would have been sufficient to me with the loyalty. Would 7 star shards be great? Yeah, but my fun in the game is growing my roster so rank up mats are what keeps me interested and why I try to stay competitive in aw.

You get twice of that so rank up mats, shards, nexus,generic sig stones and gems. Everything is covered.

The whole point of this discussion is it's worded as compensation but you have to grind, put your time and effort , burn revives, potions and units.

It's not a bad compensation if you look at it, honestly. There is no rush to do it now. What I'm gonna do is focus on the next week legends challenge right now and run gauntlet sometime later when my revives will be in overflow again and I'll have nothing else to do in the game.

Ok, so next time when something happens to AQ they will put AQ compensation in abyss and say you have to grind.

I think you missed whole point of this thread it was never about the compensation amount we are getting but method to get it.

I didn't miss the point as I wrote in my comment that the grinding part cannot be considered as the compensation to AW issues. All I'm saying is keys are good to have for the time when there will be no content to do in the game like the past few months have been really dry...

I hope they don't make it a trend though and keep giving us these gauntlet keys for compensation in any game mode.

HungaryHippo

Coppin said:

HungaryHippo said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Agent_X_zzz said:

GroundedWisdom said:

CitizenBrain said:

Kabam Miike said:

If there is CONSTRUCTIVE feedback on what you think you should have been included, please let us know and we can discuss with the game team about it. No guarantees that anything comes of it, but we'll have those discussions.

If you're not going to be constructive though, we're going to ignore you.

Sorry, but compensation (even as a down time distraction) doesn't mean having to do a long piece of content that is just going to drain my resources. The fact that keys were supposed to go out earlier is irrelevant. They didn't. They are here now and the real issue is with getting them in the first place (gatekeeping compensation behind harder content). Want to open the boss after the first path? That's a different story but the whole gauntlet? Nah. That's ridiculous.

Their inclusion feels not only hollow but midly infuriating.

This was explained. It wasn't intended to be the Compensation Package. It was intended to come out before, so people had something to do while War was down. The Loyalty was the focus of this.

Doesn’t matter what the intention was - it’s what the result is, in which this already poor compensation was delayed so far just barely before AW season started, so again barely any time to do it.

The Keys don't expire. Ever. So there's all the time in the world to do it.

… well this is unusual. I agree with GW. Oh no.

It’s surprising to see how entitled the player base is. Play the game. If you haven’t gotten strong enough to do GG, why are you here whining. Go get stronger.

9 mil gold per run is never going to be outdated.

Wait a minute... wasn't this the same argument used for "BG rewards are not the same"? 🤣
Oh yeah it was... Trophies don't expire either..

I’d take trophies for compensation.

Honestly they should have given us alliance War items but I am grateful for what we got.

Go_To

Kabam Miike said:

Golivarez said:

Where are the war potions and grey boosts lol you know stuff that actually helps in war @Kabam Miike

Compensation is to make up for what you missed out on, and if anything, you'd have spent AW potions and Boosts during that time, not gained more of them

Dude you don’t understand don’t you? People had expiring resources during this extended off-season. So yes we should have gotten compensation for not being able to use expiring boosts and potions because you guys messed up.

MDx

Renaxqq said:

I have to spend units and revives to use 2 gauntlet keys to make compensation worth it? The heck?

Keys are not compensation. They were supposed to be given early but got late .
Compensation is 5 revives and 300k loyalty.

IamNorton

iDestroyerZ said:

Ashacekar said:

Umm...Where are these keys used, again? I have 5 of them now. I don't know.

In grandmaster's gauntlet, quite difficult event but the rewards are kinda cool, you can find this event in the same place you find abyss of legends/rol

Not everyone who got the rewards can even use them kinds stupid reward to hand out if you ask me

Go_To

Kabam Miike said:

𝕁𝕠𝕟𝕋𝕙𝕖𝔾𝕖𝕟𝕖𝕣𝕒𝕝 said:

Kabam Miike said:

𝕁𝕠𝕟𝕋𝕙𝕖𝔾𝕖𝕟𝕖𝕣𝕒𝕝 said:

Kabam Miike said:

Hey, I know there are people that are rightfully upset, but I'm going to try and explain the thought process here. You might disagree with it, but this is the situation.

The goal with this Comp was for the Keys to come out much earlier, giving players something to do while AW was down. I'm not sure why it's only going out now, but here we are.

Loyalty was the central part of this compensation, making up for most of a lot of what was lost in the unplanned downtime, not for the entire downtime, since we purposely moved those rewards into BGs and told everybody about it in advance.

I know that when we say "compensation", people set their own standards in their heads, and often look at older compensations that we've done as a benchmark, when every situation needs to be treated differently.

If there is CONSTRUCTIVE feedback on what you think you should have been included, please let us know and we can discuss with the game team about it. No guarantees that anything comes of it, but we'll have those discussions.

If you're not going to be constructive though, we're going to ignore you.

Why not just give everyone the rewards they got last season as compensation? We literally missed a whole season of rewards and including it in bgs does nothing because they’re two different game modes and not all WAR PLAYERS play bgs. Giving us the rewards we got last season would’ve been the smartest thing. A lot better than whatever this “compensation “ is☠️☠️☠️

I'm not sure why you'd expect the same rewards from the season before for not actually having to playI know that not everybody plays BGs, but we were very clear that there was an extended off-season with a way to get the rewards if you want them. That was never part of the plan and I don't see why you thought it would be, or would expect it to be.

“Who said I expected that? It’s Kabam. Lmfao, I don’t expect much from y’all. ☠️☠️☠️☠️ You asked for a suggestion, and I gave you one. I’m not the only one who has suggested it. 🤷🏾‍♂️ Maybe if you guys had a half-capable game team, or even a few devs who actually played the game, you would understand why players are so upset. 🤣”

I asked for constructive feedback, and you didn't give me that. You came in acting like a jerk, and I am giving you back what you gave me.

You responded to someone who was acting like a jerk. But can you blame people? You guys mess up aw start times and then give us “comp” that doesn’t help us much and gives us things to do and spend resources on. We have a right to be angry and you show your true colors by acting the way you do

Dukenpuke

I think war compensation should give out war-related rewards. I don't think rankup mats or crystals should have been included, as those were given out in the boosted season 9 BG rewards and communicated in advance.

I think a good compensation would have been loyalty (which we got), war boosts/pots/revives (~10 of each), and ~1 million gold would have been good compensation.

Additionally, the season 10 BG rewards should have been boosted again to match season 9. We still don't have confirmation that the new AW season will start up again on 8/16.

Ayden_noah1

I would be happy with the Loyalty store being updated asap. This way we can use the 300k loyalty to improve our roster. Iif the update is good, summoners will feel better about the 300k loyalty given out.

Vegeta9001

My main issue is that even with the extended off season which led to the BG season being buffed, we're going to miss essentially another entire war seasons worth of duration with the mess that is this new war system, by time it eventually starts we'd probably have fit an entire season between then and the original start date. So I'm missing Rank up mats/shards more than anything else, loyalty is worthless with how dogwater the loyalty store is for paragon players, unless I plan on saving for an inevitable 7* tin Man.

Kabam Miike

Go_To said:

Kabam Miike said:

𝕁𝕠𝕟𝕋𝕙𝕖𝔾𝕖𝕟𝕖𝕣𝕒𝕝 said:

Kabam Miike said:

𝕁𝕠𝕟𝕋𝕙𝕖𝔾𝕖𝕟𝕖𝕣𝕒𝕝 said:

Kabam Miike said:

Hey, I know there are people that are rightfully upset, but I'm going to try and explain the thought process here. You might disagree with it, but this is the situation.

The goal with this Comp was for the Keys to come out much earlier, giving players something to do while AW was down. I'm not sure why it's only going out now, but here we are.

Loyalty was the central part of this compensation, making up for most of a lot of what was lost in the unplanned downtime, not for the entire downtime, since we purposely moved those rewards into BGs and told everybody about it in advance.

I know that when we say "compensation", people set their own standards in their heads, and often look at older compensations that we've done as a benchmark, when every situation needs to be treated differently.

If there is CONSTRUCTIVE feedback on what you think you should have been included, please let us know and we can discuss with the game team about it. No guarantees that anything comes of it, but we'll have those discussions.

If you're not going to be constructive though, we're going to ignore you.

Why not just give everyone the rewards they got last season as compensation? We literally missed a whole season of rewards and including it in bgs does nothing because they’re two different game modes and not all WAR PLAYERS play bgs. Giving us the rewards we got last season would’ve been the smartest thing. A lot better than whatever this “compensation “ is☠️☠️☠️

I'm not sure why you'd expect the same rewards from the season before for not actually having to playI know that not everybody plays BGs, but we were very clear that there was an extended off-season with a way to get the rewards if you want them. That was never part of the plan and I don't see why you thought it would be, or would expect it to be.

“Who said I expected that? It’s Kabam. Lmfao, I don’t expect much from y’all. ☠️☠️☠️☠️ You asked for a suggestion, and I gave you one. I’m not the only one who has suggested it. 🤷🏾‍♂️ Maybe if you guys had a half-capable game team, or even a few devs who actually played the game, you would understand why players are so upset. 🤣”

I asked for constructive feedback, and you didn't give me that. You came in acting like a jerk, and I am giving you back what you gave me.

You responded to someone who was acting like a jerk. But can you blame people? You guys mess up aw start times and then give us “comp” that doesn’t help us much and gives us things to do and spend resources on. We have a right to be angry and you show your true colors by acting the way you do

You have a right to be upset, for sure! We take constructive feedback seriously, and I've said that much in this very thread, but when you attack my team, you're attacking real people, who also have the right to be upset. Remember that Forum Moderators, Community Managers and more are not Customer Service people (not that you should be yelling at Customer Servicer agents either...), and that we're not just here to take whatever people throw at us.

We're trying to fix this situation, and if somebody is acting in a poor manner, it doesn't make us want to help more. It makes people want to walk away, which they are totally in their right to. Constructive feedback leads to results, non-constructive feedback leads to good feedback being ignored.

GabeZRod

GabeZRod said:

We haven’t had a war season in pretty much 2 months and since then July 4 deals and 7* have made AW defense WAY stronger and we’re all way out of practice. we really couldn’t get AW compensation in the form of AW potions and boosts? Instead we get 4 40% revives and 2 gauntlet keys? Bruh.

@Kabam Miike does the Kabam team have any knowledge on general increases to defense rosters in AW quite yet? That’s my biggest concern. It seems like last season in the P2/P3 tiers, there were like 75-80% 6*R4s/7*R1s and like 15 6*R3s. With July 4 deals, I’d guess this is like 50% 6*R5s/7*R2s and 45% 6*R4s/7*R1s. 300k loyalty is going to spent considerably faster—some of these 7* fights during off-season are just rancid to fight now

Darkness275

Kabam Miike said:

The goal with this Comp was for the Keys to come out much earlier, giving players something to do while AW was down. I'm not sure why it's only going out now, but here we are.

I feel like you've been saying "I'm not sure why..." quite a lot this past month.

Kabam Miike said:

Loyalty was the central part of this compensation, making up for most of a lot of what was lost in the unplanned downtime, not for the entire downtime, since we purposely moved those rewards into BGs and told everybody about it in advance.

If we don't consider the keys as part of the compensation package... Loyalty is effectively the only part of this compensation. It's not central... it's all there is.

I LOVE the keys. Genuinely, thanks.
But for most players, going through the gauntlet will cost them more units than any war could have... so it's not really a boon to them. It honestly comes across as a company wondering how they can benefit their bottom line. With all the units that will be spent, I can guarantee that in the end Kabam will benefit from this compensation package far more than the players will.

Swamp_Dragon

Game's a shambles atm. Bad vibes everywhere.

Go_To

This is the epitome of what kabam is as a company.

They mess up aw start timesushing it back more than once.
This results in promised compensation for the items expiring and extra down time
For comp they give us a tiny bit of loyalty and 5 revives. And throw in two keys to add extra work to be done and resources to be spent because that fits the definition of comp to them.
Then, when people call them out for it and ask for something better and more applicable they insult us, don’t give us answers and blatantly don’t realize what their offering is not what’s needed.

To be clear I don’t mind getting the gauntlet keys, it’ll give some rewards I need, but as the main part of the compensation it is in horrible taste. It should have been added as an afterthought

SandeepS

Realistic compensation. Take the middle point of the rewards, possibly gold 1 bracket? Then get the season rewards and divide them by 2, then give that to the community. That makes up for the delay and missed rewards. Benefits lower players more than higher players but something better than nothing. Easy and quick to roll out. Preferred option would be linked to the rewards we received in the season before but the complexity of people moving alliances etc. would be too time consuming.

Actman

Belgarion said:

good evening, what the players find ridiculous is quite simply that 95% of the players (maybe less, maybe more but in any case a large majority) will absolutely not be able to use the interesting compensations from you while all the players can participate in wars and have rewards at their level. could say that you gave the rewards in bg … yes for a month of missing war and not for 2 and it took a lot of time and also a lot of resources to reach the 400,000 points needed. much more than the resource time needed for the season of war. I confirm the opinion of many. outdated and disappointing compensation. giving nothing wouldn't have been worse. maybe even less "shocking". Have a good evening.

One time they put all resources in BGs. Grind BGs and get your compensation.on the other side, you got lower rank rewards than usual for the hard work you did. No one said anything at that time. So here we go again. Another "Grind and Get" compensation. And it will go on from now.

DUHveed

Miike, I know you’re just the bridge for the community to the devs/game team, but hopefully you can explain to the game team that adding something into a compensation package that they had “intended” on sending out weeks prior without communicating it is the reason the community is upset about it.
Constructive feedback- Comms have got to improve. The way your message reads makes it sound like you were in the dark about this as much as we were. Sounds like someone seriously dropped the ball in getting this communicated. If the devs decide future compensations are warranted, I’d recommend they communicate that to the community in advance. This would save you the hassle of having to put out a gigantic dumpster fire.
The loyalty is fine. The revives are fine. Others have suggested giving prior season’s rewards and I agree. Maybe also throw in some AW boosts as well. But comms HAVE to improve.

hellothere372

to be fair miike did say the keys were supposed to be given earlier so technically they aren't apart of the compensation lol. as for the rest of the compo maybe we could get some aw reward related stuff based on either progression level or your war placement and some of the rewards could be shards, crystals, more loyalty etc.

CaptainAmazeO

Was that the best Kabam could do for AW compensation? That was just pathetic. All the delays and run around. Just to get a couple revives, some keys and a little bit of loyalty. How cheap can Kabam get

CitizenBrain

Constructive feedback eh? Ok. Open up the first path in the gauntlet so you can go straight to the rewards and Thanos after completing the first path for like a limited time so you aren't asking us to sink a ton of resources into it. Still have to do some of the content but not the whole gauntlet.

Otherwise these keys will just sit there forever. I'll never use them. I have zero interest in running that whole gauntlet.

Csutton

Just laughable. But not surprising smh