Angela and medusa are amazing, but Thor, show me a picture of 40000 damage from any cosmic.
That Thor did 10000 damage on first hammer and then 27000 on the second hammer just sp2 alone. So after that special your enemy will be stunned, then add to that the damage from 5 hits on 2 armor breaks which is insane ~ 12000 plus a damagr from a SP 1 and stun again.
One picture says 10000 words and I show you proof above you all.
Actually, that picture doesn't have context, so it doesn't tell me much at all. Given the way armor break currently works, I honestly don't know what I'm looking at, but I don't think I'm looking at the intrinsic damage of Thor.
2 armor breaks = 6000 armor reduction,
Masteries: Suicides and courage
Assassin just level 1
The same special with thor above 50 percent health does 15000+ damage on last hammer compared to 25000+. Again this is just the last punch.the damage from the 5 hits combo plus the first hammer is still no even the equation.
Unless they changed it again, armor break is affected by DR. 3000 armor break is about 60% armor break. 6000 armor break is about 75% armor break. They don't stack like they did in the past. In fact, not only do they not stack like they did, armor break itself doesn't work they way it did pre-12.
Assassins level 1 adds 20% attack, which should increase your damage by 20% even on critical hits. You would need assassins rank 5 to get the damage increase numbers you mention above which is about 60% increase (15000 to 25000). I'm going to assume that your damage number observations are correct for assassins given that discrepancy.
Full suicides would increase attack by 67.2% and also special damage by an additional 30% (assuming full recoil). So your special attack damage is being increased to about 217% (1.672 x 1.3) of normal due to masteries.
If you are saying that without assassins your per hit damage is 38% lower (25k down to 15k) and your assassins total damage for SP2 is about 40k under assassins, that would mean pre-assassins total damage would be about 24k, and that would be 11k before suicides.
In other words, anything that can deal an 11k crit with SP2 without suicides would be doing about the same 40k in your picture with them and within assassins range. This factors in the armor break: it just separates the contribution due to masteries.
My guess is that we're looking at a ~6k crit, amplified by a 67% attack increase, a 30% special increase, a 75% armor break and an assassins boost to 40k. That's high, but not astronomically high. Its not high enough to be a replacement for a damage over time measurement.
Angela and medusa are amazing, but Thor, show me a picture of 40000 damage from any cosmic.
That Thor did 10000 damage on first hammer and then 27000 on the second hammer just sp2 alone. So after that special your enemy will be stunned, then add to that the damage from 5 hits on 2 armor breaks which is insane ~ 12000 plus a damagr from a SP 1 and stun again.
One picture says 10000 words and I show you proof above you all.
Actually, that picture doesn't have context, so it doesn't tell me much at all. Given the way armor break currently works, I honestly don't know what I'm looking at, but I don't think I'm looking at the intrinsic damage of Thor.
2 armor breaks = 6000 armor reduction,
Masteries: Suicides and courage
Assassin just level 1
The same special with thor above 50 percent health does 15000+ damage on last hammer compared to 25000+. Again this is just the last punch.the damage from the 5 hits combo plus the first hammer is still no even the equation.
Unless they changed it again, armor break is affected by DR. 3000 armor break is about 60% armor break. 6000 armor break is about 75% armor break. They don't stack like they did in the past. In fact, not only do they not stack like they did, armor break itself doesn't work they way it did pre-12.
Assassins level 1 adds 20% attack, which should increase your damage by 20% even on critical hits. You would need assassins rank 5 to get the damage increase numbers you mention above which is about 60% increase (15000 to 25000). I'm going to assume that your damage number observations are correct for assassins given that discrepancy.
Full suicides would increase attack by 67.2% and also special damage by an additional 30% (assuming full recoil). So your special attack damage is being increased to about 217% (1.672 x 1.3) of normal due to masteries.
If you are saying that without assassins your per hit damage is 38% lower (25k down to 15k) and your assassins total damage for SP2 is about 40k under assassins, that would mean pre-assassins total damage would be about 24k, and that would be 11k before suicides.
In other words, anything that can deal an 11k crit with SP2 without suicides would be doing about the same 40k in your picture with them and within assassins range. This factors in the armor break: it just separates the contribution due to masteries.
My guess is that we're looking at a ~6k crit, amplified by a 67% attack increase, a 30% special increase, a 75% armor break and an assassins boost to 40k. That's high, but not astronomically high. Its not high enough to be a replacement for a damage over time measurement.
Did a thread on 3* 4/40 tests on WS (just so all champs were max sig/near max sig)
2minute test of 5ish fights averaged all with mutant crit team
Short summary of results were as follows:
Hyperion was signifcantly ahead.
Drax and angela were pretty much the same (opponent could bleed, to keep in mind)
Medusa was slightly below angela/drax (but she did not have the 6 fury synergy, keep that in mind)
AA did damage close to hype.
Gwenpool was inbetween AA and angela
Thor was the worst among everyone.
So in order hype>AA>>gwenpool>>angela~>drax~>medusa>thor
>> = signifcantly greater
~> = slightly greater/almost the same
Some people just like to see the big hits of thor but he really is nowhere near top of the cosmic class in terms of DPS. CapWW2 is really talking out of pure speculation with no basis but biases.
Medusa with 6 fury synergy I can imagine is ahead of drax/angela, because she was so close with only able to get 3 furies.
*So my opinion on the o.p.'s issue. Rank up drax unless you specifically wait for hyperion. Waiting for an angela/medusa/thor is not worth the time*
I am sure as one other test has been posted if people did less talking and more testing, maybe their falsified opinions will change.
And finally o.p. if you have 3* variants test it out yourself, can't hurt, and you can see who you like better in the process.
Did a thread on 3* 4/40 tests on WS (just so all champs were max sig/near max sig)
2minute test of 5ish fights averaged all with mutant crit team
Short summary of results were as follows:
Hyperion was signifcantly ahead.
Drax and angela were pretty much the same (opponent could bleed, to keep in mind)
Medusa was slightly below angela/drax (but she did not have the 6 fury synergy, keep that in mind)
AA did damage close to hype.
Gwenpool was inbetween AA and angela
Thor was the worst among everyone.
So in order hype>AA>>gwenpool>>angela~>drax~>medusa>thor
>> = signifcantly greater
~> = slightly greater/almost the same
Some people just like to see the big hits of thor but he really is nowhere near top of the cosmic class in terms of DPS. CapWW2 is really talking out of pure speculation with no basis but biases.
Medusa with 6 fury synergy I can imagine is ahead of drax/angela, because she was so close with only able to get 3 furies.
*So my opinion on the o.p.'s issue. Rank up drax unless you specifically wait for hyperion. Waiting for an angela/medusa/thor is not worth the time*
I am sure as one other test has been posted if people did less talking and more testing, maybe their falsified opinions will change.
And finally o.p. if you have 3* variants test it out yourself, can't hurt, and you can see who you like better in the process.
Your statement is an allucination. You are not using thor well. I have all the champs you mentioned above. Just do that antman fight with any of the champs you mentioned and let me know.
Again You say that medusa and drax are better than Thor? Laughable, First AA has class advantage and of course. My maxed AA takes WS with 120 hits just like SL.
Maxed hyperion takes WS down with 220 hits and THor takes 240 hits. GP took 280 hits. I do not have angela. Drax took 360 hits. Drax is the worst out of all cosmic 4 stars; it took me 360 hits. Only kamala kan and groots are worst than him.
If your not in a hurry to rank then wait for medusa to come around the feature crystal again she is a beast and you dont have to rely on parry for armour breaks. Plus she is poison immune . Hype or medusa are the best options for cosmic ranking
You killed WS with the same amount of hits my 4 star THOR did. And you are using a rank 4 5 star. That is pretty pathetic. She is an amazing champ but do that with a 4 star medusa and lets talk.
Drax is a huge pile of trash. I cleared the whole act 5 with Thor so dont waste your resources on him. Out of 4 stars Thor had the biggest damage output after Hyperion. So Thor is the second best cosmic 4 star.
no.... just no.....
rofl I cant get over the fact you said thor is the second best cosmic. You can keep telling yourself that, but fact is both Angela and Hela have better damage then thor, not to mention they both have some utility, while thor has none (I don't count stun as utility, if your good then stunning the champ isn't very helpful, you can just parry/intercept to get your next combo).
Also your saying drax is a pile of trash because you used a thor for act 5? seriously dude! the **** does that have to do with drax. If your going to argue a point, use relevant information. The fact you used Thor for act 5 has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with how good/bad drax is.
That said, i agree that thor is better then drax, simply due to the fact he doesn't get gimped against bleed immune champs. Damage wise he isn't that much better then drax.
Drax is a huge pile of trash. I cleared the whole act 5 with Thor so dont waste your resources on him. Out of 4 stars Thor had the biggest damage output after Hyperion. So Thor is the second best cosmic 4 star.
no.... just no.....
rofl I cant get over the fact you said thor is the second best cosmic. You can keep telling yourself that, but fact is both Angela and Hela have better damage then thor, not to mention they both have some utility, while thor has none (I don't count stun as utility, if your good then stunning the champ isn't very helpful, you can just parry/intercept to get your next combo).
Also your saying drax is a pile of trash because you used a thor for act 5? seriously dude! the **** does that have to do with drax. If your going to argue a point, use relevant information. The fact you used Thor for act 5 has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with how good/bad drax is.
That said, i agree that thor is better then drax, simply due to the fact he doesn't get gimped against bleed immune champs. Damage wise he isn't that much better then drax.
this guy is delusional, every single streamer comparing angela, thor,, drax side to side report completely different numbers. I am also full suicides and out of boredom killed WS many times with all the supposedly high dmg champs with the same mutant synergy team and compared attack, crit, etc teams. He claims Gwen took 280 hits and Thor 240?? I'm preparing for LOL half a T2a from finishing R4 x23 so have done extensive testing on true damage over long fights. The numbers he is giving are randomly made up unless he absolutely doesn't know how to play the game or just did it once and is basing everything off 1 screen shot or 1 fight. Gwen beats Thor EVERY single time by a gigantic margin even if you play slow with Thor to hit as little as you can and maximize parry/break uptime. Once Gwen gets sp3 gigantic armor break it refreshes forever from a sustaining a single bleed and her sustained damage destroys Thors.
From someone who has actually run WS and red hulk probably hundreds of times for pots and preparing for LOL I can confidently say his numbers are completely wrong. I have tested every synergy team with x23, then many runs with Thor Drax CM x23 Gwen. Thor LOOKS like he does crazy dmg from random double suicide specials crits but he is in the same league as Drax and CM - slightly less hits but actually longer fights cuz you don't want to waste your specials with no armor breaks on so you have to alter your play. When you figure in Time to Kill vs how can I cheese to get the best numbers, common unglorified champs like Drax and CM become close to identical to Thor. And against a stun immune he quickly goes to dead last. I actually prefer CM to both since she takes slightly more hits but relies on no bleed/stun immune status and has the simplest play style.
Actually playing them the right way and more than just 1 screen shot as an example vs tens of thousands of hits, this is the order of WS farming/killing on what I've tested:
SL> Gwen > x23 (even with class bonus but unduped) >>> Thor/Drax/CM who are all very close to each other in the time it takes to actually finish the fight which is vastly more relevant than how few hits you can cheese a fight. Vaguely the average hits to kill is 130 SL, 150-160 for Gwen (how the hell did he get 280 unless it was just made up or doesn't know how to play her), 170-180 for x23 (unduped), 250-290 Thor/Drax/CM (Thor less hits but just as long of a fight due to delays in stacking parries). This is with double suicides and no DW or Drax would be even closer. There's no way Drax takes 360 hits for a suicides player unless he's comparing a low sig one to max duped Thor.
The ONLY number he has semi close is Thor at 240-250 hits. Everything else is off by a huge factor - either made up, comparing low sig to max, not knowing how to play Gwen, etc. I don't have Angela maxed yet but pretty much every REPUTABLE streamer I've seen has her above all the cosmics he is comparing and uses objective data and timed side by side vids vs 1 cherry picked screen shot.
Hey everyone again!Really helpful to see all those different comparisons especially with all the testing involved!!As i explained i created the thread to get a general opinion on cosmic champs and especially Drax comparison to them and i am really happy with all the info you provided here!!!
For the record i did upgraded Drax!I know i said i would wait...just realised it suited me pretty well since he had synergies with nebula and SL who are both in my team as 4*...+10% perfect block and 2 precision synergies just from having those 3 in my team sounds pretty good!
P.S:i would like to do a test myself but my 3* version of drag is at lvl1 and unbelievably i don't have Hyp not even as a 3*(how unlucky..no Hyperion in my roster and i really have a lot 3*..even some maxed out ones...),not to mention medusa..
P.S.2:As for the hits comparison,as somebody mention in an earlier comment you have to keep in mind Drax has a 6hit basic combo instead of the classic 5 of the other champs(he has a 2-hit medium),Also Medusa has tons of hits on her specials so it its a completely fair comparison for her either!Maybe a time testing is fairer,as some already did!Its still interesting to see both testing result,so thanks again for all the info/testing provided!
Lastly you can keep the discussion going of course as it would help others figure out who to rank up or who to expect as well!!!
You killed WS with the same amount of hits my 4 star THOR did. And you are using a rank 4 5 star. That is pretty pathetic. She is an amazing champ but do that with a 4 star medusa and lets talk.
1. It's a rank 3
2. It's played suboptimally
3. It's not using the royal family synergy
4. Medusa's specials have much more hits than Thor's
Did a thread on 3* 4/40 tests on WS (just so all champs were max sig/near max sig)
2minute test of 5ish fights averaged all with mutant crit team
Short summary of results were as follows:
Hyperion was signifcantly ahead.
Drax and angela were pretty much the same (opponent could bleed, to keep in mind)
Medusa was slightly below angela/drax (but she did not have the 6 fury synergy, keep that in mind)
AA did damage close to hype.
Gwenpool was inbetween AA and angela
Thor was the worst among everyone.
So in order hype>AA>>gwenpool>>angela~>drax~>medusa>thor
>> = signifcantly greater
~> = slightly greater/almost the same
Some people just like to see the big hits of thor but he really is nowhere near top of the cosmic class in terms of DPS. CapWW2 is really talking out of pure speculation with no basis but biases.
Medusa with 6 fury synergy I can imagine is ahead of drax/angela, because she was so close with only able to get 3 furies.
*So my opinion on the o.p.'s issue. Rank up drax unless you specifically wait for hyperion. Waiting for an angela/medusa/thor is not worth the time*
I am sure as one other test has been posted if people did less talking and more testing, maybe their falsified opinions will change.
And finally o.p. if you have 3* variants test it out yourself, can't hurt, and you can see who you like better in the process.
Your statement is an allucination. You are not using thor well. I have all the champs you mentioned above. Just do that antman fight with any of the champs you mentioned and let me know.
Again You say that medusa and drax are better than Thor? Laughable, First AA has class advantage and of course. My maxed AA takes WS with 120 hits just like SL.
Maxed hyperion takes WS down with 220 hits and THor takes 240 hits. GP took 280 hits. I do not have angela. Drax took 360 hits. Drax is the worst out of all cosmic 4 stars; it took me 360 hits. Only kamala kan and groots are worst than him.
First I must seriously question if you believe that hit count = dps???
Second I would like to point out gwenpool and AA were thrown in more as "positive controls" in that testing just to see how the lower cosmic class does as a whole (I am aware of the class advantage).
Please stop with your extremely primitive, pooly thought out counter-arguements. You are misleading the o.p. and that is not fair. As a fellow player you should be providing an unbiased opinion so the o.p. can formulate his/her own.
Good choice with going with drax, it is safe to say his damage per second (dps) is close to angela and thor, although if like others said is hindered by bleed immune, thor by stun immune, and angela is probably the best out of the three.
Medusa is better than them but not close to hyperion's dps, and probably hyperion would been the only cosmic worth waiting for because of this and the fact medusa is not even in crystals at the moment.
Hey everyone again!Really helpful to see all those different comparisons especially with all the testing involved!!As i explained i created the thread to get a general opinion on cosmic champs and especially Drax comparison to them and i am really happy with all the info you provided here!!!
For the record i did upgraded Drax!I know i said i would wait...just realised it suited me pretty well since he had synergies with nebula and SL who are both in my team as 4*...+10% perfect block and 2 precision synergies just from having those 3 in my team sounds pretty good!
P.S:i would like to do a test myself but my 3* version of drag is at lvl1 and unbelievably i don't have Hyp not even as a 3*(how unlucky..no Hyperion in my roster and i really have a lot 3*..even some maxed out ones...),not to mention medusa..
P.S.2:As for the hits comparison,as somebody mention in an earlier comment you have to keep in mind Drax has a 6hit basic combo instead of the classic 5 of the other champs(he has a 2-hit medium),Also Medusa has tons of hits on her specials so it its a completely fair comparison for her either!Maybe a time testing is fairer,as some already did!Its still interesting to see both testing result,so thanks again for all the info/testing provided!
Lastly you can keep the discussion going of course as it would help others figure out who to rank up or who to expect as well!!!
My friend show me a screenshot of how many hits takes a 4 star cosmic to beat WS with suicides and not synergies. This is what I got from my THOR. 228 hits and i got proof.
Show hyperion, drax or medusa and I can guaranteed you it wont be less hits than Thor.
Amount of hits isn't a great comparison but this does make me question whether the suicides really do do a lot to Thor, I'd like to see anyone do lol with Thor, drax is a serious contender
Amount of hits isn't a great comparison but this does make me question whether the suicides really do do a lot to Thor, I'd like to see anyone do lol with Thor, drax is a serious contender
You dont do LOL with 4 star drax. Seriously? The only reason why drax is relevant it is because there is a 5 star versionon him. There is a reason why kabam refuses to release a 5 star OG Thor. Lets compare apple to oranges correct?
4 star Thor does more damage than a lousy rank 3 5 star drax period. You dont have to like it but it is the truth.
Hey everyone again!Really helpful to see all those different comparisons especially with all the testing involved!!As i explained i created the thread to get a general opinion on cosmic champs and especially Drax comparison to them and i am really happy with all the info you provided here!!!
For the record i did upgraded Drax!I know i said i would wait...just realised it suited me pretty well since he had synergies with nebula and SL who are both in my team as 4*...+10% perfect block and 2 precision synergies just from having those 3 in my team sounds pretty good!
P.S:i would like to do a test myself but my 3* version of drag is at lvl1 and unbelievably i don't have Hyp not even as a 3*(how unlucky..no Hyperion in my roster and i really have a lot 3*..even some maxed out ones...),not to mention medusa..
P.S.2:As for the hits comparison,as somebody mention in an earlier comment you have to keep in mind Drax has a 6hit basic combo instead of the classic 5 of the other champs(he has a 2-hit medium),Also Medusa has tons of hits on her specials so it its a completely fair comparison for her either!Maybe a time testing is fairer,as some already did!Its still interesting to see both testing result,so thanks again for all the info/testing provided!
Lastly you can keep the discussion going of course as it would help others figure out who to rank up or who to expect as well!!!
My friend show me a screenshot of how many hits takes a 4 star cosmic to beat WS with suicides and not synergies. This is what I got from my THOR. 228 hits and i got proof.
Show hyperion, drax or medusa and I can guaranteed you it wont be less hits than Thor.
how many times have we pointed out that it is easy to cheese hit count and it does not = DPS. We have already posted others getting in the 240 range with Thor, slightly more parry-MH cheesing can easily bring it to the sub 220 range by any decent player. The time it takes Thor to kill WS with 228-240 hits is as long or longer and takes more risk than CM or Drax at closer to 280 hits who can play ad lib with no attention to parries, armor breaks, or anything. And again if you're getting 360 hits with your Drax he either isn't duped or incredibly low sig since that is not the range anyone else is getting. WS has been killed I believe the record I've heard of is 48 hits with nothing but parry-H to stack AA toxins on a 4/55. Again this doesn't prove anything, damage per sec matters more than how low can I get my hit count. The time to kill is similar between Thor, Drax, and CM according to people like myself who have done much more extensive testing than a simple screenshot. Stop the meaningless crusade of screenshotting 1 special or 1 fight to get a not very impressive 228 hits if the player focuses on maximum uptime of armor break instead of playing ad lib. And stop telling people Gwen takes 280 hits and does lower damage than Thor. He is a great champ but nothing like you're trying to make him out to be in real life play. All the experienced players here also have sig 99 Thors and we're well aware of what he is able to do.
Um @CapWW2 the whole point of This topic was a 5* drax or a 4* Thor rank, I'm the drax supporter here because he is underrated if both 4* I put them
Pretty even, drax better for war attack, Thor better for (some) questing, as we keep saying hits in rol is a bs standard because if you have to wait and parry and heavy everytime to get a count like that one it's gonna take way longer and be a harder fight Than just slashing away with drax, but the point is there is a 5* drax, it's what we've been discussing the whole time and he is a real lol and endgame contender because duped he is r4 worthy, lol run in 2.5k units. That's real, he is also a contender for legends runs, that's real, Thor as a 4* hits a ceiling as do all 4*s, I'm glad you love yours but don't try tell someone to rank their unduped Thor over a 5* drax because you love your Thor so much you went through act 5 with him
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Unless they changed it again, armor break is affected by DR. 3000 armor break is about 60% armor break. 6000 armor break is about 75% armor break. They don't stack like they did in the past. In fact, not only do they not stack like they did, armor break itself doesn't work they way it did pre-12.
Assassins level 1 adds 20% attack, which should increase your damage by 20% even on critical hits. You would need assassins rank 5 to get the damage increase numbers you mention above which is about 60% increase (15000 to 25000). I'm going to assume that your damage number observations are correct for assassins given that discrepancy.
Full suicides would increase attack by 67.2% and also special damage by an additional 30% (assuming full recoil). So your special attack damage is being increased to about 217% (1.672 x 1.3) of normal due to masteries.
If you are saying that without assassins your per hit damage is 38% lower (25k down to 15k) and your assassins total damage for SP2 is about 40k under assassins, that would mean pre-assassins total damage would be about 24k, and that would be 11k before suicides.
In other words, anything that can deal an 11k crit with SP2 without suicides would be doing about the same 40k in your picture with them and within assassins range. This factors in the armor break: it just separates the contribution due to masteries.
My guess is that we're looking at a ~6k crit, amplified by a 67% attack increase, a 30% special increase, a 75% armor break and an assassins boost to 40k. That's high, but not astronomically high. Its not high enough to be a replacement for a damage over time measurement.
I dont have maxed recoil.
Did a thread on 3* 4/40 tests on WS (just so all champs were max sig/near max sig)
2minute test of 5ish fights averaged all with mutant crit team
Short summary of results were as follows:
Hyperion was signifcantly ahead.
Drax and angela were pretty much the same (opponent could bleed, to keep in mind)
Medusa was slightly below angela/drax (but she did not have the 6 fury synergy, keep that in mind)
AA did damage close to hype.
Gwenpool was inbetween AA and angela
Thor was the worst among everyone.
So in order hype>AA>>gwenpool>>angela~>drax~>medusa>thor
>> = signifcantly greater
~> = slightly greater/almost the same
Some people just like to see the big hits of thor but he really is nowhere near top of the cosmic class in terms of DPS. CapWW2 is really talking out of pure speculation with no basis but biases.
Medusa with 6 fury synergy I can imagine is ahead of drax/angela, because she was so close with only able to get 3 furies.
*So my opinion on the o.p.'s issue. Rank up drax unless you specifically wait for hyperion. Waiting for an angela/medusa/thor is not worth the time*
I am sure as one other test has been posted if people did less talking and more testing, maybe their falsified opinions will change.
And finally o.p. if you have 3* variants test it out yourself, can't hurt, and you can see who you like better in the process.
Your statement is an allucination. You are not using thor well. I have all the champs you mentioned above. Just do that antman fight with any of the champs you mentioned and let me know.
Again You say that medusa and drax are better than Thor? Laughable, First AA has class advantage and of course. My maxed AA takes WS with 120 hits just like SL.
Maxed hyperion takes WS down with 220 hits and THor takes 240 hits. GP took 280 hits. I do not have angela. Drax took 360 hits. Drax is the worst out of all cosmic 4 stars; it took me 360 hits. Only kamala kan and groots are worst than him.
You killed WS with the same amount of hits my 4 star THOR did. And you are using a rank 4 5 star. That is pretty pathetic. She is an amazing champ but do that with a 4 star medusa and lets talk.
no.... just no.....
rofl I cant get over the fact you said thor is the second best cosmic. You can keep telling yourself that, but fact is both Angela and Hela have better damage then thor, not to mention they both have some utility, while thor has none (I don't count stun as utility, if your good then stunning the champ isn't very helpful, you can just parry/intercept to get your next combo).
Also your saying drax is a pile of trash because you used a thor for act 5? seriously dude! the **** does that have to do with drax. If your going to argue a point, use relevant information. The fact you used Thor for act 5 has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with how good/bad drax is.
That said, i agree that thor is better then drax, simply due to the fact he doesn't get gimped against bleed immune champs. Damage wise he isn't that much better then drax.
this guy is delusional, every single streamer comparing angela, thor,, drax side to side report completely different numbers. I am also full suicides and out of boredom killed WS many times with all the supposedly high dmg champs with the same mutant synergy team and compared attack, crit, etc teams. He claims Gwen took 280 hits and Thor 240?? I'm preparing for LOL half a T2a from finishing R4 x23 so have done extensive testing on true damage over long fights. The numbers he is giving are randomly made up unless he absolutely doesn't know how to play the game or just did it once and is basing everything off 1 screen shot or 1 fight. Gwen beats Thor EVERY single time by a gigantic margin even if you play slow with Thor to hit as little as you can and maximize parry/break uptime. Once Gwen gets sp3 gigantic armor break it refreshes forever from a sustaining a single bleed and her sustained damage destroys Thors.
From someone who has actually run WS and red hulk probably hundreds of times for pots and preparing for LOL I can confidently say his numbers are completely wrong. I have tested every synergy team with x23, then many runs with Thor Drax CM x23 Gwen. Thor LOOKS like he does crazy dmg from random double suicide specials crits but he is in the same league as Drax and CM - slightly less hits but actually longer fights cuz you don't want to waste your specials with no armor breaks on so you have to alter your play. When you figure in Time to Kill vs how can I cheese to get the best numbers, common unglorified champs like Drax and CM become close to identical to Thor. And against a stun immune he quickly goes to dead last. I actually prefer CM to both since she takes slightly more hits but relies on no bleed/stun immune status and has the simplest play style.
Actually playing them the right way and more than just 1 screen shot as an example vs tens of thousands of hits, this is the order of WS farming/killing on what I've tested:
SL> Gwen > x23 (even with class bonus but unduped) >>> Thor/Drax/CM who are all very close to each other in the time it takes to actually finish the fight which is vastly more relevant than how few hits you can cheese a fight. Vaguely the average hits to kill is 130 SL, 150-160 for Gwen (how the hell did he get 280 unless it was just made up or doesn't know how to play her), 170-180 for x23 (unduped), 250-290 Thor/Drax/CM (Thor less hits but just as long of a fight due to delays in stacking parries). This is with double suicides and no DW or Drax would be even closer. There's no way Drax takes 360 hits for a suicides player unless he's comparing a low sig one to max duped Thor.
The ONLY number he has semi close is Thor at 240-250 hits. Everything else is off by a huge factor - either made up, comparing low sig to max, not knowing how to play Gwen, etc. I don't have Angela maxed yet but pretty much every REPUTABLE streamer I've seen has her above all the cosmics he is comparing and uses objective data and timed side by side vids vs 1 cherry picked screen shot.
For the record i did upgraded Drax!I know i said i would wait...just realised it suited me pretty well since he had synergies with nebula and SL who are both in my team as 4*...+10% perfect block and 2 precision synergies just from having those 3 in my team sounds pretty good!
P.S:i would like to do a test myself but my 3* version of drag is at lvl1 and unbelievably i don't have Hyp not even as a 3*(how unlucky..no Hyperion in my roster and i really have a lot 3*..even some maxed out ones...),not to mention medusa..
P.S.2:As for the hits comparison,as somebody mention in an earlier comment you have to keep in mind Drax has a 6hit basic combo instead of the classic 5 of the other champs(he has a 2-hit medium),Also Medusa has tons of hits on her specials so it its a completely fair comparison for her either!Maybe a time testing is fairer,as some already did!Its still interesting to see both testing result,so thanks again for all the info/testing provided!
Lastly you can keep the discussion going of course as it would help others figure out who to rank up or who to expect as well!!!
1. It's a rank 3
2. It's played suboptimally
3. It's not using the royal family synergy
4. Medusa's specials have much more hits than Thor's
First I must seriously question if you believe that hit count = dps???
Second I would like to point out gwenpool and AA were thrown in more as "positive controls" in that testing just to see how the lower cosmic class does as a whole (I am aware of the class advantage).
Please stop with your extremely primitive, pooly thought out counter-arguements. You are misleading the o.p. and that is not fair. As a fellow player you should be providing an unbiased opinion so the o.p. can formulate his/her own.
Medusa is better than them but not close to hyperion's dps, and probably hyperion would been the only cosmic worth waiting for because of this and the fact medusa is not even in crystals at the moment.
My friend show me a screenshot of how many hits takes a 4 star cosmic to beat WS with suicides and not synergies. This is what I got from my THOR. 228 hits and i got proof.
Show hyperion, drax or medusa and I can guaranteed you it wont be less hits than Thor.
You dont do LOL with 4 star drax. Seriously? The only reason why drax is relevant it is because there is a 5 star versionon him. There is a reason why kabam refuses to release a 5 star OG Thor. Lets compare apple to oranges correct?
4 star Thor does more damage than a lousy rank 3 5 star drax period. You dont have to like it but it is the truth.
how many times have we pointed out that it is easy to cheese hit count and it does not = DPS. We have already posted others getting in the 240 range with Thor, slightly more parry-MH cheesing can easily bring it to the sub 220 range by any decent player. The time it takes Thor to kill WS with 228-240 hits is as long or longer and takes more risk than CM or Drax at closer to 280 hits who can play ad lib with no attention to parries, armor breaks, or anything. And again if you're getting 360 hits with your Drax he either isn't duped or incredibly low sig since that is not the range anyone else is getting. WS has been killed I believe the record I've heard of is 48 hits with nothing but parry-H to stack AA toxins on a 4/55. Again this doesn't prove anything, damage per sec matters more than how low can I get my hit count. The time to kill is similar between Thor, Drax, and CM according to people like myself who have done much more extensive testing than a simple screenshot. Stop the meaningless crusade of screenshotting 1 special or 1 fight to get a not very impressive 228 hits if the player focuses on maximum uptime of armor break instead of playing ad lib. And stop telling people Gwen takes 280 hits and does lower damage than Thor. He is a great champ but nothing like you're trying to make him out to be in real life play. All the experienced players here also have sig 99 Thors and we're well aware of what he is able to do.
Pretty even, drax better for war attack, Thor better for (some) questing, as we keep saying hits in rol is a bs standard because if you have to wait and parry and heavy everytime to get a count like that one it's gonna take way longer and be a harder fight Than just slashing away with drax, but the point is there is a 5* drax, it's what we've been discussing the whole time and he is a real lol and endgame contender because duped he is r4 worthy, lol run in 2.5k units. That's real, he is also a contender for legends runs, that's real, Thor as a 4* hits a ceiling as do all 4*s, I'm glad you love yours but don't try tell someone to rank their unduped Thor over a 5* drax because you love your Thor so much you went through act 5 with him