Necropolis MVP?

Bulmkt

Other

ItsClobberinTime said:

Qwerty12345 said:

um, I see everyone with some very specific opinions.

I've seen some data points /conspiracy theories on why zemo that make a little sense (although I am having a hard time believing that the "MVP" won't be a 7 star champ due to the extra time you get)... but some of the arguments above seem so specific, you would think the nodes, enemies, which ones are on which path, etc. had been announced/ leaked.

Am I missing an announcement?

Nah, these are just predictions based on what we know so far, we could all definitely be wrong.
As for the conspiracy theories about Zemo, I don't know which ones you've heard lol but most people here just think Zemo will be great because he is basically made for long fights. It takes a while to get to 99 bleeds but when you get there the damage per second is absurd.

My R4 Zemo at 99 bleeds pumps out like 5,500 bleed per second

So I’m guessing a R5 ascended version must be over 8,000 per second?

ItsClobberinTime

Shuri

Bulmkt said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

Qwerty12345 said:

um, I see everyone with some very specific opinions.

I've seen some data points /conspiracy theories on why zemo that make a little sense (although I am having a hard time believing that the "MVP" won't be a 7 star champ due to the extra time you get)... but some of the arguments above seem so specific, you would think the nodes, enemies, which ones are on which path, etc. had been announced/ leaked.

Am I missing an announcement?

Nah, these are just predictions based on what we know so far, we could all definitely be wrong.
As for the conspiracy theories about Zemo, I don't know which ones you've heard lol but most people here just think Zemo will be great because he is basically made for long fights. It takes a while to get to 99 bleeds but when you get there the damage per second is absurd.

My R4 Zemo at 99 bleeds pumps out like 5,500 bleed per second

So I’m guessing a R5 ascended version must be over 8,000 per second?

MSD has a video about Zemo's max damage and it was about 22k per second, r5 ascended with two Zemos for the synergies. If I had to guess how much damage per second r5 ascended without synergies yes definitely over 8k, I think we're probably looking at 10k-15k per second depending on whether you run deep wounds or not and how many points you have on it (mine's maxed thankfully).

Azdef

The issue with Kate might be the node where you take damage if you knock the defender against the wall...

Graves_3

ItsClobberinTime said:

Bulmkt said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

Qwerty12345 said:

um, I see everyone with some very specific opinions.

I've seen some data points /conspiracy theories on why zemo that make a little sense (although I am having a hard time believing that the "MVP" won't be a 7 star champ due to the extra time you get)... but some of the arguments above seem so specific, you would think the nodes, enemies, which ones are on which path, etc. had been announced/ leaked.

Am I missing an announcement?

Nah, these are just predictions based on what we know so far, we could all definitely be wrong.
As for the conspiracy theories about Zemo, I don't know which ones you've heard lol but most people here just think Zemo will be great because he is basically made for long fights. It takes a while to get to 99 bleeds but when you get there the damage per second is absurd.

My R4 Zemo at 99 bleeds pumps out like 5,500 bleed per second

So I’m guessing a R5 ascended version must be over 8,000 per second?

MSD has a video about Zemo's max damage and it was about 22k per second, r5 ascended with two Zemos for the synergies. If I had to guess how much damage per second r5 ascended without synergies yes definitely over 8k, I think we're probably looking at 10k-15k per second depending on whether you run deep wounds or not and how many points you have on it (mine's maxed thankfully).

Deep wounds doesn’t really benefit zemo. Its main benefit is to increase duration of bleeds not potency.

Squammo

Azdef said:

The issue with Kate might be the node where you take damage if you knock the defender against the wall...

Definitely. But that is only one of the trap nodes and there will hopefully be other fights without it where she will shine.

ItsClobberinTime

Shuri

Graves_3 said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

Bulmkt said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

Qwerty12345 said:

um, I see everyone with some very specific opinions.

I've seen some data points /conspiracy theories on why zemo that make a little sense (although I am having a hard time believing that the "MVP" won't be a 7 star champ due to the extra time you get)... but some of the arguments above seem so specific, you would think the nodes, enemies, which ones are on which path, etc. had been announced/ leaked.

Am I missing an announcement?

Nah, these are just predictions based on what we know so far, we could all definitely be wrong.
As for the conspiracy theories about Zemo, I don't know which ones you've heard lol but most people here just think Zemo will be great because he is basically made for long fights. It takes a while to get to 99 bleeds but when you get there the damage per second is absurd.

My R4 Zemo at 99 bleeds pumps out like 5,500 bleed per second

So I’m guessing a R5 ascended version must be over 8,000 per second?

MSD has a video about Zemo's max damage and it was about 22k per second, r5 ascended with two Zemos for the synergies. If I had to guess how much damage per second r5 ascended without synergies yes definitely over 8k, I think we're probably looking at 10k-15k per second depending on whether you run deep wounds or not and how many points you have on it (mine's maxed thankfully).

Deep wounds doesn’t really benefit zemo. Its main benefit is to increase duration of bleeds not potency.

???

Zuko_ILC

Ægon (last but not least)

I think Kabam forgot that making content way too hard makes the majority of their player base not even attempt it. They have nerfed a lot of content. I agree it should be challenging but most should still be able to complete it at least with units. The last phase of grandmaster sounds like a nightmare.

Graves_3

ItsClobberinTime said:

Graves_3 said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

Bulmkt said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

Qwerty12345 said:

um, I see everyone with some very specific opinions.

I've seen some data points /conspiracy theories on why zemo that make a little sense (although I am having a hard time believing that the "MVP" won't be a 7 star champ due to the extra time you get)... but some of the arguments above seem so specific, you would think the nodes, enemies, which ones are on which path, etc. had been announced/ leaked.

Am I missing an announcement?

Nah, these are just predictions based on what we know so far, we could all definitely be wrong.
As for the conspiracy theories about Zemo, I don't know which ones you've heard lol but most people here just think Zemo will be great because he is basically made for long fights. It takes a while to get to 99 bleeds but when you get there the damage per second is absurd.

My R4 Zemo at 99 bleeds pumps out like 5,500 bleed per second

So I’m guessing a R5 ascended version must be over 8,000 per second?

MSD has a video about Zemo's max damage and it was about 22k per second, r5 ascended with two Zemos for the synergies. If I had to guess how much damage per second r5 ascended without synergies yes definitely over 8k, I think we're probably looking at 10k-15k per second depending on whether you run deep wounds or not and how many points you have on it (mine's maxed thankfully).

Deep wounds doesn’t really benefit zemo. Its main benefit is to increase duration of bleeds not potency.

???

I stand corrected. Guess I never paid attention to his synergies.

DerpyEagle

Shuri

My R2 duped Shuri boutta go brrrrr

ItsClobberinTime

Shuri

Zuko_ILC said:

I think Kabam forgot that making content way too hard makes the majority of their player base not even attempt it. They have nerfed a lot of content. I agree it should be challenging but most should still be able to complete it at least with units. The last phase of grandmaster sounds like a nightmare.

The problem is if they don't release content this hard every once in a while, people start complaining about content being too easy and boring, which is exactly what's been happening with every Act 8 chapter (not everyone complains but I do remember reading some complaints) so I can't really blame Kabam for taking Necropolis to another level. Due to the difficulty, it'll probably take most of us about 2-4 months to 100% this thing.

Emilia90

Dirty_Dozz said:

Genuine question: Why is Kate and Zemo on this list? I don't know enough about them, but neither of them seem like heavy hitters for this kind of content.

Zemo is literally built for long fights and Kate’s damage is insane. She can handle long and short fights because her coldsnap also scales with crit. If you ramp her further, you can get over 10k damage a second (or even way more).

ThePredator1001

Shuri

ItsClobberinTime said:

Zuko_ILC said:

I think Kabam forgot that making content way too hard makes the majority of their player base not even attempt it. They have nerfed a lot of content. I agree it should be challenging but most should still be able to complete it at least with units. The last phase of grandmaster sounds like a nightmare.

The problem is if they don't release content this hard every once in a while, people start complaining about content being too easy and boring, which is exactly what's been happening with every Act 8 chapter (not everyone complains but I do remember reading some complaints) so I can't really blame Kabam for taking Necropolis to another level. Due to the difficulty, it'll probably take most of us about 2-4 months to 100% this thing.

I agree, it’s nice to have some challenging content for a change. Something to actually strategize ranks ups and save up on consumables. There hasn’t been any hard content since EOP. I’m very excited to try it out since this will be the first Everest content I attempt (started too late for abyss or LoL to be worth it). I’m just hoping it’s doable with a reasonable number of revives and units. I’ve heard some crazy numbers thrown around.

Keonex

Ægon (last but not least)

Aegon

ItsClobberinTime

Shuri

ThePredator1001 said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

Zuko_ILC said:

I think Kabam forgot that making content way too hard makes the majority of their player base not even attempt it. They have nerfed a lot of content. I agree it should be challenging but most should still be able to complete it at least with units. The last phase of grandmaster sounds like a nightmare.

The problem is if they don't release content this hard every once in a while, people start complaining about content being too easy and boring, which is exactly what's been happening with every Act 8 chapter (not everyone complains but I do remember reading some complaints) so I can't really blame Kabam for taking Necropolis to another level. Due to the difficulty, it'll probably take most of us about 2-4 months to 100% this thing.

I agree, it’s nice to have some challenging content for a change. Something to actually strategize ranks ups and save up on consumables. There hasn’t been any hard content since EOP. I’m very excited to try it out since this will be the first Everest content I attempt (started too late for abyss or LoL to be worth it). I’m just hoping it’s doable with a reasonable number of revives and units. I’ve heard some crazy numbers thrown around.

Same here, I started playing eight years ago but I always left before I could even attempt Everest content and then when I came back rewards were outdated, I just didn't bother so I'm excited for this one as it will be my first one too. I did EOP of course but there's a massive difference between 900k health pools and 7M ones.
GM definitely looks like the hardest fight in the game now but the satisfaction after killing him the first time will make it worth it.

As for unit spending, I do think it's going to be high if you want to do it in one go but I think if you're patient and practice the paths multiple times before you go for it, you will be able to lower unit spending to some degree. Judging by the GM fight alone and what Kabam has said so far, all the fights will be extremely hard but unlike Abyss, there won't be random bs that you can't counter and you just die and have to spend units so yeah we'll see.

Bulmkt

Other

Anyone seen any R5 or ascended R5 Agent Venom synergy play??

I have AV at R4 and the bleeds/incinerates are huge. But I’d like to know just how much better they are at high rank and ascension.

I suspect it would be possible to run the Agent Venom Synergy on the majority of one of the necropolis paths.

Then bring in overseer and hulk to prevent reverse controls against the collector boss (leak suggests in his 3rd stage reverse controls apply and any immune champs will take 1% HP Degen damage)

Bulmkt

Other

ItsClobberinTime said:

Bulmkt said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

Qwerty12345 said:

um, I see everyone with some very specific opinions.

I've seen some data points /conspiracy theories on why zemo that make a little sense (although I am having a hard time believing that the "MVP" won't be a 7 star champ due to the extra time you get)... but some of the arguments above seem so specific, you would think the nodes, enemies, which ones are on which path, etc. had been announced/ leaked.

Am I missing an announcement?

Nah, these are just predictions based on what we know so far, we could all definitely be wrong.
As for the conspiracy theories about Zemo, I don't know which ones you've heard lol but most people here just think Zemo will be great because he is basically made for long fights. It takes a while to get to 99 bleeds but when you get there the damage per second is absurd.

My R4 Zemo at 99 bleeds pumps out like 5,500 bleed per second

So I’m guessing a R5 ascended version must be over 8,000 per second?

MSD has a video about Zemo's max damage and it was about 22k per second, r5 ascended with two Zemos for the synergies. If I had to guess how much damage per second r5 ascended without synergies yes definitely over 8k, I think we're probably looking at 10k-15k per second depending on whether you run deep wounds or not and how many points you have on it (mine's maxed thankfully).

22k bleeds is brutal…

RayhanIshaque

Kate

Emilia90 said:

Dirty_Dozz said:

Genuine question: Why is Kate and Zemo on this list? I don't know enough about them, but neither of them seem like heavy hitters for this kind of content.

Zemo is literally built for long fights and Kate’s damage is insane. She can handle long and short fights because her coldsnap also scales with crit. If you ramp her further, you can get over 10k damage a second (or even way more).

My ascended r5 with recoils does over 25k/sec within first 2 min and over 60k/sec after fully ramped with Chavez on team and recoils without boosts. She does LOL SL in 96secs. 3 coldsnaps do 22k per tick and 3 Caltrops do 85k on heavy.
She can do more damage than fully ramped Zemo only after doing 3 sp1.

Ashacekar

Zemo

Onslaught

Vance2_jr

I’m also thinking if Zemo and Kate are going to be options, Venompool needs to be in the discussion. His bleed damage after a couple of SP3s gets stupid.

captain_rogers

Ægon (last but not least)

Vance2_jr said:

I’m also thinking if Zemo and Kate are going to be options, Venompool needs to be in the discussion. His bleed damage after a couple of SP3s gets stupid.

Sadly venompool don't maintain the bleed damage, since his furies will get worn out.
Domino after high number of critical hits can inflict a very powerful bleed via sp3(obviously rng), but is very powerful

Vance2_jr

captain_rogers said:

Vance2_jr said:

I’m also thinking if Zemo and Kate are going to be options, Venompool needs to be in the discussion. His bleed damage after a couple of SP3s gets stupid.

Sadly venompool don't maintain the bleed damage, since his furies will get worn out.
Domino after high number of critical hits can inflict a very powerful bleed via sp3(obviously rng), but is very powerful

True, but they do last pretty long, plus get paused if you get a hit it quickly after the Sp3. And with power gain, you can get back to SP3 without much effort. Even if the bleeds fall off, the furies gained since the previous one causes each subsequent SP3 to deal that much more damage. In normal ROL fights, he can go from Sp3 to Sp3 without bleeds falling up, but rather bumping up in potency.

iDestroyerZ

Vance2_jr said:

I’m also thinking if Zemo and Kate are going to be options, Venompool needs to be in the discussion. His bleed damage after a couple of SP3s gets stupid.

I don't see kate being an option cause you can't corner the defender, which basically involves her whole mechanic....you can still try doing some damage without corner the defender but i think it would be a painful fight
I could be wrong tho, guess we'll have to wait to see

ItsClobberinTime

Shuri

Bulmkt said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

Bulmkt said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

Qwerty12345 said:

um, I see everyone with some very specific opinions.

I've seen some data points /conspiracy theories on why zemo that make a little sense (although I am having a hard time believing that the "MVP" won't be a 7 star champ due to the extra time you get)... but some of the arguments above seem so specific, you would think the nodes, enemies, which ones are on which path, etc. had been announced/ leaked.

Am I missing an announcement?

Nah, these are just predictions based on what we know so far, we could all definitely be wrong.
As for the conspiracy theories about Zemo, I don't know which ones you've heard lol but most people here just think Zemo will be great because he is basically made for long fights. It takes a while to get to 99 bleeds but when you get there the damage per second is absurd.

My R4 Zemo at 99 bleeds pumps out like 5,500 bleed per second

So I’m guessing a R5 ascended version must be over 8,000 per second?

MSD has a video about Zemo's max damage and it was about 22k per second, r5 ascended with two Zemos for the synergies. If I had to guess how much damage per second r5 ascended without synergies yes definitely over 8k, I think we're probably looking at 10k-15k per second depending on whether you run deep wounds or not and how many points you have on it (mine's maxed thankfully).

22k bleeds is brutal…

Yep, and the crazy part is it could've been higher with a third Zemo.

Raganator

Unpopular opinion, but hopefully not Aegon. I find it boring to ramp up a combo then ignore everything in game.

Milan1405

Ægon (last but not least)

Aegon looks much better for nameless grandmaster boss than zemo kate or shuri based on the leaked abilities.

Emilia90

Milan1405 said:

Aegon looks much better for nameless grandmaster boss than zemo kate or shuri based on the leaked abilities.

He’s only one fight in the necropolis though. The others might be better overall but we’ll have to see

ItsClobberinTime

Shuri

Milan1405 said:

Aegon looks much better for nameless grandmaster boss than zemo kate or shuri based on the leaked abilities.

Yeah I have to agree with you there since GM will shrug off every passive and debuff really fast. I do believe Shuri Zemo and Kate will be better for the rest overall though.

Milan1405

Ægon (last but not least)

Of course @Emilia90 @ItsClobberinTime I don't know anything for sure, but I'm just guessing based of the fact that the boss looks very hard and probably will cost much more than the rest of the paths. I have a 4 to 5 skill gem and an ascension held for either aegon or zemo, depending on whoever is better when necropolis comes out and we know the best champion for it (maybe neither). I'm simply leaning towards aegon as I did labyrinth and abyss runs with them both just for fun and testing purposes and aegon (and Guilly2099 tbf) reminded me exactly why they are generally the kings of everest content.

LightsAnime

Other

Imagine it being groot as the MVP 🤔