Nerf of Units in Arena Battle Chips since new update

LIS1LIS1 Member Posts: 18
edited December 2023 in General Discussion
It's not just me but I have 6 accounts and have seen results of opening battle chips from my alliance members and watched recent videos from Youtuber opening Battle Chips as well. All r getting very less amount of units and even almost no units compared to what we get normally from these crystals, in general, other times. Why does Kabam increase at first unit requirement for the Banquet event, and then nerf the Units we can get from Battle chips? We already have to grind a lot to get 11500 units in such a short time as we were prepared for maybe 5000 units like last time, which is now not worth much, so why kabam will nerf the number of units one can get and stress us players and making it even harder for players ?? And don't tell me kabam did nothing in this as I've playing this game since 1st month of its launch so I know what I'm talking about.
@Kabam Miike @Kabam Zibiit @Kabam Porthos @Kabam Vydious @Kabam Lyra Please don´t be that evil to your free-to-play player base. And for God's sake, please improve Banquet rewards and open your eyes to see where the game is currently compared to the rewards you're giving in exchange for that much amount of units and also bring back the normal drop rates to Unit ratio from Battle Chips.
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  • startropicsstartropics Member Posts: 865 ★★★★
    DNA3000 said:

    LIS1 said:

    And don't tell me kabam did nothing in this as I've playing this game since 1st month of its launch so I know what I'm talking about.

    Kabam almost certainly did nothing, and you probably don't know what you're talking about.

    I've been collecting arena crystal data since 2018, and individual crystal drops since February 2020. I have found no evidence that arena crystals drop anything other than their posted odds, and I have found no evidence that the odds of getting units changes unfavorably just prior to times like major sales or events.

    Just for giggles I decided to open some arena crystals today. Out of forty TB crystals (two million BC worth) I got 3000 units and 6,030,000 gold which is a bit lower units than average and somewhat more gold than average (it is about 600 units lower than average and about one million gold higher). For TB crystals this is wholly unnoteworthy.
    what are the rough odds again?

    battlechips divided by 500 = units?
  • Ngoalong711Ngoalong711 Member Posts: 314 ★★

    DNA3000 said:

    LIS1 said:

    And don't tell me kabam did nothing in this as I've playing this game since 1st month of its launch so I know what I'm talking about.

    Kabam almost certainly did nothing, and you probably don't know what you're talking about.

    I've been collecting arena crystal data since 2018, and individual crystal drops since February 2020. I have found no evidence that arena crystals drop anything other than their posted odds, and I have found no evidence that the odds of getting units changes unfavorably just prior to times like major sales or events.

    Just for giggles I decided to open some arena crystals today. Out of forty TB crystals (two million BC worth) I got 3000 units and 6,030,000 gold which is a bit lower units than average and somewhat more gold than average (it is about 600 units lower than average and about one million gold higher). For TB crystals this is wholly unnoteworthy.
    what are the rough odds again?

    battlechips divided by 500 = units?
    around 1k8 units for 1M BCs.
  • RasiloverRasilover Member Posts: 1,477 ★★★★
    edited December 2023
    Forum users never beating the “Silent Nerf Claims When They Experience Bad RNG” allegations I fear
  • Colinwhitworth69Colinwhitworth69 Member Posts: 7,470 ★★★★★
    Live and die by RNG.

    Nothing has changed. I opened some 300K battlechips on my alt and got more than 1K units. If that's a nerf, then nerf me, baby!

    Anyway, there is zero reason for Kabam to risk its business by putting its proverbial thumb on the scale. And anyway, if they did do that, @DNA3000 would smoke them out, LOL.
  • ahmynutsahmynuts Member Posts: 7,520 ★★★★★

    Live and die by RNG.

    Nothing has changed. I opened some 300K battlechips on my alt and got more than 1K units. If that's a nerf, then nerf me, baby!

    Anyway, there is zero reason for Kabam to risk its business by putting its proverbial thumb on the scale. And anyway, if they did do that, @DNA3000 would smoke them out, LOL.

    Mock-up exposing message, "Oh really, I just think it's funny how on December 7th, 2015 at 3:52:30 pm, you stated [ ] about the drop rates in-game in a forum thread about how Iron Man is the best champion in the game and never mentioned that that wasn't completely true which means you are a liar. *Insert the 37 photos of evidence of questionable reliability to the main topic from years ago to back up statements made*"


    I apologize if this triggered anyone
  • HungaryHippoHungaryHippo Member Posts: 1,013 ★★★★
    edited December 2023

    OP came back and disagree spammed all the comments lol

    You guys do it too. Why so miffed about OP doing it?

    Also we know no amount of “evidence” could appease you. I would have thought that after you got the last big “wrongful ban my butt” issue so wrong, you’d have learned some civility.

    Is the OP right? I don’t know. Do I trust that Kabam’s drop rates haven’t unintentionally changed. As much as I trust Nick Fury not to be bugged each update.
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 19,639 Guardian

    DNA3000 said:

    LIS1 said:

    And don't tell me kabam did nothing in this as I've playing this game since 1st month of its launch so I know what I'm talking about.

    Kabam almost certainly did nothing, and you probably don't know what you're talking about.

    I've been collecting arena crystal data since 2018, and individual crystal drops since February 2020. I have found no evidence that arena crystals drop anything other than their posted odds, and I have found no evidence that the odds of getting units changes unfavorably just prior to times like major sales or events.

    Just for giggles I decided to open some arena crystals today. Out of forty TB crystals (two million BC worth) I got 3000 units and 6,030,000 gold which is a bit lower units than average and somewhat more gold than average (it is about 600 units lower than average and about one million gold higher). For TB crystals this is wholly unnoteworthy.
    what are the rough odds again?

    battlechips divided by 500 = units?
    The arena crystals are designed to drop, on average, about 1900 units per one million battlechips, regardless of which type of crystal you open. The higher tier crystals cost more, and their unit drops scale upwards in exact proportion to the cost increase. For example, standard arena crystals drop 15 and 45 units. UC crystals drop 75 and 225 units. And TB crystals drop 375 and 1125 units. In each case, the crystal costs five times more (2k, 10k, 50k per crystal) and the drops are exactly five times higher.

    With a 15% chance to drop units divided 10% to the lower drop and 5% to the higher drop, the units per crystal for standard crystals averages 0.10 x 15 + 0.05 x 45 = 3.75 units per crystal, which is 1000000/2000 x 3.75 = 1875 units per crystal.

    I think in recent posts I might have quoted the average as 1800 units instead of 1900, which is just me misremembering the calculation. For reference, my actual measured unit drop rate for UC crystals was 1926 per million (I stopped opening them in 2021 when the TB crystal arrived, so my accumulated data encompasses 2200 crystals), and it currently stands at 1985 per million for TB crystals (680 crystals at last count).
  • ahmynutsahmynuts Member Posts: 7,520 ★★★★★

    OP came back and disagree spammed all the comments lol

    You guys do it too. Why so miffed about OP doing it?

    Also we know no amount of “evidence” could appease you. I would have thought that after you got the last big “wrongful ban my butt” issue so wrong, you’d have learned some civility.

    Is the OP right? I don’t know. Do I trust that Kabam’s drop rates haven’t unintentionally changed. As much as I trust Nick Fury not to be bugged each update.
    "Oh, it's HungaryHippo again..." -that one fish from spongebob
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 21,982 ★★★★★

    OP came back and disagree spammed all the comments lol

    You guys do it too. Why so miffed about OP doing it?

    Also we know no amount of “evidence” could appease you. I would have thought that after you got the last big “wrongful ban my butt” issue so wrong, you’d have learned some civility.

    Is the OP right? I don’t know. Do I trust that Kabam’s drop rates haven’t unintentionally changed. As much as I trust Nick Fury not to be bugged each update.
    I don't press any of the reactions buttons. I respond to comments instead. I've already explained to you in the past that I didn't say they were rightfully banned and you can't find in that thread where I did. I asked questions.

    OP isn't correct. They haven't been nerfed because if they were, all those people he claimed he saw, plus their alliance mates, plus all the other arena grinders would be here saying the same thing.

    It's fine to be a conspiracy theorist. Have fun with it. You can't do it here. Those of us who are familiar with how things work have every right to ask for proof or even call into doubt when people say ridiculous things like OP.

    Glad to see I live rent free in your head though.
  • TheObiJuanTheObiJuan Member Posts: 45
    I’ve pulled over 1,000 units grinding for 6* Dani between the two arenas.
  • PT_99PT_99 Member Posts: 4,444 ★★★★★
    Love to see thess posts before every big event.
  • SirGamesBondSirGamesBond Member Posts: 5,087 ★★★★★
    edited December 2023
    Even if it is rigged, it's a damn 15% chance.
    It's not much. Getting lucky earlier doesn't mean youll pull units every single time.
    Coming from a grinder who openes million BC every month. And my opening have been abysmal since big bang happened.
  • startropicsstartropics Member Posts: 865 ★★★★
    DNA3000 said:

    DNA3000 said:

    LIS1 said:

    And don't tell me kabam did nothing in this as I've playing this game since 1st month of its launch so I know what I'm talking about.

    Kabam almost certainly did nothing, and you probably don't know what you're talking about.

    I've been collecting arena crystal data since 2018, and individual crystal drops since February 2020. I have found no evidence that arena crystals drop anything other than their posted odds, and I have found no evidence that the odds of getting units changes unfavorably just prior to times like major sales or events.

    Just for giggles I decided to open some arena crystals today. Out of forty TB crystals (two million BC worth) I got 3000 units and 6,030,000 gold which is a bit lower units than average and somewhat more gold than average (it is about 600 units lower than average and about one million gold higher). For TB crystals this is wholly unnoteworthy.
    what are the rough odds again?

    battlechips divided by 500 = units?
    The arena crystals are designed to drop, on average, about 1900 units per one million battlechips, regardless of which type of crystal you open. The higher tier crystals cost more, and their unit drops scale upwards in exact proportion to the cost increase. For example, standard arena crystals drop 15 and 45 units. UC crystals drop 75 and 225 units. And TB crystals drop 375 and 1125 units. In each case, the crystal costs five times more (2k, 10k, 50k per crystal) and the drops are exactly five times higher.

    With a 15% chance to drop units divided 10% to the lower drop and 5% to the higher drop, the units per crystal for standard crystals averages 0.10 x 15 + 0.05 x 45 = 3.75 units per crystal, which is 1000000/2000 x 3.75 = 1875 units per crystal.

    I think in recent posts I might have quoted the average as 1800 units instead of 1900, which is just me misremembering the calculation. For reference, my actual measured unit drop rate for UC crystals was 1926 per million (I stopped opening them in 2021 when the TB crystal arrived, so my accumulated data encompasses 2200 crystals), and it currently stands at 1985 per million for TB crystals (680 crystals at last count).
    thank you
  • LIS1LIS1 Member Posts: 18
    Why sometimes u think when u buy and open any crystal (Example -: Paragon Crystal) which contains up to 7* champs and 90% of times it stops rolling just 1 before the highest rarity Champ and drop on to the lowest or mid rarity? Why when u go to Casino and roll the lotto machine and 1st 2 rollers roll on same character but last one rolls to random one and u don't win the lotto?
    U think that is not in control of that company ? If so, then i guess u guys r not familiar with this system and u guys need some knowledge.

    As a lotto machine developer, not just in game but in Casinos or in any place or game on this earth, they specifically make that machine to make this happen that people when everytime role it, they r most of the time just 1 off from the most desirable thing that machine provides and one think that, I was so close and if I spend more and buy next crystal or play next round, I will get it 100% and that's how company takes money from our Lust by making us foolish and say it's not in their hand and name it as *RNG*. The company can change that RNG at anytime and can Write 10% to fool the law or to us and provide just 0.1% chance as, there is no real way to see because its not on bases of Crystals opened by 1 account, but instead percentage is on the bases of Crystals opened by all accounts together.
    So Kabam can change that *RNG* at anytime they want even if it says 1% and let's say it's true, then that means, 1 playe if opened 99 Crystals and got nothing where as other player can win Jackpot by just opening 2 crystals as he opened 100th and 101th crystal and drop rates were on 100th Crystal.
    That's the truth.

    Kabam can tells the person who made this crystal system to make a roll win chance in 1% out of 100 or 5% of 100. And when I say 1% out of 100 then those 100 crystal r in collective from all accounts and not just from 1 persons account. And that 1% is also set by kabam either to give out at start of that 100 or at end or at mid of that 100. So don't come here and saying that I opened 1 TBC and I got 8K or whatever units, when in this game there r 99 players before u who get racked by this RNG because no one will know who is opening that 100th crystal *Which Kabam Has full control on* and not everyone comes to form and talk about it as they think *RNG* is just a chance By God, in which company has no control of but when in reality, Company has 100% control on what and how much Units or what champ rearity they give out when 1st or 100th crystal is opened.

    The %age is based on amount of crystals opened by all players in MCOC and not by 1 player as these Odds r on bases of Crystals opened in total and not by an individual.

    This is how RNG works and its Fully in hands of Kabam to increase or decrease RNG.

    So stop thinking RNG is just in *Gods Hand* or is some invisible Power and no one has control over it, when Inreality Kabam has full control on it and can change whenever they want and legally no one can stand against it as no one will know how many crystals r opend by other accounts before theirs to not get Enough units or that Champ. Hence can't fight legal battle with a company on this too just becaue of lack of data provided to us and hence, I know that right now Kabam Again changed the RNG without telling us or without changing percentage on Screen of the crystal to keep us fool and let us think that drop rate is still same but we r getting unlucky.

    @Kabam Miike , I don't blame these players for coming at me because of lack of their knowledge about how these machines work and they think RNG is not in control of anyone but You know what I m talking about , so m asking u to pls stop fooling us For God Sake.
  • Rudolph_RaindeerRudolph_Raindeer Member Posts: 318 ★★★
    I open 100 x 2k BC two times a week. I have not noticed any change 🤷🏼‍♂️ Actually I think my drops have been a little above average for me.
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