So how exactly are you supposed to counter bullseye?

JT_Supreme

Dude needs to be nerfed he’s unforgivable on defence if you’re not bleed immune. I was taking 50% of my health for bleed damage on his sp1, it’s too ridiculous.

Herbal_Taxman

JBtheboss649 said:

But what about mercanery champs? With kitty you ain’t getting that objective down.

Abs Man. Parry, heavy. Bait sp1, block knives, wait out killer instinct, repeat. It’s kind of hard to keep your form up in the SQ because of the power drain on his special. But it’s manageable.

Herbal_Taxman

Pikolu said:

Greed_Exodus said:

Why is bullseye so OP and daredevil still sucks grandpa farts even after a buff… so so annoying

Don't let @Cat_Murdock see this comment

To be fair, Bullseye killed DD in the comics a few years back.

BringPopcorn

Herbal_Taxman said:

Pikolu said:

Greed_Exodus said:

Why is bullseye so OP and daredevil still sucks grandpa farts even after a buff… so so annoying

Don't let @Cat_Murdock see this comment

To be fair, Bullseye killed DD in the comics a few years back.

Must have been before the revive farm nerf.

smdam38

I had to use revives on threat level 4.

I guess this is a good place to learn him.
It’s annoying that as soon as he hits one bar of power, the killer instinct kicks in before he even throws it.

DrDisconnect.

XFREEDOMX said:

MaskedLegend said:

By using s99🗿

1 hit KO? lol

Its a dual i think probably against a 3*

call_me_og

Pikolu said:

Buttehrs said:

JBtheboss649 said:

But what about mercanery champs? With kitty you ain’t getting that objective down.

Hit monkey is probably your best bet with his disorient

Killer instinct is AAR immune

hit monkey has an evade counter while he has monkeys vigilance

Achilles100

AA

Doug4theWin

Colossus, Storm, Misty Knight, Mole Man were all useful vs. Bullseye in SQ.

MikeHancho31

I've been using Prof X and Domino. Been doing just fine.

gforcefan

In the side quest, he is manageable. But in BGs he will be near impossible and will have to insta-block. Some war nodes are near impossible.

Sceptilemaniac2

Olivier420roll said:

XFREEDOMX said:

MaskedLegend said:

By using s99🗿

1 hit KO? lol

Its a dual i think probably against a 3*

No, spidey only needs to hit his block. Look at the time.

J0eySn0w

It’s like Kabam is going back to those days they’d design defensive champs that had like literally just 1 or 2 counters, at times no real counters. And later they will design a new champ just to counter the defensive champ. Granted individual mechanics of Bullseye are already associated with the game, namely: evade & counter, guarantees crits & through block, instant bleed, etc. But all of them put together seems like a new difficult mechanic. He’s a difficult champ to go up against generally speaking.
I’ve been laid back and wasn’t planning on commenting or making a post, but there are so many things happening in the game I just have to voice out some concerns and suggestions. The defensive champs they’re designing lately is slightly overboard imho, if they keep at this pace, it will become terrible.

Zeke_the_Xbot

Domino

captain_rogers

J0eySn0w said:

It’s like Kabam is going back to those days they’d design defensive champs that had like literally just 1 or 2 counters, at times no real counters. And later they will design a new champ just to counter the defensive champ. Granted individual mechanics of Bullseye are already associated with the game, namely: evade & counter, guarantees crits & through block, instant bleed, etc. But all of them put together seems like a new difficult mechanic. He’s a difficult champ to go up against generally speaking.
I’ve been laid back and wasn’t planning on commenting or making a post, but there are so many things happening in the game I just have to voice out some concerns and suggestions. The defensive champs they’re designing lately is slightly overboard imho, if they keep at this pace, it will become terrible.

reminds me of havok, warlock nd thing
Havok was a bigger nightmare than photon when he was released

Drago_von_Drago

For the mercenary objectives for the paragauntlet and lower level side quests, Hit Monkey was my best option. I still don’t have domino above a 4*.

For the Threat Level 5 objective you could also use an all-mutant team. Horseman Wolverine soloed him both paths for me there.

I am not looking forward to facing him in BG. Fortunately I don’t play that mode much.

Buttehrs

captain_rogers said:

J0eySn0w said:

It’s like Kabam is going back to those days they’d design defensive champs that had like literally just 1 or 2 counters, at times no real counters. And later they will design a new champ just to counter the defensive champ. Granted individual mechanics of Bullseye are already associated with the game, namely: evade & counter, guarantees crits & through block, instant bleed, etc. But all of them put together seems like a new difficult mechanic. He’s a difficult champ to go up against generally speaking.
I’ve been laid back and wasn’t planning on commenting or making a post, but there are so many things happening in the game I just have to voice out some concerns and suggestions. The defensive champs they’re designing lately is slightly overboard imho, if they keep at this pace, it will become terrible.

reminds me of havok, warlock nd thing
Havok was a bigger nightmare than photon when he was released

Reminds me of when modok came out. And that abominable ice Phoenix that came with him

Hector_1475

Usagicassidy

PantherusNZ said:

Regarding the mercenary champs requirement - little reminder that you can smash them down to 1% with ANYONE, and then lose the fight and let a Merc finish them off

For threat level 5 though you can't do that. You need an entire team of Mercs.

Shamir51

Usagicassidy said:

PantherusNZ said:

Regarding the mercenary champs requirement - little reminder that you can smash them down to 1% with ANYONE, and then lose the fight and let a Merc finish them off

For threat level 5 though you can't do that. You need an entire team of Mercs.

Or an entire team of mutants.

Bugmat78

JBtheboss649 said:

But what about mercanery champs? With kitty you ain’t getting that objective down.

Domino (preferably with Masacre) - keep parrying so she purifies his bleeds and gets power then sp1, bait his sp1 and wait out killer instinct. Rinse, repeat.

PantherusNZ

Usagicassidy said:

PantherusNZ said:

Regarding the mercenary champs requirement - little reminder that you can smash them down to 1% with ANYONE, and then lose the fight and let a Merc finish them off

For threat level 5 though you can't do that. You need an entire team of Mercs.

Yes, I should've specified that I was meaning for Threat Levels 3 and 4.

Pikolu

Buttehrs said:

captain_rogers said:

J0eySn0w said:

It’s like Kabam is going back to those days they’d design defensive champs that had like literally just 1 or 2 counters, at times no real counters. And later they will design a new champ just to counter the defensive champ. Granted individual mechanics of Bullseye are already associated with the game, namely: evade & counter, guarantees crits & through block, instant bleed, etc. But all of them put together seems like a new difficult mechanic. He’s a difficult champ to go up against generally speaking.
I’ve been laid back and wasn’t planning on commenting or making a post, but there are so many things happening in the game I just have to voice out some concerns and suggestions. The defensive champs they’re designing lately is slightly overboard imho, if they keep at this pace, it will become terrible.

reminds me of havok, warlock nd thing
Havok was a bigger nightmare than photon when he was released

Reminds me of when modok came out. And that abominable ice Phoenix that came with him

I remember using a r4 4* agent venom for that ice Phoenix and just praying on the 70% tenacity chance.

Darklord60

I used Emma Frost,,,bullseye evade didn't function Emma bypasses this mechanic

Darklord60

Mercenary I used Domino she's got luck on her side 🤣

J0eySn0w

captain_rogers said:

J0eySn0w said:

It’s like Kabam is going back to those days they’d design defensive champs that had like literally just 1 or 2 counters, at times no real counters. And later they will design a new champ just to counter the defensive champ. Granted individual mechanics of Bullseye are already associated with the game, namely: evade & counter, guarantees crits & through block, instant bleed, etc. But all of them put together seems like a new difficult mechanic. He’s a difficult champ to go up against generally speaking.
I’ve been laid back and wasn’t planning on commenting or making a post, but there are so many things happening in the game I just have to voice out some concerns and suggestions. The defensive champs they’re designing lately is slightly overboard imho, if they keep at this pace, it will become terrible.

reminds me of havok, warlock nd thing
Havok was a bigger nightmare than photon when he was released

I want to agree with you but I don’t really remember properly what Havok felt like back then. But I honestly think Photon and Bullseye, subject of discussion is worst. Let me explain.
With Havok, all he needed was and is an armor up champ or power drain champ. The former being the safest imo. True there weren’t that many good champs with these utilities, but you needed just one of the two. Nowadays, we can “at times” manage to fight him without any of these utilities. Not to forget, non-contact mediums wasn’t popular and reparry as well. But those weren’t a problem.

With Bullseye, to be safe and this is critical because we have a game mode like battlegrounds, you need to counter all aspects of his defensive mechanics if not you’re going to lose the round period. Dex, block and take bleed damage. Remember, dex and block (not well-timed) are basic necessities regards controls. Also, attack him while he has his killer instinct and you take a lot damage if it doesn’t kill you. To be safe you need to counter more than one aspect of his mechanics.
But what makes him even worst than Havok was and will ever be is the fact that he has been realized at a time when we have over 250+ champs. And yet we don’t a reasonable pool of champs that can safely deal with him.

With that said, whoever is designing champs that punish you for using basic controls need to reevaluate what he’s doing. Basic controls are what all champs by default are able to do. Dex, block, dash forward and back, imo are to be left alone. Messing with it adds unnecessary complexities and difficulties to the game.

psp742

I saw Gorr or Onslaught beat Bullseye.

Magrailothos

J0eySn0w said:

captain_rogers said:

J0eySn0w said:

It’s like Kabam is going back to those days they’d design defensive champs that had like literally just 1 or 2 counters, at times no real counters. And later they will design a new champ just to counter the defensive champ. Granted individual mechanics of Bullseye are already associated with the game, namely: evade & counter, guarantees crits & through block, instant bleed, etc. But all of them put together seems like a new difficult mechanic. He’s a difficult champ to go up against generally speaking.
I’ve been laid back and wasn’t planning on commenting or making a post, but there are so many things happening in the game I just have to voice out some concerns and suggestions. The defensive champs they’re designing lately is slightly overboard imho, if they keep at this pace, it will become terrible.

reminds me of havok, warlock nd thing
Havok was a bigger nightmare than photon when he was released

I want to agree with you but I don’t really remember properly what Havok felt like back then. But I honestly think Photon and Bullseye, subject of discussion is worst. Let me explain.
With Havok, all he needed was and is an armor up champ or power drain champ. The former being the safest imo. True there weren’t that many good champs with these utilities, but you needed just one of the two. Nowadays, we can “at times” manage to fight him without any of these utilities. Not to forget, non-contact mediums wasn’t popular and reparry as well. But those weren’t a problem.

With Bullseye, to be safe and this is critical because we have a game mode like battlegrounds, you need to counter all aspects of his defensive mechanics if not you’re going to lose the round period. Dex, block and take bleed damage. Remember, dex and block (not well-timed) are basic necessities regards controls. Also, attack him while he has his killer instinct and you take a lot damage if it doesn’t kill you. To be safe you need to counter more than one aspect of his mechanics.
But what makes him even worst than Havok was and will ever be is the fact that he has been realized at a time when we have over 250+ champs. And yet we don’t a reasonable pool of champs that can safely deal with him.

With that said, whoever is designing champs that punish you for using basic controls need to reevaluate what he’s doing. Basic controls are what all champs by default are able to do. Dex, block, dash forward and back, imo are to be left alone. Messing with it adds unnecessary complexities and difficulties to the game.

I don't like his bleed-on-dodge ability either. It seems incredibly unfair to say: with this champion, it doesn't matter if you block or dodge. You take the bleed damage, either way.

I'm aware that his description suggests that you can prevent the bleed damage with well-timed blocks. Supposedly. This isn't an option for many, with the well-documented input issues the game has had for years, now.

More than the almost-unavoidable bleed damage, I dislike Killer Instinct intently. I think it lacks balance, because there's no counter for the actual ability itself, other than specifically having the ability to counter Evade.

I'm old enough to remember forum members complaining about the 'Evade Bug', where Nightcrawler or Spiderman would Evade your attack and hit you without giving you them time to block.
But at least we could use Parry-stun against them, or switch NC's stances to remove it

Then the team gave us Wasp and her Counter-Attack, which we all hated, too.
But you can bait her Heavy attacks, and make it go on cooldown.

Now we have Bullseye.
But... There doesn't seem to be an 'off' switch for this one.

Once he's got a bar of Power, he's got Killer Instinct and there is literally nothing you can do to get rid of it. You can't wait it out, and there's no mechanism to unpause it (for example with a Special, or an Intercept, or Heavy-counter).

If you didn't bring an Evade counter, or they're basically unusable because of the nodes he's on, you've just got to make him use a Special, tank the block damage/bleed damage and then still fight your instinct to punish his Special Attack, and wait it out.

Sure, bleed-immunes take less damage. And there are a few Evade counters that at least can push him to an SP2 that will inflict slightly less block damage (although not Evade Counters that rely on Slow, or any AAR mechanism at all)

I hope that when they're looking at his rebalance, Kabam consider the possibility of at least some kind of Kill Switch, for Killer Instinct.

Glassback

Darklord60 said:

I used Emma Frost,,,bullseye evade didn't function Emma bypasses this mechanic

Yeah same, she did really well and didn’t take the bleed damage in diamond form. Just hard to balance your power to bypass the evade and then below his to get the diamond before he sp1s

Terminatrix

J0eySn0w said:

It’s like Kabam is going back to those days they’d design defensive champs that had like literally just 1 or 2 counters, at times no real counters. And later they will design a new champ just to counter the defensive champ. Granted individual mechanics of Bullseye are already associated with the game, namely: evade & counter, guarantees crits & through block, instant bleed, etc. But all of them put together seems like a new difficult mechanic. He’s a difficult champ to go up against generally speaking.
I’ve been laid back and wasn’t planning on commenting or making a post, but there are so many things happening in the game I just have to voice out some concerns and suggestions. The defensive champs they’re designing lately is slightly overboard imho, if they keep at this pace, it will become terrible.

I'd like to add the rate that they're being released too. We just got Chee'ilth, Photon, Onslaught, Bullseye, White Tiger, Maestro, and Deathless Gilly.......all in a short time.