Winter of Woe shouldn't have been released.

Kabam has made it clear for a while now that the AI is known to be an extreme issue with the game. It's been causing an incredibly large amount of issues all over the Battlerealm from the top to the bottom, and they've stated multiple times over the past few months that they're in the process of fixing it as it's a known problem.

Why, in that case, are they releasing high-level, time-sensitive, and ai-imperative content when they know that the basic functions of the game aren't working as intended? On top of that, why did they have to tie a deathless king groot piece into it, basically making it mandatory for people who want the final deathless champ?

It really wouldn't be too huge of an issue if we could ACTUALLY PRACTICE THE FIGHTS. Between EQ, side quest, exploring act 8, and doing the lunar event, I do not have the refills to be devoting 10 energy per attempt to actually get a chance to practice the fight. That being said, the times I have actually practiced the fight have taught me absolutely NOTHING because I can't get any amount of consistency from the AI. I've never been able to 'feel good' fighting this boss, because by the time I'm just about there, I'm out of energy and don't really want to continue the play session. Even if the ai was working properly, there's no reasonable explanation as to why ONE attempt at a boss in this event costs more than fighting the first FOUR fights in a Necropolis path.

There's so much wrong with this event and it baffles me that it was released to us now and in this state.

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Polygon

Champs that are AI reliant like Valkyrie completely fell off the map for me due to the recent AI behaviors.

AI is also one of the reasons the she hulk objective is the hardest one for me atm, even though its the easiest for most.

In my opinion if its going to take some time to fix the AI, then at the very least the energy cost needs to be reduced. The nodes are already stacked and the fight is already too overtuned for the AI just to be piling on top of all of that.

Hopefully we see some changes in energy for the next fight , doesnt have to be too drastic, just something that shows the community that Kabam is listening

Ashacekar

3 more seasons of pain are remaining, hold on

Darkraw346

I think it's stupid that the Deathless piece is in the final milestone for Paragons honestly

Chuck_Finley

It was inevitable with the revive nerf.

WoW will be a revivefest to average players. Practice with energy is prohibitive. New Carina’s challenges tomorrow. You want to keep up with the Uber skilled who don’t need resources?

Time to pay up - that’s why it was released exactly as is. Understand their objective and it makes complete sense.

ReignkingTW

It was inevitable with the revive nerf.

WoW will be a revivefest to average players. Practice with energy is prohibitive. New Carina’s challenges tomorrow. You want to keep up with the Uber skilled who don’t need resources?

Time to pay up - that’s why it was released exactly as is. Understand their objective and it makes complete sense.

I was fine with this for content like Abyss.

But for one fight? And keeping a deathless piece behind it? I'm done with both events. The juice sint worth the squeeze.

DrZola

AI (passivity, shallow frame drop counters) and mechanics issues (strikers, input drop) are much less of a problem when your champ can withstand a few hits or, alternatively, doesn’t die from not hitting an opponent (who has his own hard to manage regen).

In the current framework of the game for me, these types of persistent issues can be overcome by retrying content for more stable rendering, more reliable connection or better behaving AI. I need to learn the fight and I need the game to behave—just a little.

That’s where the energy cost bites me in the rear.

I think I’m currently sitting on three points (ugly Hulk smash fight with several revives) and that’s decent. I have a week to work out robots without burning more than a few resources.

I wouldn’t say the content shouldn’t have been released—clearly, it isn’t impossible. But with the restrictive pool of champs viable for a very narrow encounter that requires precise timing, it’s a lot in the current operating environment for me and my device. Adding other obstacles on top of that is where, I hope, the team has realized it went astray.

There’s always caterwauling with new hard content, but this is a little different. It’s timed, there are rewards that can’t be gotten otherwise (currently), and it’s part of a series of fights that runs through all of 2024. Recent game economy changes also have a direct and significant impact.

I hope WoW is being rethought in all of this context.

Dr. Zola

Josh2507

I can look past the tricky objectives, and the wonky AI. But only if I am able to practice this fight without significant restrictions.

*cough* energy * cough*

Hendross

I just wanted to echo this sentiment. I was lucky enough to get a perfect Absman for Sinister Six, nearly 100% intercept rate, never held a special, 2 revives after 4 or 5 attempts with 6r4 Sandman. I had no idea what people were complaining about.

However, for Gamma he was super passive e.g. holding special, walking towards you, dexing and blocking, all the normal stuff we've seen with wonky AI. 7r2 Hulk took 3 energy refills (20+ attempts over a couple days) to get a good start then 6 ugly revives including 1 quit out due to regen.

So before we jump to skill issues, remember not everyone is getting the same fight. Even having gotten my points, I can appreciate this fight is not OK.

SirGamesBond

I can look past the tricky objectives, and the wonky AI. But only if I am able to practice this fight without significant restrictions.

*cough* energy * cough*

My only issue.
Energy, makes this NOT FUN.

EdisonLaw

Unit Man for the win

Rayven5220

Unit Man for the win

That doesn't even necessarily work half the time. Sad but true.
That regen is ridiculous.

BringPopcorn

Unit Man for the win
That doesn't even necessarily work half the time. Sad but true.
That regen is ridiculous.

U don't know how to use unit man...

Shamir51

Finally went ahead and got into WoW on my lunch break. Took in my hulk and managed to get Abs Man down to circa. 55-60% health on first attempt. 3 revives later and he was dead. My Hulk is 7* rank 2 and I had 15% attack boost and 20% champion boost.

Due to a medical condition, I'd consider myself fairly average at the game at the best of times, but it certainly wasn't the steaming pile of... that I was expecting given a lot of the posts and comments over the last week or so. Maybe I got lucky with the AI but the Cat Murdock method worked a treat.

Rayven5220

Finally went ahead and got into WoW on my lunch break. Took in my hulk and managed to get Abs Man down to circa. 55-60% health on first attempt. 3 revives later and he was dead. My Hulk is 7* rank 2 and I had 15% attack boost and 20% champion boost.

Due to a medical condition, I'd consider myself fairly average at the game at the best of times, but it certainly wasn't the steaming pile of... that I was expecting given a lot of the posts and comments over the last week or so. Maybe I got lucky with the AI but the Cat Murdock method worked a treat.

Hulk is the easiest of the objective options.
I also did it with hulk.

Sandman and the robot objective are way harder, objectively.

Rayven5220

Unit Man for the win
That doesn't even necessarily work half the time. Sad but true.
That regen is ridiculous.
U don't know how to use unit man...

Given I went in with sandman and wasted 10 or so revives, and around 100 potions, I'm well aware of how to use unitman, I just didn't bother wasting units on a fight where you pretty much either one shot him, or you're screwed.

I've done the easy objective already. But I also have revives and didn't need to use said unit man.
At least not yet. 😆

ahmynuts

Finally went ahead and got into WoW on my lunch break. Took in my hulk and managed to get Abs Man down to circa. 55-60% health on first attempt. 3 revives later and he was dead. My Hulk is 7* rank 2 and I had 15% attack boost and 20% champion boost.

Due to a medical condition, I'd consider myself fairly average at the game at the best of times, but it certainly wasn't the steaming pile of... that I was expecting given a lot of the posts and comments over the last week or so. Maybe I got lucky with the AI but the Cat Murdock method worked a treat.

Hulk is by far the easiest. It can be one shot without a problem really. Try the robot objective and get back to everyone

Shamir51

Finally went ahead and got into WoW on my lunch break. Took in my hulk and managed to get Abs Man down to circa. 55-60% health on first attempt. 3 revives later and he was dead. My Hulk is 7* rank 2 and I had 15% attack boost and 20% champion boost.

Due to a medical condition, I'd consider myself fairly average at the game at the best of times, but it certainly wasn't the steaming pile of... that I was expecting given a lot of the posts and comments over the last week or so. Maybe I got lucky with the AI but the Cat Murdock method worked a treat.
Hulk is the easiest of the objective options.
I also did it with hulk.

Sandman and the robot objective are way harder, objectively.

For me, Hulk is the easiest. However, I have had other people tell me Sandman is an easy solo. I'm not going to rank up a 6* Sandman for the point though so I'll settle with what I have. Might still push for the robot objective this weekend.

Shamir51

Finally went ahead and got into WoW on my lunch break. Took in my hulk and managed to get Abs Man down to circa. 55-60% health on first attempt. 3 revives later and he was dead. My Hulk is 7* rank 2 and I had 15% attack boost and 20% champion boost.

Due to a medical condition, I'd consider myself fairly average at the game at the best of times, but it certainly wasn't the steaming pile of... that I was expecting given a lot of the posts and comments over the last week or so. Maybe I got lucky with the AI but the Cat Murdock method worked a treat.
Hulk is the easiest of the objective options.
I also did it with hulk.

Sandman and the robot objective are way harder, objectively.

IKON

I actually like the energy change (though I think its over tuned) because there should be a cost to trying a fight over and over and over again until you can get it perfect. 4 - 6 energy would be what I would target.

I don't think most of the changes would be so poorly received if we didn't have a fight that borderline requires solo'ing or quitting. I had Abs man down to 12% and he got back up to 30% before I beat him. Regen shouldn't be that punishing.

Rayven5220

Finally went ahead and got into WoW on my lunch break. Took in my hulk and managed to get Abs Man down to circa. 55-60% health on first attempt. 3 revives later and he was dead. My Hulk is 7* rank 2 and I had 15% attack boost and 20% champion boost.

Due to a medical condition, I'd consider myself fairly average at the game at the best of times, but it certainly wasn't the steaming pile of... that I was expecting given a lot of the posts and comments over the last week or so. Maybe I got lucky with the AI but the Cat Murdock method worked a treat.
Hulk is the easiest of the objective options.
I also did it with hulk.

Sandman and the robot objective are way harder, objectively.

For me, Hulk is the easiest. However, I have had other people tell me Sandman is an easy solo. I'm not going to rank up a 6* Sandman for the point though so I'll settle with what I have. Might still push for the robot objective this weekend.

Sandman is by no means an easy solo.

Mess up one time and you're done and have to restart.
Check out youtube, even a r5 takes 8+ minutes to get the solo.

I think Lags took about 10 minutes with a r4

Shamir51

Finally went ahead and got into WoW on my lunch break. Took in my hulk and managed to get Abs Man down to circa. 55-60% health on first attempt. 3 revives later and he was dead. My Hulk is 7* rank 2 and I had 15% attack boost and 20% champion boost.

Due to a medical condition, I'd consider myself fairly average at the game at the best of times, but it certainly wasn't the steaming pile of... that I was expecting given a lot of the posts and comments over the last week or so. Maybe I got lucky with the AI but the Cat Murdock method worked a treat.
Hulk is the easiest of the objective options.
I also did it with hulk.

Sandman and the robot objective are way harder, objectively.

For me, Hulk is the easiest. However, I have had other people tell me Sandman is an easy solo. I'm not going to rank up a 6* Sandman for the point though so I'll settle with what I have. Might still push for the robot objective this weekend.
Sandman is by no means an easy solo.

Mess up one time and you're done and have to restart.
Check out youtube, even a r5 takes 8+ minutes to get the solo.

I think Lags took about 10 minutes with a r4

To clarify, I didn't say Sandman was an easy solo. Friends of mine that have done it said it was an easy solo. I have no doubts that it's an incredibly long fight which is another reason why I wont even attempt it.

At this point, I'm wondering why you keep taking this conversation forwards?

Cure2024

What are other good options if we don't have sandman? I see everyone mentioning only Sandman for valiant objective.

Shamir51

What are other good options if we don't have sandman? I see everyone mentioning only Sandman for valiant objective.

~~Hulk is a very good, low cost option.~~

Rayven5220

Finally went ahead and got into WoW on my lunch break. Took in my hulk and managed to get Abs Man down to circa. 55-60% health on first attempt. 3 revives later and he was dead. My Hulk is 7* rank 2 and I had 15% attack boost and 20% champion boost.

Due to a medical condition, I'd consider myself fairly average at the game at the best of times, but it certainly wasn't the steaming pile of... that I was expecting given a lot of the posts and comments over the last week or so. Maybe I got lucky with the AI but the Cat Murdock method worked a treat.
Hulk is the easiest of the objective options.
I also did it with hulk.

Sandman and the robot objective are way harder, objectively.

For me, Hulk is the easiest. However, I have had other people tell me Sandman is an easy solo. I'm not going to rank up a 6* Sandman for the point though so I'll settle with what I have. Might still push for the robot objective this weekend.
Sandman is by no means an easy solo.

Mess up one time and you're done and have to restart.
Check out youtube, even a r5 takes 8+ minutes to get the solo.

I think Lags took about 10 minutes with a r4

To clarify, I didn't say Sandman was an easy solo. Friends of mine that have done it said it was an easy solo. I have no doubts that it's an incredibly long fight which is another reason why I wont even attempt it.

At this point, I'm wondering why you keep taking this conversation forwards?

Probably because I have an opinion on whoever said sandman was an easy solo, and clearly I said it wasn't, at least for me it sure wasn't?

Generally an opinion requires a reply, no?

Or should I have just kept said opinion to myself for everybody else reading this thread, in case they have a different opinion as well? Lol

ReignkingTW

What are other good options if we don't have sandman? I see everyone mentioning only Sandman for valiant objective.
Hulk is a very good, low cost option.

Cmon

TheExit27

AI was too uncooperative with Sandman for me. Took out Abs with Warlock... less than 10 revives (includes some BS fights where I'd parry, it would say "parry", yet I was getting hit anyway for some reason... also the "dexed but still getting hit" frame "bug").

Cure2024

What are other good options if we don't have sandman? I see everyone mentioning only Sandman for valiant objective.
Hulk is a very good, low cost option.

Hulk is for Gamma only. I asked for Valiant objective (Sinister six)

Rayven5220

AI was too uncooperative with Sandman for me. Took out Abs with Warlock... less than 10 revives (includes some BS fights where I'd parry, it would say "parry", yet I was getting hit anyway for some reason... also the "dexed but still getting hit" frame "bug").

6* or 7* warlock?

I have a 6r3 warlock, but in doubt of whether I'll be able to get it done with him.

Shamir51

What are other good options if we don't have sandman? I see everyone mentioning only Sandman for valiant objective.
Hulk is a very good, low cost option.
Hulk is for Gamma only. I asked for Valiant objective (Sinister six)

Ahh, yes I see it now. My bad, like nodes, it appears I also don't read all of people's posts!!!

Shamir51

Finally went ahead and got into WoW on my lunch break. Took in my hulk and managed to get Abs Man down to circa. 55-60% health on first attempt. 3 revives later and he was dead. My Hulk is 7* rank 2 and I had 15% attack boost and 20% champion boost.

Due to a medical condition, I'd consider myself fairly average at the game at the best of times, but it certainly wasn't the steaming pile of... that I was expecting given a lot of the posts and comments over the last week or so. Maybe I got lucky with the AI but the Cat Murdock method worked a treat.
Hulk is by far the easiest. It can be one shot without a problem really. Try the robot objective and get back to everyone

So after 5 attempts, the best I've managed is 28% health off Abs Man. I'm hoping I can improve this by the weekend.

And yes, Hulk was by far easier even if it felt cheap using that tactic.