My parents once told me "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all", but I never listened so here I am.
Are you out of your mind? Some of the responses you've made in here defending why you put champs above other champs are just outright wrong. @Samanun
SS a top 4 mystic in the overall game? Nick not a good attacker? Corvus being god tier? The list goes on ...
The fact that he actually put Sorcerer Supreme above Bishop and Silk is just... I don't even know what to say I'm speechless.
You got to understand this isn't bg’s tierlist though Sorcerer is a way more solid champ that both of them having both utility dmg and consistency which bishop and silk lack that’s why they get knocked down a tier
Sorcerer Supreme does not have more damage or consistency lol. 7* Silk can deal over 600k damage in a single sp3 rotation, and 7* Bishop's sp2 usually takes over 200k between actual hits and the incinerate at the end of the special. If you genuinely believe Sorcerer Supreme has more damage and is more consistent than them I don't know what to tell you other than you need to play the game more cause it doesn't sound like you know that much.
I didn't say she had more damage you can go back and read i never said that im saying her kit is more well rounded and not just a million points in 1 attribute her overall kit is much better
And yes she is more consistent than both of them and it’s not even close silk relies on a.i rng and bishop relies on crit rng while also having a terrible crit rate
Silk relies on AI? What for? You get to sp3 and they're dead where's the AI reliance there? As for Bishop, he doesn't need higher crit rate cause a single crit can deal about 100k in damage without the incinerate. If he had higher crit rate he would be way too strong to be a 7* this early. Again, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
I mean yeah i guess if you’re going for the sp3 rotation then yeah no a.i reliance there but then you’re just kind of getting rid of all her value in doing so her main thing is being able to finish fights quickly if she cant even do that and has no utility then might as well use titania
1 hit of bishop’s sp2 doing 100k? What’s the context for this a 7* rank 3 with recoil most likely i’ve seen a r3 with class advantage do much less. And again you’re not listening to everything im saying reliance on crit rng lack of utility and he’s not that good of a defender that’s why he is where he is.
You don't need AI reliance for sp2 either dude what are you talking about? What AI reliance do you need for sp2? 🤣
Three L takes in a single paragraph so I'm gonna have to number these: 1. Yeah recoils class advantage r3 7*, if you used SS in a similar scenario at the same rank she would never even get close to dealing that much in a single hit. 2. Lack of utility? One of the best purify counters, massive energy resistance so he can take hazard shift shock or incinerate lanes in AW or story content with zero issues and he can also purify bleeds by holding block. He has utility, not a ton but it's there. 3. Not that good of a defender? My guy, you literally have Sorcerer Supreme in God tier, she's a worse defender than Sunspot... What is going on is this argument real or am I arguing with an NPC? 💀 Anyways back to his actual defensive abilities: steady release after sp1 (you literally can't hit him for 10 secs if you aren't incinerate immune), sp2 (massive block penetration and requires perfect timing to fully dex, if you get clipped by the last bit you get incinerated and lose a **** ton of health).
Idk tho my r1 unawakened SS did a 51k crit sp2 no class advantage no recoils with the potential to go much higher, saying she wont reach anywhere near bishop if she was r3 with recoils is just wrong
Yes a lack of utility you can name as many different abilities as you want it’s not about quantity it’s about quality not that he has either
I wasn't basing her off her defensive ability Where did you get that impression? I literally have chi in beyond god tier because he’s a god on attack
Also i said bishop isn’t a good defender To Me and that’s one of the reasons i put him where i put him on my personal list
once you learn to dex his sp2 he has nothing else you don't need perfect timing it’s not hard To avoid his sp1 just block or do a 4 hit combo and dash back early or just use your own special attack to push him to an sp2
First special no ramp up? Doubt it.
He counters purify completely and he can deal with dot debuffs, he has decent enough utility. What does SS have? Armor break slow and nullify? Top tier utility right there lmao
I didn't, you said Bishop isn't that good on defense, I said SS is virtually useless on defense which she is, straight up.
You do need perfect timing, the beam has three hits if you time it wrong even for a split second you will end up getting clipped. At this point, not only do I think you've never played with these champs, you haven't even played against them lol you probably watch videos on YouTube and that's it.
Nope not the first special but it doesn't matter cause she gains power so fast you can throw an sp1 then immediately throw an sp1
Armor break slow nullify power control and sustainability a-lot better than what bishop has which is nothing. I said bishop isn't a good defender because people think of him as a defender or even a dual threat.
Perfect timing would be a frame perfect which it is no where close to being you have quite a bit of leeway when dexing it if you’re not panicking his sp2 has pretty obvious visual q’s so if you need to just look at his hand if you need to Even his sp1 is looks harder than it is
Also you dont need to slip in insults at the end of everything you type
Bishop has nothing??
He can shrug off bleeds, has high enough energy resistance to reduce and then heal from energy DOT like incinerate, shock and coldsnap (he's effectively got quadruple immunities!) not to mention he deals damage back for energy damage done to him which is really nice. He has regeneration buffs and prowess effects which both come in handy not to mention the fact that he punishes champs for shrugging off debuffs and deals energy damage to them, as well as passively stuns them for increased duration. He also deals nice incinerate damage via the SP1 and SP2 and has unblockable special attacks when duped which is also nice.
Bishop is stuffed to the max with utility.
No no, slow and armor break are top utility my guy, definitely better quality than quadruple immunity and everything else you just named lmao I don't think I've ever laughed this hard ngl.
Can we also just appreciate how much OP seems to value armour break, then goes and puts Thor in the worst tier with groot as @SaltE_Wenis69 said
Slow, power control, sustainability
And yes thor goes in the worst tier he has no utility dmg isnt everything
brodie does not know how to work around unstoppable, bait specials, or stay alive😠This seems like a big skill issue to me
No! You need slow for unstoppable. And don't you know baiting specials requires AI cooperation? Therefore you need power control, massive utility.
Wooooow and then down playing power control desperately trying to make up anything because you can’t accept the facts as if doom isn’t widely considered top 10 in the game because of power control
My parents once told me "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all", but I never listened so here I am.
Are you out of your mind? Some of the responses you've made in here defending why you put champs above other champs are just outright wrong. @Samanun
SS a top 4 mystic in the overall game? Nick not a good attacker? Corvus being god tier? The list goes on ...
The fact that he actually put Sorcerer Supreme above Bishop and Silk is just... I don't even know what to say I'm speechless.
You got to understand this isn't bg’s tierlist though Sorcerer is a way more solid champ that both of them having both utility dmg and consistency which bishop and silk lack that’s why they get knocked down a tier
Sorcerer Supreme does not have more damage or consistency lol. 7* Silk can deal over 600k damage in a single sp3 rotation, and 7* Bishop's sp2 usually takes over 200k between actual hits and the incinerate at the end of the special. If you genuinely believe Sorcerer Supreme has more damage and is more consistent than them I don't know what to tell you other than you need to play the game more cause it doesn't sound like you know that much.
I didn't say she had more damage you can go back and read i never said that im saying her kit is more well rounded and not just a million points in 1 attribute her overall kit is much better
And yes she is more consistent than both of them and it’s not even close silk relies on a.i rng and bishop relies on crit rng while also having a terrible crit rate
Silk relies on AI? What for? You get to sp3 and they're dead where's the AI reliance there? As for Bishop, he doesn't need higher crit rate cause a single crit can deal about 100k in damage without the incinerate. If he had higher crit rate he would be way too strong to be a 7* this early. Again, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
I mean yeah i guess if you’re going for the sp3 rotation then yeah no a.i reliance there but then you’re just kind of getting rid of all her value in doing so her main thing is being able to finish fights quickly if she cant even do that and has no utility then might as well use titania
1 hit of bishop’s sp2 doing 100k? What’s the context for this a 7* rank 3 with recoil most likely i’ve seen a r3 with class advantage do much less. And again you’re not listening to everything im saying reliance on crit rng lack of utility and he’s not that good of a defender that’s why he is where he is.
You don't need AI reliance for sp2 either dude what are you talking about? What AI reliance do you need for sp2? 🤣
Three L takes in a single paragraph so I'm gonna have to number these: 1. Yeah recoils class advantage r3 7*, if you used SS in a similar scenario at the same rank she would never even get close to dealing that much in a single hit. 2. Lack of utility? One of the best purify counters, massive energy resistance so he can take hazard shift shock or incinerate lanes in AW or story content with zero issues and he can also purify bleeds by holding block. He has utility, not a ton but it's there. 3. Not that good of a defender? My guy, you literally have Sorcerer Supreme in God tier, she's a worse defender than Sunspot... What is going on is this argument real or am I arguing with an NPC? 💀 Anyways back to his actual defensive abilities: steady release after sp1 (you literally can't hit him for 10 secs if you aren't incinerate immune), sp2 (massive block penetration and requires perfect timing to fully dex, if you get clipped by the last bit you get incinerated and lose a **** ton of health).
Idk tho my r1 unawakened SS did a 51k crit sp2 no class advantage no recoils with the potential to go much higher, saying she wont reach anywhere near bishop if she was r3 with recoils is just wrong
Yes a lack of utility you can name as many different abilities as you want it’s not about quantity it’s about quality not that he has either
I wasn't basing her off her defensive ability Where did you get that impression? I literally have chi in beyond god tier because he’s a god on attack
Also i said bishop isn’t a good defender To Me and that’s one of the reasons i put him where i put him on my personal list
once you learn to dex his sp2 he has nothing else you don't need perfect timing it’s not hard To avoid his sp1 just block or do a 4 hit combo and dash back early or just use your own special attack to push him to an sp2
First special no ramp up? Doubt it.
He counters purify completely and he can deal with dot debuffs, he has decent enough utility. What does SS have? Armor break slow and nullify? Top tier utility right there lmao
I didn't, you said Bishop isn't that good on defense, I said SS is virtually useless on defense which she is, straight up.
You do need perfect timing, the beam has three hits if you time it wrong even for a split second you will end up getting clipped. At this point, not only do I think you've never played with these champs, you haven't even played against them lol you probably watch videos on YouTube and that's it.
Nope not the first special but it doesn't matter cause she gains power so fast you can throw an sp1 then immediately throw an sp1
Armor break slow nullify power control and sustainability a-lot better than what bishop has which is nothing. I said bishop isn't a good defender because people think of him as a defender or even a dual threat.
Perfect timing would be a frame perfect which it is no where close to being you have quite a bit of leeway when dexing it if you’re not panicking his sp2 has pretty obvious visual q’s so if you need to just look at his hand if you need to Even his sp1 is looks harder than it is
Also you dont need to slip in insults at the end of everything you type
Bishop has nothing??
He can shrug off bleeds, has high enough energy resistance to reduce and then heal from energy DOT like incinerate, shock and coldsnap (he's effectively got quadruple immunities!) not to mention he deals damage back for energy damage done to him which is really nice. He has regeneration buffs and prowess effects which both come in handy not to mention the fact that he punishes champs for shrugging off debuffs and deals energy damage to them, as well as passively stuns them for increased duration. He also deals nice incinerate damage via the SP1 and SP2 and has unblockable special attacks when duped which is also nice.
Bishop is stuffed to the max with utility.
No no, slow and armor break are top utility my guy, definitely better quality than quadruple immunity and everything else you just named lmao I don't think I've ever laughed this hard ngl.
He doesn’t have quadruple immunity the upsell is crazy, everything else bro named was just straight waffle
You're right, it's even better than just immunity. He has huge energy resistance so he heals from shock incinerate and coldsnap rather than taking damage isn't that great? As for the bleeds, sure he's not immune but he can shrug off instantly before they deal any damage. Anything else?
My parents once told me "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all", but I never listened so here I am.
Are you out of your mind? Some of the responses you've made in here defending why you put champs above other champs are just outright wrong. @Samanun
SS a top 4 mystic in the overall game? Nick not a good attacker? Corvus being god tier? The list goes on ...
The fact that he actually put Sorcerer Supreme above Bishop and Silk is just... I don't even know what to say I'm speechless.
You got to understand this isn't bg’s tierlist though Sorcerer is a way more solid champ that both of them having both utility dmg and consistency which bishop and silk lack that’s why they get knocked down a tier
Sorcerer Supreme does not have more damage or consistency lol. 7* Silk can deal over 600k damage in a single sp3 rotation, and 7* Bishop's sp2 usually takes over 200k between actual hits and the incinerate at the end of the special. If you genuinely believe Sorcerer Supreme has more damage and is more consistent than them I don't know what to tell you other than you need to play the game more cause it doesn't sound like you know that much.
I didn't say she had more damage you can go back and read i never said that im saying her kit is more well rounded and not just a million points in 1 attribute her overall kit is much better
And yes she is more consistent than both of them and it’s not even close silk relies on a.i rng and bishop relies on crit rng while also having a terrible crit rate
Silk relies on AI? What for? You get to sp3 and they're dead where's the AI reliance there? As for Bishop, he doesn't need higher crit rate cause a single crit can deal about 100k in damage without the incinerate. If he had higher crit rate he would be way too strong to be a 7* this early. Again, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
I mean yeah i guess if you’re going for the sp3 rotation then yeah no a.i reliance there but then you’re just kind of getting rid of all her value in doing so her main thing is being able to finish fights quickly if she cant even do that and has no utility then might as well use titania
1 hit of bishop’s sp2 doing 100k? What’s the context for this a 7* rank 3 with recoil most likely i’ve seen a r3 with class advantage do much less. And again you’re not listening to everything im saying reliance on crit rng lack of utility and he’s not that good of a defender that’s why he is where he is.
You don't need AI reliance for sp2 either dude what are you talking about? What AI reliance do you need for sp2? 🤣
Three L takes in a single paragraph so I'm gonna have to number these: 1. Yeah recoils class advantage r3 7*, if you used SS in a similar scenario at the same rank she would never even get close to dealing that much in a single hit. 2. Lack of utility? One of the best purify counters, massive energy resistance so he can take hazard shift shock or incinerate lanes in AW or story content with zero issues and he can also purify bleeds by holding block. He has utility, not a ton but it's there. 3. Not that good of a defender? My guy, you literally have Sorcerer Supreme in God tier, she's a worse defender than Sunspot... What is going on is this argument real or am I arguing with an NPC? 💀 Anyways back to his actual defensive abilities: steady release after sp1 (you literally can't hit him for 10 secs if you aren't incinerate immune), sp2 (massive block penetration and requires perfect timing to fully dex, if you get clipped by the last bit you get incinerated and lose a **** ton of health).
Idk tho my r1 unawakened SS did a 51k crit sp2 no class advantage no recoils with the potential to go much higher, saying she wont reach anywhere near bishop if she was r3 with recoils is just wrong
Yes a lack of utility you can name as many different abilities as you want it’s not about quantity it’s about quality not that he has either
I wasn't basing her off her defensive ability Where did you get that impression? I literally have chi in beyond god tier because he’s a god on attack
Also i said bishop isn’t a good defender To Me and that’s one of the reasons i put him where i put him on my personal list
once you learn to dex his sp2 he has nothing else you don't need perfect timing it’s not hard To avoid his sp1 just block or do a 4 hit combo and dash back early or just use your own special attack to push him to an sp2
First special no ramp up? Doubt it.
He counters purify completely and he can deal with dot debuffs, he has decent enough utility. What does SS have? Armor break slow and nullify? Top tier utility right there lmao
I didn't, you said Bishop isn't that good on defense, I said SS is virtually useless on defense which she is, straight up.
You do need perfect timing, the beam has three hits if you time it wrong even for a split second you will end up getting clipped. At this point, not only do I think you've never played with these champs, you haven't even played against them lol you probably watch videos on YouTube and that's it.
Nope not the first special but it doesn't matter cause she gains power so fast you can throw an sp1 then immediately throw an sp1
Armor break slow nullify power control and sustainability a-lot better than what bishop has which is nothing. I said bishop isn't a good defender because people think of him as a defender or even a dual threat.
Perfect timing would be a frame perfect which it is no where close to being you have quite a bit of leeway when dexing it if you’re not panicking his sp2 has pretty obvious visual q’s so if you need to just look at his hand if you need to Even his sp1 is looks harder than it is
Also you dont need to slip in insults at the end of everything you type
Bishop has nothing??
He can shrug off bleeds, has high enough energy resistance to reduce and then heal from energy DOT like incinerate, shock and coldsnap (he's effectively got quadruple immunities!) not to mention he deals damage back for energy damage done to him which is really nice. He has regeneration buffs and prowess effects which both come in handy not to mention the fact that he punishes champs for shrugging off debuffs and deals energy damage to them, as well as passively stuns them for increased duration. He also deals nice incinerate damage via the SP1 and SP2 and has unblockable special attacks when duped which is also nice.
Bishop is stuffed to the max with utility.
No no, slow and armor break are top utility my guy, definitely better quality than quadruple immunity and everything else you just named lmao I don't think I've ever laughed this hard ngl.
Can we also just appreciate how much OP seems to value armour break, then goes and puts Thor in the worst tier with groot as @SaltE_Wenis69 said
Slow, power control, sustainability
And yes thor goes in the worst tier he has no utility dmg isnt everything
brodie does not know how to work around unstoppable, bait specials, or stay alive😠This seems like a big skill issue to me
No! You need slow for unstoppable. And don't you know baiting specials requires AI cooperation? Therefore you need power control, massive utility.
Wooooow and then down playing power control desperately trying to make up anything because you can’t accept the facts as if doom isn’t widely considered top 10 in the game because of power control
cope.
Accept what? That Sorcerer Supreme is better than Bishop? Well, we have four pages full of people disagreeing on this same thread lol have you considered that maybe you're wrong?
My parents once told me "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all", but I never listened so here I am.
Are you out of your mind? Some of the responses you've made in here defending why you put champs above other champs are just outright wrong. @Samanun
SS a top 4 mystic in the overall game? Nick not a good attacker? Corvus being god tier? The list goes on ...
Yeah overall as a champ sorcerer is just better she has utility and dmg juggs and tigra really only have dmg Nick just times out all the time Corvus still has the utility and dmg to remain god tier he is still useful
SS is better than juggs and tigra? Lmao
Corvus is useless past act 6.
And @Milan1405 literally SHOWED YOU nick slaying matches in bg's, you just clearly have bo idea how to, nor do I, but in the hands of a good nick player it's game over, clearly.
My parents once told me "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all", but I never listened so here I am.
Are you out of your mind? Some of the responses you've made in here defending why you put champs above other champs are just outright wrong. @Samanun
SS a top 4 mystic in the overall game? Nick not a good attacker? Corvus being god tier? The list goes on ...
Yeah overall as a champ sorcerer is just better she has utility and dmg juggs and tigra really only have dmg Nick just times out all the time Corvus still has the utility and dmg to remain god tier he is still useful
SS is better than juggs and tigra? Lmao
Corvus is useless past act 6.
And @Milan1405 literally SHOWED YOU nick slaying matches in bg's, you just clearly have bo idea how to, nor do I, but in the hands of a good nick player it's game over, clearly.
Got more proof of Nick's dominance:
In the bin you go, ascended scorp.
I genuinely face palm each and every time cool class advantage and a low health pool what are you even showing here? Also r5 ascended deep wounds against a mid defender
My parents once told me "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all", but I never listened so here I am.
Are you out of your mind? Some of the responses you've made in here defending why you put champs above other champs are just outright wrong. @Samanun
SS a top 4 mystic in the overall game? Nick not a good attacker? Corvus being god tier? The list goes on ...
The fact that he actually put Sorcerer Supreme above Bishop and Silk is just... I don't even know what to say I'm speechless.
You got to understand this isn't bg’s tierlist though Sorcerer is a way more solid champ that both of them having both utility dmg and consistency which bishop and silk lack that’s why they get knocked down a tier
Sorcerer Supreme does not have more damage or consistency lol. 7* Silk can deal over 600k damage in a single sp3 rotation, and 7* Bishop's sp2 usually takes over 200k between actual hits and the incinerate at the end of the special. If you genuinely believe Sorcerer Supreme has more damage and is more consistent than them I don't know what to tell you other than you need to play the game more cause it doesn't sound like you know that much.
I didn't say she had more damage you can go back and read i never said that im saying her kit is more well rounded and not just a million points in 1 attribute her overall kit is much better
And yes she is more consistent than both of them and it’s not even close silk relies on a.i rng and bishop relies on crit rng while also having a terrible crit rate
Silk relies on AI? What for? You get to sp3 and they're dead where's the AI reliance there? As for Bishop, he doesn't need higher crit rate cause a single crit can deal about 100k in damage without the incinerate. If he had higher crit rate he would be way too strong to be a 7* this early. Again, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
I mean yeah i guess if you’re going for the sp3 rotation then yeah no a.i reliance there but then you’re just kind of getting rid of all her value in doing so her main thing is being able to finish fights quickly if she cant even do that and has no utility then might as well use titania
1 hit of bishop’s sp2 doing 100k? What’s the context for this a 7* rank 3 with recoil most likely i’ve seen a r3 with class advantage do much less. And again you’re not listening to everything im saying reliance on crit rng lack of utility and he’s not that good of a defender that’s why he is where he is.
You don't need AI reliance for sp2 either dude what are you talking about? What AI reliance do you need for sp2? 🤣
Three L takes in a single paragraph so I'm gonna have to number these: 1. Yeah recoils class advantage r3 7*, if you used SS in a similar scenario at the same rank she would never even get close to dealing that much in a single hit. 2. Lack of utility? One of the best purify counters, massive energy resistance so he can take hazard shift shock or incinerate lanes in AW or story content with zero issues and he can also purify bleeds by holding block. He has utility, not a ton but it's there. 3. Not that good of a defender? My guy, you literally have Sorcerer Supreme in God tier, she's a worse defender than Sunspot... What is going on is this argument real or am I arguing with an NPC? 💀 Anyways back to his actual defensive abilities: steady release after sp1 (you literally can't hit him for 10 secs if you aren't incinerate immune), sp2 (massive block penetration and requires perfect timing to fully dex, if you get clipped by the last bit you get incinerated and lose a **** ton of health).
Idk tho my r1 unawakened SS did a 51k crit sp2 no class advantage no recoils with the potential to go much higher, saying she wont reach anywhere near bishop if she was r3 with recoils is just wrong
Yes a lack of utility you can name as many different abilities as you want it’s not about quantity it’s about quality not that he has either
I wasn't basing her off her defensive ability Where did you get that impression? I literally have chi in beyond god tier because he’s a god on attack
Also i said bishop isn’t a good defender To Me and that’s one of the reasons i put him where i put him on my personal list
once you learn to dex his sp2 he has nothing else you don't need perfect timing it’s not hard To avoid his sp1 just block or do a 4 hit combo and dash back early or just use your own special attack to push him to an sp2
First special no ramp up? Doubt it.
He counters purify completely and he can deal with dot debuffs, he has decent enough utility. What does SS have? Armor break slow and nullify? Top tier utility right there lmao
I didn't, you said Bishop isn't that good on defense, I said SS is virtually useless on defense which she is, straight up.
You do need perfect timing, the beam has three hits if you time it wrong even for a split second you will end up getting clipped. At this point, not only do I think you've never played with these champs, you haven't even played against them lol you probably watch videos on YouTube and that's it.
Nope not the first special but it doesn't matter cause she gains power so fast you can throw an sp1 then immediately throw an sp1
Armor break slow nullify power control and sustainability a-lot better than what bishop has which is nothing. I said bishop isn't a good defender because people think of him as a defender or even a dual threat.
Perfect timing would be a frame perfect which it is no where close to being you have quite a bit of leeway when dexing it if you’re not panicking his sp2 has pretty obvious visual q’s so if you need to just look at his hand if you need to Even his sp1 is looks harder than it is
Also you dont need to slip in insults at the end of everything you type
Bishop has nothing??
He can shrug off bleeds, has high enough energy resistance to reduce and then heal from energy DOT like incinerate, shock and coldsnap (he's effectively got quadruple immunities!) not to mention he deals damage back for energy damage done to him which is really nice. He has regeneration buffs and prowess effects which both come in handy not to mention the fact that he punishes champs for shrugging off debuffs and deals energy damage to them, as well as passively stuns them for increased duration. He also deals nice incinerate damage via the SP1 and SP2 and has unblockable special attacks when duped which is also nice.
Bishop is stuffed to the max with utility.
No no, slow and armor break are top utility my guy, definitely better quality than quadruple immunity and everything else you just named lmao I don't think I've ever laughed this hard ngl.
He doesn’t have quadruple immunity the upsell is crazy, everything else bro named was just straight waffle
You're right, it's even better than just immunity. He has huge energy resistance so he heals from shock incinerate and coldsnap rather than taking damage isn't that great? As for the bleeds, sure he's not immune but he can shrug off instantly before they deal any damage. Anything else?
You’re right he can heal from it… but he can also take damage from it… he’s not 100% resistant it can still kill him
My parents once told me "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all", but I never listened so here I am.
Are you out of your mind? Some of the responses you've made in here defending why you put champs above other champs are just outright wrong. @Samanun
SS a top 4 mystic in the overall game? Nick not a good attacker? Corvus being god tier? The list goes on ...
The fact that he actually put Sorcerer Supreme above Bishop and Silk is just... I don't even know what to say I'm speechless.
You got to understand this isn't bg’s tierlist though Sorcerer is a way more solid champ that both of them having both utility dmg and consistency which bishop and silk lack that’s why they get knocked down a tier
Sorcerer Supreme does not have more damage or consistency lol. 7* Silk can deal over 600k damage in a single sp3 rotation, and 7* Bishop's sp2 usually takes over 200k between actual hits and the incinerate at the end of the special. If you genuinely believe Sorcerer Supreme has more damage and is more consistent than them I don't know what to tell you other than you need to play the game more cause it doesn't sound like you know that much.
I didn't say she had more damage you can go back and read i never said that im saying her kit is more well rounded and not just a million points in 1 attribute her overall kit is much better
And yes she is more consistent than both of them and it’s not even close silk relies on a.i rng and bishop relies on crit rng while also having a terrible crit rate
Silk relies on AI? What for? You get to sp3 and they're dead where's the AI reliance there? As for Bishop, he doesn't need higher crit rate cause a single crit can deal about 100k in damage without the incinerate. If he had higher crit rate he would be way too strong to be a 7* this early. Again, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
I mean yeah i guess if you’re going for the sp3 rotation then yeah no a.i reliance there but then you’re just kind of getting rid of all her value in doing so her main thing is being able to finish fights quickly if she cant even do that and has no utility then might as well use titania
1 hit of bishop’s sp2 doing 100k? What’s the context for this a 7* rank 3 with recoil most likely i’ve seen a r3 with class advantage do much less. And again you’re not listening to everything im saying reliance on crit rng lack of utility and he’s not that good of a defender that’s why he is where he is.
You don't need AI reliance for sp2 either dude what are you talking about? What AI reliance do you need for sp2? 🤣
Three L takes in a single paragraph so I'm gonna have to number these: 1. Yeah recoils class advantage r3 7*, if you used SS in a similar scenario at the same rank she would never even get close to dealing that much in a single hit. 2. Lack of utility? One of the best purify counters, massive energy resistance so he can take hazard shift shock or incinerate lanes in AW or story content with zero issues and he can also purify bleeds by holding block. He has utility, not a ton but it's there. 3. Not that good of a defender? My guy, you literally have Sorcerer Supreme in God tier, she's a worse defender than Sunspot... What is going on is this argument real or am I arguing with an NPC? 💀 Anyways back to his actual defensive abilities: steady release after sp1 (you literally can't hit him for 10 secs if you aren't incinerate immune), sp2 (massive block penetration and requires perfect timing to fully dex, if you get clipped by the last bit you get incinerated and lose a **** ton of health).
Idk tho my r1 unawakened SS did a 51k crit sp2 no class advantage no recoils with the potential to go much higher, saying she wont reach anywhere near bishop if she was r3 with recoils is just wrong
Yes a lack of utility you can name as many different abilities as you want it’s not about quantity it’s about quality not that he has either
I wasn't basing her off her defensive ability Where did you get that impression? I literally have chi in beyond god tier because he’s a god on attack
Also i said bishop isn’t a good defender To Me and that’s one of the reasons i put him where i put him on my personal list
once you learn to dex his sp2 he has nothing else you don't need perfect timing it’s not hard To avoid his sp1 just block or do a 4 hit combo and dash back early or just use your own special attack to push him to an sp2
First special no ramp up? Doubt it.
He counters purify completely and he can deal with dot debuffs, he has decent enough utility. What does SS have? Armor break slow and nullify? Top tier utility right there lmao
I didn't, you said Bishop isn't that good on defense, I said SS is virtually useless on defense which she is, straight up.
You do need perfect timing, the beam has three hits if you time it wrong even for a split second you will end up getting clipped. At this point, not only do I think you've never played with these champs, you haven't even played against them lol you probably watch videos on YouTube and that's it.
Nope not the first special but it doesn't matter cause she gains power so fast you can throw an sp1 then immediately throw an sp1
Armor break slow nullify power control and sustainability a-lot better than what bishop has which is nothing. I said bishop isn't a good defender because people think of him as a defender or even a dual threat.
Perfect timing would be a frame perfect which it is no where close to being you have quite a bit of leeway when dexing it if you’re not panicking his sp2 has pretty obvious visual q’s so if you need to just look at his hand if you need to Even his sp1 is looks harder than it is
Also you dont need to slip in insults at the end of everything you type
Bishop has nothing??
He can shrug off bleeds, has high enough energy resistance to reduce and then heal from energy DOT like incinerate, shock and coldsnap (he's effectively got quadruple immunities!) not to mention he deals damage back for energy damage done to him which is really nice. He has regeneration buffs and prowess effects which both come in handy not to mention the fact that he punishes champs for shrugging off debuffs and deals energy damage to them, as well as passively stuns them for increased duration. He also deals nice incinerate damage via the SP1 and SP2 and has unblockable special attacks when duped which is also nice.
Bishop is stuffed to the max with utility.
No no, slow and armor break are top utility my guy, definitely better quality than quadruple immunity and everything else you just named lmao I don't think I've ever laughed this hard ngl.
Can we also just appreciate how much OP seems to value armour break, then goes and puts Thor in the worst tier with groot as @SaltE_Wenis69 said
Slow, power control, sustainability
And yes thor goes in the worst tier he has no utility dmg isnt everything
brodie does not know how to work around unstoppable, bait specials, or stay alive😠This seems like a big skill issue to me
No! You need slow for unstoppable. And don't you know baiting specials requires AI cooperation? Therefore you need power control, massive utility.
Wooooow and then down playing power control desperately trying to make up anything because you can’t accept the facts as if doom isn’t widely considered top 10 in the game because of power control
cope.
Accept what? That Sorcerer Supreme is better than Bishop? Well, we have four pages full of people disagreeing on this same thread lol have you considered that maybe you're wrong?
Out of sorcerer supreme and bishop which champ do you think people like more
My parents once told me "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all", but I never listened so here I am.
Are you out of your mind? Some of the responses you've made in here defending why you put champs above other champs are just outright wrong. @Samanun
SS a top 4 mystic in the overall game? Nick not a good attacker? Corvus being god tier? The list goes on ...
Yeah overall as a champ sorcerer is just better she has utility and dmg juggs and tigra really only have dmg Nick just times out all the time Corvus still has the utility and dmg to remain god tier he is still useful
SS is better than juggs and tigra? Lmao
Corvus is useless past act 6.
And @Milan1405 literally SHOWED YOU nick slaying matches in bg's, you just clearly have bo idea how to, nor do I, but in the hands of a good nick player it's game over, clearly.
Got more proof of Nick's dominance:
In the bin you go, ascended scorp.
It's so funny how he complains about defenders being mid and such but he placed Sorcerer Supreme almost at the top. He obviously took defensive abilities into account while making this list since Bullseye (garbage damage the only thing he has is utility) is also at the top of his list.
My parents once told me "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all", but I never listened so here I am.
Are you out of your mind? Some of the responses you've made in here defending why you put champs above other champs are just outright wrong. @Samanun
SS a top 4 mystic in the overall game? Nick not a good attacker? Corvus being god tier? The list goes on ...
Yeah overall as a champ sorcerer is just better she has utility and dmg juggs and tigra really only have dmg Nick just times out all the time Corvus still has the utility and dmg to remain god tier he is still useful
SS is better than juggs and tigra? Lmao
Corvus is useless past act 6.
And @Milan1405 literally SHOWED YOU nick slaying matches in bg's, you just clearly have bo idea how to, nor do I, but in the hands of a good nick player it's game over, clearly.
Got more proof of Nick's dominance:
In the bin you go, ascended scorp.
I genuinely face palm each and every time cool class advantage and a low health pool what are you even showing here? Also r5 ascended deep wounds against a mid defender
So what he has class advantage? Kingpin, mantis and kate struggle to kill him sub 30 seconds. Even if you do hulkling vs techs or nimgod vs mutants they struggle to get 26 second kill times.
My parents once told me "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all", but I never listened so here I am.
Are you out of your mind? Some of the responses you've made in here defending why you put champs above other champs are just outright wrong. @Samanun
SS a top 4 mystic in the overall game? Nick not a good attacker? Corvus being god tier? The list goes on ...
The fact that he actually put Sorcerer Supreme above Bishop and Silk is just... I don't even know what to say I'm speechless.
You got to understand this isn't bg’s tierlist though Sorcerer is a way more solid champ that both of them having both utility dmg and consistency which bishop and silk lack that’s why they get knocked down a tier
Sorcerer Supreme does not have more damage or consistency lol. 7* Silk can deal over 600k damage in a single sp3 rotation, and 7* Bishop's sp2 usually takes over 200k between actual hits and the incinerate at the end of the special. If you genuinely believe Sorcerer Supreme has more damage and is more consistent than them I don't know what to tell you other than you need to play the game more cause it doesn't sound like you know that much.
I didn't say she had more damage you can go back and read i never said that im saying her kit is more well rounded and not just a million points in 1 attribute her overall kit is much better
And yes she is more consistent than both of them and it’s not even close silk relies on a.i rng and bishop relies on crit rng while also having a terrible crit rate
Silk relies on AI? What for? You get to sp3 and they're dead where's the AI reliance there? As for Bishop, he doesn't need higher crit rate cause a single crit can deal about 100k in damage without the incinerate. If he had higher crit rate he would be way too strong to be a 7* this early. Again, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
I mean yeah i guess if you’re going for the sp3 rotation then yeah no a.i reliance there but then you’re just kind of getting rid of all her value in doing so her main thing is being able to finish fights quickly if she cant even do that and has no utility then might as well use titania
1 hit of bishop’s sp2 doing 100k? What’s the context for this a 7* rank 3 with recoil most likely i’ve seen a r3 with class advantage do much less. And again you’re not listening to everything im saying reliance on crit rng lack of utility and he’s not that good of a defender that’s why he is where he is.
You don't need AI reliance for sp2 either dude what are you talking about? What AI reliance do you need for sp2? 🤣
Three L takes in a single paragraph so I'm gonna have to number these: 1. Yeah recoils class advantage r3 7*, if you used SS in a similar scenario at the same rank she would never even get close to dealing that much in a single hit. 2. Lack of utility? One of the best purify counters, massive energy resistance so he can take hazard shift shock or incinerate lanes in AW or story content with zero issues and he can also purify bleeds by holding block. He has utility, not a ton but it's there. 3. Not that good of a defender? My guy, you literally have Sorcerer Supreme in God tier, she's a worse defender than Sunspot... What is going on is this argument real or am I arguing with an NPC? 💀 Anyways back to his actual defensive abilities: steady release after sp1 (you literally can't hit him for 10 secs if you aren't incinerate immune), sp2 (massive block penetration and requires perfect timing to fully dex, if you get clipped by the last bit you get incinerated and lose a **** ton of health).
Idk tho my r1 unawakened SS did a 51k crit sp2 no class advantage no recoils with the potential to go much higher, saying she wont reach anywhere near bishop if she was r3 with recoils is just wrong
Yes a lack of utility you can name as many different abilities as you want it’s not about quantity it’s about quality not that he has either
I wasn't basing her off her defensive ability Where did you get that impression? I literally have chi in beyond god tier because he’s a god on attack
Also i said bishop isn’t a good defender To Me and that’s one of the reasons i put him where i put him on my personal list
once you learn to dex his sp2 he has nothing else you don't need perfect timing it’s not hard To avoid his sp1 just block or do a 4 hit combo and dash back early or just use your own special attack to push him to an sp2
First special no ramp up? Doubt it.
He counters purify completely and he can deal with dot debuffs, he has decent enough utility. What does SS have? Armor break slow and nullify? Top tier utility right there lmao
I didn't, you said Bishop isn't that good on defense, I said SS is virtually useless on defense which she is, straight up.
You do need perfect timing, the beam has three hits if you time it wrong even for a split second you will end up getting clipped. At this point, not only do I think you've never played with these champs, you haven't even played against them lol you probably watch videos on YouTube and that's it.
Nope not the first special but it doesn't matter cause she gains power so fast you can throw an sp1 then immediately throw an sp1
Armor break slow nullify power control and sustainability a-lot better than what bishop has which is nothing. I said bishop isn't a good defender because people think of him as a defender or even a dual threat.
Perfect timing would be a frame perfect which it is no where close to being you have quite a bit of leeway when dexing it if you’re not panicking his sp2 has pretty obvious visual q’s so if you need to just look at his hand if you need to Even his sp1 is looks harder than it is
Also you dont need to slip in insults at the end of everything you type
Bishop has nothing??
He can shrug off bleeds, has high enough energy resistance to reduce and then heal from energy DOT like incinerate, shock and coldsnap (he's effectively got quadruple immunities!) not to mention he deals damage back for energy damage done to him which is really nice. He has regeneration buffs and prowess effects which both come in handy not to mention the fact that he punishes champs for shrugging off debuffs and deals energy damage to them, as well as passively stuns them for increased duration. He also deals nice incinerate damage via the SP1 and SP2 and has unblockable special attacks when duped which is also nice.
Bishop is stuffed to the max with utility.
No no, slow and armor break are top utility my guy, definitely better quality than quadruple immunity and everything else you just named lmao I don't think I've ever laughed this hard ngl.
Can we also just appreciate how much OP seems to value armour break, then goes and puts Thor in the worst tier with groot as @SaltE_Wenis69 said
Slow, power control, sustainability
And yes thor goes in the worst tier he has no utility dmg isnt everything
brodie does not know how to work around unstoppable, bait specials, or stay alive😠This seems like a big skill issue to me
No! You need slow for unstoppable. And don't you know baiting specials requires AI cooperation? Therefore you need power control, massive utility.
Wooooow and then down playing power control desperately trying to make up anything because you can’t accept the facts as if doom isn’t widely considered top 10 in the game because of power control
cope.
Accept what? That Sorcerer Supreme is better than Bishop? Well, we have four pages full of people disagreeing on this same thread lol have you considered that maybe you're wrong?
Out of sorcerer supreme and bishop which champ do you think people like more
If you really REALLY want to embarrass yourself like that, go ahead and make a poll.
My parents once told me "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all", but I never listened so here I am.
Are you out of your mind? Some of the responses you've made in here defending why you put champs above other champs are just outright wrong. @Samanun
SS a top 4 mystic in the overall game? Nick not a good attacker? Corvus being god tier? The list goes on ...
The fact that he actually put Sorcerer Supreme above Bishop and Silk is just... I don't even know what to say I'm speechless.
You got to understand this isn't bg’s tierlist though Sorcerer is a way more solid champ that both of them having both utility dmg and consistency which bishop and silk lack that’s why they get knocked down a tier
Sorcerer Supreme does not have more damage or consistency lol. 7* Silk can deal over 600k damage in a single sp3 rotation, and 7* Bishop's sp2 usually takes over 200k between actual hits and the incinerate at the end of the special. If you genuinely believe Sorcerer Supreme has more damage and is more consistent than them I don't know what to tell you other than you need to play the game more cause it doesn't sound like you know that much.
I didn't say she had more damage you can go back and read i never said that im saying her kit is more well rounded and not just a million points in 1 attribute her overall kit is much better
And yes she is more consistent than both of them and it’s not even close silk relies on a.i rng and bishop relies on crit rng while also having a terrible crit rate
Silk relies on AI? What for? You get to sp3 and they're dead where's the AI reliance there? As for Bishop, he doesn't need higher crit rate cause a single crit can deal about 100k in damage without the incinerate. If he had higher crit rate he would be way too strong to be a 7* this early. Again, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
I mean yeah i guess if you’re going for the sp3 rotation then yeah no a.i reliance there but then you’re just kind of getting rid of all her value in doing so her main thing is being able to finish fights quickly if she cant even do that and has no utility then might as well use titania
1 hit of bishop’s sp2 doing 100k? What’s the context for this a 7* rank 3 with recoil most likely i’ve seen a r3 with class advantage do much less. And again you’re not listening to everything im saying reliance on crit rng lack of utility and he’s not that good of a defender that’s why he is where he is.
You don't need AI reliance for sp2 either dude what are you talking about? What AI reliance do you need for sp2? 🤣
Three L takes in a single paragraph so I'm gonna have to number these: 1. Yeah recoils class advantage r3 7*, if you used SS in a similar scenario at the same rank she would never even get close to dealing that much in a single hit. 2. Lack of utility? One of the best purify counters, massive energy resistance so he can take hazard shift shock or incinerate lanes in AW or story content with zero issues and he can also purify bleeds by holding block. He has utility, not a ton but it's there. 3. Not that good of a defender? My guy, you literally have Sorcerer Supreme in God tier, she's a worse defender than Sunspot... What is going on is this argument real or am I arguing with an NPC? 💀 Anyways back to his actual defensive abilities: steady release after sp1 (you literally can't hit him for 10 secs if you aren't incinerate immune), sp2 (massive block penetration and requires perfect timing to fully dex, if you get clipped by the last bit you get incinerated and lose a **** ton of health).
Idk tho my r1 unawakened SS did a 51k crit sp2 no class advantage no recoils with the potential to go much higher, saying she wont reach anywhere near bishop if she was r3 with recoils is just wrong
Yes a lack of utility you can name as many different abilities as you want it’s not about quantity it’s about quality not that he has either
I wasn't basing her off her defensive ability Where did you get that impression? I literally have chi in beyond god tier because he’s a god on attack
Also i said bishop isn’t a good defender To Me and that’s one of the reasons i put him where i put him on my personal list
once you learn to dex his sp2 he has nothing else you don't need perfect timing it’s not hard To avoid his sp1 just block or do a 4 hit combo and dash back early or just use your own special attack to push him to an sp2
First special no ramp up? Doubt it.
He counters purify completely and he can deal with dot debuffs, he has decent enough utility. What does SS have? Armor break slow and nullify? Top tier utility right there lmao
I didn't, you said Bishop isn't that good on defense, I said SS is virtually useless on defense which she is, straight up.
You do need perfect timing, the beam has three hits if you time it wrong even for a split second you will end up getting clipped. At this point, not only do I think you've never played with these champs, you haven't even played against them lol you probably watch videos on YouTube and that's it.
Nope not the first special but it doesn't matter cause she gains power so fast you can throw an sp1 then immediately throw an sp1
Armor break slow nullify power control and sustainability a-lot better than what bishop has which is nothing. I said bishop isn't a good defender because people think of him as a defender or even a dual threat.
Perfect timing would be a frame perfect which it is no where close to being you have quite a bit of leeway when dexing it if you’re not panicking his sp2 has pretty obvious visual q’s so if you need to just look at his hand if you need to Even his sp1 is looks harder than it is
Also you dont need to slip in insults at the end of everything you type
Bishop has nothing??
He can shrug off bleeds, has high enough energy resistance to reduce and then heal from energy DOT like incinerate, shock and coldsnap (he's effectively got quadruple immunities!) not to mention he deals damage back for energy damage done to him which is really nice. He has regeneration buffs and prowess effects which both come in handy not to mention the fact that he punishes champs for shrugging off debuffs and deals energy damage to them, as well as passively stuns them for increased duration. He also deals nice incinerate damage via the SP1 and SP2 and has unblockable special attacks when duped which is also nice.
Bishop is stuffed to the max with utility.
No no, slow and armor break are top utility my guy, definitely better quality than quadruple immunity and everything else you just named lmao I don't think I've ever laughed this hard ngl.
Can we also just appreciate how much OP seems to value armour break, then goes and puts Thor in the worst tier with groot as @SaltE_Wenis69 said
Slow, power control, sustainability
And yes thor goes in the worst tier he has no utility dmg isnt everything
brodie does not know how to work around unstoppable, bait specials, or stay alive😠This seems like a big skill issue to me
No! You need slow for unstoppable. And don't you know baiting specials requires AI cooperation? Therefore you need power control, massive utility.
Wooooow and then down playing power control desperately trying to make up anything because you can’t accept the facts as if doom isn’t widely considered top 10 in the game because of power control
cope.
Accept what? That Sorcerer Supreme is better than Bishop? Well, we have four pages full of people disagreeing on this same thread lol have you considered that maybe you're wrong?
Out of sorcerer supreme and bishop which champ do you think people like more
If you really REALLY want to embarrass yourself like that, go ahead and make a poll.
My parents once told me "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all", but I never listened so here I am.
Are you out of your mind? Some of the responses you've made in here defending why you put champs above other champs are just outright wrong. @Samanun
SS a top 4 mystic in the overall game? Nick not a good attacker? Corvus being god tier? The list goes on ...
The fact that he actually put Sorcerer Supreme above Bishop and Silk is just... I don't even know what to say I'm speechless.
You got to understand this isn't bg’s tierlist though Sorcerer is a way more solid champ that both of them having both utility dmg and consistency which bishop and silk lack that’s why they get knocked down a tier
Sorcerer Supreme does not have more damage or consistency lol. 7* Silk can deal over 600k damage in a single sp3 rotation, and 7* Bishop's sp2 usually takes over 200k between actual hits and the incinerate at the end of the special. If you genuinely believe Sorcerer Supreme has more damage and is more consistent than them I don't know what to tell you other than you need to play the game more cause it doesn't sound like you know that much.
I didn't say she had more damage you can go back and read i never said that im saying her kit is more well rounded and not just a million points in 1 attribute her overall kit is much better
And yes she is more consistent than both of them and it’s not even close silk relies on a.i rng and bishop relies on crit rng while also having a terrible crit rate
Silk relies on AI? What for? You get to sp3 and they're dead where's the AI reliance there? As for Bishop, he doesn't need higher crit rate cause a single crit can deal about 100k in damage without the incinerate. If he had higher crit rate he would be way too strong to be a 7* this early. Again, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
I mean yeah i guess if you’re going for the sp3 rotation then yeah no a.i reliance there but then you’re just kind of getting rid of all her value in doing so her main thing is being able to finish fights quickly if she cant even do that and has no utility then might as well use titania
1 hit of bishop’s sp2 doing 100k? What’s the context for this a 7* rank 3 with recoil most likely i’ve seen a r3 with class advantage do much less. And again you’re not listening to everything im saying reliance on crit rng lack of utility and he’s not that good of a defender that’s why he is where he is.
You don't need AI reliance for sp2 either dude what are you talking about? What AI reliance do you need for sp2? 🤣
Three L takes in a single paragraph so I'm gonna have to number these: 1. Yeah recoils class advantage r3 7*, if you used SS in a similar scenario at the same rank she would never even get close to dealing that much in a single hit. 2. Lack of utility? One of the best purify counters, massive energy resistance so he can take hazard shift shock or incinerate lanes in AW or story content with zero issues and he can also purify bleeds by holding block. He has utility, not a ton but it's there. 3. Not that good of a defender? My guy, you literally have Sorcerer Supreme in God tier, she's a worse defender than Sunspot... What is going on is this argument real or am I arguing with an NPC? 💀 Anyways back to his actual defensive abilities: steady release after sp1 (you literally can't hit him for 10 secs if you aren't incinerate immune), sp2 (massive block penetration and requires perfect timing to fully dex, if you get clipped by the last bit you get incinerated and lose a **** ton of health).
Idk tho my r1 unawakened SS did a 51k crit sp2 no class advantage no recoils with the potential to go much higher, saying she wont reach anywhere near bishop if she was r3 with recoils is just wrong
Yes a lack of utility you can name as many different abilities as you want it’s not about quantity it’s about quality not that he has either
I wasn't basing her off her defensive ability Where did you get that impression? I literally have chi in beyond god tier because he’s a god on attack
Also i said bishop isn’t a good defender To Me and that’s one of the reasons i put him where i put him on my personal list
once you learn to dex his sp2 he has nothing else you don't need perfect timing it’s not hard To avoid his sp1 just block or do a 4 hit combo and dash back early or just use your own special attack to push him to an sp2
First special no ramp up? Doubt it.
He counters purify completely and he can deal with dot debuffs, he has decent enough utility. What does SS have? Armor break slow and nullify? Top tier utility right there lmao
I didn't, you said Bishop isn't that good on defense, I said SS is virtually useless on defense which she is, straight up.
You do need perfect timing, the beam has three hits if you time it wrong even for a split second you will end up getting clipped. At this point, not only do I think you've never played with these champs, you haven't even played against them lol you probably watch videos on YouTube and that's it.
Nope not the first special but it doesn't matter cause she gains power so fast you can throw an sp1 then immediately throw an sp1
Armor break slow nullify power control and sustainability a-lot better than what bishop has which is nothing. I said bishop isn't a good defender because people think of him as a defender or even a dual threat.
Perfect timing would be a frame perfect which it is no where close to being you have quite a bit of leeway when dexing it if you’re not panicking his sp2 has pretty obvious visual q’s so if you need to just look at his hand if you need to Even his sp1 is looks harder than it is
Also you dont need to slip in insults at the end of everything you type
Bishop has nothing??
He can shrug off bleeds, has high enough energy resistance to reduce and then heal from energy DOT like incinerate, shock and coldsnap (he's effectively got quadruple immunities!) not to mention he deals damage back for energy damage done to him which is really nice. He has regeneration buffs and prowess effects which both come in handy not to mention the fact that he punishes champs for shrugging off debuffs and deals energy damage to them, as well as passively stuns them for increased duration. He also deals nice incinerate damage via the SP1 and SP2 and has unblockable special attacks when duped which is also nice.
Bishop is stuffed to the max with utility.
No no, slow and armor break are top utility my guy, definitely better quality than quadruple immunity and everything else you just named lmao I don't think I've ever laughed this hard ngl.
He doesn’t have quadruple immunity the upsell is crazy, everything else bro named was just straight waffle
You're right, it's even better than just immunity. He has huge energy resistance so he heals from shock incinerate and coldsnap rather than taking damage isn't that great? As for the bleeds, sure he's not immune but he can shrug off instantly before they deal any damage. Anything else?
You’re right he can heal from it… but he can also take damage from it… he’s not 100% resistant it can still kill him
I've taken path 9 in AW with him countless times, never taken any meaningful damage from shock or incinerate. Even with 6 or 7 shocks or incinerates on you, you still take hardly any damage (and as a plus, your opponent's health bar melts because of power overload)
My parents once told me "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all", but I never listened so here I am.
Are you out of your mind? Some of the responses you've made in here defending why you put champs above other champs are just outright wrong. @Samanun
SS a top 4 mystic in the overall game? Nick not a good attacker? Corvus being god tier? The list goes on ...
Yeah overall as a champ sorcerer is just better she has utility and dmg juggs and tigra really only have dmg Nick just times out all the time Corvus still has the utility and dmg to remain god tier he is still useful
SS is better than juggs and tigra? Lmao
Corvus is useless past act 6.
And @Milan1405 literally SHOWED YOU nick slaying matches in bg's, you just clearly have bo idea how to, nor do I, but in the hands of a good nick player it's game over, clearly.
Got more proof of Nick's dominance:
In the bin you go, ascended scorp.
I genuinely face palm each and every time cool class advantage and a low health pool what are you even showing here? Also r5 ascended deep wounds against a mid defender
You're saying that like it's common to get 52.7k points against a defender... Do you play BGs at all?
My parents once told me "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all", but I never listened so here I am.
Are you out of your mind? Some of the responses you've made in here defending why you put champs above other champs are just outright wrong. @Samanun
SS a top 4 mystic in the overall game? Nick not a good attacker? Corvus being god tier? The list goes on ...
Yeah overall as a champ sorcerer is just better she has utility and dmg juggs and tigra really only have dmg Nick just times out all the time Corvus still has the utility and dmg to remain god tier he is still useful
SS is better than juggs and tigra? Lmao
Corvus is useless past act 6.
And @Milan1405 literally SHOWED YOU nick slaying matches in bg's, you just clearly have bo idea how to, nor do I, but in the hands of a good nick player it's game over, clearly.
Got more proof of Nick's dominance:
In the bin you go, ascended scorp.
It's so funny how he complains about defenders being mid and such but he placed Sorcerer Supreme almost at the top. He obviously took defensive abilities into account while making this list since Bullseye (garbage damage the only thing he has is utility) is also at the top of his list.
Yes i took defensive ability into account but not for every champion for obvious reasons just the defenders, bullseyes value as a defender puts him in god tier but not into beyond god tier not because he’s not good enough but because i think not being able to attack is worse than not being able to defend
I also think sorcerer supreme’s utility and damage is enough to put her into god tier
My parents once told me "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all", but I never listened so here I am.
Are you out of your mind? Some of the responses you've made in here defending why you put champs above other champs are just outright wrong. @Samanun
SS a top 4 mystic in the overall game? Nick not a good attacker? Corvus being god tier? The list goes on ...
Yeah overall as a champ sorcerer is just better she has utility and dmg juggs and tigra really only have dmg Nick just times out all the time Corvus still has the utility and dmg to remain god tier he is still useful
SS is better than juggs and tigra? Lmao
Corvus is useless past act 6.
And @Milan1405 literally SHOWED YOU nick slaying matches in bg's, you just clearly have bo idea how to, nor do I, but in the hands of a good nick player it's game over, clearly.
Got more proof of Nick's dominance:
In the bin you go, ascended scorp.
I genuinely face palm each and every time cool class advantage and a low health pool what are you even showing here? Also r5 ascended deep wounds against a mid defender
You're saying that like it's common to get 52.7k points against a defender... Do you play BGs at all?
It’s very common when a champ is maxed out with class advantage against a champ with a low health pool i’ve done it countless times and so have others
My parents once told me "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all", but I never listened so here I am.
Are you out of your mind? Some of the responses you've made in here defending why you put champs above other champs are just outright wrong. @Samanun
SS a top 4 mystic in the overall game? Nick not a good attacker? Corvus being god tier? The list goes on ...
The fact that he actually put Sorcerer Supreme above Bishop and Silk is just... I don't even know what to say I'm speechless.
You got to understand this isn't bg’s tierlist though Sorcerer is a way more solid champ that both of them having both utility dmg and consistency which bishop and silk lack that’s why they get knocked down a tier
Sorcerer Supreme does not have more damage or consistency lol. 7* Silk can deal over 600k damage in a single sp3 rotation, and 7* Bishop's sp2 usually takes over 200k between actual hits and the incinerate at the end of the special. If you genuinely believe Sorcerer Supreme has more damage and is more consistent than them I don't know what to tell you other than you need to play the game more cause it doesn't sound like you know that much.
I didn't say she had more damage you can go back and read i never said that im saying her kit is more well rounded and not just a million points in 1 attribute her overall kit is much better
And yes she is more consistent than both of them and it’s not even close silk relies on a.i rng and bishop relies on crit rng while also having a terrible crit rate
Silk relies on AI? What for? You get to sp3 and they're dead where's the AI reliance there? As for Bishop, he doesn't need higher crit rate cause a single crit can deal about 100k in damage without the incinerate. If he had higher crit rate he would be way too strong to be a 7* this early. Again, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
I mean yeah i guess if you’re going for the sp3 rotation then yeah no a.i reliance there but then you’re just kind of getting rid of all her value in doing so her main thing is being able to finish fights quickly if she cant even do that and has no utility then might as well use titania
1 hit of bishop’s sp2 doing 100k? What’s the context for this a 7* rank 3 with recoil most likely i’ve seen a r3 with class advantage do much less. And again you’re not listening to everything im saying reliance on crit rng lack of utility and he’s not that good of a defender that’s why he is where he is.
You don't need AI reliance for sp2 either dude what are you talking about? What AI reliance do you need for sp2? 🤣
Three L takes in a single paragraph so I'm gonna have to number these: 1. Yeah recoils class advantage r3 7*, if you used SS in a similar scenario at the same rank she would never even get close to dealing that much in a single hit. 2. Lack of utility? One of the best purify counters, massive energy resistance so he can take hazard shift shock or incinerate lanes in AW or story content with zero issues and he can also purify bleeds by holding block. He has utility, not a ton but it's there. 3. Not that good of a defender? My guy, you literally have Sorcerer Supreme in God tier, she's a worse defender than Sunspot... What is going on is this argument real or am I arguing with an NPC? 💀 Anyways back to his actual defensive abilities: steady release after sp1 (you literally can't hit him for 10 secs if you aren't incinerate immune), sp2 (massive block penetration and requires perfect timing to fully dex, if you get clipped by the last bit you get incinerated and lose a **** ton of health).
Idk tho my r1 unawakened SS did a 51k crit sp2 no class advantage no recoils with the potential to go much higher, saying she wont reach anywhere near bishop if she was r3 with recoils is just wrong
Yes a lack of utility you can name as many different abilities as you want it’s not about quantity it’s about quality not that he has either
I wasn't basing her off her defensive ability Where did you get that impression? I literally have chi in beyond god tier because he’s a god on attack
Also i said bishop isn’t a good defender To Me and that’s one of the reasons i put him where i put him on my personal list
once you learn to dex his sp2 he has nothing else you don't need perfect timing it’s not hard To avoid his sp1 just block or do a 4 hit combo and dash back early or just use your own special attack to push him to an sp2
First special no ramp up? Doubt it.
He counters purify completely and he can deal with dot debuffs, he has decent enough utility. What does SS have? Armor break slow and nullify? Top tier utility right there lmao
I didn't, you said Bishop isn't that good on defense, I said SS is virtually useless on defense which she is, straight up.
You do need perfect timing, the beam has three hits if you time it wrong even for a split second you will end up getting clipped. At this point, not only do I think you've never played with these champs, you haven't even played against them lol you probably watch videos on YouTube and that's it.
Nope not the first special but it doesn't matter cause she gains power so fast you can throw an sp1 then immediately throw an sp1
Armor break slow nullify power control and sustainability a-lot better than what bishop has which is nothing. I said bishop isn't a good defender because people think of him as a defender or even a dual threat.
Perfect timing would be a frame perfect which it is no where close to being you have quite a bit of leeway when dexing it if you’re not panicking his sp2 has pretty obvious visual q’s so if you need to just look at his hand if you need to Even his sp1 is looks harder than it is
Also you dont need to slip in insults at the end of everything you type
Bishop has nothing??
He can shrug off bleeds, has high enough energy resistance to reduce and then heal from energy DOT like incinerate, shock and coldsnap (he's effectively got quadruple immunities!) not to mention he deals damage back for energy damage done to him which is really nice. He has regeneration buffs and prowess effects which both come in handy not to mention the fact that he punishes champs for shrugging off debuffs and deals energy damage to them, as well as passively stuns them for increased duration. He also deals nice incinerate damage via the SP1 and SP2 and has unblockable special attacks when duped which is also nice.
Bishop is stuffed to the max with utility.
No no, slow and armor break are top utility my guy, definitely better quality than quadruple immunity and everything else you just named lmao I don't think I've ever laughed this hard ngl.
Can we also just appreciate how much OP seems to value armour break, then goes and puts Thor in the worst tier with groot as @SaltE_Wenis69 said
Slow, power control, sustainability
And yes thor goes in the worst tier he has no utility dmg isnt everything
brodie does not know how to work around unstoppable, bait specials, or stay alive😠This seems like a big skill issue to me
No! You need slow for unstoppable. And don't you know baiting specials requires AI cooperation? Therefore you need power control, massive utility.
Wooooow and then down playing power control desperately trying to make up anything because you can’t accept the facts as if doom isn’t widely considered top 10 in the game because of power control
cope.
Accept what? That Sorcerer Supreme is better than Bishop? Well, we have four pages full of people disagreeing on this same thread lol have you considered that maybe you're wrong?
Out of sorcerer supreme and bishop which champ do you think people like more
If you really REALLY want to embarrass yourself like that, go ahead and make a poll.
My point was that of course everyone’s gonna disagree when that’s who most people like more and whether or not someone likes a champ has nothing to do with how good a champ is
My parents once told me "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all", but I never listened so here I am.
Are you out of your mind? Some of the responses you've made in here defending why you put champs above other champs are just outright wrong. @Samanun
SS a top 4 mystic in the overall game? Nick not a good attacker? Corvus being god tier? The list goes on ...
The fact that he actually put Sorcerer Supreme above Bishop and Silk is just... I don't even know what to say I'm speechless.
You got to understand this isn't bg’s tierlist though Sorcerer is a way more solid champ that both of them having both utility dmg and consistency which bishop and silk lack that’s why they get knocked down a tier
Sorcerer Supreme does not have more damage or consistency lol. 7* Silk can deal over 600k damage in a single sp3 rotation, and 7* Bishop's sp2 usually takes over 200k between actual hits and the incinerate at the end of the special. If you genuinely believe Sorcerer Supreme has more damage and is more consistent than them I don't know what to tell you other than you need to play the game more cause it doesn't sound like you know that much.
I didn't say she had more damage you can go back and read i never said that im saying her kit is more well rounded and not just a million points in 1 attribute her overall kit is much better
And yes she is more consistent than both of them and it’s not even close silk relies on a.i rng and bishop relies on crit rng while also having a terrible crit rate
Silk relies on AI? What for? You get to sp3 and they're dead where's the AI reliance there? As for Bishop, he doesn't need higher crit rate cause a single crit can deal about 100k in damage without the incinerate. If he had higher crit rate he would be way too strong to be a 7* this early. Again, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
I mean yeah i guess if you’re going for the sp3 rotation then yeah no a.i reliance there but then you’re just kind of getting rid of all her value in doing so her main thing is being able to finish fights quickly if she cant even do that and has no utility then might as well use titania
1 hit of bishop’s sp2 doing 100k? What’s the context for this a 7* rank 3 with recoil most likely i’ve seen a r3 with class advantage do much less. And again you’re not listening to everything im saying reliance on crit rng lack of utility and he’s not that good of a defender that’s why he is where he is.
You don't need AI reliance for sp2 either dude what are you talking about? What AI reliance do you need for sp2? 🤣
Three L takes in a single paragraph so I'm gonna have to number these: 1. Yeah recoils class advantage r3 7*, if you used SS in a similar scenario at the same rank she would never even get close to dealing that much in a single hit. 2. Lack of utility? One of the best purify counters, massive energy resistance so he can take hazard shift shock or incinerate lanes in AW or story content with zero issues and he can also purify bleeds by holding block. He has utility, not a ton but it's there. 3. Not that good of a defender? My guy, you literally have Sorcerer Supreme in God tier, she's a worse defender than Sunspot... What is going on is this argument real or am I arguing with an NPC? 💀 Anyways back to his actual defensive abilities: steady release after sp1 (you literally can't hit him for 10 secs if you aren't incinerate immune), sp2 (massive block penetration and requires perfect timing to fully dex, if you get clipped by the last bit you get incinerated and lose a **** ton of health).
Idk tho my r1 unawakened SS did a 51k crit sp2 no class advantage no recoils with the potential to go much higher, saying she wont reach anywhere near bishop if she was r3 with recoils is just wrong
Yes a lack of utility you can name as many different abilities as you want it’s not about quantity it’s about quality not that he has either
I wasn't basing her off her defensive ability Where did you get that impression? I literally have chi in beyond god tier because he’s a god on attack
Also i said bishop isn’t a good defender To Me and that’s one of the reasons i put him where i put him on my personal list
once you learn to dex his sp2 he has nothing else you don't need perfect timing it’s not hard To avoid his sp1 just block or do a 4 hit combo and dash back early or just use your own special attack to push him to an sp2
First special no ramp up? Doubt it.
He counters purify completely and he can deal with dot debuffs, he has decent enough utility. What does SS have? Armor break slow and nullify? Top tier utility right there lmao
I didn't, you said Bishop isn't that good on defense, I said SS is virtually useless on defense which she is, straight up.
You do need perfect timing, the beam has three hits if you time it wrong even for a split second you will end up getting clipped. At this point, not only do I think you've never played with these champs, you haven't even played against them lol you probably watch videos on YouTube and that's it.
Nope not the first special but it doesn't matter cause she gains power so fast you can throw an sp1 then immediately throw an sp1
Armor break slow nullify power control and sustainability a-lot better than what bishop has which is nothing. I said bishop isn't a good defender because people think of him as a defender or even a dual threat.
Perfect timing would be a frame perfect which it is no where close to being you have quite a bit of leeway when dexing it if you’re not panicking his sp2 has pretty obvious visual q’s so if you need to just look at his hand if you need to Even his sp1 is looks harder than it is
Also you dont need to slip in insults at the end of everything you type
Bishop has nothing??
He can shrug off bleeds, has high enough energy resistance to reduce and then heal from energy DOT like incinerate, shock and coldsnap (he's effectively got quadruple immunities!) not to mention he deals damage back for energy damage done to him which is really nice. He has regeneration buffs and prowess effects which both come in handy not to mention the fact that he punishes champs for shrugging off debuffs and deals energy damage to them, as well as passively stuns them for increased duration. He also deals nice incinerate damage via the SP1 and SP2 and has unblockable special attacks when duped which is also nice.
Bishop is stuffed to the max with utility.
No no, slow and armor break are top utility my guy, definitely better quality than quadruple immunity and everything else you just named lmao I don't think I've ever laughed this hard ngl.
Can we also just appreciate how much OP seems to value armour break, then goes and puts Thor in the worst tier with groot as @SaltE_Wenis69 said
Slow, power control, sustainability
And yes thor goes in the worst tier he has no utility dmg isnt everything
brodie does not know how to work around unstoppable, bait specials, or stay alive😠This seems like a big skill issue to me
No! You need slow for unstoppable. And don't you know baiting specials requires AI cooperation? Therefore you need power control, massive utility.
Wooooow and then down playing power control desperately trying to make up anything because you can’t accept the facts as if doom isn’t widely considered top 10 in the game because of power control
cope.
Accept what? That Sorcerer Supreme is better than Bishop? Well, we have four pages full of people disagreeing on this same thread lol have you considered that maybe you're wrong?
Out of sorcerer supreme and bishop which champ do you think people like more
If you really REALLY want to embarrass yourself like that, go ahead and make a poll.
My point was that of course everyone’s gonna disagree when that’s who most people like more and whether or not someone likes a champ has nothing to do with how good a champ is
Bishop IS better because he is not because people like him more, you can ask DLL KT1 Beroman Nagase Karatemike Lagacy Andrew Pepe or any top player and they'll all tell you Bishop is better because he factually is lol. If you like SS more just say that, the only reason you're getting hate is because you're saying she's better which she is not.
Also no way stryfe deserves to be that high. So many champs that u ranked lower are better than him like bishop, hood, hype, overseer, silk, etc. He is an easy defender and rubbish on BGs offence. He is barely used in war/questing as it's extremely impractical to ramp him in most cases compared with using other champs. He also falls short in necro where aegon kate shuri etc all outclass him.
My parents once told me "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all", but I never listened so here I am.
Are you out of your mind? Some of the responses you've made in here defending why you put champs above other champs are just outright wrong. @Samanun
SS a top 4 mystic in the overall game? Nick not a good attacker? Corvus being god tier? The list goes on ...
The fact that he actually put Sorcerer Supreme above Bishop and Silk is just... I don't even know what to say I'm speechless.
You got to understand this isn't bg’s tierlist though Sorcerer is a way more solid champ that both of them having both utility dmg and consistency which bishop and silk lack that’s why they get knocked down a tier
Sorcerer Supreme does not have more damage or consistency lol. 7* Silk can deal over 600k damage in a single sp3 rotation, and 7* Bishop's sp2 usually takes over 200k between actual hits and the incinerate at the end of the special. If you genuinely believe Sorcerer Supreme has more damage and is more consistent than them I don't know what to tell you other than you need to play the game more cause it doesn't sound like you know that much.
I didn't say she had more damage you can go back and read i never said that im saying her kit is more well rounded and not just a million points in 1 attribute her overall kit is much better
And yes she is more consistent than both of them and it’s not even close silk relies on a.i rng and bishop relies on crit rng while also having a terrible crit rate
Silk relies on AI? What for? You get to sp3 and they're dead where's the AI reliance there? As for Bishop, he doesn't need higher crit rate cause a single crit can deal about 100k in damage without the incinerate. If he had higher crit rate he would be way too strong to be a 7* this early. Again, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
I mean yeah i guess if you’re going for the sp3 rotation then yeah no a.i reliance there but then you’re just kind of getting rid of all her value in doing so her main thing is being able to finish fights quickly if she cant even do that and has no utility then might as well use titania
1 hit of bishop’s sp2 doing 100k? What’s the context for this a 7* rank 3 with recoil most likely i’ve seen a r3 with class advantage do much less. And again you’re not listening to everything im saying reliance on crit rng lack of utility and he’s not that good of a defender that’s why he is where he is.
You don't need AI reliance for sp2 either dude what are you talking about? What AI reliance do you need for sp2? 🤣
Three L takes in a single paragraph so I'm gonna have to number these: 1. Yeah recoils class advantage r3 7*, if you used SS in a similar scenario at the same rank she would never even get close to dealing that much in a single hit. 2. Lack of utility? One of the best purify counters, massive energy resistance so he can take hazard shift shock or incinerate lanes in AW or story content with zero issues and he can also purify bleeds by holding block. He has utility, not a ton but it's there. 3. Not that good of a defender? My guy, you literally have Sorcerer Supreme in God tier, she's a worse defender than Sunspot... What is going on is this argument real or am I arguing with an NPC? 💀 Anyways back to his actual defensive abilities: steady release after sp1 (you literally can't hit him for 10 secs if you aren't incinerate immune), sp2 (massive block penetration and requires perfect timing to fully dex, if you get clipped by the last bit you get incinerated and lose a **** ton of health).
Idk tho my r1 unawakened SS did a 51k crit sp2 no class advantage no recoils with the potential to go much higher, saying she wont reach anywhere near bishop if she was r3 with recoils is just wrong
Yes a lack of utility you can name as many different abilities as you want it’s not about quantity it’s about quality not that he has either
I wasn't basing her off her defensive ability Where did you get that impression? I literally have chi in beyond god tier because he’s a god on attack
Also i said bishop isn’t a good defender To Me and that’s one of the reasons i put him where i put him on my personal list
once you learn to dex his sp2 he has nothing else you don't need perfect timing it’s not hard To avoid his sp1 just block or do a 4 hit combo and dash back early or just use your own special attack to push him to an sp2
First special no ramp up? Doubt it.
He counters purify completely and he can deal with dot debuffs, he has decent enough utility. What does SS have? Armor break slow and nullify? Top tier utility right there lmao
I didn't, you said Bishop isn't that good on defense, I said SS is virtually useless on defense which she is, straight up.
You do need perfect timing, the beam has three hits if you time it wrong even for a split second you will end up getting clipped. At this point, not only do I think you've never played with these champs, you haven't even played against them lol you probably watch videos on YouTube and that's it.
Nope not the first special but it doesn't matter cause she gains power so fast you can throw an sp1 then immediately throw an sp1
Armor break slow nullify power control and sustainability a-lot better than what bishop has which is nothing. I said bishop isn't a good defender because people think of him as a defender or even a dual threat.
Perfect timing would be a frame perfect which it is no where close to being you have quite a bit of leeway when dexing it if you’re not panicking his sp2 has pretty obvious visual q’s so if you need to just look at his hand if you need to Even his sp1 is looks harder than it is
Also you dont need to slip in insults at the end of everything you type
Bishop has nothing??
He can shrug off bleeds, has high enough energy resistance to reduce and then heal from energy DOT like incinerate, shock and coldsnap (he's effectively got quadruple immunities!) not to mention he deals damage back for energy damage done to him which is really nice. He has regeneration buffs and prowess effects which both come in handy not to mention the fact that he punishes champs for shrugging off debuffs and deals energy damage to them, as well as passively stuns them for increased duration. He also deals nice incinerate damage via the SP1 and SP2 and has unblockable special attacks when duped which is also nice.
Bishop is stuffed to the max with utility.
No no, slow and armor break are top utility my guy, definitely better quality than quadruple immunity and everything else you just named lmao I don't think I've ever laughed this hard ngl.
He doesn’t have quadruple immunity the upsell is crazy, everything else bro named was just straight waffle
You're right, it's even better than just immunity. He has huge energy resistance so he heals from shock incinerate and coldsnap rather than taking damage isn't that great? As for the bleeds, sure he's not immune but he can shrug off instantly before they deal any damage. Anything else?
You’re right he can heal from it… but he can also take damage from it… he’s not 100% resistant it can still kill him
I've taken path 9 in AW with him countless times, never taken any meaningful damage from shock or incinerate. Even with 6 or 7 shocks or incinerates on you, you still take hardly any damage (and as a plus, your opponent's health bar melts because of power overload)
Why are you lying even with 3 shocks on him he’s taking considerable damage it’s not a ton but i can clearly notice his health bar going down if he had 6-7 shocks on him i would imagine that wouldn't look very good and dont think losing health in aw is very practical
My parents once told me "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all", but I never listened so here I am.
Are you out of your mind? Some of the responses you've made in here defending why you put champs above other champs are just outright wrong. @Samanun
SS a top 4 mystic in the overall game? Nick not a good attacker? Corvus being god tier? The list goes on ...
The fact that he actually put Sorcerer Supreme above Bishop and Silk is just... I don't even know what to say I'm speechless.
You got to understand this isn't bg’s tierlist though Sorcerer is a way more solid champ that both of them having both utility dmg and consistency which bishop and silk lack that’s why they get knocked down a tier
Sorcerer Supreme does not have more damage or consistency lol. 7* Silk can deal over 600k damage in a single sp3 rotation, and 7* Bishop's sp2 usually takes over 200k between actual hits and the incinerate at the end of the special. If you genuinely believe Sorcerer Supreme has more damage and is more consistent than them I don't know what to tell you other than you need to play the game more cause it doesn't sound like you know that much.
I didn't say she had more damage you can go back and read i never said that im saying her kit is more well rounded and not just a million points in 1 attribute her overall kit is much better
And yes she is more consistent than both of them and it’s not even close silk relies on a.i rng and bishop relies on crit rng while also having a terrible crit rate
Silk relies on AI? What for? You get to sp3 and they're dead where's the AI reliance there? As for Bishop, he doesn't need higher crit rate cause a single crit can deal about 100k in damage without the incinerate. If he had higher crit rate he would be way too strong to be a 7* this early. Again, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
I mean yeah i guess if you’re going for the sp3 rotation then yeah no a.i reliance there but then you’re just kind of getting rid of all her value in doing so her main thing is being able to finish fights quickly if she cant even do that and has no utility then might as well use titania
1 hit of bishop’s sp2 doing 100k? What’s the context for this a 7* rank 3 with recoil most likely i’ve seen a r3 with class advantage do much less. And again you’re not listening to everything im saying reliance on crit rng lack of utility and he’s not that good of a defender that’s why he is where he is.
You don't need AI reliance for sp2 either dude what are you talking about? What AI reliance do you need for sp2? 🤣
Three L takes in a single paragraph so I'm gonna have to number these: 1. Yeah recoils class advantage r3 7*, if you used SS in a similar scenario at the same rank she would never even get close to dealing that much in a single hit. 2. Lack of utility? One of the best purify counters, massive energy resistance so he can take hazard shift shock or incinerate lanes in AW or story content with zero issues and he can also purify bleeds by holding block. He has utility, not a ton but it's there. 3. Not that good of a defender? My guy, you literally have Sorcerer Supreme in God tier, she's a worse defender than Sunspot... What is going on is this argument real or am I arguing with an NPC? 💀 Anyways back to his actual defensive abilities: steady release after sp1 (you literally can't hit him for 10 secs if you aren't incinerate immune), sp2 (massive block penetration and requires perfect timing to fully dex, if you get clipped by the last bit you get incinerated and lose a **** ton of health).
Idk tho my r1 unawakened SS did a 51k crit sp2 no class advantage no recoils with the potential to go much higher, saying she wont reach anywhere near bishop if she was r3 with recoils is just wrong
Yes a lack of utility you can name as many different abilities as you want it’s not about quantity it’s about quality not that he has either
I wasn't basing her off her defensive ability Where did you get that impression? I literally have chi in beyond god tier because he’s a god on attack
Also i said bishop isn’t a good defender To Me and that’s one of the reasons i put him where i put him on my personal list
once you learn to dex his sp2 he has nothing else you don't need perfect timing it’s not hard To avoid his sp1 just block or do a 4 hit combo and dash back early or just use your own special attack to push him to an sp2
First special no ramp up? Doubt it.
He counters purify completely and he can deal with dot debuffs, he has decent enough utility. What does SS have? Armor break slow and nullify? Top tier utility right there lmao
I didn't, you said Bishop isn't that good on defense, I said SS is virtually useless on defense which she is, straight up.
You do need perfect timing, the beam has three hits if you time it wrong even for a split second you will end up getting clipped. At this point, not only do I think you've never played with these champs, you haven't even played against them lol you probably watch videos on YouTube and that's it.
Nope not the first special but it doesn't matter cause she gains power so fast you can throw an sp1 then immediately throw an sp1
Armor break slow nullify power control and sustainability a-lot better than what bishop has which is nothing. I said bishop isn't a good defender because people think of him as a defender or even a dual threat.
Perfect timing would be a frame perfect which it is no where close to being you have quite a bit of leeway when dexing it if you’re not panicking his sp2 has pretty obvious visual q’s so if you need to just look at his hand if you need to Even his sp1 is looks harder than it is
Also you dont need to slip in insults at the end of everything you type
Bishop has nothing??
He can shrug off bleeds, has high enough energy resistance to reduce and then heal from energy DOT like incinerate, shock and coldsnap (he's effectively got quadruple immunities!) not to mention he deals damage back for energy damage done to him which is really nice. He has regeneration buffs and prowess effects which both come in handy not to mention the fact that he punishes champs for shrugging off debuffs and deals energy damage to them, as well as passively stuns them for increased duration. He also deals nice incinerate damage via the SP1 and SP2 and has unblockable special attacks when duped which is also nice.
Bishop is stuffed to the max with utility.
No no, slow and armor break are top utility my guy, definitely better quality than quadruple immunity and everything else you just named lmao I don't think I've ever laughed this hard ngl.
Can we also just appreciate how much OP seems to value armour break, then goes and puts Thor in the worst tier with groot as @SaltE_Wenis69 said
Slow, power control, sustainability
And yes thor goes in the worst tier he has no utility dmg isnt everything
brodie does not know how to work around unstoppable, bait specials, or stay alive😠This seems like a big skill issue to me
No! You need slow for unstoppable. And don't you know baiting specials requires AI cooperation? Therefore you need power control, massive utility.
Wooooow and then down playing power control desperately trying to make up anything because you can’t accept the facts as if doom isn’t widely considered top 10 in the game because of power control
cope.
Accept what? That Sorcerer Supreme is better than Bishop? Well, we have four pages full of people disagreeing on this same thread lol have you considered that maybe you're wrong?
Out of sorcerer supreme and bishop which champ do you think people like more
If you really REALLY want to embarrass yourself like that, go ahead and make a poll.
My point was that of course everyone’s gonna disagree when that’s who most people like more and whether or not someone likes a champ has nothing to do with how good a champ is
Bishop IS better because he is not because people like him more, you can ask DLL KT1 Beroman Nagase Karatemike Lagacy Andrew Pepe or any top player and they'll all tell you Bishop is better because he factually is lol. If you like SS more just say that, the only reason you're getting hate is because you're saying she's better which she is not.
Actually i said she has a better overall kit as a champion as a whole she is better she’s not lopsided in any way she has really good utility which bishop lacks
Also no way stryfe deserves to be that high. So many champs that u ranked lower are better than him like bishop, hood, hype, overseer, silk, etc. He is an easy defender and rubbish on BGs offence. He is barely used in war/questing as it's extremely impractical to ramp him in most cases compared with using other champs. He also falls short in necro where aegon kate shuri etc all outclass him.
My parents once told me "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all", but I never listened so here I am.
Are you out of your mind? Some of the responses you've made in here defending why you put champs above other champs are just outright wrong. @Samanun
SS a top 4 mystic in the overall game? Nick not a good attacker? Corvus being god tier? The list goes on ...
The fact that he actually put Sorcerer Supreme above Bishop and Silk is just... I don't even know what to say I'm speechless.
You got to understand this isn't bg’s tierlist though Sorcerer is a way more solid champ that both of them having both utility dmg and consistency which bishop and silk lack that’s why they get knocked down a tier
Sorcerer Supreme does not have more damage or consistency lol. 7* Silk can deal over 600k damage in a single sp3 rotation, and 7* Bishop's sp2 usually takes over 200k between actual hits and the incinerate at the end of the special. If you genuinely believe Sorcerer Supreme has more damage and is more consistent than them I don't know what to tell you other than you need to play the game more cause it doesn't sound like you know that much.
I didn't say she had more damage you can go back and read i never said that im saying her kit is more well rounded and not just a million points in 1 attribute her overall kit is much better
And yes she is more consistent than both of them and it’s not even close silk relies on a.i rng and bishop relies on crit rng while also having a terrible crit rate
Silk relies on AI? What for? You get to sp3 and they're dead where's the AI reliance there? As for Bishop, he doesn't need higher crit rate cause a single crit can deal about 100k in damage without the incinerate. If he had higher crit rate he would be way too strong to be a 7* this early. Again, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
I mean yeah i guess if you’re going for the sp3 rotation then yeah no a.i reliance there but then you’re just kind of getting rid of all her value in doing so her main thing is being able to finish fights quickly if she cant even do that and has no utility then might as well use titania
1 hit of bishop’s sp2 doing 100k? What’s the context for this a 7* rank 3 with recoil most likely i’ve seen a r3 with class advantage do much less. And again you’re not listening to everything im saying reliance on crit rng lack of utility and he’s not that good of a defender that’s why he is where he is.
You don't need AI reliance for sp2 either dude what are you talking about? What AI reliance do you need for sp2? 🤣
Three L takes in a single paragraph so I'm gonna have to number these: 1. Yeah recoils class advantage r3 7*, if you used SS in a similar scenario at the same rank she would never even get close to dealing that much in a single hit. 2. Lack of utility? One of the best purify counters, massive energy resistance so he can take hazard shift shock or incinerate lanes in AW or story content with zero issues and he can also purify bleeds by holding block. He has utility, not a ton but it's there. 3. Not that good of a defender? My guy, you literally have Sorcerer Supreme in God tier, she's a worse defender than Sunspot... What is going on is this argument real or am I arguing with an NPC? 💀 Anyways back to his actual defensive abilities: steady release after sp1 (you literally can't hit him for 10 secs if you aren't incinerate immune), sp2 (massive block penetration and requires perfect timing to fully dex, if you get clipped by the last bit you get incinerated and lose a **** ton of health).
Idk tho my r1 unawakened SS did a 51k crit sp2 no class advantage no recoils with the potential to go much higher, saying she wont reach anywhere near bishop if she was r3 with recoils is just wrong
Yes a lack of utility you can name as many different abilities as you want it’s not about quantity it’s about quality not that he has either
I wasn't basing her off her defensive ability Where did you get that impression? I literally have chi in beyond god tier because he’s a god on attack
Also i said bishop isn’t a good defender To Me and that’s one of the reasons i put him where i put him on my personal list
once you learn to dex his sp2 he has nothing else you don't need perfect timing it’s not hard To avoid his sp1 just block or do a 4 hit combo and dash back early or just use your own special attack to push him to an sp2
First special no ramp up? Doubt it.
He counters purify completely and he can deal with dot debuffs, he has decent enough utility. What does SS have? Armor break slow and nullify? Top tier utility right there lmao
I didn't, you said Bishop isn't that good on defense, I said SS is virtually useless on defense which she is, straight up.
You do need perfect timing, the beam has three hits if you time it wrong even for a split second you will end up getting clipped. At this point, not only do I think you've never played with these champs, you haven't even played against them lol you probably watch videos on YouTube and that's it.
Nope not the first special but it doesn't matter cause she gains power so fast you can throw an sp1 then immediately throw an sp1
Armor break slow nullify power control and sustainability a-lot better than what bishop has which is nothing. I said bishop isn't a good defender because people think of him as a defender or even a dual threat.
Perfect timing would be a frame perfect which it is no where close to being you have quite a bit of leeway when dexing it if you’re not panicking his sp2 has pretty obvious visual q’s so if you need to just look at his hand if you need to Even his sp1 is looks harder than it is
Also you dont need to slip in insults at the end of everything you type
Bishop has nothing??
He can shrug off bleeds, has high enough energy resistance to reduce and then heal from energy DOT like incinerate, shock and coldsnap (he's effectively got quadruple immunities!) not to mention he deals damage back for energy damage done to him which is really nice. He has regeneration buffs and prowess effects which both come in handy not to mention the fact that he punishes champs for shrugging off debuffs and deals energy damage to them, as well as passively stuns them for increased duration. He also deals nice incinerate damage via the SP1 and SP2 and has unblockable special attacks when duped which is also nice.
Bishop is stuffed to the max with utility.
No no, slow and armor break are top utility my guy, definitely better quality than quadruple immunity and everything else you just named lmao I don't think I've ever laughed this hard ngl.
Can we also just appreciate how much OP seems to value armour break, then goes and puts Thor in the worst tier with groot as @SaltE_Wenis69 said
Slow, power control, sustainability
And yes thor goes in the worst tier he has no utility dmg isnt everything
brodie does not know how to work around unstoppable, bait specials, or stay alive😠This seems like a big skill issue to me
No! You need slow for unstoppable. And don't you know baiting specials requires AI cooperation? Therefore you need power control, massive utility.
Wooooow and then down playing power control desperately trying to make up anything because you can’t accept the facts as if doom isn’t widely considered top 10 in the game because of power control
cope.
Accept what? That Sorcerer Supreme is better than Bishop? Well, we have four pages full of people disagreeing on this same thread lol have you considered that maybe you're wrong?
Out of sorcerer supreme and bishop which champ do you think people like more
If you really REALLY want to embarrass yourself like that, go ahead and make a poll.
My point was that of course everyone’s gonna disagree when that’s who most people like more and whether or not someone likes a champ has nothing to do with how good a champ is
Bishop IS better because he is not because people like him more, you can ask DLL KT1 Beroman Nagase Karatemike Lagacy Andrew Pepe or any top player and they'll all tell you Bishop is better because he factually is lol. If you like SS more just say that, the only reason you're getting hate is because you're saying she's better which she is not.
Actually i said she has a better overall kit as a champion as a whole she is better she’s not lopsided in any way she has really good utility which bishop lacks
You can say that you like sorcerer supreme and enjoy using her more, but saying that bishop lacks utility is just not true at all. And you would know that if you actually tested him for about 5 minutes or watched videos of him destroying BGs and war.
My parents once told me "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all", but I never listened so here I am.
Are you out of your mind? Some of the responses you've made in here defending why you put champs above other champs are just outright wrong. @Samanun
SS a top 4 mystic in the overall game? Nick not a good attacker? Corvus being god tier? The list goes on ...
The fact that he actually put Sorcerer Supreme above Bishop and Silk is just... I don't even know what to say I'm speechless.
You got to understand this isn't bg’s tierlist though Sorcerer is a way more solid champ that both of them having both utility dmg and consistency which bishop and silk lack that’s why they get knocked down a tier
Sorcerer Supreme does not have more damage or consistency lol. 7* Silk can deal over 600k damage in a single sp3 rotation, and 7* Bishop's sp2 usually takes over 200k between actual hits and the incinerate at the end of the special. If you genuinely believe Sorcerer Supreme has more damage and is more consistent than them I don't know what to tell you other than you need to play the game more cause it doesn't sound like you know that much.
I didn't say she had more damage you can go back and read i never said that im saying her kit is more well rounded and not just a million points in 1 attribute her overall kit is much better
And yes she is more consistent than both of them and it’s not even close silk relies on a.i rng and bishop relies on crit rng while also having a terrible crit rate
Silk relies on AI? What for? You get to sp3 and they're dead where's the AI reliance there? As for Bishop, he doesn't need higher crit rate cause a single crit can deal about 100k in damage without the incinerate. If he had higher crit rate he would be way too strong to be a 7* this early. Again, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
I mean yeah i guess if you’re going for the sp3 rotation then yeah no a.i reliance there but then you’re just kind of getting rid of all her value in doing so her main thing is being able to finish fights quickly if she cant even do that and has no utility then might as well use titania
1 hit of bishop’s sp2 doing 100k? What’s the context for this a 7* rank 3 with recoil most likely i’ve seen a r3 with class advantage do much less. And again you’re not listening to everything im saying reliance on crit rng lack of utility and he’s not that good of a defender that’s why he is where he is.
You don't need AI reliance for sp2 either dude what are you talking about? What AI reliance do you need for sp2? 🤣
Three L takes in a single paragraph so I'm gonna have to number these: 1. Yeah recoils class advantage r3 7*, if you used SS in a similar scenario at the same rank she would never even get close to dealing that much in a single hit. 2. Lack of utility? One of the best purify counters, massive energy resistance so he can take hazard shift shock or incinerate lanes in AW or story content with zero issues and he can also purify bleeds by holding block. He has utility, not a ton but it's there. 3. Not that good of a defender? My guy, you literally have Sorcerer Supreme in God tier, she's a worse defender than Sunspot... What is going on is this argument real or am I arguing with an NPC? 💀 Anyways back to his actual defensive abilities: steady release after sp1 (you literally can't hit him for 10 secs if you aren't incinerate immune), sp2 (massive block penetration and requires perfect timing to fully dex, if you get clipped by the last bit you get incinerated and lose a **** ton of health).
Idk tho my r1 unawakened SS did a 51k crit sp2 no class advantage no recoils with the potential to go much higher, saying she wont reach anywhere near bishop if she was r3 with recoils is just wrong
Yes a lack of utility you can name as many different abilities as you want it’s not about quantity it’s about quality not that he has either
I wasn't basing her off her defensive ability Where did you get that impression? I literally have chi in beyond god tier because he’s a god on attack
Also i said bishop isn’t a good defender To Me and that’s one of the reasons i put him where i put him on my personal list
once you learn to dex his sp2 he has nothing else you don't need perfect timing it’s not hard To avoid his sp1 just block or do a 4 hit combo and dash back early or just use your own special attack to push him to an sp2
First special no ramp up? Doubt it.
He counters purify completely and he can deal with dot debuffs, he has decent enough utility. What does SS have? Armor break slow and nullify? Top tier utility right there lmao
I didn't, you said Bishop isn't that good on defense, I said SS is virtually useless on defense which she is, straight up.
You do need perfect timing, the beam has three hits if you time it wrong even for a split second you will end up getting clipped. At this point, not only do I think you've never played with these champs, you haven't even played against them lol you probably watch videos on YouTube and that's it.
Nope not the first special but it doesn't matter cause she gains power so fast you can throw an sp1 then immediately throw an sp1
Armor break slow nullify power control and sustainability a-lot better than what bishop has which is nothing. I said bishop isn't a good defender because people think of him as a defender or even a dual threat.
Perfect timing would be a frame perfect which it is no where close to being you have quite a bit of leeway when dexing it if you’re not panicking his sp2 has pretty obvious visual q’s so if you need to just look at his hand if you need to Even his sp1 is looks harder than it is
Also you dont need to slip in insults at the end of everything you type
Bishop has nothing??
He can shrug off bleeds, has high enough energy resistance to reduce and then heal from energy DOT like incinerate, shock and coldsnap (he's effectively got quadruple immunities!) not to mention he deals damage back for energy damage done to him which is really nice. He has regeneration buffs and prowess effects which both come in handy not to mention the fact that he punishes champs for shrugging off debuffs and deals energy damage to them, as well as passively stuns them for increased duration. He also deals nice incinerate damage via the SP1 and SP2 and has unblockable special attacks when duped which is also nice.
Bishop is stuffed to the max with utility.
No no, slow and armor break are top utility my guy, definitely better quality than quadruple immunity and everything else you just named lmao I don't think I've ever laughed this hard ngl.
Can we also just appreciate how much OP seems to value armour break, then goes and puts Thor in the worst tier with groot as @SaltE_Wenis69 said
Slow, power control, sustainability
And yes thor goes in the worst tier he has no utility dmg isnt everything
brodie does not know how to work around unstoppable, bait specials, or stay alive😠This seems like a big skill issue to me
No! You need slow for unstoppable. And don't you know baiting specials requires AI cooperation? Therefore you need power control, massive utility.
Wooooow and then down playing power control desperately trying to make up anything because you can’t accept the facts as if doom isn’t widely considered top 10 in the game because of power control
cope.
Accept what? That Sorcerer Supreme is better than Bishop? Well, we have four pages full of people disagreeing on this same thread lol have you considered that maybe you're wrong?
Out of sorcerer supreme and bishop which champ do you think people like more
If you really REALLY want to embarrass yourself like that, go ahead and make a poll.
My point was that of course everyone’s gonna disagree when that’s who most people like more and whether or not someone likes a champ has nothing to do with how good a champ is
Bishop IS better because he is not because people like him more, you can ask DLL KT1 Beroman Nagase Karatemike Lagacy Andrew Pepe or any top player and they'll all tell you Bishop is better because he factually is lol. If you like SS more just say that, the only reason you're getting hate is because you're saying she's better which she is not.
Actually i said she has a better overall kit as a champion as a whole she is better she’s not lopsided in any way she has really good utility which bishop lacks
You can say that you like sorcerer supreme and enjoy using her more, but saying that bishop lacks utility is just not true at all. And you would know that if you actually tested him for about 5 minutes or watched videos of him destroying BGs and war.
How ironic
This list has nothing to do about who i like more cause if you ask me i don't care about any of them i don't have any type of attachment to any of these characters they’re just characters in a video game
My parents once told me "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all", but I never listened so here I am.
Are you out of your mind? Some of the responses you've made in here defending why you put champs above other champs are just outright wrong. @Samanun
SS a top 4 mystic in the overall game? Nick not a good attacker? Corvus being god tier? The list goes on ...
The fact that he actually put Sorcerer Supreme above Bishop and Silk is just... I don't even know what to say I'm speechless.
You got to understand this isn't bg’s tierlist though Sorcerer is a way more solid champ that both of them having both utility dmg and consistency which bishop and silk lack that’s why they get knocked down a tier
Sorcerer Supreme does not have more damage or consistency lol. 7* Silk can deal over 600k damage in a single sp3 rotation, and 7* Bishop's sp2 usually takes over 200k between actual hits and the incinerate at the end of the special. If you genuinely believe Sorcerer Supreme has more damage and is more consistent than them I don't know what to tell you other than you need to play the game more cause it doesn't sound like you know that much.
I didn't say she had more damage you can go back and read i never said that im saying her kit is more well rounded and not just a million points in 1 attribute her overall kit is much better
And yes she is more consistent than both of them and it’s not even close silk relies on a.i rng and bishop relies on crit rng while also having a terrible crit rate
Silk relies on AI? What for? You get to sp3 and they're dead where's the AI reliance there? As for Bishop, he doesn't need higher crit rate cause a single crit can deal about 100k in damage without the incinerate. If he had higher crit rate he would be way too strong to be a 7* this early. Again, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
I mean yeah i guess if you’re going for the sp3 rotation then yeah no a.i reliance there but then you’re just kind of getting rid of all her value in doing so her main thing is being able to finish fights quickly if she cant even do that and has no utility then might as well use titania
1 hit of bishop’s sp2 doing 100k? What’s the context for this a 7* rank 3 with recoil most likely i’ve seen a r3 with class advantage do much less. And again you’re not listening to everything im saying reliance on crit rng lack of utility and he’s not that good of a defender that’s why he is where he is.
You don't need AI reliance for sp2 either dude what are you talking about? What AI reliance do you need for sp2? 🤣
Three L takes in a single paragraph so I'm gonna have to number these: 1. Yeah recoils class advantage r3 7*, if you used SS in a similar scenario at the same rank she would never even get close to dealing that much in a single hit. 2. Lack of utility? One of the best purify counters, massive energy resistance so he can take hazard shift shock or incinerate lanes in AW or story content with zero issues and he can also purify bleeds by holding block. He has utility, not a ton but it's there. 3. Not that good of a defender? My guy, you literally have Sorcerer Supreme in God tier, she's a worse defender than Sunspot... What is going on is this argument real or am I arguing with an NPC? 💀 Anyways back to his actual defensive abilities: steady release after sp1 (you literally can't hit him for 10 secs if you aren't incinerate immune), sp2 (massive block penetration and requires perfect timing to fully dex, if you get clipped by the last bit you get incinerated and lose a **** ton of health).
Idk tho my r1 unawakened SS did a 51k crit sp2 no class advantage no recoils with the potential to go much higher, saying she wont reach anywhere near bishop if she was r3 with recoils is just wrong
Yes a lack of utility you can name as many different abilities as you want it’s not about quantity it’s about quality not that he has either
I wasn't basing her off her defensive ability Where did you get that impression? I literally have chi in beyond god tier because he’s a god on attack
Also i said bishop isn’t a good defender To Me and that’s one of the reasons i put him where i put him on my personal list
once you learn to dex his sp2 he has nothing else you don't need perfect timing it’s not hard To avoid his sp1 just block or do a 4 hit combo and dash back early or just use your own special attack to push him to an sp2
First special no ramp up? Doubt it.
He counters purify completely and he can deal with dot debuffs, he has decent enough utility. What does SS have? Armor break slow and nullify? Top tier utility right there lmao
I didn't, you said Bishop isn't that good on defense, I said SS is virtually useless on defense which she is, straight up.
You do need perfect timing, the beam has three hits if you time it wrong even for a split second you will end up getting clipped. At this point, not only do I think you've never played with these champs, you haven't even played against them lol you probably watch videos on YouTube and that's it.
Nope not the first special but it doesn't matter cause she gains power so fast you can throw an sp1 then immediately throw an sp1
Armor break slow nullify power control and sustainability a-lot better than what bishop has which is nothing. I said bishop isn't a good defender because people think of him as a defender or even a dual threat.
Perfect timing would be a frame perfect which it is no where close to being you have quite a bit of leeway when dexing it if you’re not panicking his sp2 has pretty obvious visual q’s so if you need to just look at his hand if you need to Even his sp1 is looks harder than it is
Also you dont need to slip in insults at the end of everything you type
Bishop has nothing??
He can shrug off bleeds, has high enough energy resistance to reduce and then heal from energy DOT like incinerate, shock and coldsnap (he's effectively got quadruple immunities!) not to mention he deals damage back for energy damage done to him which is really nice. He has regeneration buffs and prowess effects which both come in handy not to mention the fact that he punishes champs for shrugging off debuffs and deals energy damage to them, as well as passively stuns them for increased duration. He also deals nice incinerate damage via the SP1 and SP2 and has unblockable special attacks when duped which is also nice.
Bishop is stuffed to the max with utility.
No no, slow and armor break are top utility my guy, definitely better quality than quadruple immunity and everything else you just named lmao I don't think I've ever laughed this hard ngl.
He doesn’t have quadruple immunity the upsell is crazy, everything else bro named was just straight waffle
You're right, it's even better than just immunity. He has huge energy resistance so he heals from shock incinerate and coldsnap rather than taking damage isn't that great? As for the bleeds, sure he's not immune but he can shrug off instantly before they deal any damage. Anything else?
You’re right he can heal from it… but he can also take damage from it… he’s not 100% resistant it can still kill him
I've taken path 9 in AW with him countless times, never taken any meaningful damage from shock or incinerate. Even with 6 or 7 shocks or incinerates on you, you still take hardly any damage (and as a plus, your opponent's health bar melts because of power overload)
Why are you lying even with 3 shocks on him he’s taking considerable damage it’s not a ton but i can clearly notice his health bar going down if he had 6-7 shocks on him i would imagine that wouldn't look very good and dont think losing health in aw is very practical
How would you know if I'm lying or not if you don't have a r3 7* Bishop yourself so you can test it out? Lmao I'm not, he doesn't take that much damage even with 6, might be cause he's 7* r3 but that's how it is for me nonetheless.
My parents once told me "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all", but I never listened so here I am.
Are you out of your mind? Some of the responses you've made in here defending why you put champs above other champs are just outright wrong. @Samanun
SS a top 4 mystic in the overall game? Nick not a good attacker? Corvus being god tier? The list goes on ...
The fact that he actually put Sorcerer Supreme above Bishop and Silk is just... I don't even know what to say I'm speechless.
You got to understand this isn't bg’s tierlist though Sorcerer is a way more solid champ that both of them having both utility dmg and consistency which bishop and silk lack that’s why they get knocked down a tier
Sorcerer Supreme does not have more damage or consistency lol. 7* Silk can deal over 600k damage in a single sp3 rotation, and 7* Bishop's sp2 usually takes over 200k between actual hits and the incinerate at the end of the special. If you genuinely believe Sorcerer Supreme has more damage and is more consistent than them I don't know what to tell you other than you need to play the game more cause it doesn't sound like you know that much.
I didn't say she had more damage you can go back and read i never said that im saying her kit is more well rounded and not just a million points in 1 attribute her overall kit is much better
And yes she is more consistent than both of them and it’s not even close silk relies on a.i rng and bishop relies on crit rng while also having a terrible crit rate
Silk relies on AI? What for? You get to sp3 and they're dead where's the AI reliance there? As for Bishop, he doesn't need higher crit rate cause a single crit can deal about 100k in damage without the incinerate. If he had higher crit rate he would be way too strong to be a 7* this early. Again, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
I mean yeah i guess if you’re going for the sp3 rotation then yeah no a.i reliance there but then you’re just kind of getting rid of all her value in doing so her main thing is being able to finish fights quickly if she cant even do that and has no utility then might as well use titania
1 hit of bishop’s sp2 doing 100k? What’s the context for this a 7* rank 3 with recoil most likely i’ve seen a r3 with class advantage do much less. And again you’re not listening to everything im saying reliance on crit rng lack of utility and he’s not that good of a defender that’s why he is where he is.
You don't need AI reliance for sp2 either dude what are you talking about? What AI reliance do you need for sp2? 🤣
Three L takes in a single paragraph so I'm gonna have to number these: 1. Yeah recoils class advantage r3 7*, if you used SS in a similar scenario at the same rank she would never even get close to dealing that much in a single hit. 2. Lack of utility? One of the best purify counters, massive energy resistance so he can take hazard shift shock or incinerate lanes in AW or story content with zero issues and he can also purify bleeds by holding block. He has utility, not a ton but it's there. 3. Not that good of a defender? My guy, you literally have Sorcerer Supreme in God tier, she's a worse defender than Sunspot... What is going on is this argument real or am I arguing with an NPC? 💀 Anyways back to his actual defensive abilities: steady release after sp1 (you literally can't hit him for 10 secs if you aren't incinerate immune), sp2 (massive block penetration and requires perfect timing to fully dex, if you get clipped by the last bit you get incinerated and lose a **** ton of health).
Idk tho my r1 unawakened SS did a 51k crit sp2 no class advantage no recoils with the potential to go much higher, saying she wont reach anywhere near bishop if she was r3 with recoils is just wrong
Yes a lack of utility you can name as many different abilities as you want it’s not about quantity it’s about quality not that he has either
I wasn't basing her off her defensive ability Where did you get that impression? I literally have chi in beyond god tier because he’s a god on attack
Also i said bishop isn’t a good defender To Me and that’s one of the reasons i put him where i put him on my personal list
once you learn to dex his sp2 he has nothing else you don't need perfect timing it’s not hard To avoid his sp1 just block or do a 4 hit combo and dash back early or just use your own special attack to push him to an sp2
First special no ramp up? Doubt it.
He counters purify completely and he can deal with dot debuffs, he has decent enough utility. What does SS have? Armor break slow and nullify? Top tier utility right there lmao
I didn't, you said Bishop isn't that good on defense, I said SS is virtually useless on defense which she is, straight up.
You do need perfect timing, the beam has three hits if you time it wrong even for a split second you will end up getting clipped. At this point, not only do I think you've never played with these champs, you haven't even played against them lol you probably watch videos on YouTube and that's it.
Nope not the first special but it doesn't matter cause she gains power so fast you can throw an sp1 then immediately throw an sp1
Armor break slow nullify power control and sustainability a-lot better than what bishop has which is nothing. I said bishop isn't a good defender because people think of him as a defender or even a dual threat.
Perfect timing would be a frame perfect which it is no where close to being you have quite a bit of leeway when dexing it if you’re not panicking his sp2 has pretty obvious visual q’s so if you need to just look at his hand if you need to Even his sp1 is looks harder than it is
Also you dont need to slip in insults at the end of everything you type
Bishop has nothing??
He can shrug off bleeds, has high enough energy resistance to reduce and then heal from energy DOT like incinerate, shock and coldsnap (he's effectively got quadruple immunities!) not to mention he deals damage back for energy damage done to him which is really nice. He has regeneration buffs and prowess effects which both come in handy not to mention the fact that he punishes champs for shrugging off debuffs and deals energy damage to them, as well as passively stuns them for increased duration. He also deals nice incinerate damage via the SP1 and SP2 and has unblockable special attacks when duped which is also nice.
Bishop is stuffed to the max with utility.
No no, slow and armor break are top utility my guy, definitely better quality than quadruple immunity and everything else you just named lmao I don't think I've ever laughed this hard ngl.
He doesn’t have quadruple immunity the upsell is crazy, everything else bro named was just straight waffle
You're right, it's even better than just immunity. He has huge energy resistance so he heals from shock incinerate and coldsnap rather than taking damage isn't that great? As for the bleeds, sure he's not immune but he can shrug off instantly before they deal any damage. Anything else?
You’re right he can heal from it… but he can also take damage from it… he’s not 100% resistant it can still kill him
I've taken path 9 in AW with him countless times, never taken any meaningful damage from shock or incinerate. Even with 6 or 7 shocks or incinerates on you, you still take hardly any damage (and as a plus, your opponent's health bar melts because of power overload)
Why are you lying even with 3 shocks on him he’s taking considerable damage it’s not a ton but i can clearly notice his health bar going down if he had 6-7 shocks on him i would imagine that wouldn't look very good and dont think losing health in aw is very practical
How would you know if I'm lying or not if you don't have a r3 7* Bishop yourself so you can test it out? Lmao I'm not, he doesn't take that much damage even with 6, might be cause he's 7* r3 but that's how it is for me nonetheless.
I don’t have 7* r3 bishop doesn’t = i don't have bishop
My parents once told me "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all", but I never listened so here I am.
Are you out of your mind? Some of the responses you've made in here defending why you put champs above other champs are just outright wrong. @Samanun
SS a top 4 mystic in the overall game? Nick not a good attacker? Corvus being god tier? The list goes on ...
The fact that he actually put Sorcerer Supreme above Bishop and Silk is just... I don't even know what to say I'm speechless.
You got to understand this isn't bg’s tierlist though Sorcerer is a way more solid champ that both of them having both utility dmg and consistency which bishop and silk lack that’s why they get knocked down a tier
Sorcerer Supreme does not have more damage or consistency lol. 7* Silk can deal over 600k damage in a single sp3 rotation, and 7* Bishop's sp2 usually takes over 200k between actual hits and the incinerate at the end of the special. If you genuinely believe Sorcerer Supreme has more damage and is more consistent than them I don't know what to tell you other than you need to play the game more cause it doesn't sound like you know that much.
I didn't say she had more damage you can go back and read i never said that im saying her kit is more well rounded and not just a million points in 1 attribute her overall kit is much better
And yes she is more consistent than both of them and it’s not even close silk relies on a.i rng and bishop relies on crit rng while also having a terrible crit rate
Silk relies on AI? What for? You get to sp3 and they're dead where's the AI reliance there? As for Bishop, he doesn't need higher crit rate cause a single crit can deal about 100k in damage without the incinerate. If he had higher crit rate he would be way too strong to be a 7* this early. Again, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
I mean yeah i guess if you’re going for the sp3 rotation then yeah no a.i reliance there but then you’re just kind of getting rid of all her value in doing so her main thing is being able to finish fights quickly if she cant even do that and has no utility then might as well use titania
1 hit of bishop’s sp2 doing 100k? What’s the context for this a 7* rank 3 with recoil most likely i’ve seen a r3 with class advantage do much less. And again you’re not listening to everything im saying reliance on crit rng lack of utility and he’s not that good of a defender that’s why he is where he is.
You don't need AI reliance for sp2 either dude what are you talking about? What AI reliance do you need for sp2? 🤣
Three L takes in a single paragraph so I'm gonna have to number these: 1. Yeah recoils class advantage r3 7*, if you used SS in a similar scenario at the same rank she would never even get close to dealing that much in a single hit. 2. Lack of utility? One of the best purify counters, massive energy resistance so he can take hazard shift shock or incinerate lanes in AW or story content with zero issues and he can also purify bleeds by holding block. He has utility, not a ton but it's there. 3. Not that good of a defender? My guy, you literally have Sorcerer Supreme in God tier, she's a worse defender than Sunspot... What is going on is this argument real or am I arguing with an NPC? 💀 Anyways back to his actual defensive abilities: steady release after sp1 (you literally can't hit him for 10 secs if you aren't incinerate immune), sp2 (massive block penetration and requires perfect timing to fully dex, if you get clipped by the last bit you get incinerated and lose a **** ton of health).
Idk tho my r1 unawakened SS did a 51k crit sp2 no class advantage no recoils with the potential to go much higher, saying she wont reach anywhere near bishop if she was r3 with recoils is just wrong
Yes a lack of utility you can name as many different abilities as you want it’s not about quantity it’s about quality not that he has either
I wasn't basing her off her defensive ability Where did you get that impression? I literally have chi in beyond god tier because he’s a god on attack
Also i said bishop isn’t a good defender To Me and that’s one of the reasons i put him where i put him on my personal list
once you learn to dex his sp2 he has nothing else you don't need perfect timing it’s not hard To avoid his sp1 just block or do a 4 hit combo and dash back early or just use your own special attack to push him to an sp2
First special no ramp up? Doubt it.
He counters purify completely and he can deal with dot debuffs, he has decent enough utility. What does SS have? Armor break slow and nullify? Top tier utility right there lmao
I didn't, you said Bishop isn't that good on defense, I said SS is virtually useless on defense which she is, straight up.
You do need perfect timing, the beam has three hits if you time it wrong even for a split second you will end up getting clipped. At this point, not only do I think you've never played with these champs, you haven't even played against them lol you probably watch videos on YouTube and that's it.
Nope not the first special but it doesn't matter cause she gains power so fast you can throw an sp1 then immediately throw an sp1
Armor break slow nullify power control and sustainability a-lot better than what bishop has which is nothing. I said bishop isn't a good defender because people think of him as a defender or even a dual threat.
Perfect timing would be a frame perfect which it is no where close to being you have quite a bit of leeway when dexing it if you’re not panicking his sp2 has pretty obvious visual q’s so if you need to just look at his hand if you need to Even his sp1 is looks harder than it is
Also you dont need to slip in insults at the end of everything you type
Bishop has nothing??
He can shrug off bleeds, has high enough energy resistance to reduce and then heal from energy DOT like incinerate, shock and coldsnap (he's effectively got quadruple immunities!) not to mention he deals damage back for energy damage done to him which is really nice. He has regeneration buffs and prowess effects which both come in handy not to mention the fact that he punishes champs for shrugging off debuffs and deals energy damage to them, as well as passively stuns them for increased duration. He also deals nice incinerate damage via the SP1 and SP2 and has unblockable special attacks when duped which is also nice.
Bishop is stuffed to the max with utility.
No no, slow and armor break are top utility my guy, definitely better quality than quadruple immunity and everything else you just named lmao I don't think I've ever laughed this hard ngl.
Can we also just appreciate how much OP seems to value armour break, then goes and puts Thor in the worst tier with groot as @SaltE_Wenis69 said
Slow, power control, sustainability
And yes thor goes in the worst tier he has no utility dmg isnt everything
brodie does not know how to work around unstoppable, bait specials, or stay alive😠This seems like a big skill issue to me
No! You need slow for unstoppable. And don't you know baiting specials requires AI cooperation? Therefore you need power control, massive utility.
Wooooow and then down playing power control desperately trying to make up anything because you can’t accept the facts as if doom isn’t widely considered top 10 in the game because of power control
cope.
Accept what? That Sorcerer Supreme is better than Bishop? Well, we have four pages full of people disagreeing on this same thread lol have you considered that maybe you're wrong?
Out of sorcerer supreme and bishop which champ do you think people like more
If you really REALLY want to embarrass yourself like that, go ahead and make a poll.
My point was that of course everyone’s gonna disagree when that’s who most people like more and whether or not someone likes a champ has nothing to do with how good a champ is
Bishop IS better because he is not because people like him more, you can ask DLL KT1 Beroman Nagase Karatemike Lagacy Andrew Pepe or any top player and they'll all tell you Bishop is better because he factually is lol. If you like SS more just say that, the only reason you're getting hate is because you're saying she's better which she is not.
Actually i said she has a better overall kit as a champion as a whole she is better she’s not lopsided in any way she has really good utility which bishop lacks
I'm not going to keep arguing about kits or utility or anything cause it goes in one ear and right out the other even though multiple people agree lol if you think you're right then go ask any top player and they'll tell you the same things I just told you, you're delusional.
My parents once told me "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all", but I never listened so here I am.
Are you out of your mind? Some of the responses you've made in here defending why you put champs above other champs are just outright wrong. @Samanun
SS a top 4 mystic in the overall game? Nick not a good attacker? Corvus being god tier? The list goes on ...
The fact that he actually put Sorcerer Supreme above Bishop and Silk is just... I don't even know what to say I'm speechless.
You got to understand this isn't bg’s tierlist though Sorcerer is a way more solid champ that both of them having both utility dmg and consistency which bishop and silk lack that’s why they get knocked down a tier
Sorcerer Supreme does not have more damage or consistency lol. 7* Silk can deal over 600k damage in a single sp3 rotation, and 7* Bishop's sp2 usually takes over 200k between actual hits and the incinerate at the end of the special. If you genuinely believe Sorcerer Supreme has more damage and is more consistent than them I don't know what to tell you other than you need to play the game more cause it doesn't sound like you know that much.
I didn't say she had more damage you can go back and read i never said that im saying her kit is more well rounded and not just a million points in 1 attribute her overall kit is much better
And yes she is more consistent than both of them and it’s not even close silk relies on a.i rng and bishop relies on crit rng while also having a terrible crit rate
Silk relies on AI? What for? You get to sp3 and they're dead where's the AI reliance there? As for Bishop, he doesn't need higher crit rate cause a single crit can deal about 100k in damage without the incinerate. If he had higher crit rate he would be way too strong to be a 7* this early. Again, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
I mean yeah i guess if you’re going for the sp3 rotation then yeah no a.i reliance there but then you’re just kind of getting rid of all her value in doing so her main thing is being able to finish fights quickly if she cant even do that and has no utility then might as well use titania
1 hit of bishop’s sp2 doing 100k? What’s the context for this a 7* rank 3 with recoil most likely i’ve seen a r3 with class advantage do much less. And again you’re not listening to everything im saying reliance on crit rng lack of utility and he’s not that good of a defender that’s why he is where he is.
You don't need AI reliance for sp2 either dude what are you talking about? What AI reliance do you need for sp2? 🤣
Three L takes in a single paragraph so I'm gonna have to number these: 1. Yeah recoils class advantage r3 7*, if you used SS in a similar scenario at the same rank she would never even get close to dealing that much in a single hit. 2. Lack of utility? One of the best purify counters, massive energy resistance so he can take hazard shift shock or incinerate lanes in AW or story content with zero issues and he can also purify bleeds by holding block. He has utility, not a ton but it's there. 3. Not that good of a defender? My guy, you literally have Sorcerer Supreme in God tier, she's a worse defender than Sunspot... What is going on is this argument real or am I arguing with an NPC? 💀 Anyways back to his actual defensive abilities: steady release after sp1 (you literally can't hit him for 10 secs if you aren't incinerate immune), sp2 (massive block penetration and requires perfect timing to fully dex, if you get clipped by the last bit you get incinerated and lose a **** ton of health).
Idk tho my r1 unawakened SS did a 51k crit sp2 no class advantage no recoils with the potential to go much higher, saying she wont reach anywhere near bishop if she was r3 with recoils is just wrong
Yes a lack of utility you can name as many different abilities as you want it’s not about quantity it’s about quality not that he has either
I wasn't basing her off her defensive ability Where did you get that impression? I literally have chi in beyond god tier because he’s a god on attack
Also i said bishop isn’t a good defender To Me and that’s one of the reasons i put him where i put him on my personal list
once you learn to dex his sp2 he has nothing else you don't need perfect timing it’s not hard To avoid his sp1 just block or do a 4 hit combo and dash back early or just use your own special attack to push him to an sp2
First special no ramp up? Doubt it.
He counters purify completely and he can deal with dot debuffs, he has decent enough utility. What does SS have? Armor break slow and nullify? Top tier utility right there lmao
I didn't, you said Bishop isn't that good on defense, I said SS is virtually useless on defense which she is, straight up.
You do need perfect timing, the beam has three hits if you time it wrong even for a split second you will end up getting clipped. At this point, not only do I think you've never played with these champs, you haven't even played against them lol you probably watch videos on YouTube and that's it.
Nope not the first special but it doesn't matter cause she gains power so fast you can throw an sp1 then immediately throw an sp1
Armor break slow nullify power control and sustainability a-lot better than what bishop has which is nothing. I said bishop isn't a good defender because people think of him as a defender or even a dual threat.
Perfect timing would be a frame perfect which it is no where close to being you have quite a bit of leeway when dexing it if you’re not panicking his sp2 has pretty obvious visual q’s so if you need to just look at his hand if you need to Even his sp1 is looks harder than it is
Also you dont need to slip in insults at the end of everything you type
Bishop has nothing??
He can shrug off bleeds, has high enough energy resistance to reduce and then heal from energy DOT like incinerate, shock and coldsnap (he's effectively got quadruple immunities!) not to mention he deals damage back for energy damage done to him which is really nice. He has regeneration buffs and prowess effects which both come in handy not to mention the fact that he punishes champs for shrugging off debuffs and deals energy damage to them, as well as passively stuns them for increased duration. He also deals nice incinerate damage via the SP1 and SP2 and has unblockable special attacks when duped which is also nice.
Bishop is stuffed to the max with utility.
No no, slow and armor break are top utility my guy, definitely better quality than quadruple immunity and everything else you just named lmao I don't think I've ever laughed this hard ngl.
He doesn’t have quadruple immunity the upsell is crazy, everything else bro named was just straight waffle
You're right, it's even better than just immunity. He has huge energy resistance so he heals from shock incinerate and coldsnap rather than taking damage isn't that great? As for the bleeds, sure he's not immune but he can shrug off instantly before they deal any damage. Anything else?
You’re right he can heal from it… but he can also take damage from it… he’s not 100% resistant it can still kill him
I've taken path 9 in AW with him countless times, never taken any meaningful damage from shock or incinerate. Even with 6 or 7 shocks or incinerates on you, you still take hardly any damage (and as a plus, your opponent's health bar melts because of power overload)
Why are you lying even with 3 shocks on him he’s taking considerable damage it’s not a ton but i can clearly notice his health bar going down if he had 6-7 shocks on him i would imagine that wouldn't look very good and dont think losing health in aw is very practical
How would you know if I'm lying or not if you don't have a r3 7* Bishop yourself so you can test it out? Lmao I'm not, he doesn't take that much damage even with 6, might be cause he's 7* r3 but that's how it is for me nonetheless.
I don’t have 7* r3 bishop doesn’t = i don't have bishop
Then how can you claim it doesn't work when mine has more energy resistance, health etc due to him being a higher rank and level?
My parents once told me "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all", but I never listened so here I am.
Are you out of your mind? Some of the responses you've made in here defending why you put champs above other champs are just outright wrong. @Samanun
SS a top 4 mystic in the overall game? Nick not a good attacker? Corvus being god tier? The list goes on ...
The fact that he actually put Sorcerer Supreme above Bishop and Silk is just... I don't even know what to say I'm speechless.
You got to understand this isn't bg’s tierlist though Sorcerer is a way more solid champ that both of them having both utility dmg and consistency which bishop and silk lack that’s why they get knocked down a tier
Sorcerer Supreme does not have more damage or consistency lol. 7* Silk can deal over 600k damage in a single sp3 rotation, and 7* Bishop's sp2 usually takes over 200k between actual hits and the incinerate at the end of the special. If you genuinely believe Sorcerer Supreme has more damage and is more consistent than them I don't know what to tell you other than you need to play the game more cause it doesn't sound like you know that much.
I didn't say she had more damage you can go back and read i never said that im saying her kit is more well rounded and not just a million points in 1 attribute her overall kit is much better
And yes she is more consistent than both of them and it’s not even close silk relies on a.i rng and bishop relies on crit rng while also having a terrible crit rate
Silk relies on AI? What for? You get to sp3 and they're dead where's the AI reliance there? As for Bishop, he doesn't need higher crit rate cause a single crit can deal about 100k in damage without the incinerate. If he had higher crit rate he would be way too strong to be a 7* this early. Again, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
I mean yeah i guess if you’re going for the sp3 rotation then yeah no a.i reliance there but then you’re just kind of getting rid of all her value in doing so her main thing is being able to finish fights quickly if she cant even do that and has no utility then might as well use titania
1 hit of bishop’s sp2 doing 100k? What’s the context for this a 7* rank 3 with recoil most likely i’ve seen a r3 with class advantage do much less. And again you’re not listening to everything im saying reliance on crit rng lack of utility and he’s not that good of a defender that’s why he is where he is.
You don't need AI reliance for sp2 either dude what are you talking about? What AI reliance do you need for sp2? 🤣
Three L takes in a single paragraph so I'm gonna have to number these: 1. Yeah recoils class advantage r3 7*, if you used SS in a similar scenario at the same rank she would never even get close to dealing that much in a single hit. 2. Lack of utility? One of the best purify counters, massive energy resistance so he can take hazard shift shock or incinerate lanes in AW or story content with zero issues and he can also purify bleeds by holding block. He has utility, not a ton but it's there. 3. Not that good of a defender? My guy, you literally have Sorcerer Supreme in God tier, she's a worse defender than Sunspot... What is going on is this argument real or am I arguing with an NPC? 💀 Anyways back to his actual defensive abilities: steady release after sp1 (you literally can't hit him for 10 secs if you aren't incinerate immune), sp2 (massive block penetration and requires perfect timing to fully dex, if you get clipped by the last bit you get incinerated and lose a **** ton of health).
Idk tho my r1 unawakened SS did a 51k crit sp2 no class advantage no recoils with the potential to go much higher, saying she wont reach anywhere near bishop if she was r3 with recoils is just wrong
Yes a lack of utility you can name as many different abilities as you want it’s not about quantity it’s about quality not that he has either
I wasn't basing her off her defensive ability Where did you get that impression? I literally have chi in beyond god tier because he’s a god on attack
Also i said bishop isn’t a good defender To Me and that’s one of the reasons i put him where i put him on my personal list
once you learn to dex his sp2 he has nothing else you don't need perfect timing it’s not hard To avoid his sp1 just block or do a 4 hit combo and dash back early or just use your own special attack to push him to an sp2
First special no ramp up? Doubt it.
He counters purify completely and he can deal with dot debuffs, he has decent enough utility. What does SS have? Armor break slow and nullify? Top tier utility right there lmao
I didn't, you said Bishop isn't that good on defense, I said SS is virtually useless on defense which she is, straight up.
You do need perfect timing, the beam has three hits if you time it wrong even for a split second you will end up getting clipped. At this point, not only do I think you've never played with these champs, you haven't even played against them lol you probably watch videos on YouTube and that's it.
Nope not the first special but it doesn't matter cause she gains power so fast you can throw an sp1 then immediately throw an sp1
Armor break slow nullify power control and sustainability a-lot better than what bishop has which is nothing. I said bishop isn't a good defender because people think of him as a defender or even a dual threat.
Perfect timing would be a frame perfect which it is no where close to being you have quite a bit of leeway when dexing it if you’re not panicking his sp2 has pretty obvious visual q’s so if you need to just look at his hand if you need to Even his sp1 is looks harder than it is
Also you dont need to slip in insults at the end of everything you type
Bishop has nothing??
He can shrug off bleeds, has high enough energy resistance to reduce and then heal from energy DOT like incinerate, shock and coldsnap (he's effectively got quadruple immunities!) not to mention he deals damage back for energy damage done to him which is really nice. He has regeneration buffs and prowess effects which both come in handy not to mention the fact that he punishes champs for shrugging off debuffs and deals energy damage to them, as well as passively stuns them for increased duration. He also deals nice incinerate damage via the SP1 and SP2 and has unblockable special attacks when duped which is also nice.
Bishop is stuffed to the max with utility.
No no, slow and armor break are top utility my guy, definitely better quality than quadruple immunity and everything else you just named lmao I don't think I've ever laughed this hard ngl.
He doesn’t have quadruple immunity the upsell is crazy, everything else bro named was just straight waffle
You're right, it's even better than just immunity. He has huge energy resistance so he heals from shock incinerate and coldsnap rather than taking damage isn't that great? As for the bleeds, sure he's not immune but he can shrug off instantly before they deal any damage. Anything else?
You’re right he can heal from it… but he can also take damage from it… he’s not 100% resistant it can still kill him
I've taken path 9 in AW with him countless times, never taken any meaningful damage from shock or incinerate. Even with 6 or 7 shocks or incinerates on you, you still take hardly any damage (and as a plus, your opponent's health bar melts because of power overload)
Why are you lying even with 3 shocks on him he’s taking considerable damage it’s not a ton but i can clearly notice his health bar going down if he had 6-7 shocks on him i would imagine that wouldn't look very good and dont think losing health in aw is very practical
How would you know if I'm lying or not if you don't have a r3 7* Bishop yourself so you can test it out? Lmao I'm not, he doesn't take that much damage even with 6, might be cause he's 7* r3 but that's how it is for me nonetheless.
I don’t have 7* r3 bishop doesn’t = i don't have bishop
Then how can you claim it doesn't work when mine has more energy resistance, health etc due to him being a higher rank and level?
Oh my b didn’t realize it scaled with rank still shouldn’t be that drastic of a difference tho
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cope.
In the bin you go, ascended scorp.
He obviously took defensive abilities into account while making this list since Bullseye (garbage damage the only thing he has is utility) is also at the top of his list.
I also think sorcerer supreme’s utility and damage is enough to put her into god tier
If you like SS more just say that, the only reason you're getting hate is because you're saying she's better which she is not.
This list has nothing to do about who i like more cause if you ask me i don't care about any of them i don't have any type of attachment to any of these characters they’re just characters in a video game