My parents once told me "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all", but I never listened so here I am.
Are you out of your mind? Some of the responses you've made in here defending why you put champs above other champs are just outright wrong. @Samanun
SS a top 4 mystic in the overall game? Nick not a good attacker? Corvus being god tier? The list goes on ...
The fact that he actually put Sorcerer Supreme above Bishop and Silk is just... I don't even know what to say I'm speechless.
You got to understand this isn't bg’s tierlist though Sorcerer is a way more solid champ that both of them having both utility dmg and consistency which bishop and silk lack that’s why they get knocked down a tier
Sorcerer Supreme does not have more damage or consistency lol. 7* Silk can deal over 600k damage in a single sp3 rotation, and 7* Bishop's sp2 usually takes over 200k between actual hits and the incinerate at the end of the special. If you genuinely believe Sorcerer Supreme has more damage and is more consistent than them I don't know what to tell you other than you need to play the game more cause it doesn't sound like you know that much.
I didn't say she had more damage you can go back and read i never said that im saying her kit is more well rounded and not just a million points in 1 attribute her overall kit is much better
And yes she is more consistent than both of them and it’s not even close silk relies on a.i rng and bishop relies on crit rng while also having a terrible crit rate
Silk relies on AI? What for? You get to sp3 and they're dead where's the AI reliance there? As for Bishop, he doesn't need higher crit rate cause a single crit can deal about 100k in damage without the incinerate. If he had higher crit rate he would be way too strong to be a 7* this early. Again, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
I mean yeah i guess if you’re going for the sp3 rotation then yeah no a.i reliance there but then you’re just kind of getting rid of all her value in doing so her main thing is being able to finish fights quickly if she cant even do that and has no utility then might as well use titania
1 hit of bishop’s sp2 doing 100k? What’s the context for this a 7* rank 3 with recoil most likely i’ve seen a r3 with class advantage do much less. And again you’re not listening to everything im saying reliance on crit rng lack of utility and he’s not that good of a defender that’s why he is where he is.
You don't need AI reliance for sp2 either dude what are you talking about? What AI reliance do you need for sp2? 🤣
Three L takes in a single paragraph so I'm gonna have to number these: 1. Yeah recoils class advantage r3 7*, if you used SS in a similar scenario at the same rank she would never even get close to dealing that much in a single hit. 2. Lack of utility? One of the best purify counters, massive energy resistance so he can take hazard shift shock or incinerate lanes in AW or story content with zero issues and he can also purify bleeds by holding block. He has utility, not a ton but it's there. 3. Not that good of a defender? My guy, you literally have Sorcerer Supreme in God tier, she's a worse defender than Sunspot... What is going on is this argument real or am I arguing with an NPC? 💀 Anyways back to his actual defensive abilities: steady release after sp1 (you literally can't hit him for 10 secs if you aren't incinerate immune), sp2 (massive block penetration and requires perfect timing to fully dex, if you get clipped by the last bit you get incinerated and lose a **** ton of health).
Idk tho my r1 unawakened SS did a 51k crit sp2 no class advantage no recoils with the potential to go much higher, saying she wont reach anywhere near bishop if she was r3 with recoils is just wrong
Yes a lack of utility you can name as many different abilities as you want it’s not about quantity it’s about quality not that he has either
I wasn't basing her off her defensive ability Where did you get that impression? I literally have chi in beyond god tier because he’s a god on attack
Also i said bishop isn’t a good defender To Me and that’s one of the reasons i put him where i put him on my personal list
once you learn to dex his sp2 he has nothing else you don't need perfect timing it’s not hard To avoid his sp1 just block or do a 4 hit combo and dash back early or just use your own special attack to push him to an sp2
First special no ramp up? Doubt it.
He counters purify completely and he can deal with dot debuffs, he has decent enough utility. What does SS have? Armor break slow and nullify? Top tier utility right there lmao
I didn't, you said Bishop isn't that good on defense, I said SS is virtually useless on defense which she is, straight up.
You do need perfect timing, the beam has three hits if you time it wrong even for a split second you will end up getting clipped. At this point, not only do I think you've never played with these champs, you haven't even played against them lol you probably watch videos on YouTube and that's it.
Nope not the first special but it doesn't matter cause she gains power so fast you can throw an sp1 then immediately throw an sp1
Armor break slow nullify power control and sustainability a-lot better than what bishop has which is nothing. I said bishop isn't a good defender because people think of him as a defender or even a dual threat.
Perfect timing would be a frame perfect which it is no where close to being you have quite a bit of leeway when dexing it if you’re not panicking his sp2 has pretty obvious visual q’s so if you need to just look at his hand if you need to Even his sp1 is looks harder than it is
Also you dont need to slip in insults at the end of everything you type
Bishop has nothing??
He can shrug off bleeds, has high enough energy resistance to reduce and then heal from energy DOT like incinerate, shock and coldsnap (he's effectively got quadruple immunities!) not to mention he deals damage back for energy damage done to him which is really nice. He has regeneration buffs and prowess effects which both come in handy not to mention the fact that he punishes champs for shrugging off debuffs and deals energy damage to them, as well as passively stuns them for increased duration. He also deals nice incinerate damage via the SP1 and SP2 and has unblockable special attacks when duped which is also nice.
Bishop is stuffed to the max with utility.
No no, slow and armor break are top utility my guy, definitely better quality than quadruple immunity and everything else you just named lmao I don't think I've ever laughed this hard ngl.
He doesn’t have quadruple immunity the upsell is crazy, everything else bro named was just straight waffle
You're right, it's even better than just immunity. He has huge energy resistance so he heals from shock incinerate and coldsnap rather than taking damage isn't that great? As for the bleeds, sure he's not immune but he can shrug off instantly before they deal any damage. Anything else?
You’re right he can heal from it… but he can also take damage from it… he’s not 100% resistant it can still kill him
I've taken path 9 in AW with him countless times, never taken any meaningful damage from shock or incinerate. Even with 6 or 7 shocks or incinerates on you, you still take hardly any damage (and as a plus, your opponent's health bar melts because of power overload)
Why are you lying even with 3 shocks on him he’s taking considerable damage it’s not a ton but i can clearly notice his health bar going down if he had 6-7 shocks on him i would imagine that wouldn't look very good and dont think losing health in aw is very practical
How would you know if I'm lying or not if you don't have a r3 7* Bishop yourself so you can test it out? Lmao I'm not, he doesn't take that much damage even with 6, might be cause he's 7* r3 but that's how it is for me nonetheless.
I don’t have 7* r3 bishop doesn’t = i don't have bishop
Then how can you claim it doesn't work when mine has more energy resistance, health etc due to him being a higher rank and level?
Oh my b didn’t realize it scaled with rank still shouldn’t be that drastic of a difference tho
I'll make sure to come back and tag you next time I take path 9 😉
Just waiting @Darkraw346 reaction on PsychoMan only Solid level
Only SOLID? yeah, OP said the list was rushed and now I see why...
Lol he's been put in the same tier as venom the duck...yikes
Why are you still on the fact that a champ is in the same tier as a another I already said why, the reason is because im not going to make a million different tiers and try to make the list as accurate as possible it’s simply just pointless, champs aren’t put in the same tier because i think they are equal to each other.
Think of it like this Beyond god tier: 1% God tier: 2-10% Low god tier: 11-20% Demi god tier: 21-40% Low Demi god tier: 41-70% Solid: 71-100%
Just waiting @Darkraw346 reaction on PsychoMan only Solid level
Only SOLID? yeah, OP said the list was rushed and now I see why...
Lol he's been put in the same tier as venom the duck...yikes
Why are you still on the fact that a champ is in the same tier as a another I already said why, the reason is because im not going to make a million different tiers and try to make the list as accurate as possible it’s simply just pointless, champs aren’t put in the same tier because i think they are equal to each other.
Think of it like this Beyond god tier: 1% God tier: 2-10% Low god tier: 11-20% Demi god tier: 21-40% Low Demi god tier: 41-70% Solid: 71-100%
Ok, but some of your placements are just incorrect. You've put stealthy in the tier below thor ragnarok. That's madness. He has much more utility and is a significantly stronger attacker. Quite a few ppl run stealthy in their BGs decks, but nobody uses thor rangarok, and that's for good reason.
Just waiting @Darkraw346 reaction on PsychoMan only Solid level
Only SOLID? yeah, OP said the list was rushed and now I see why...
Lol he's been put in the same tier as venom the duck...yikes
Why are you still on the fact that a champ is in the same tier as a another I already said why, the reason is because im not going to make a million different tiers and try to make the list as accurate as possible it’s simply just pointless, champs aren’t put in the same tier because i think they are equal to each other.
Think of it like this Beyond god tier: 1% God tier: 2-10% Low god tier: 11-20% Demi god tier: 21-40% Low Demi god tier: 41-70% Solid: 71-100%
Ok, but some of your placements are just incorrect. You've put stealthy in the tier below thor ragnarok. That's madness. He has much more utility and is a significantly stronger attacker. Quite a few ppl run stealthy in their BGs decks, but nobody uses thor rangarok, and that's for good reason.
Doesn’t matter who uses who tho it doesn’t change how good a champ is people rank and use whatever champs they want to I also already said why i put stealthy where i put him, his utility is rarely ever usable, his damage is average, he’s squishy, and on top of that he cant defend, also stealthy doesn’t have more utility thor rags has a lot more than probably most champs seeing as he reduces aa by 20% per shock And yes i know he needs to get to a sp3 im just making a point
You’re also under the impression that i know everything about every champ in the game of course some placements are going to be wrong it’s only natural, i don’t know everything about thor rags i really only remembered one of his abilities that allowed him to reduce aa and I thought there could be some value to it so i put him up high enough but not too high
Just waiting @Darkraw346 reaction on PsychoMan only Solid level
Only SOLID? yeah, OP said the list was rushed and now I see why...
Lol he's been put in the same tier as venom the duck...yikes
Why are you still on the fact that a champ is in the same tier as a another I already said why, the reason is because im not going to make a million different tiers and try to make the list as accurate as possible it’s simply just pointless, champs aren’t put in the same tier because i think they are equal to each other.
Think of it like this Beyond god tier: 1% God tier: 2-10% Low god tier: 11-20% Demi god tier: 21-40% Low Demi god tier: 41-70% Solid: 71-100%
Ok, but some of your placements are just incorrect. You've put stealthy in the tier below thor ragnarok. That's madness. He has much more utility and is a significantly stronger attacker. Quite a few ppl run stealthy in their BGs decks, but nobody uses thor rangarok, and that's for good reason.
Doesn’t matter who uses who tho it doesn’t change how good a champ is people rank and use whatever champs they want to I also already said why i put stealthy where i put him, his utility is rarely ever usable, his damage is average, he’s squishy, and on top of that he cant defend, also stealthy doesn’t have more utility thor rags has a lot more than probably most champs seeing as he reduces aa by 20% per shock And yes i know he needs to get to a sp3 im just making a point
You’re also under the impression that i know everything about every champ in the game of course some placements are going to be wrong it’s only natural, i don’t know everything about thor rags i really only remembered one of his abilities that allowed him to reduce aa and I thought there could be some value to it so i put him up high enough but not too high
If you admit you don't know about a lot of champions and are pretty much just 'guessing' who is good then why don't you go on youtube and take notes from other people's tier lists. Vega has one that a lot of ppl contribute to so it's fairly accurate. Besides, literally every single tier list I've ever seen puts stealthy above thor ragnarok because he has higher damage and more utility. Kind of presumptuous to basically assume you know better than all these people.
Just waiting @Darkraw346 reaction on PsychoMan only Solid level
Only SOLID? yeah, OP said the list was rushed and now I see why...
Lol he's been put in the same tier as venom the duck...yikes
Why are you still on the fact that a champ is in the same tier as a another I already said why, the reason is because im not going to make a million different tiers and try to make the list as accurate as possible it’s simply just pointless, champs aren’t put in the same tier because i think they are equal to each other.
Think of it like this Beyond god tier: 1% God tier: 2-10% Low god tier: 11-20% Demi god tier: 21-40% Low Demi god tier: 41-70% Solid: 71-100%
Ok, but some of your placements are just incorrect. You've put stealthy in the tier below thor ragnarok. That's madness. He has much more utility and is a significantly stronger attacker. Quite a few ppl run stealthy in their BGs decks, but nobody uses thor rangarok, and that's for good reason.
Doesn’t matter who uses who tho it doesn’t change how good a champ is people rank and use whatever champs they want to I also already said why i put stealthy where i put him, his utility is rarely ever usable, his damage is average, he’s squishy, and on top of that he cant defend, also stealthy doesn’t have more utility thor rags has a lot more than probably most champs seeing as he reduces aa by 20% per shock And yes i know he needs to get to a sp3 im just making a point
You’re also under the impression that i know everything about every champ in the game of course some placements are going to be wrong it’s only natural, i don’t know everything about thor rags i really only remembered one of his abilities that allowed him to reduce aa and I thought there could be some value to it so i put him up high enough but not too high
If you admit you don't know about a lot of champions and are pretty much just 'guessing' who is good then why don't you go on youtube and take notes from other people's tier lists. Vega has one that a lot of ppl contribute to so it's fairly accurate. Besides, literally every single tier list I've ever seen puts stealthy above thor ragnarok because he has higher damage and more utility. Kind of presumptuous to basically assume you know better than all these people.
I didn't say i didn't know a lot about champions i said i don't know every single thing about every single champion (at least not off the top of my head) which no one does unless they have a photographic memory, i know a-lot about champions a whole lot, and more than 99% people. the word twisting and reaching here is absolutely insane, and tbh it’s kinda of gross how far you’re willing to reach to be right when you are completely and utterly wrong.
Who cares if every single tier list puts stealthy above rags tier lists are opinions and also i’ve said multiple times im not rating champs the same way as other people but you’re too busy pushing your own narrative that you’re not listening to what im saying, so yeah champs are in different tiers because im not rating them based off the same thing as others
How on earth did you get the impression the I assumed i know better than “all these people” you’re just being an absolute clown show now Or need i remind you that this isn't your list, this isn't anyones list but mine and im not going to copy somebody else’s list just to please you
“ waaaa waaa stealthy isnt in the tier i want him to be in” well boo hoo let me play a sad song for you on the world’s smallest violin
Look, me and a lot of other people in this thread are simply pointing out champs that are positioned incorrectly relative to each other. But you stubbornly refuse to accept that we may be right. THAT'S why I don't like how you've done this tier list. One person cannot make a tier list by themselves because they don't know enough about the best champs. That's why Vega's is so good, he has a team of people helping him, plus a whole discord server chatting about a wide range of champs so he can rate them very accurately.
Look, me and a lot of other people in this thread are simply pointing out champs that are positioned incorrectly relative to each other. But you stubbornly refuse to accept that we may be right. THAT'S why I don't like how you've done this tier list. One person cannot make a tier list by themselves because they don't know enough about the best champs. That's why Vega's is so good, he has a team of people helping him, plus a whole discord server chatting about a wide range of champs so he can rate them very accurately.
It just goes in through one ear and right out the other with you Hey guess what if you don't like mine you can make your own. Yes one person can make a tier list tier lists are opinions and nothing more i wasn't setting out to make the most accurate tier list and i wasn't setting out to copy anybody else’s. Why are you acting like just because i made a tier list that makes all other tier lists wrong, you’re also acting like my tier list changes the game when it doesn’t, me putting any champ in any tier doesn’t change anything is side the actual video game in case you forgot, a champ doesn’t suddenly get better or worse just because i decided so.
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yeah, OP said the list was rushed and now I see why...
Think of it like this
Beyond god tier: 1%
God tier: 2-10%
Low god tier: 11-20%
Demi god tier: 21-40%
Low Demi god tier: 41-70%
Solid: 71-100%
I also already said why i put stealthy where i put him, his utility is rarely ever usable, his damage is average, he’s squishy, and on top of that he cant defend, also stealthy doesn’t have more utility thor rags has a lot more than probably most champs seeing as he reduces aa by 20% per shock
And yes i know he needs to get to a sp3 im just making a point
You’re also under the impression that i know everything about every champ in the game of course some placements are going to be wrong it’s only natural, i don’t know everything about thor rags i really only remembered one of his abilities that allowed him to reduce aa and I thought there could be some value to it so i put him up high enough but not too high
Who cares if every single tier list puts stealthy above rags tier lists are opinions and also i’ve said multiple times im not rating champs the same way as other people but you’re too busy pushing your own narrative that you’re not listening to what im saying, so yeah champs are in different tiers because im not rating them based off the same thing as others
How on earth did you get the impression the I assumed i know better than “all these people” you’re just being an absolute clown show now
Or need i remind you that this isn't your list, this isn't anyones list but mine and im not going to copy somebody else’s list just to please you
“ waaaa waaa stealthy isnt in the tier i want him to be in” well boo hoo let me play a sad song for you on the world’s smallest violin
Here is the link: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10RKx5gv7w7bqk2CqfvtInmTrMmRKp6nCyGoaDKIUn6w/edit?usp=sharing
Give Psycho man a raise->Me and my gang here will call it a day...
Hey guess what if you don't like mine you can make your own. Yes one person can make a tier list tier lists are opinions and nothing more i wasn't setting out to make the most accurate tier list and i wasn't setting out to copy anybody else’s. Why are you acting like just because i made a tier list that makes all other tier lists wrong, you’re also acting like my tier list changes the game when it doesn’t, me putting any champ in any tier doesn’t change anything is side the actual video game in case you forgot, a champ doesn’t suddenly get better or worse just because i decided so.