BG turns picking first/second
Aecyn
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Occasionally, going first ends up meaning you get a round three pick where no matter who you pick, you lose. Your defender was the only counter you had for one of their champs.so they put that one as their defender. It's like playing rock paper scissors but your opponent gets to play their choice 10 seconds after you.
Is there any reason that picks can't be simultaneous? Both players have 15 seconds to pick a defender and they both appear at the end of that timer. Then the same for attackers.
The same could be applied in the draft as well. One pick at a time. You still get to react to previous picks and you can see their choice options at the same time as your own.
It changes the strategy but at least there's never an advantage for going second.
Is there any reason that picks can't be simultaneous? Both players have 15 seconds to pick a defender and they both appear at the end of that timer. Then the same for attackers.
The same could be applied in the draft as well. One pick at a time. You still get to react to previous picks and you can see their choice options at the same time as your own.
It changes the strategy but at least there's never an advantage for going second.
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There's hardly an advantage or disadvantage for picking second.
Even if it only applied to the third round. Was more just seeing if it made any sense to try and even out any possibility of an advantage. An alternative to this could also be the system I've seen used in magic the gathering where the loser of the previous round gets to pick who goes first...
Sometimes you gotta throw round 2 to make sure you have a shot at winning round 3 or you end up in a completely lost position.
It's like chess. Sometimes you have to sacrifice a piece to ensure yourself a better position to win later. 😎
This was a really big problem for me when my roster was much smaller and there was that issue with players always going first. I'm fine taking the occasional loss from this now because it also goes the other way but was just wondering if it could be different.
Sometimes you honestly just get a less than ideal draft and you gotta hope the other guy slips up against your tricky/tanky defenders and you play perfectly in the subsequent rounds.
I get it, I've been there too! 😅
My team - bish, abs man and cgr
Opp team - serpent, bish abs man
Opponent have to move first.
Obviously both of us placed abs man and used bish for offense, and I won. But if we have to place simultaneously on last round, I have no idea what would have happened? Will it be a swap game like @Nemesis_17 said, or the opponent had more chance for win, knowing if I play my abs man, then he can safely place his serpent on defense for a clear win? Idk how the solution proposed by OP works in real time
NO.
And so simultaneous Picking (Defender) would not be revealed to each other until BOTH sides have chosen their Defender.
And same with Attacker, the Attackers for both sides would not get revealed to each other until both have picked theirs.
This suggestion is very good idea, and has been suggested before.
It will be more exciting, and the disadvantage of choosing first in round 1 disappears...it will be a little fairer...
My experience after becoming Valiant is that picking first in round 1 has gone from about 90% to pretty close to 50/50 now.
Both pick defender.. then both revealed.
Both pick attacker.. then both revealed.
Fight.
Repeat for Round 1..2..3
Also would help speed things up a little too because you don’t have to wait doing a back-n-forth during those selections.
Additionally if I’m not mistaken, doesn’t the person who gets the last draft pick have to place first in round 1&3? Both players get a benefit, either the last draft pick or placing last in the round that usually matters the most. Either one can screw you over, but going into the match you and your opponent have an equal amount of opportunities for that to happen. The only way to completely stop being screwed over in any form would be to remove all rng from the game mode, but then we’d all just pick the same champs every match. And obviously, that wouldn’t be very fun and get repetitive very quickly.
We actually have good data now on the advantage that placing second has, it is small but statistically significant. At some point we will be making small changes to the draft to try to even out the win rate, for instance by giving the player who places first more champions to choose from in certain phases of the draft.