Who is the best heal reversal champion?

captain_rogers · July 24

Other

Scorp (Idk he heal reverse or not but he blocks regen and heal from it)

Gkevery · July 24

Other

Other : Antivenom

spam the sp1. plus the specters. higher combo shuts down the defenseive Abil accuract on sp’s. was my go to for abs man for a long time. quicker rampup than void, not parry/heavy reliant like MR F.

MattDRK · July 24

Other

Torch

WednesdayLength · July 24

The Leader

If I need heal reversal 100% of the time I'm going either anti venom or sandman, but I think leader is going to take that spot pretty soon. Void is good, but if he's not awakened it's not permanent and it's not the easiest thing to access quickly if you're trying to stop someone from healing back up at the start of the match and get unlucky with your debuffs, but as others have said once it's on its on. I think leader is probably going to be the defacto heal reversal champ going forward given how much he can punish healing

EdisonLaw · July 24

Sandman

https://youtu.be/6ABF68dXL2E?si=cyzVMt2n1IUhad07

https://youtu.be/cG7RUIyObsQ?si=snLuDMpp2bCbFpGn

Emilia90 · July 24

EdisonLaw said:
https://youtu.be/6ABF68dXL2E?si=cyzVMt2n1IUhad07

https://youtu.be/cG7RUIyObsQ?si=snLuDMpp2bCbFpGn

With the WP reversal he looks like a decent damage dealer. Very good utility ofc but I’m wondering where he’ll land in the contest. Still one of the better releases this year now after watching a few vids

ItsClobberinTime · July 24

The Leader

EdisonLaw said:
https://youtu.be/6ABF68dXL2E?si=cyzVMt2n1IUhad07

https://youtu.be/cG7RUIyObsQ?si=snLuDMpp2bCbFpGn

Lmao two minutes for a r5 to take out 400k healthpools? At this point I'm convinced they're just trolling with all these videos.
I'll wait till I see how fast he is when he reverses WP in BGs but they can't blame people for thinking he is mid when all the videos are either showcasing perfect matchups or non-ideal matchups in 2 minutes.

WednesdayLength · July 24

The Leader

ItsClobberinTime said:

EdisonLaw said:
https://youtu.be/6ABF68dXL2E?si=cyzVMt2n1IUhad07

https://youtu.be/cG7RUIyObsQ?si=snLuDMpp2bCbFpGn
Lmao two minutes for a r5 to take out 400k healthpools? At this point I'm convinced they're just trolling with all these videos.
I'll wait till I see how fast he is when he reverses WP in BGs but they can't blame people for thinking he is mid when all the videos are either showcasing perfect matchups or non-ideal matchups in 2 minutes.

Speed is absolutely not the only thing that matters. Him having complete control over healing and passive power gain is clearly his focus, and his damage outside of that isn't the bottom of the barrel like you're making it out to be

ItsClobberinTime · July 24

The Leader

WednesdayLength said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

EdisonLaw said:
https://youtu.be/6ABF68dXL2E?si=cyzVMt2n1IUhad07

https://youtu.be/cG7RUIyObsQ?si=snLuDMpp2bCbFpGn
Lmao two minutes for a r5 to take out 400k healthpools? At this point I'm convinced they're just trolling with all these videos.
I'll wait till I see how fast he is when he reverses WP in BGs but they can't blame people for thinking he is mid when all the videos are either showcasing perfect matchups or non-ideal matchups in 2 minutes.
Speed is absolutely not the only thing that matters. Him having complete control over healing and passive power gain is clearly his focus, and his damage outside of that isn't the bottom of the barrel like you're making it out to be

Speed is one of the main things in BGs though, and I've done every other piece of content in the game so because BGs is the only thing keeping me interested in this game, if he's not good enough for BGs that's just another meh champ I'll probably never use.

I said mid, mid doesn't mean bottom of the barrel, mid means mid and that's what the damage is outside of regen and power gain heavy matchups.

WednesdayLength · July 24

The Leader

ItsClobberinTime said:

WednesdayLength said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

EdisonLaw said:
https://youtu.be/6ABF68dXL2E?si=cyzVMt2n1IUhad07

https://youtu.be/cG7RUIyObsQ?si=snLuDMpp2bCbFpGn
Lmao two minutes for a r5 to take out 400k healthpools? At this point I'm convinced they're just trolling with all these videos.
I'll wait till I see how fast he is when he reverses WP in BGs but they can't blame people for thinking he is mid when all the videos are either showcasing perfect matchups or non-ideal matchups in 2 minutes.
Speed is absolutely not the only thing that matters. Him having complete control over healing and passive power gain is clearly his focus, and his damage outside of that isn't the bottom of the barrel like you're making it out to be
Speed is one of the main things in BGs though, and I've done every other piece of content in the game so because BGs is the only thing keeping me interested in this game, if he's not good enough for BGs that's just another meh champ I'll probably never use.

I said mid, mid doesn't mean bottom of the barrel, mid means mid and that's what the damage is outside of regen and power gain heavy matchups.

Yeah but like basically any champ that isn't a bg champ is gonna be mid in your eyes then? You're saying he's only good in the matches he's designed to be good in lmao

ItsClobberinTime · July 24

The Leader

WednesdayLength said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

WednesdayLength said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

EdisonLaw said:
https://youtu.be/6ABF68dXL2E?si=cyzVMt2n1IUhad07

https://youtu.be/cG7RUIyObsQ?si=snLuDMpp2bCbFpGn
Lmao two minutes for a r5 to take out 400k healthpools? At this point I'm convinced they're just trolling with all these videos.
I'll wait till I see how fast he is when he reverses WP in BGs but they can't blame people for thinking he is mid when all the videos are either showcasing perfect matchups or non-ideal matchups in 2 minutes.
Speed is absolutely not the only thing that matters. Him having complete control over healing and passive power gain is clearly his focus, and his damage outside of that isn't the bottom of the barrel like you're making it out to be
Speed is one of the main things in BGs though, and I've done every other piece of content in the game so because BGs is the only thing keeping me interested in this game, if he's not good enough for BGs that's just another meh champ I'll probably never use.

I said mid, mid doesn't mean bottom of the barrel, mid means mid and that's what the damage is outside of regen and power gain heavy matchups.
Yeah but like basically any champ that isn't a bg champ is gonna be mid in your eyes then? You're saying he's only good in the matches he's designed to be good in lmao

Not what I said either, I have a r2 7* Ironheart and her damage is actually decent, not on Hulkling level or anything but decent enough to make her usable in BGs.

How many metas have had regen or power gain since BGs started? Not even 5, we're on season 20, power gain and regen are not common enough to make him relevant is what I'm trying to say. Only way I see him being relevant is if the WP reversal damage is good but again WP doesn't scale with modified health and 1k-1.5k per second doesn't really sound like a big deal to me, I hope I'm wrong but that's where I stand right now.

EdisonLaw · July 24

Sandman

ItsClobberinTime said:

WednesdayLength said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

WednesdayLength said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

EdisonLaw said:
https://youtu.be/6ABF68dXL2E?si=cyzVMt2n1IUhad07

https://youtu.be/cG7RUIyObsQ?si=snLuDMpp2bCbFpGn
Lmao two minutes for a r5 to take out 400k healthpools? At this point I'm convinced they're just trolling with all these videos.
I'll wait till I see how fast he is when he reverses WP in BGs but they can't blame people for thinking he is mid when all the videos are either showcasing perfect matchups or non-ideal matchups in 2 minutes.
Speed is absolutely not the only thing that matters. Him having complete control over healing and passive power gain is clearly his focus, and his damage outside of that isn't the bottom of the barrel like you're making it out to be
Speed is one of the main things in BGs though, and I've done every other piece of content in the game so because BGs is the only thing keeping me interested in this game, if he's not good enough for BGs that's just another meh champ I'll probably never use.

I said mid, mid doesn't mean bottom of the barrel, mid means mid and that's what the damage is outside of regen and power gain heavy matchups.
Yeah but like basically any champ that isn't a bg champ is gonna be mid in your eyes then? You're saying he's only good in the matches he's designed to be good in lmao
Not what I said either, I have a r2 7* Ironheart and her damage is actually decent, not on Hulkling level or anything but decent enough to make her usable in BGs.

How many metas have had regen or power gain since BGs started? Not even 5, we're on season 20, power gain and regen are not common enough to make him relevant is what I'm trying to say. Only way I see him being relevant is if the WP reversal damage is good but again WP doesn't scale with modified health and 1k-1.5k per second doesn't really sound like a big deal to me, I hope I'm wrong but that's where I stand right now.

Not only metas, but also specific matchups like Hyperion, Gorr, mystics with mystic dispersion, etc. He might not be the fastest for those matchups but he is good

ItsClobberinTime · July 24

The Leader

EdisonLaw said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

WednesdayLength said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

WednesdayLength said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

EdisonLaw said:
https://youtu.be/6ABF68dXL2E?si=cyzVMt2n1IUhad07

https://youtu.be/cG7RUIyObsQ?si=snLuDMpp2bCbFpGn
Lmao two minutes for a r5 to take out 400k healthpools? At this point I'm convinced they're just trolling with all these videos.
I'll wait till I see how fast he is when he reverses WP in BGs but they can't blame people for thinking he is mid when all the videos are either showcasing perfect matchups or non-ideal matchups in 2 minutes.
Speed is absolutely not the only thing that matters. Him having complete control over healing and passive power gain is clearly his focus, and his damage outside of that isn't the bottom of the barrel like you're making it out to be
Speed is one of the main things in BGs though, and I've done every other piece of content in the game so because BGs is the only thing keeping me interested in this game, if he's not good enough for BGs that's just another meh champ I'll probably never use.

I said mid, mid doesn't mean bottom of the barrel, mid means mid and that's what the damage is outside of regen and power gain heavy matchups.
Yeah but like basically any champ that isn't a bg champ is gonna be mid in your eyes then? You're saying he's only good in the matches he's designed to be good in lmao
Not what I said either, I have a r2 7* Ironheart and her damage is actually decent, not on Hulkling level or anything but decent enough to make her usable in BGs.

How many metas have had regen or power gain since BGs started? Not even 5, we're on season 20, power gain and regen are not common enough to make him relevant is what I'm trying to say. Only way I see him being relevant is if the WP reversal damage is good but again WP doesn't scale with modified health and 1k-1.5k per second doesn't really sound like a big deal to me, I hope I'm wrong but that's where I stand right now.
Not only metas, but also specific matchups like Hyperion, Gorr, mystics with mystic dispersion, etc. He might not be the fastest for those matchups but he is good

Some of those champs can't have their healing or power gain fully reversed (Serpent being #1 example) so he won't be as fast for those, and against most mystics who regen or have power gain you're still better off sticking to Titania Red Guardian Ham Hulk etc cause they will be faster regardless.
I'm not saying Leader doesn't have utility, I'm saying unless the WP reversal is strong he won't be relevant cause he'll be too slow.

ThatGuyYouSaw235 · July 24

ItsClobberinTime said:

ThatGuyYouSaw235 said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

ThatGuyYouSaw235 said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

EdisonLaw said:
NAGASE just dropped a video on the Leader and he thinks he's the best

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8KAr3VWgco&ab_channel=-NAGASE-
Nagase thinks HtD is underrated, I don't really watch the guy anymore he tends to overhype champs for absolutely no reason, especially this year's new releases.
It's less of him "overhyping" a champ and more of him not having a black or white outlook on a champ and being able to see what they can do well rather than him going "NOODLE HANDS WEAK CHAMP NO ONE SHOULD USE HIM" if you ask me.
If he is calling The Leader, a champ who at r3 7* barely lands 6k crits (absolutely pathetic that damage is worse than Sable's), a "very very good champ" then he is absolutely overhyping a champ that does indeed hit like a noodle unless there's a ton of regen and your reply is a clear example of this. Do you just watch his videos and repeat whatever he says or actually analyze the fights he's showcasing before making up your mind?
Lmao this is like showcasing a bunch of matchups with a ton of armor with Galan and saying "yep, that's a top 3 cosmic!"
You're overlooking many details. Putting Leader and Sable on the same level solely because of their basic attack damage is disingenuous to what these champs are designed to do. I own Sable as a 7* and quite frankly she excels at literally nothing, she is by all means a worse BWDO.

Now, note how Nagase calls the Leader a "very strong utility character" at around 3:59 seconds, by no means is he saying that he's a very strong damage champion, he is instead putting him on par with renowned utility champions such as Warlock and S2099 (who were well received initially because of reasoning such as yours, but later became accepted as great additions to their classes).

With the Leader, he has insanely strong Power Gain and Regeneration reversal which can be applied to MANY matchups and Inequity built in to boot. If you've watched the video, it takes like 20-25 seconds for The Leader to reach the 10 debuff limit and completely shut down Regen and Power Gain. On attack, you can completely reverse Willpower on the opponent. Hell, they didn't turn off Inequity or Despair on The Leader, which means you can be even more tanky and hand out more Heal Reversal.

Like it or not, The Leader currently has a stranglehold over two mechanics that help define the Science class as a whole. I'd be willing to bet that he'll be a cool champ to use in AW and BGs because of his control and defense potential.

I'd anticipate him being a great champion to use against The Serpent, Destroyer, Absorbing Man, Sasquatch, Werewolf, Kindred (not 100% sure), Gorr, Hulkling, Rintrah (also not 100%), Sauron, Toad, Wong... plus the occasional Regen/Power Gain node here and there.

Time will tell so I could be wrong, it just helps to look at everything the champion can do before making a staunch judgement.
S2099 and Warlock both have damage that doesn't depend on the opponent's regen or power gain, sure S2099 is a lot better when there's a lot of power gain but he doesn't need the defenders to have power gain to have crazy damage. Leader is an absolute noodle if there isn't regen or power gain for him to do something and this forces him to go for sp3 but unlike Titania the fight isn't over 5 seconds after he throws it, not a huge difference but definitely a noticeable and detrimental one in BGs

I watched the video, I'm not arguing the utility part I'm arguing the noodle part because he is a noodle unless certain conditions are met. How many BGs metas have we had with a ton of power gain and regen since BGs were released? Not even 5 and season 20 is about to start tomorrow.

As for the WP reversal comment, I already did the Math and the max damage you will be getting is between 1k-1.5k a second because WP doesn't scale with modified health. Healthpools are currently between 250k-300k if you think 1k-1.5k damage a second is going to allow him to compete with the damage of any of the current meta relevant science champs in BGs you're crazy, and that is the main complaint here from me. None of the champs released this year are meta relevant cause they're full of utility but damage is just not quite there. We don't need more champs like that, I haven't even popped any featured crystals since I got Serpent cause nothing in those crystals will actually do anything for my account as an endgame player who usually places all the way up in Arcane l at this point.

I'm not denying the fun aspect, he looks fun, what bothers me is that Kabam seems to be unable to release one fun champ that's actually strong enough to be meta relevant. Sable and Arcade both looked very interesting and fun yet their damage is garbage. Leader might not be that bad but he's nowhere near "very very good" (which Nagase mentions right off the bat) and most likely won't make it to 90% of the decks cause the damage just isn't there.

I've looked at everything he can do, I watched DLL's video as well, (he said Serpent is probably a no btw so you can scratch that one off) and I did my own Math to account for the WP reversal and I'm not impressed just like most CCs.

Lastly before I get the usual "BGs isn't the only game mode" comments, that is correct it's not the only game mode. However, for people who have already 100% all game content or are pretty close to 100% what else is there? BGs is the only reason I'm not burned out yet and I'm sure it's the same for a lot of endgame players.

Like I said, time will tell. My point is that the Leader clearly has an area which he excels in (which I feel you may be discrediting too much but who knows). Compared to the rest of the champions released this year (not counting defenders), can you name me another champion that can potentially be the best at an area in the game? If so, is it as broad or broader than complete control over Regeneration and Power Gain?

Sure he could be helped with some extra numbers (so would literally every champ in the game) but as it stands, he appears to be a very strong control champion.

Also, I brought up The Serpent as MSD had a video of him being able to take him rather well. I'd take it with a grain of salt as it was likely practice mode but still Leader is able to slow down Serpent's Power Gain and combined with built-in Inequity and Steadfast, does makes him seem to be a pretty safe option to use against Serpent even if he may not be speedy.

EdisonLaw · July 25

Sandman

ThatGuyYouSaw235 said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

ThatGuyYouSaw235 said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

ThatGuyYouSaw235 said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

EdisonLaw said:
NAGASE just dropped a video on the Leader and he thinks he's the best

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8KAr3VWgco&ab_channel=-NAGASE-
Nagase thinks HtD is underrated, I don't really watch the guy anymore he tends to overhype champs for absolutely no reason, especially this year's new releases.
It's less of him "overhyping" a champ and more of him not having a black or white outlook on a champ and being able to see what they can do well rather than him going "NOODLE HANDS WEAK CHAMP NO ONE SHOULD USE HIM" if you ask me.
If he is calling The Leader, a champ who at r3 7* barely lands 6k crits (absolutely pathetic that damage is worse than Sable's), a "very very good champ" then he is absolutely overhyping a champ that does indeed hit like a noodle unless there's a ton of regen and your reply is a clear example of this. Do you just watch his videos and repeat whatever he says or actually analyze the fights he's showcasing before making up your mind?
Lmao this is like showcasing a bunch of matchups with a ton of armor with Galan and saying "yep, that's a top 3 cosmic!"
You're overlooking many details. Putting Leader and Sable on the same level solely because of their basic attack damage is disingenuous to what these champs are designed to do. I own Sable as a 7* and quite frankly she excels at literally nothing, she is by all means a worse BWDO.

Now, note how Nagase calls the Leader a "very strong utility character" at around 3:59 seconds, by no means is he saying that he's a very strong damage champion, he is instead putting him on par with renowned utility champions such as Warlock and S2099 (who were well received initially because of reasoning such as yours, but later became accepted as great additions to their classes).

With the Leader, he has insanely strong Power Gain and Regeneration reversal which can be applied to MANY matchups and Inequity built in to boot. If you've watched the video, it takes like 20-25 seconds for The Leader to reach the 10 debuff limit and completely shut down Regen and Power Gain. On attack, you can completely reverse Willpower on the opponent. Hell, they didn't turn off Inequity or Despair on The Leader, which means you can be even more tanky and hand out more Heal Reversal.

Like it or not, The Leader currently has a stranglehold over two mechanics that help define the Science class as a whole. I'd be willing to bet that he'll be a cool champ to use in AW and BGs because of his control and defense potential.

I'd anticipate him being a great champion to use against The Serpent, Destroyer, Absorbing Man, Sasquatch, Werewolf, Kindred (not 100% sure), Gorr, Hulkling, Rintrah (also not 100%), Sauron, Toad, Wong... plus the occasional Regen/Power Gain node here and there.

Time will tell so I could be wrong, it just helps to look at everything the champion can do before making a staunch judgement.
S2099 and Warlock both have damage that doesn't depend on the opponent's regen or power gain, sure S2099 is a lot better when there's a lot of power gain but he doesn't need the defenders to have power gain to have crazy damage. Leader is an absolute noodle if there isn't regen or power gain for him to do something and this forces him to go for sp3 but unlike Titania the fight isn't over 5 seconds after he throws it, not a huge difference but definitely a noticeable and detrimental one in BGs

I watched the video, I'm not arguing the utility part I'm arguing the noodle part because he is a noodle unless certain conditions are met. How many BGs metas have we had with a ton of power gain and regen since BGs were released? Not even 5 and season 20 is about to start tomorrow.

As for the WP reversal comment, I already did the Math and the max damage you will be getting is between 1k-1.5k a second because WP doesn't scale with modified health. Healthpools are currently between 250k-300k if you think 1k-1.5k damage a second is going to allow him to compete with the damage of any of the current meta relevant science champs in BGs you're crazy, and that is the main complaint here from me. None of the champs released this year are meta relevant cause they're full of utility but damage is just not quite there. We don't need more champs like that, I haven't even popped any featured crystals since I got Serpent cause nothing in those crystals will actually do anything for my account as an endgame player who usually places all the way up in Arcane l at this point.

I'm not denying the fun aspect, he looks fun, what bothers me is that Kabam seems to be unable to release one fun champ that's actually strong enough to be meta relevant. Sable and Arcade both looked very interesting and fun yet their damage is garbage. Leader might not be that bad but he's nowhere near "very very good" (which Nagase mentions right off the bat) and most likely won't make it to 90% of the decks cause the damage just isn't there.

I've looked at everything he can do, I watched DLL's video as well, (he said Serpent is probably a no btw so you can scratch that one off) and I did my own Math to account for the WP reversal and I'm not impressed just like most CCs.

Lastly before I get the usual "BGs isn't the only game mode" comments, that is correct it's not the only game mode. However, for people who have already 100% all game content or are pretty close to 100% what else is there? BGs is the only reason I'm not burned out yet and I'm sure it's the same for a lot of endgame players.
Like I said, time will tell. My point is that the Leader clearly has an area which he excels in (which I feel you may be discrediting too much but who knows). Compared to the rest of the champions released this year (not counting defenders), can you name me another champion that can potentially be the best at an area in the game? If so, is it as broad or broader than complete control over Regeneration and Power Gain?

Sure he could be helped with some extra numbers (so would literally every champ in the game) but as it stands, he appears to be a very strong control champion.

Also, I brought up The Serpent as MSD had a video of him being able to take him rather well. I'd take it with a grain of salt as it was likely practice mode but still Leader is able to slow down Serpent's Power Gain and combined with built-in Inequity and Steadfast, does makes him seem to be a pretty safe option to use against Serpent even if he may not be speedy.

Also I have a feeling he will be a good defender because he can stall with inequity and his protections, plus being in the door deals instant degen damage

EdisonLaw · July 25

Sandman

Gkevery said:
Other : Antivenom

spam the sp1. plus the specters. higher combo shuts down the defenseive Abil accuract on sp’s. was my go to for abs man for a long time. quicker rampup than void, not parry/heavy reliant like MR F.

Forgot about him, yeah he’s really good. I wish he’s a 7 star

Archit_1812 · July 25

Guillotine (both)

Have ya'll SEEN guillotine's real reversal? I've seen ROL Wolverine go from 60% to 100% to KO in 15-20 seconds or less.

ItsClobberinTime · July 25

The Leader

ThatGuyYouSaw235 said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

ThatGuyYouSaw235 said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

ThatGuyYouSaw235 said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

EdisonLaw said:
NAGASE just dropped a video on the Leader and he thinks he's the best

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8KAr3VWgco&ab_channel=-NAGASE-
Nagase thinks HtD is underrated, I don't really watch the guy anymore he tends to overhype champs for absolutely no reason, especially this year's new releases.
It's less of him "overhyping" a champ and more of him not having a black or white outlook on a champ and being able to see what they can do well rather than him going "NOODLE HANDS WEAK CHAMP NO ONE SHOULD USE HIM" if you ask me.
If he is calling The Leader, a champ who at r3 7* barely lands 6k crits (absolutely pathetic that damage is worse than Sable's), a "very very good champ" then he is absolutely overhyping a champ that does indeed hit like a noodle unless there's a ton of regen and your reply is a clear example of this. Do you just watch his videos and repeat whatever he says or actually analyze the fights he's showcasing before making up your mind?
Lmao this is like showcasing a bunch of matchups with a ton of armor with Galan and saying "yep, that's a top 3 cosmic!"
You're overlooking many details. Putting Leader and Sable on the same level solely because of their basic attack damage is disingenuous to what these champs are designed to do. I own Sable as a 7* and quite frankly she excels at literally nothing, she is by all means a worse BWDO.

Now, note how Nagase calls the Leader a "very strong utility character" at around 3:59 seconds, by no means is he saying that he's a very strong damage champion, he is instead putting him on par with renowned utility champions such as Warlock and S2099 (who were well received initially because of reasoning such as yours, but later became accepted as great additions to their classes).

With the Leader, he has insanely strong Power Gain and Regeneration reversal which can be applied to MANY matchups and Inequity built in to boot. If you've watched the video, it takes like 20-25 seconds for The Leader to reach the 10 debuff limit and completely shut down Regen and Power Gain. On attack, you can completely reverse Willpower on the opponent. Hell, they didn't turn off Inequity or Despair on The Leader, which means you can be even more tanky and hand out more Heal Reversal.

Like it or not, The Leader currently has a stranglehold over two mechanics that help define the Science class as a whole. I'd be willing to bet that he'll be a cool champ to use in AW and BGs because of his control and defense potential.

I'd anticipate him being a great champion to use against The Serpent, Destroyer, Absorbing Man, Sasquatch, Werewolf, Kindred (not 100% sure), Gorr, Hulkling, Rintrah (also not 100%), Sauron, Toad, Wong... plus the occasional Regen/Power Gain node here and there.

Time will tell so I could be wrong, it just helps to look at everything the champion can do before making a staunch judgement.
S2099 and Warlock both have damage that doesn't depend on the opponent's regen or power gain, sure S2099 is a lot better when there's a lot of power gain but he doesn't need the defenders to have power gain to have crazy damage. Leader is an absolute noodle if there isn't regen or power gain for him to do something and this forces him to go for sp3 but unlike Titania the fight isn't over 5 seconds after he throws it, not a huge difference but definitely a noticeable and detrimental one in BGs

I watched the video, I'm not arguing the utility part I'm arguing the noodle part because he is a noodle unless certain conditions are met. How many BGs metas have we had with a ton of power gain and regen since BGs were released? Not even 5 and season 20 is about to start tomorrow.

As for the WP reversal comment, I already did the Math and the max damage you will be getting is between 1k-1.5k a second because WP doesn't scale with modified health. Healthpools are currently between 250k-300k if you think 1k-1.5k damage a second is going to allow him to compete with the damage of any of the current meta relevant science champs in BGs you're crazy, and that is the main complaint here from me. None of the champs released this year are meta relevant cause they're full of utility but damage is just not quite there. We don't need more champs like that, I haven't even popped any featured crystals since I got Serpent cause nothing in those crystals will actually do anything for my account as an endgame player who usually places all the way up in Arcane l at this point.

I'm not denying the fun aspect, he looks fun, what bothers me is that Kabam seems to be unable to release one fun champ that's actually strong enough to be meta relevant. Sable and Arcade both looked very interesting and fun yet their damage is garbage. Leader might not be that bad but he's nowhere near "very very good" (which Nagase mentions right off the bat) and most likely won't make it to 90% of the decks cause the damage just isn't there.

I've looked at everything he can do, I watched DLL's video as well, (he said Serpent is probably a no btw so you can scratch that one off) and I did my own Math to account for the WP reversal and I'm not impressed just like most CCs.

Lastly before I get the usual "BGs isn't the only game mode" comments, that is correct it's not the only game mode. However, for people who have already 100% all game content or are pretty close to 100% what else is there? BGs is the only reason I'm not burned out yet and I'm sure it's the same for a lot of endgame players.
Like I said, time will tell. My point is that the Leader clearly has an area which he excels in (which I feel you may be discrediting too much but who knows). Compared to the rest of the champions released this year (not counting defenders), can you name me another champion that can potentially be the best at an area in the game? If so, is it as broad or broader than complete control over Regeneration and Power Gain?

Sure he could be helped with some extra numbers (so would literally every champ in the game) but as it stands, he appears to be a very strong control champion.

Also, I brought up The Serpent as MSD had a video of him being able to take him rather well. I'd take it with a grain of salt as it was likely practice mode but still Leader is able to slow down Serpent's Power Gain and combined with built-in Inequity and Steadfast, does makes him seem to be a pretty safe option to use against Serpent even if he may not be speedy.

I'm not denying that, as you can see I voted for him on this poll and I recognize how crazy he will be for regen and power gain probably Mantis speed if not faster. My issue is his damage isn't really that good when you don't have any of those, I watched MÆX use his already in BGs and as predicted the damage was between 900-1.5k a second but never higher than that. He is essentially another Negasonic in terms of speed if there isn't any actual fat power gain or regen for him to reverse.

Again, he will be the best for power gain and regen I am not denying that, my issue is so far this year we've been getting 10/10 utility and 10/10 in terms of fun but 5/10 in terms of damage. I wouldn't have an issue if 2024 had just started but we're already seven months in and we haven't received a single true nuke so far, I understand we can't have too many of those for obvious reasons but it's been a very long time already, the last one we got was Silk. It's about time they give us another one.

He will be a pretty safe option for sure but I don't see him doing that fight in under a minute unless it's a r3 punching one or two ranks below. I could be wrong but as I said, I saw his damage on MÆX's stream, he didn't play him optimally 100% but he did have 10 spectre at certain points and the damage per second was not going above 1.2k even with class advantage. It's not bad damage again, but I don't feel like it will be quite enough and this has been the same complaint from most people with all the new releases this year, the damage is just not all that and this has been going on for a while now.

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