Our first look at Enchantress

That sp2 is nuts and I can already sense the down badness

https://youtu.be/ppdFQizo8s4?si=l-ei_5Auv7MGZgja

Comments

I think this will only continue. They base new champs on their r3 potential and it's not supposed to be that way. BY THE WAY, if the 7* r3 damage output is mid then any rank below is PLAIN OUT HORRIBLE. How do they perform as a 6* ?Kabam needs to check these, they can only use nice animations to brainwash the community for so long. I snapped out of the delusion after I saw negasonic. It was like I woke up. I was hyped when I saw her animations(her being on her phone and all). I was INVESTED. I wanted to get her early bundle. Then I saw the deep dive of a 7* r3 doing barely 2k incinerate damage after one Sp2. LIKE WHAT??????? Just for references a 6* r5 will be doing close to 1k incinerates after one Sp2 depending on masteries. Just to let y'all know the point I'm tryna make.
This has to stop. Dazzler is the champ I'm most excited for and am willing to spend on(if she's coming) and if she turns out terrible that may be my final straw.
And I hate how CC'S don't voice their opinions on these matters instead, they go along with it. Like y'all are supposed to be the voice of the community, they instead try to sell us on the champions knowing damn well they are pure garbage.

Emilia90

Aside from her looking very cool I still think she has a lot more value than someone like Negasonic or other similar champs from this year (this is my hear me out moment). She’s projected to be a good defender which means she’ll already have value in a bg deck, obviously would like to see her full deep dive abilities too. Also on a more personal note I love how they said that she can be used skillfully and there’s a way to boost her by a lot if you play it well

Her damage potential in the long run looks loads better than Negasonic and she has very relevant utility. Pretty much sure that we’ll see a high tier serpent or maestro boss in endgame type content coming soon and she can effectively counter both and gets better for longer fights so I think she could be a pretty good pull compared to the other mid we’ve had this year

Not trying to defend the mid damage in short fights thing but I see myself getting use out of her unlike someone like Punk or Sable or Arcade or Northstar (you get the point lmao). I respect your take on this though and I’ve agreed with you that we’ve had mid damage dealers this year

ItsClobberinTime

That could definitely be the one saving grace for her so we'll see how good she is on defense. Maybe comparing her with Negasonic was a bit too much since yes they said she will be a good defender and great for long form content (and based on the damage against that big Serpent I agree), both of which Negasonic is not so I'll agree with you there.
It just sucks that again like most champs released this year she can't be used in BGs in 90% of the fights, I'm sick of running the same champs in my deck already, I've been doing so for the past 7 months and it's starting to actually burn me out.
Long story short, it annoys me how they're ticking all the boxes except the damage one with nearly every new release this year and even after all the feedback they're still doing it.

ItsClobberinTime

This was perfectly worded, exactly my thoughts. They're designing champs based on their r3 sig 200 potential and it makes absolutely no sense cause they're essentially killing the 6* versions.

As for the animations I 100% agree with that too, I snapped out of it after Negasonic as well and that's the main reason I'm one of the most vocal persons on the forums about most champs having mid damage this year.

As for the CCs I 100% agree with you there as well. Videos like this one:

https://youtu.be/rsO62D6Leks?si=QxYJPX_qUG_uj_Wg
Bother me cause they actually end up convincing people that such champions are good when they're mid as hell, in this specific case I know cause I have a r2 awakened Ironheart.
Very few actually voice their opinions, most go along with whatever Kabam says or does and just continue to overhype champs most people will forget even exist after their rebalance info comes out.

NONYABIZZ

This is actually crazy!!! I did not know it was that bad.
80s for a photon, 73s for a doctor doom r5
And she's r3!!!
And then when someone complains there's always one guy in the comments talmbout "ohh no she didn't finish the fight in 50's she's bad" THAT'S A RANK 3!!! That is terrible. She's punching down and racing against time as a r3 GOD knows how the 6* would perform in that situation.
Then the CC'S go out to rank 3 them and showcase videos on them saying they're great champions. I've been seeing latest NTW R3 videos and will not be expecting kabam to do anything on her damage because CC'S thinks she's fine as she is.

StuntzTheCMMKid

I had been noticed during the deep dives, the champs are shown as r3, and prob max sig. If you're not paying attention, it will trick you into thinking that champ is a 6* and is doing crazy damage. No, it's a r3 7* doing mid damage for a r3 7* lol.

I'm eagerly waiting for Spiral. But I hope she won't fall into the same garbage damage category as most new releases this year.

Aren't some of the CC's getting paid by Kabam now? IF so, would that still make them a voice for the community?.

Emilia90

Nah the CC’s have always overhyped stuff since the start of the game. I doubt it’s some payroll thing, more of them just ranking and hyping champs they enjoy even if their damage output isn’t great. Most of them are endgame and can hype whoever they want since they already have very good rosters at that point

EdisonLaw

They have been doing this since the start of mcoc, not in 2023 or 2024

ItsClobberinTime

No they haven't lol you're very wrong there. Back then it was the complete opposite, they hyped up champs people thought were trash and ended up being pretty insane (at the time at least). Apocalypse, Torch and Doom being the best examples of this, now it's the complete opposite hyping up champs that turn out to be mid.

ItsClobberinTime

Yeah it's terrible, that's why I was being so vocal about her not getting a tune up. It is absolutely insane to me that a 2024 champ can't even compete with 2016-2018 ones in terms of damage and speed and Kabam somehow say she's performing well.

Emilia90

I think they tried to slow down heavy damage dealers after releasing so many good 2023 champs. I know we expect a lot better after the great showing from 2023 but pre-2023 champs had so many duds. 2022 started off the year with some massive duds and the same applies to 2021 and a lot of previous years. 2023 was so good that even the biggest letdowns from there are leagues better than most champs that came before and after.

ItsClobberinTime

Hard disagree there, pre-2023 had many duds yes BUT look at the champs we got throughout those years as well

2022: Mantis, Titania, Galan, Hulkling, Scorpion.
2021: Nimrod, Kitty, Chavez, Shang and the elephant in the room Herc.
2020: Ham, CGR, Sassy, Guardian, Tigra, Hit-Monkey, Longshot.
2019: Doom, Claire, Sunspot, Warlock, Stealth Spidey, Torch, Nick.

And the list goes on and on. So far this year, even White Tiger (easily the best attacker this year) struggles keeping up with most of those champs in terms of damage and utility. 2024 has been the worst year for champ design since 2019, and that's a hill I will die on.

EdisonLaw

Well true, I think the first champ that got hyped was Infamous Iron Man (unless I missed someone), because he was also another version of Doom so people thought he would be just as good as Doom.

IDoom is great, don’t get me wrong but there are notable flaws in his kit

Emilia90

Yeah that’s fair I agree that other years had a lot of standouts despite having a lot of duds. I’d say WT is more meta than half those champs though, especially ones like Claire and Stealthy

I know you said champ design, but it’s more so just damage. Like almost every champ this year has fantastic utility and cool loops and stuff to do like spider-punk, the numbers are just undertuned. If you tuned the numbers up on some of these champs just a bit or added one small thing (refresh for Ironheart, ramp faster for destroyer) they’d be perfect. The damage being good with that amount of utility = perfect champ but they fumble when it comes to the numbers. So close yet so far from perfection

Anyway see y’all back for Enchantress DD tomorrow

EdisonLaw

@ItsClobberinTime what about Prowler?

Sidd777

Funny enough, most of those champions came out in the second half of the year. I always felt like the first couple months of the year used to have mostly mid to good champs while the second half had a lot of bangers, but last year was definitely a change with most champs being fantastic from start to end

ItsClobberinTime

1. A lot of them were from the first half. In fact, 11 out of those 24 are from the first half. Nearly half of those champs are from the first half.
2. Mid to good? Here are the ones from the first half from each year.

2022: Hulkling, Rintrah, Scorpion.
2021: Chavez, Herc, Shang.
2020: Hit-Monkey, Tigra, Longshot.
2019: Torch, Nick.

ItsClobberinTime

If they change that incinerate to rupture maybe.

EdisonLaw

Also I noticed that she has that stun into heavy like Doom, Chavez and a few other champs, it's probably to control which special to use. We'll see tomorrow

Sidd777

That’s completely fair, I was thinking of June and after as the second half of the year, which is definitely wrong. During those years as champs came out I felt like the second half tended to have a higher number of amazing champs compared to the first half, which looking back was probably wrong. I wasn’t calling the champs you listed mid by any means, if that’s what it came across as.

ItsClobberinTime

Yeah in that case fair enough it was just a misunderstanding, Hulkling and a few others were June indeed.
In a sense you're right though cause the second half every year did have a couple more bangers but the first half always had a decent amount as well nonetheless.
So yeah that's why I was arguing that it's just weird not having anything even remotely close to that level so far when we're already a month into the second half (about to be two but BRB might be the one that finally breaks that cycle fingers crossed).

Yeah I misunderstood that last part lol my bad.

ItsClobberinTime

She is but only because neither of them are 7*. If they were, they would definitely be more meta relevant than White Tiger, the fact that Kabam refuses to release any of them as 7* (Claire even got removed from the Twitter poll) and instead keeps adding trash to the Titan makes this even more likely. They probably know how absolutely busted they would be in the current meta as r3 7*.

Yeah I didn't word that one properly, it's the damage not champ design. Animations, gameplay and utility have both been absolutely peak this year only problem is you can't use them in BGs (one of the few game modes keeping the game relevant when you've done all solo content) where damage matters the most.

I don't expect anything amazing tomorrow but maybe it'll surprise me since I'm not really expecting much which is a good thing lol I want to see that defensive value before I make up my mind on her.

captain_rogers

Not since 2019, 2018 is still one of the best years in mcoc.
We got ghost, domino, capiw, void , corvus, Aegon, Massacre, Killmonger, symbiote supreme - All were used to be super relevant for multiple years, some even now.
Even in 2017 we had champs like startky, blade, iceman and most importantly archangel who is still broken.

I'll say 2024 is the worst year since 2016. Most of the champs this year are irrelevant on offense. None of the champs released so far can be considered top 5 attackers of their class. I think maybe this is what we deserve after the crazy releases on 2023.

ItsClobberinTime

I was too lazy to go back that far but yes that is correct, worst year in terms of damage since 2016 easily. The only one you can really make an argument for is White Tiger but even she isn't really a top 5 mystic.

NONYABIZZ

I have a r3 and no he does not compete with any of the good damage dealers we got before but he is arguably the best from this year and that says alot. My r1 guardian has more damage than the r3 unawakened. Even a r1 peni has more damage. I regret taking him to r3. My 6* r4 cheeilth is faster than him in ROL
His incinerate being changed to passive and another dot type will most likely not affect his damage but make able to take on more mutant defenders.
I'm talking about his overall damage. Unawakened at least and it's a 7* so nobody is gonna be putting sigs to JUST see DECENT damage

EdisonLaw

I just watched the deep dive and she seems like a mystic utility queen with all those spells.

ItsClobberinTime

100% utility queen, damage flopped unless it's a long fight but the utility is definitely off the charts.