Deep Dive: Enchantress

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  • PT_99PT_99 Member Posts: 4,505 ★★★★★

    PT_99 said:

    Remember everyone said Kate Bishop is **** when released, people even voted Shang instead of Kate for 7* selection 💀

    The difference between Kate's damage and Enchantress' in short fights is huge lol in the deep dive it took two sp1s and one sp2 to kill a same rank Galan with class advantage, Kate is usually done after the second sp1. Not only is Kate's damage way better but how is Enchantress' damage in short fights any different from Negasonic's? They require the same amount of power to kill a same rank defender and neither of them are able to punch a rank above, even Dave and KMike called her a defender mainly and gave her 3/5 in damage meaning Sable should be hitting hard than her 💀
    Enchantress Attack buff when ☹️
  • ItsClobberinTimeItsClobberinTime Member Posts: 5,444 ★★★★★
    PT_99 said:

    PT_99 said:

    Remember everyone said Kate Bishop is **** when released, people even voted Shang instead of Kate for 7* selection 💀

    The difference between Kate's damage and Enchantress' in short fights is huge lol in the deep dive it took two sp1s and one sp2 to kill a same rank Galan with class advantage, Kate is usually done after the second sp1. Not only is Kate's damage way better but how is Enchantress' damage in short fights any different from Negasonic's? They require the same amount of power to kill a same rank defender and neither of them are able to punch a rank above, even Dave and KMike called her a defender mainly and gave her 3/5 in damage meaning Sable should be hitting hard than her 💀
    Enchantress Attack buff when ☹️
    I lost all hope after Ironheart so I don't know lol.
  • Emilia90Emilia90 Member Posts: 3,450 ★★★★★

    PT_99 said:

    Remember everyone said Kate Bishop is **** when released, people even voted Shang instead of Kate for 7* selection 💀

    The difference between Kate's damage and Enchantress' in short fights is huge lol in the deep dive it took two sp1s and one sp2 to kill a same rank Galan with class advantage, Kate is usually done after the second sp1. Not only is Kate's damage way better but how is Enchantress' damage in short fights any different from Negasonic's? They require the same amount of power to kill a same rank defender and neither of them are able to punch a rank above, even Dave and KMike called her a defender mainly and gave her 3/5 in damage meaning Sable should be hitting hard than her 💀
    The numbers are very unreliable at this point but the 3/5 is a baseline with no spells according to DLL. Definitely has more damage than Negasonic for shorter fights imo but Negasonic hits like a pillow lmao
  • WednesdayLengthWednesdayLength Member Posts: 1,469 ★★★

    PT_99 said:

    Remember everyone said Kate Bishop is **** when released, people even voted Shang instead of Kate for 7* selection 💀

    The difference between Kate's damage and Enchantress' in short fights is huge lol in the deep dive it took two sp1s and one sp2 to kill a same rank Galan with class advantage, Kate is usually done after the second sp1. Not only is Kate's damage way better but how is Enchantress' damage in short fights any different from Negasonic's? They require the same amount of power to kill a same rank defender and neither of them are able to punch a rank above, even Dave and KMike called her a defender mainly and gave her 3/5 in damage meaning Sable should be hitting hard than her 💀
    The 3/5 was for general use play without actually using specific spells and just using a random spell rotation. If you're using specific spells and also in matches where you can take advantage of mystic dispersion she's gonna pop off hardcore
  • ItsClobberinTimeItsClobberinTime Member Posts: 5,444 ★★★★★
    Emilia90 said:

    PT_99 said:

    Remember everyone said Kate Bishop is **** when released, people even voted Shang instead of Kate for 7* selection 💀

    The difference between Kate's damage and Enchantress' in short fights is huge lol in the deep dive it took two sp1s and one sp2 to kill a same rank Galan with class advantage, Kate is usually done after the second sp1. Not only is Kate's damage way better but how is Enchantress' damage in short fights any different from Negasonic's? They require the same amount of power to kill a same rank defender and neither of them are able to punch a rank above, even Dave and KMike called her a defender mainly and gave her 3/5 in damage meaning Sable should be hitting hard than her 💀
    The numbers are very unreliable at this point but the 3/5 is a baseline with no spells according to DLL. Definitely has more damage than Negasonic for shorter fights imo but Negasonic hits like a pillow lmao
    How does she have more damage for short fights? They showed a short fight, same rank, class advantage and it took one sp2 two sp1s, that's Negasonic's rotation for a same rank Bullseye.
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 7,613 ★★★★★

    Emilia90 said:

    PT_99 said:

    Remember everyone said Kate Bishop is **** when released, people even voted Shang instead of Kate for 7* selection 💀

    The difference between Kate's damage and Enchantress' in short fights is huge lol in the deep dive it took two sp1s and one sp2 to kill a same rank Galan with class advantage, Kate is usually done after the second sp1. Not only is Kate's damage way better but how is Enchantress' damage in short fights any different from Negasonic's? They require the same amount of power to kill a same rank defender and neither of them are able to punch a rank above, even Dave and KMike called her a defender mainly and gave her 3/5 in damage meaning Sable should be hitting hard than her 💀
    The numbers are very unreliable at this point but the 3/5 is a baseline with no spells according to DLL. Definitely has more damage than Negasonic for shorter fights imo but Negasonic hits like a pillow lmao
    How does she have more damage for short fights? They showed a short fight, same rank, class advantage and it took one sp2 two sp1s, that's Negasonic's rotation for a same rank Bullseye.
    Well to be fair, that was a 7* Galan which we don’t have yet, so would she be faster against a 6*R5A Galan?
  • ItsClobberinTimeItsClobberinTime Member Posts: 5,444 ★★★★★

    PT_99 said:

    Remember everyone said Kate Bishop is **** when released, people even voted Shang instead of Kate for 7* selection 💀

    The difference between Kate's damage and Enchantress' in short fights is huge lol in the deep dive it took two sp1s and one sp2 to kill a same rank Galan with class advantage, Kate is usually done after the second sp1. Not only is Kate's damage way better but how is Enchantress' damage in short fights any different from Negasonic's? They require the same amount of power to kill a same rank defender and neither of them are able to punch a rank above, even Dave and KMike called her a defender mainly and gave her 3/5 in damage meaning Sable should be hitting hard than her 💀
    The 3/5 was for general use play without actually using specific spells and just using a random spell rotation. If you're using specific spells and also in matches where you can take advantage of mystic dispersion she's gonna pop off hardcore
    In long fights she will I don't doubt that, I don't see how she would pop off in short fights with that damage though. They even said it on the deep dive she's a ramp up champ.
  • ItsClobberinTimeItsClobberinTime Member Posts: 5,444 ★★★★★
    EdisonLaw said:

    Emilia90 said:

    PT_99 said:

    Remember everyone said Kate Bishop is **** when released, people even voted Shang instead of Kate for 7* selection 💀

    The difference between Kate's damage and Enchantress' in short fights is huge lol in the deep dive it took two sp1s and one sp2 to kill a same rank Galan with class advantage, Kate is usually done after the second sp1. Not only is Kate's damage way better but how is Enchantress' damage in short fights any different from Negasonic's? They require the same amount of power to kill a same rank defender and neither of them are able to punch a rank above, even Dave and KMike called her a defender mainly and gave her 3/5 in damage meaning Sable should be hitting hard than her 💀
    The numbers are very unreliable at this point but the 3/5 is a baseline with no spells according to DLL. Definitely has more damage than Negasonic for shorter fights imo but Negasonic hits like a pillow lmao
    How does she have more damage for short fights? They showed a short fight, same rank, class advantage and it took one sp2 two sp1s, that's Negasonic's rotation for a same rank Bullseye.
    Well to be fair, that was a 7* Galan which we don’t have yet, so would she be faster against a 6*R5A Galan?
    Any r3 vs a 6* is going to be faster even Negasonic, the fight showcased in the video was a 7* r3 vs a 7* r3, same rank so doesn't matter. That's why I'm asking how exactly her damage is better in short fights if the rotation was exactly the same.
    Negasonic is a noodle but Enchantress, with the exact same rotation, gets a pass cause of animations and design? Lol
  • ItsClobberinTimeItsClobberinTime Member Posts: 5,444 ★★★★★
    EdisonLaw said:

    https://youtu.be/Gct6q0CwKKg?si=UZ4BPBTI_FxdvXDL

    Well one person doesn’t like her lol

    That would be the second one, I'm the first one. Hating on her before the livestream even and I stand by that 😂
  • Emilia90Emilia90 Member Posts: 3,450 ★★★★★

    EdisonLaw said:

    https://youtu.be/Gct6q0CwKKg?si=UZ4BPBTI_FxdvXDL

    Well one person doesn’t like her lol

    That would be the second one, I'm the first one. Hating on her before the livestream even and I stand by that 😂
    KT seems to be prematurely judging her as a defender and saying she’s too complicated. Your issues are more so her damage in short fights but we’ll always remember you as the first hater lmao
  • KLZKLZ Member Posts: 279 ★★
    Kate should be nerfed :D
  • ItsClobberinTimeItsClobberinTime Member Posts: 5,444 ★★★★★
    Emilia90 said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    https://youtu.be/Gct6q0CwKKg?si=UZ4BPBTI_FxdvXDL

    Well one person doesn’t like her lol

    That would be the second one, I'm the first one. Hating on her before the livestream even and I stand by that 😂
    KT seems to be prematurely judging her as a defender and saying she’s too complicated. Your issues are more so her damage in short fights but we’ll always remember you as the first hater lmao
    I mean, he's not wrong though. I don't agree with the hating part due to her being too "complicated" but you can't deny that she is very complicated and will most likely take months for people to actually learn how to fight her 100%, she has a ton of abilities it feels like an Act 8 boss but for BGs.

    Thanks though, I will take the first spot gladly lmao.
  • Emilia90Emilia90 Member Posts: 3,450 ★★★★★

    Emilia90 said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    https://youtu.be/Gct6q0CwKKg?si=UZ4BPBTI_FxdvXDL

    Well one person doesn’t like her lol

    That would be the second one, I'm the first one. Hating on her before the livestream even and I stand by that 😂
    KT seems to be prematurely judging her as a defender and saying she’s too complicated. Your issues are more so her damage in short fights but we’ll always remember you as the first hater lmao
    I mean, he's not wrong though. I don't agree with the hating part due to her being too "complicated" but you can't deny that she is very complicated and will most likely take months for people to actually learn how to fight her 100%, she has a ton of abilities it feels like an Act 8 boss but for BGs.

    Thanks though, I will take the first spot gladly lmao.
    Oh yeah for sure. I just hope (from preliminary observations) that she’s more of a figure it out and you’ll get her down decently type of champ than anything. Serpent was peak lazy defensive design and if they are willing to give more 5/5 defenders, they should be interesting puzzles and not whatever serpent was

    Also unrelated but since we talked about damage numbers I just realized this morning that Ironheart was given a damage stat of 3/5 by the balance team. If I knew that from the start I wouldn’t have expected her to be tuned up. Sucks that she was placed that low to begin with and wasn’t given a refresh at least
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 7,613 ★★★★★
    Emilia90 said:

    Emilia90 said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    https://youtu.be/Gct6q0CwKKg?si=UZ4BPBTI_FxdvXDL

    Well one person doesn’t like her lol

    That would be the second one, I'm the first one. Hating on her before the livestream even and I stand by that 😂
    KT seems to be prematurely judging her as a defender and saying she’s too complicated. Your issues are more so her damage in short fights but we’ll always remember you as the first hater lmao
    I mean, he's not wrong though. I don't agree with the hating part due to her being too "complicated" but you can't deny that she is very complicated and will most likely take months for people to actually learn how to fight her 100%, she has a ton of abilities it feels like an Act 8 boss but for BGs.

    Thanks though, I will take the first spot gladly lmao.
    Oh yeah for sure. I just hope (from preliminary observations) that she’s more of a figure it out and you’ll get her down decently type of champ than anything. Serpent was peak lazy defensive design and if they are willing to give more 5/5 defenders, they should be interesting puzzles and not whatever serpent was

    Also unrelated but since we talked about damage numbers I just realized this morning that Ironheart was given a damage stat of 3/5 by the balance team. If I knew that from the start I wouldn’t have expected her to be tuned up. Sucks that she was placed that low to begin with and wasn’t given a refresh at least
    No wonder why people are saying her damage isn’t enough
  • ItsClobberinTimeItsClobberinTime Member Posts: 5,444 ★★★★★
    Emilia90 said:

    Emilia90 said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    https://youtu.be/Gct6q0CwKKg?si=UZ4BPBTI_FxdvXDL

    Well one person doesn’t like her lol

    That would be the second one, I'm the first one. Hating on her before the livestream even and I stand by that 😂
    KT seems to be prematurely judging her as a defender and saying she’s too complicated. Your issues are more so her damage in short fights but we’ll always remember you as the first hater lmao
    I mean, he's not wrong though. I don't agree with the hating part due to her being too "complicated" but you can't deny that she is very complicated and will most likely take months for people to actually learn how to fight her 100%, she has a ton of abilities it feels like an Act 8 boss but for BGs.

    Thanks though, I will take the first spot gladly lmao.
    Oh yeah for sure. I just hope (from preliminary observations) that she’s more of a figure it out and you’ll get her down decently type of champ than anything. Serpent was peak lazy defensive design and if they are willing to give more 5/5 defenders, they should be interesting puzzles and not whatever serpent was

    Also unrelated but since we talked about damage numbers I just realized this morning that Ironheart was given a damage stat of 3/5 by the balance team. If I knew that from the start I wouldn’t have expected her to be tuned up. Sucks that she was placed that low to begin with and wasn’t given a refresh at least
    She definitely seems to be the type of defender you can eventually counter with enough practice which I do like, the one thing I don't like is that they're releasing BRB first so Enchantress isn't going to be in the next featured and since she's going to be a meta defender now I have to ban her for the next 3-4 months cause ain't no way I'm spending $100 on this game they lost that privilege after they did what they did to Ironheart.
    As for Serpent, he shouldn't have ever been thing, literally no skill involved just 100% bs I don't know how they didn't realize how absolutely busted he was from the beginning. There isn't a single meta relevant champ that can kill him in under 50 atm, nobody. AA, Rintrah, Hulkling, Chavez, Tigra, Torch, Red Guardian you name it nothing works. Some of these can do the fight but none of them finish in under 50 unless they're punching down a rank.

    Never noticed that, I wish I'd known that before I took her to r2. Damage definitely checks out though, I had a match against ROL WS the other day where I got zero armor buffs and the sp2 did less than 200k, for a r2 7* that is absolutely pathetic.
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  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 7,613 ★★★★★

    Emilia90 said:

    Emilia90 said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    https://youtu.be/Gct6q0CwKKg?si=UZ4BPBTI_FxdvXDL

    Well one person doesn’t like her lol

    That would be the second one, I'm the first one. Hating on her before the livestream even and I stand by that 😂
    KT seems to be prematurely judging her as a defender and saying she’s too complicated. Your issues are more so her damage in short fights but we’ll always remember you as the first hater lmao
    I mean, he's not wrong though. I don't agree with the hating part due to her being too "complicated" but you can't deny that she is very complicated and will most likely take months for people to actually learn how to fight her 100%, she has a ton of abilities it feels like an Act 8 boss but for BGs.

    Thanks though, I will take the first spot gladly lmao.
    Oh yeah for sure. I just hope (from preliminary observations) that she’s more of a figure it out and you’ll get her down decently type of champ than anything. Serpent was peak lazy defensive design and if they are willing to give more 5/5 defenders, they should be interesting puzzles and not whatever serpent was

    Also unrelated but since we talked about damage numbers I just realized this morning that Ironheart was given a damage stat of 3/5 by the balance team. If I knew that from the start I wouldn’t have expected her to be tuned up. Sucks that she was placed that low to begin with and wasn’t given a refresh at least
    She definitely seems to be the type of defender you can eventually counter with enough practice which I do like, the one thing I don't like is that they're releasing BRB first so Enchantress isn't going to be in the next featured and since she's going to be a meta defender now I have to ban her for the next 3-4 months cause ain't no way I'm spending $100 on this game they lost that privilege after they did what they did to Ironheart.
    As for Serpent, he shouldn't have ever been thing, literally no skill involved just 100% bs I don't know how they didn't realize how absolutely busted he was from the beginning. There isn't a single meta relevant champ that can kill him in under 50 atm, nobody. AA, Rintrah, Hulkling, Chavez, Tigra, Torch, Red Guardian you name it nothing works. Some of these can do the fight but none of them finish in under 50 unless they're punching down a rank.

    Never noticed that, I wish I'd known that before I took her to r2. Damage definitely checks out though, I had a match against ROL WS the other day where I got zero armor buffs and the sp2 did less than 200k, for a r2 7* that is absolutely pathetic.
    Guardian > Ironheart
  • TheCoverGirlTheCoverGirl Member Posts: 89 ★★
    edited August 6


    As for Serpent, he shouldn't have ever been thing, literally no skill involved just 100% bs I don't know how they didn't realize how absolutely busted he was from the beginning. There isn't a single meta relevant champ that can kill him in under 50 atm, nobody. AA, Rintrah, Hulkling, Chavez, Tigra, Torch, Red Guardian you name it nothing works. Some of these can do the fight but none of them finish in under 50 unless they're punching down a rank.
    .


    Have you tried CGR?
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