Maestro vs Attuma

Both benefit a ton from the r3, but who do you give the edge to on defense?

Personally I think Attuma has less counters (though at r3, not all of the champs that work for Maestro can get it done).

However, i feel like since Serpent is in the game, his presence will call for more counters naturally, which could in turn make Maestro's value drop

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Cloudddey_bro

I struggle with high sig attuma much more. I constantly nuke maestro even at r3 with Chavez, cgr, kate, and Kushala. With Attuma I always have to intercept which is harder to do with the ai state, or take hella block damage from baiting heavies. Not to mention thorns damage.

captain_rogers

I mean people always have some maestro counters in their roster (chavez, kush, juggs, abs man and others) but people do rarely have counters for attuma.

I myself only have abs man and shuri as the only counters, maybe archangel if you count him. There are very less meta champs who can bypass his thorns.

Nemesis_17

I mean people always have some maestro counters in their roster (chavez, kush, juggs, abs man and others) but people do rarely have counters for attuma.

I myself only have abs man and shuri as the only counters, maybe archangel if you count him. There are very less meta champs who can bypass his thorns.

No onslaught, cgr, juggs, Chavez, Havok, Kate, scorp? Maybe an r3 attuma would make some of the options unusable, but there’s quite a few champs who can mitigate the thorns enough to get a win. Maybe not hard counter it but managed at least.

EdisonLaw

Maestro since at r3 he won’t get nuked as faat by champs like Kate.

Ercarret

I myself only have abs man and shuri as the only counters, maybe archangel if you count him. There are very less meta champs who can bypass his thorns.

Wouldn't AA's neuroshocks make Attuma's ability accuracy shoot through the roof, leading you to take a ton of reflected daamge?

To answer OP's question, I'll say this: I would personally rank up Attuma. I know you're asking for defensive advice, but I really value Attuma's ability to reverse ability accuracy modifications. I haven't used him a lot on attack (so do take this with a grain of salt), but that one ability makes me really curious about if he can't take a fair few fights that are always super annoying with other champions. I used him against the Crucible Modok and he worked great since each disorient he got from blocking increased his defensive ability accuracy instead of reducing it. I think it still reduced his block proficiency since that isn't ability accuracy per se, which was a little annoying, but it still allowed him easy openings against Modok.

I'm going to try him out against EOP Hercules and see if I can't make those concussions work in my favor. I'm curious about a lot of these kinds of interactions. I find that a really cool ability, but as I said, I haven't actually tested it out yet in too many scenarios.

captain_rogers

I mean people always have some maestro counters in their roster (chavez, kush, juggs, abs man and others) but people do rarely have counters for attuma.

I myself only have abs man and shuri as the only counters, maybe archangel if you count him. There are very less meta champs who can bypass his thorns.
No onslaught, cgr, juggs, Chavez, Havok, Kate, scorp? Maybe an r3 attuma would make some of the options unusable, but there’s quite a few champs who can mitigate the thorns enough to get a win. Maybe not hard counter it but managed at least.

Yeah Onslaught is a good counter, but doesn't cgr, chavez and juggs take huge reflect damage?Kate works, most players don't run havok but he is a great counter.

PT_99

Both are equally tight defenders, I'll say Maestro takes the cake due to his unavoidable "energy" or whatever damage.

007Bishop

People barely die to Maestro atp. He gets nuked by so many champions even before his unavoidable damage kicks in

Squidopus

I mean people always have some maestro counters in their roster (chavez, kush, juggs, abs man and others) but people do rarely have counters for attuma.

I myself only have abs man and shuri as the only counters, maybe archangel if you count him. There are very less meta champs who can bypass his thorns.
No onslaught, cgr, juggs, Chavez, Havok, Kate, scorp? Maybe an r3 attuma would make some of the options unusable, but there’s quite a few champs who can mitigate the thorns enough to get a win. Maybe not hard counter it but managed at least.
Yeah Onslaught is a good counter, but doesn't cgr, chavez and juggs take huge reflect damage?Kate works, most players don't run havok but he is a great counter.

Juggs works very well against Attuma since he can use unstoppable to get quick openings without parry, takes 25% less thorns damage bc of the gem, and can just generally nuke Attuma fast enough. I am however very much confused by the CGR and Chavez mention, I’ve basically never seen those 2 pulled out against my own Attuma and they have absolutely no defense against the thorns besides non-contact specials which usually isn’t enough. If anything, CGR in particular is pretty annoyed by being unable to parry no?

Squidopus

I do sorta agree with the posited opinion that Maestro’s value has gone down a bit with Serpent forcing so many big-hitting mystics that also handle Maestro. I know any competent deck has at least 5 very good Maestro counters almost incidentally, but people don’t really build against Attuma as much and that can be a problem, especially since his AA reversal and concussions can pose interesting challenges with certain nodes. He’s not quite as killer as Maestro if the opponent doesn’t draft a counter, but he’s still enough to cause losses.

Azdef

I mean people always have some maestro counters in their roster (chavez, kush, juggs, abs man and others) but people do rarely have counters for attuma.

I myself only have abs man and shuri as the only counters, maybe archangel if you count him. There are very less meta champs who can bypass his thorns.
No onslaught, cgr, juggs, Chavez, Havok, Kate, scorp? Maybe an r3 attuma would make some of the options unusable, but there’s quite a few champs who can mitigate the thorns enough to get a win. Maybe not hard counter it but managed at least.
Yeah Onslaught is a good counter, but doesn't cgr, chavez and juggs take huge reflect damage?Kate works, most players don't run havok but he is a great counter.
Juggs works very well against Attuma since he can use unstoppable to get quick openings without parry, takes 25% less thorns damage bc of the gem, and can just generally nuke Attuma fast enough. I am however very much confused by the CGR and Chavez mention, I’ve basically never seen those 2 pulled out against my own Attuma and they have absolutely no defense against the thorns besides non-contact specials which usually isn’t enough. If anything, CGR in particular is pretty annoyed by being unable to parry no?

You heavy counter his heavy to start and then the usual rotation is enough to get him down in 1 Sp2 mostly. You do take damage but the fight is pretty quick. AA is also pretty quick but again, you do take damage. Never used Chavez against him.

Nemesis_17

I mean people always have some maestro counters in their roster (chavez, kush, juggs, abs man and others) but people do rarely have counters for attuma.

I myself only have abs man and shuri as the only counters, maybe archangel if you count him. There are very less meta champs who can bypass his thorns.
No onslaught, cgr, juggs, Chavez, Havok, Kate, scorp? Maybe an r3 attuma would make some of the options unusable, but there’s quite a few champs who can mitigate the thorns enough to get a win. Maybe not hard counter it but managed at least.
Yeah Onslaught is a good counter, but doesn't cgr, chavez and juggs take huge reflect damage?Kate works, most players don't run havok but he is a great counter.
Juggs works very well against Attuma since he can use unstoppable to get quick openings without parry, takes 25% less thorns damage bc of the gem, and can just generally nuke Attuma fast enough. I am however very much confused by the CGR and Chavez mention, I’ve basically never seen those 2 pulled out against my own Attuma and they have absolutely no defense against the thorns besides non-contact specials which usually isn’t enough. If anything, CGR in particular is pretty annoyed by being unable to parry no?

The cgr matchup is very similar to Cgr against onslaught. You can’t parry so you have bait heavies without dexing and punish to get your judgements up. It’s tricky to not dex but very consistent once you get it down, and Cgr’s block proficiency is so high that the damage you take from baiting heavies is minimal. You will however take thorns damage, but if all goes to plan and you don’t dex the fight should be over in 30s. A 30s fight with 80% health is a very solid score. Not unbeatable, but will win most matches. I’m also kinda surprised you haven’t seen this matchup before because I see it all the time. (Mostly in YT streams bc I don’t have attuma and rarely encounter him)

Chavez was the one I was unsure of working against an r3 as it might be just too much chip damage for her. The idea was to trigger her regen on the sp2 to heal back a decent amount of the chip damage she takes, but I haven’t really tested it or seen it done. I think she’s a potential backup option if you don’t have one of the others mentioned, but I don’t think you’ll have a terrible time using Chavez unless maybe punching up a rank.

Squidopus

I mean people always have some maestro counters in their roster (chavez, kush, juggs, abs man and others) but people do rarely have counters for attuma.

I myself only have abs man and shuri as the only counters, maybe archangel if you count him. There are very less meta champs who can bypass his thorns.
No onslaught, cgr, juggs, Chavez, Havok, Kate, scorp? Maybe an r3 attuma would make some of the options unusable, but there’s quite a few champs who can mitigate the thorns enough to get a win. Maybe not hard counter it but managed at least.
Yeah Onslaught is a good counter, but doesn't cgr, chavez and juggs take huge reflect damage?Kate works, most players don't run havok but he is a great counter.
Juggs works very well against Attuma since he can use unstoppable to get quick openings without parry, takes 25% less thorns damage bc of the gem, and can just generally nuke Attuma fast enough. I am however very much confused by the CGR and Chavez mention, I’ve basically never seen those 2 pulled out against my own Attuma and they have absolutely no defense against the thorns besides non-contact specials which usually isn’t enough. If anything, CGR in particular is pretty annoyed by being unable to parry no?
The cgr matchup is very similar to Cgr against onslaught. You can’t parry so you have bait heavies without dexing and punish to get your judgements up. It’s tricky to not dex but very consistent once you get it down, and Cgr’s block proficiency is so high that the damage you take from baiting heavies is minimal. You will however take thorns damage, but if all goes to plan and you don’t dex the fight should be over in 30s. A 30s fight with 80% health is a very solid score. Not unbeatable, but will win most matches. I’m also kinda surprised you haven’t seen this matchup before because I see it all the time. (Mostly in YT streams bc I don’t have attuma and rarely encounter him)

Chavez was the one I was unsure of working against an r3 as it might be just too much chip damage for her. The idea was to trigger her regen on the sp2 to heal back a decent amount of the chip damage she takes, but I haven’t really tested it or seen it done. I think she’s a potential backup option if you don’t have one of the others mentioned, but I don’t think you’ll have a terrible time using Chavez unless maybe punching up a rank.

Yeah I’ll concede the CGR point, I don’t use him much myself so that seems reasonable. In fairness I’m now realizing I haven’t seen him pulled out as much lately largely because I’ve been banning CGR in bgs all the time; him being tactic and working very well on the last few node sets meant I didn’t want to leave him open. I still don’t know that I’d trust Chavez though, I can see it working but it definitely seems like more of a “push come to shove” sorta thing like you suggested.

Nemesis_17

I mean people always have some maestro counters in their roster (chavez, kush, juggs, abs man and others) but people do rarely have counters for attuma.

I myself only have abs man and shuri as the only counters, maybe archangel if you count him. There are very less meta champs who can bypass his thorns.
No onslaught, cgr, juggs, Chavez, Havok, Kate, scorp? Maybe an r3 attuma would make some of the options unusable, but there’s quite a few champs who can mitigate the thorns enough to get a win. Maybe not hard counter it but managed at least.
Yeah Onslaught is a good counter, but doesn't cgr, chavez and juggs take huge reflect damage?Kate works, most players don't run havok but he is a great counter.
Juggs works very well against Attuma since he can use unstoppable to get quick openings without parry, takes 25% less thorns damage bc of the gem, and can just generally nuke Attuma fast enough. I am however very much confused by the CGR and Chavez mention, I’ve basically never seen those 2 pulled out against my own Attuma and they have absolutely no defense against the thorns besides non-contact specials which usually isn’t enough. If anything, CGR in particular is pretty annoyed by being unable to parry no?
The cgr matchup is very similar to Cgr against onslaught. You can’t parry so you have bait heavies without dexing and punish to get your judgements up. It’s tricky to not dex but very consistent once you get it down, and Cgr’s block proficiency is so high that the damage you take from baiting heavies is minimal. You will however take thorns damage, but if all goes to plan and you don’t dex the fight should be over in 30s. A 30s fight with 80% health is a very solid score. Not unbeatable, but will win most matches. I’m also kinda surprised you haven’t seen this matchup before because I see it all the time. (Mostly in YT streams bc I don’t have attuma and rarely encounter him)

Chavez was the one I was unsure of working against an r3 as it might be just too much chip damage for her. The idea was to trigger her regen on the sp2 to heal back a decent amount of the chip damage she takes, but I haven’t really tested it or seen it done. I think she’s a potential backup option if you don’t have one of the others mentioned, but I don’t think you’ll have a terrible time using Chavez unless maybe punching up a rank.
Yeah I’ll concede the CGR point, I don’t use him much myself so that seems reasonable. In fairness I’m now realizing I haven’t seen him pulled out as much lately largely because I’ve been banning CGR in bgs all the time; him being tactic and working very well on the last few node sets meant I didn’t want to leave him open. I still don’t know that I’d trust Chavez though, I can see it working but it definitely seems like more of a “push come to shove” sorta thing like you suggested.

Understandable, I’ve been considering banning Cgr now as well since he just counters so much. Chavez was the only counter I mentioned sheerly out of “this seems like it would work” and not “I’ve seen this fight been done before.” For the sake of argument I’m totally fine dropping Chavez from the original list I mentioned, I stand by the others though.

Magrailothos

I myself only have abs man and shuri as the only counters, maybe archangel if you count him. There are very less meta champs who can bypass his thorns.
Wouldn't AA's neuroshocks make Attuma's ability accuracy shoot through the roof, leading you to take a ton of reflected damage?

To answer OP's question, I'll say this: I would personally rank up Attuma. I know you're asking for defensive advice, but I really value Attuma's ability to reverse ability accuracy modifications....that one ability makes me really curious about if he can't take a fair few fights that are always super annoying with other champions.... I find that a really cool ability, but as I said, I haven't actually tested it out yet in too many scenarios.

I did exactly the same - he's decent on offense, especially post-SP3. But it's the ability to not just ignore, but get stronger with effects like concussions and disorient that's really intriguing.

Just a few things I've noted, looking for ways to utilise this reversal of ability accuracy modification:

Kabam loves nodes that inflict concussion/Disorient if you do things like Parry, knockdown, hit into block or do "deja vu" attacks. Attuma is great on these nodes.
Archangel, Apocalypse and Mister Sinister all reduce the opponent's Shrug-off ability accuracy: this is great for Attuma. And yes, Neurotoxins do increase his ability accuracy, so whilst I don't recommend using that offensively, AA isn't an ideal Attacker vs Attuma.
He's actually not at all bad for Mister Sinister (for a Skill champion): not fast, but his Thorns damage can't be regenerated, and if you use short combos to push Sinister to SP2, you can take advantage of the concussion for additional Thorns damage, or Purify it for another concussion.
Arcade reduces the ability accuracy of his opponent's True Strike/True Accuracy: Attuma laughs at this. Peni does the same; unfortunately for Attuma the Power Burn still triggers even if the Autoblock doesn't...
Hulkbuster and Warlock both reduce the opponents offensive ability accuracy: again, great for Attuma.
He's predictable decent against both versions of Black widow, Falcon, Crossbones, Elektra and Masacre.
Opponents with Glancing? Maestro, Storm X, CAIW, Sersi and Ant-Man... Attuma loves Glancing for a serious increase to his Thorns damage.
Having trouble parrying Red Skull? Attuma doesn't... And autoblock isn't really an issue for him, either.

So: a solid option (not perfect, but useable) for a few meta defenders like Maestro, Red Skull, Sinister, and Arcade. And a better defender than you might expect against Archangel, Apocalypse, Crossbones, etc

Definitely worth remembering that he's a decent (backup) offensive option even in Battlegrounds; and he can handle some really annoying Questing nodes 🙂

captain_rogers

@Magrailothos @Ercarret

Just want to add he is great in true lies node, which kabam loves to spam in any evade/autoblock matchup.

Also he sucks in incursions as the increased ability nodes actually decerease his AAR.

Polygon

I myself only have abs man and shuri as the only counters, maybe archangel if you count him. There are very less meta champs who can bypass his thorns.
Wouldn't AA's neuroshocks make Attuma's ability accuracy shoot through the roof, leading you to take a ton of reflected daamge?

To answer OP's question, I'll say this: I would personally rank up Attuma. I know you're asking for defensive advice, but I really value Attuma's ability to reverse ability accuracy modifications. I haven't used him a lot on attack (so do take this with a grain of salt), but that one ability makes me really curious about if he can't take a fair few fights that are always super annoying with other champions. I used him against the Crucible Modok and he worked great since each disorient he got from blocking increased his defensive ability accuracy instead of reducing it. I think it still reduced his block proficiency since that isn't ability accuracy per se, which was a little annoying, but it still allowed him easy openings against Modok.

I'm going to try him out against EOP Hercules and see if I can't make those concussions work in my favor. I'm curious about a lot of these kinds of interactions. I find that a really cool ability, but as I said, I haven't actually tested it out yet in too many scenarios.

Insightful post @Ercarret i completely forgot about the disorient nodes that ive noticed Kabam loves to put on Modok. I knew he had attacker value but its nice that he has a bread and butter in AA reducing nodes or champs

Squidopus

I like seeing the Attuma offense appreciation so I’ll add a few notes of my own:

• Attuma does suffer a bit in incursions since the AA increase hacks decrease his AA instead, but it’s not a dealbreaker at all. Remember most of them cause up to -50% decrease, which is completely cancelled out by a single personal concussion debuff. He’s more than capable of “fighting through it” and benefits from a lot of other hacks like the ones that work with his unstoppable.
• If you come across the extend node (like in the previous GC meta that just ended), that also boosts Attuma’s concussion duration. You can go absolutely nuts there and Attuma saved me in a few bg matches where I was otherwise screwed.
• 90% bleed debuff resist at max sig is real nice for a class that has little in the way of immunities or resistances. If you run a point in coagulate that becomes a full 100%. I used him for that biohazard MODOK boss last month to great effect since he also countered his autoblock and regen reversal on sp1.
• Attuma’s AA reversal also extends to neutralize. Since he has no buffs besides dex (which can’t trigger multiple times until it fails like his thorns), he can’t get punished for buff failure by champs and nodes. This includes Rintrah’s power gain, Wiccan’s incinerate, and now Enchantress’s power steal from sig.

captain_rogers

Wanna add this, the devs really put a lot of thought in attuma design. Since he start with permanent concussions and he only gets true strike after sp1, quake can completely cheese him. To avoid this, they added power gain whenever opponent evades.

captain_rogers

I like seeing the Attuma offense appreciation so I’ll add a few notes of my own:

• Attuma does suffer a bit in incursions since the AA increase hacks decrease his AA instead, but it’s not a dealbreaker at all. Remember most of them cause up to -50% decrease, which is completely cancelled out by a single personal concussion debuff. He’s more than capable of “fighting through it” and benefits from a lot of other hacks like the ones that work with his unstoppable.
• If you come across the extend node (like in the previous GC meta that just ended), that also boosts Attuma’s concussion duration. You can go absolutely nuts there and Attuma saved me in a few bg matches where I was otherwise screwed.
• 90% bleed debuff resist at max sig is real nice for a class that has little in the way of immunities or resistances. If you run a point in coagulate that becomes a full 100%. I used him for that biohazard MODOK boss last month to great effect since he also countered his autoblock and regen reversal on sp1.
• Attuma’s AA reversal also extends to neutralize. Since he has no buffs besides dex (which can’t trigger multiple times until it fails like his thorns), he can’t get punished for buff failure by champs and nodes. This includes Rintrah’s power gain, Wiccan’s incinerate, and now Enchantress’s power steal from sig.

I wonder, since he triggers his abilities multiple times if the accuracy of the abilities are above 100%, will he trigger the dex buff 3 times while under rintrah's neutralize effect?

EdisonLaw

I like seeing the Attuma offense appreciation so I’ll add a few notes of my own:

• Attuma does suffer a bit in incursions since the AA increase hacks decrease his AA instead, but it’s not a dealbreaker at all. Remember most of them cause up to -50% decrease, which is completely cancelled out by a single personal concussion debuff. He’s more than capable of “fighting through it” and benefits from a lot of other hacks like the ones that work with his unstoppable.
• If you come across the extend node (like in the previous GC meta that just ended), that also boosts Attuma’s concussion duration. You can go absolutely nuts there and Attuma saved me in a few bg matches where I was otherwise screwed.
• 90% bleed debuff resist at max sig is real nice for a class that has little in the way of immunities or resistances. If you run a point in coagulate that becomes a full 100%. I used him for that biohazard MODOK boss last month to great effect since he also countered his autoblock and regen reversal on sp1.
• Attuma’s AA reversal also extends to neutralize. Since he has no buffs besides dex (which can’t trigger multiple times until it fails like his thorns), he can’t get punished for buff failure by champs and nodes. This includes Rintrah’s power gain, Wiccan’s incinerate, and now Enchantress’s power steal from sig.
I wonder, since he triggers his abilities multiple times if the accuracy of the abilities are above 100%, will he trigger the dex buff 3 times while under rintrah's neutralize effect?

I don’t think so, he’ll just have 3 times the likelihood to trigger dexterity,

EdisonLaw

I like seeing the Attuma offense appreciation so I’ll add a few notes of my own:

• Attuma does suffer a bit in incursions since the AA increase hacks decrease his AA instead, but it’s not a dealbreaker at all. Remember most of them cause up to -50% decrease, which is completely cancelled out by a single personal concussion debuff. He’s more than capable of “fighting through it” and benefits from a lot of other hacks like the ones that work with his unstoppable.
• If you come across the extend node (like in the previous GC meta that just ended), that also boosts Attuma’s concussion duration. You can go absolutely nuts there and Attuma saved me in a few bg matches where I was otherwise screwed.
• 90% bleed debuff resist at max sig is real nice for a class that has little in the way of immunities or resistances. If you run a point in coagulate that becomes a full 100%. I used him for that biohazard MODOK boss last month to great effect since he also countered his autoblock and regen reversal on sp1.
• Attuma’s AA reversal also extends to neutralize. Since he has no buffs besides dex (which can’t trigger multiple times until it fails like his thorns), he can’t get punished for buff failure by champs and nodes. This includes Rintrah’s power gain, Wiccan’s incinerate, and now Enchantress’s power steal from sig.

So he’s a good counter to neutralize then?

Polygon

I like seeing the Attuma offense appreciation so I’ll add a few notes of my own:

• Attuma does suffer a bit in incursions since the AA increase hacks decrease his AA instead, but it’s not a dealbreaker at all. Remember most of them cause up to -50% decrease, which is completely cancelled out by a single personal concussion debuff. He’s more than capable of “fighting through it” and benefits from a lot of other hacks like the ones that work with his unstoppable.
• If you come across the extend node (like in the previous GC meta that just ended), that also boosts Attuma’s concussion duration. You can go absolutely nuts there and Attuma saved me in a few bg matches where I was otherwise screwed.
• 90% bleed debuff resist at max sig is real nice for a class that has little in the way of immunities or resistances. If you run a point in coagulate that becomes a full 100%. I used him for that biohazard MODOK boss last month to great effect since he also countered his autoblock and regen reversal on sp1.
• Attuma’s AA reversal also extends to neutralize. Since he has no buffs besides dex (which can’t trigger multiple times until it fails like his thorns), he can’t get punished for buff failure by champs and nodes. This includes Rintrah’s power gain, Wiccan’s incinerate, and now Enchantress’s power steal from sig.

Aside from the max sig benefit for bleed, and this might be a hot take, but I think he benefits the most from any 7* skill champ in regards to sig stones.

It doesn't scale that well, but the extra concussions at the start is massive for defense, its basically like Dominos sig in that it increases guaranteed damage if they dont have a counter

Squidopus

I like seeing the Attuma offense appreciation so I’ll add a few notes of my own:

• Attuma does suffer a bit in incursions since the AA increase hacks decrease his AA instead, but it’s not a dealbreaker at all. Remember most of them cause up to -50% decrease, which is completely cancelled out by a single personal concussion debuff. He’s more than capable of “fighting through it” and benefits from a lot of other hacks like the ones that work with his unstoppable.
• If you come across the extend node (like in the previous GC meta that just ended), that also boosts Attuma’s concussion duration. You can go absolutely nuts there and Attuma saved me in a few bg matches where I was otherwise screwed.
• 90% bleed debuff resist at max sig is real nice for a class that has little in the way of immunities or resistances. If you run a point in coagulate that becomes a full 100%. I used him for that biohazard MODOK boss last month to great effect since he also countered his autoblock and regen reversal on sp1.
• Attuma’s AA reversal also extends to neutralize. Since he has no buffs besides dex (which can’t trigger multiple times until it fails like his thorns), he can’t get punished for buff failure by champs and nodes. This includes Rintrah’s power gain, Wiccan’s incinerate, and now Enchantress’s power steal from sig.
I wonder, since he triggers his abilities multiple times if the accuracy of the abilities are above 100%, will he trigger the dex buff 3 times while under rintrah's neutralize effect?

No, only Attuma’s listed abilities with a blue percentage have the ability to trigger multiple times if it has >100% chance. Any other abilities, such as the dex buff, behave normally.

ItsClobberinTime

While I do agree that Attuma has less counters, the problem is Attuma is a lot more squishy. You can easily beat a r3 Attuma with a r2 Negasonic or Shuri in 50-55 and get away with it, whereas against Maestro, the fight is going to be very long unless your Kushala Chavez or Dog are r3 too.

JT_Supreme

I have both at r3 and Attuma does get nuked easier, but normally with some damage taken. Maestros been more solid for me in bg.

Polygon

I have both at r3 and Attuma does get nuked easier, but normally with some damage taken. Maestros been more solid for me in bg.

@JT_Supreme How much health do they end up at when theyre using non counters with big damage? Its probably less than 48k score if your attuma is high sig

JT_Supreme

I have both at r3 and Attuma does get nuked easier, but normally with some damage taken. Maestros been more solid for me in bg.
@JT_Supreme How much health do they end up at when theyre using non counters with big damage? Its probably less than 48k score if your attuma is high sig

Well my Attuma is not duped lol, so if there’s not a counter he still can wreck. But cgr can take him in 30 seconds about 48k.