In your opinion, should serpent have been nerfed?

JahlilFTW

.

FrostGiantLord

yes

He didn't really need a nerf, he needed more of a rebalance/rework. Make him a little worse on defense, but make up for it with a damage boost to make him a more well-rounded champ

Jack2634

yes

people saying no def do not crushed by him enough. Even in arena that mf is a living nightmare and i rather quit than trying to get points from him

Wicket329

no

I would be willing to bet that we get at least two more Serpent counters before 2025.

Next month we have Shathra and Nefaria. Shathra is mystic and likely to be more of an attacker than a defender. Nefaria, according to the line of text posted with his animations, is a regen and power gain controller. Both of these have potential for shutting down Serpent.

Additionally, in his discussion on Vega’s stream, Kabam Crashed said that there are a number (I believe four) of thus far unannounced champion buffs coming before the end of the year. I think at least one of those will be a mystic Serpent counter. Personally, I’m hoping it’s Loki because I think it would be rad if Loki just womped Serpent.

Anyway, I think this is why Kabam didn’t tune Serpent. They saw that his counters do a good job of potatotizing him, and they know something we don’t.

Emilia90

yes

He’s not getting one now but he’s he should’ve been nerfed. Can we get the rebalance thread to 100 disagrees though, would make me feel happy lmao

Terminatrix

yes

JahlilFTW said:

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I vote yes even though I have both 6* and 7*, and found out that Shuri and Photon can counter him lol. My main issue is his constant power gain when facing him on defense. It's too much.

JahlilFTW

yes

For those saying no, please elaborate

Terminatrix

yes

JahlilFTW said:

For those saying no, please elaborate

Lmfao

captain_rogers

no

JahlilFTW said:

For those saying no, please elaborate

We got one at high rank 🤣.

Wicket329

no

FrostGiantLord said:

He didn't really need a nerf, he needed more of a rebalance/rework. Make him a little worse on defense, but make up for it with a damage boost to make him a more well-rounded champ

Serpent is absolutely cracked in questing. Any content that lets you ramp him up he can do insane damage, he does not need an offensive tune up.

ItsClobberinTime

yes

Wicket329 said:

I would be willing to bet that we get at least two more Serpent counters before 2025.

Next month we have Shathra and Nefaria. Shathra is mystic and likely to be more of an attacker than a defender. Nefaria, according to the line of text posted with his animations, is a regen and power gain controller. Both of these have potential for shutting down Serpent.

Additionally, in his discussion on Vega’s stream, Kabam Crashed said that there are a number (I believe four) of thus far unannounced champion buffs coming before the end of the year. I think at least one of those will be a mystic Serpent counter. Personally, I’m hoping it’s Loki because I think it would be rad if Loki just womped Serpent.

Anyway, I think this is why Kabam didn’t tune Serpent. They saw that his counters do a good job of potatotizing him, and they know something we don’t.

Hate to break it to you but DLL said there will never be another Galan Peni situation, so no, nobody is going to be potatotizing Serpent unless (like Patriot and Negasonic) they have mid damage that's just not viable in BGs unless you're a Gold 3 scrub.

Polygon

no

I thought i was he going to get a buff

Yukzii_II

yes

Wicket329 said:

I would be willing to bet that we get at least two more Serpent counters before 2025.

Next month we have Shathra and Nefaria. Shathra is mystic and likely to be more of an attacker than a defender. Nefaria, according to the line of text posted with his animations, is a regen and power gain controller. Both of these have potential for shutting down Serpent.

Additionally, in his discussion on Vega’s stream, Kabam Crashed said that there are a number (I believe four) of thus far unannounced champion buffs coming before the end of the year. I think at least one of those will be a mystic Serpent counter. Personally, I’m hoping it’s Loki because I think it would be rad if Loki just womped Serpent.

Anyway, I think this is why Kabam didn’t tune Serpent. They saw that his counters do a good job of potatotizing him, and they know something we don’t.

ah yes, Kabam want us to wait until they release a hard counter, so we can spend all our money on them. They then will rebalance the Serpent counter too 😂

Chief_Wiggum

no

Post on this on one of the other threads.
Not sure why anyone is surprised by serpent staying as is...
They advertised him and designed him as a top defender in this game.
If he can be nuked consistently in 40s or less then it wouldn't be much of a defender.
If we had no hard defenders then bg and war would be only who can kill faster... and that will put the game into a decline when it is all bout memorised action/reactions and who can do it faster. Even top level players will be bored if AW is consistently zero deaths because defenders are all simple and straight forward.

I guarantee you the same people calling Kabam incompetent or stupid for Serpent/Enchantress release will be saying the same thing if we had Groots and Beast level defenders. Even slightly annoying champs Aarkus or Toad isn't up to being a serious defender as they all have easy counters. Anything new at that level will be called mid and deemed a waste of time. A few tubers just love being outrage merchants and many people fall for their shtick.

Bullseye only got adjusted as there was a mechanic that wasn't intended to punish when they were not being hit and they took out the bleed while dexing from basic attacks as it is completely illogical.

Anyone remember the outrage when Absman was released on how impossible he was? now he's a mid level defender. Serpent isn't going to fall that far but as people learn how to play him.. the more ways he can be countered.

ItsClobberinTime

yes

Chief_Wiggum said:

Post on this on one of the other threads.
Not sure why anyone is surprised by serpent staying as is...
They advertised him and designed him as a top defender in this game.
If he can be nuked consistently in 40s or less then it wouldn't be much of a defender.
If we had no hard defenders then bg and war would be only who can kill faster... and that will put the game into a decline when it is all bout memorised action/reactions and who can do it faster. Even top level players will be bored if AW is consistently zero deaths because defenders are all simple and straight forward.

I guarantee you the same people calling Kabam incompetent or stupid for Serpent/Enchantress release will be saying the same thing if we had Groots and Beast level defenders. Even slightly annoying champs Aarkus or Toad isn't up to being a serious defender as they all have easy counters. Anything new at that level will be called mid and deemed a waste of time. A few tubers just love being outrage merchants and many people fall for their shtick.

Bullseye only got adjusted as there was a mechanic that wasn't intended to punish when they were not being hit and they took out the bleed while dexing from basic attacks as it is completely illogical.

Anyone remember the outrage when Absman was released on how impossible he was? now he's a mid level defender. Serpent isn't going to fall that far but as people learn how to play him.. the more ways he can be countered.

You mention top level players, you realize top level players also agree he's busted right and asking for a nerf right? Not only is he getting too many kills in AW, he's the only defender most top players ban in BGs regardless of whether they have him in their decks or not.

Bullseye's bleed on dex mechanic WAS intended, it was just stupid, just like half of Serpent's kit.

Also, comparing Abs Man's defensive prowess with Serpent's is the craziest thing I've read all day. It's like comparing Red Cyclops and Thing, that's how big the difference is.

Squidopus

yes

Chief_Wiggum said:

Post on this on one of the other threads.
Not sure why anyone is surprised by serpent staying as is...
They advertised him and designed him as a top defender in this game.
If he can be nuked consistently in 40s or less then it wouldn't be much of a defender.
If we had no hard defenders then bg and war would be only who can kill faster... and that will put the game into a decline when it is all bout memorised action/reactions and who can do it faster. Even top level players will be bored if AW is consistently zero deaths because defenders are all simple and straight forward.

I guarantee you the same people calling Kabam incompetent or stupid for Serpent/Enchantress release will be saying the same thing if we had Groots and Beast level defenders. Even slightly annoying champs Aarkus or Toad isn't up to being a serious defender as they all have easy counters. Anything new at that level will be called mid and deemed a waste of time. A few tubers just love being outrage merchants and many people fall for their shtick.

Bullseye only got adjusted as there was a mechanic that wasn't intended to punish when they were not being hit and they took out the bleed while dexing from basic attacks as it is completely illogical.

Anyone remember the outrage when Absman was released on how impossible he was? now he's a mid level defender. Serpent isn't going to fall that far but as people learn how to play him.. the more ways he can be countered.

Genuinely wtf do you mean when you say Bullseye’s bleed on dex “wasn’t intended”. Did they accidentally code that in and just didn’t realize until the balancing update rolled around? That was obviously intended, they just rebalanced it because they decided he needed to be hit somewhere with a nerf and that was an appropriate place to do so. It certainly wasn’t a matter of “logic” as you say because he still inflicts bleed when you dex his specials.

People aren’t asking for Serpent to be nuked consistently in 40 seconds. As you say, that would make him not a good defender. We just don’t think he should be insanely difficult to bring down in a timely manner even with the best counters AND have like 5 different defensive abilities you have to constantly watch for AND force you to take a bunch of chip damage while fighting him AND threaten you with basically instant death if you slip up at one of several easy points of failure.

Believe me, I hate the common mindset bgs has pushed that damage is the all-important factor and you can’t be good even with everything else going for you if you can’t kill in 40 seconds. I also quite like a good difficult defender that forces you to reach for different options in your toolkit or adapt your play style. Serpent doesn’t factor into either of these. His tankiness is only in service of giving him more chances to kill you, not stall time, and there’s little in the way of puzzles with him- you bring someone who can counter a few of his abilities, hope his others don’t screw you, and lose if you don’t have a good mystic.

Wu_Bangerz23

no

Kind of a moot point, but people who have him will vote no and people who don't voted yes

ItsClobberinTime

yes

Wu_Bangerz23 said:

Kind of a moot point, but people who have him will vote no and people who don't voted yes

I have him r5 ascended sig 200, not true at all.

Wicket329

no

ItsClobberinTime said:

Wicket329 said:

I would be willing to bet that we get at least two more Serpent counters before 2025.

Next month we have Shathra and Nefaria. Shathra is mystic and likely to be more of an attacker than a defender. Nefaria, according to the line of text posted with his animations, is a regen and power gain controller. Both of these have potential for shutting down Serpent.

Additionally, in his discussion on Vega’s stream, Kabam Crashed said that there are a number (I believe four) of thus far unannounced champion buffs coming before the end of the year. I think at least one of those will be a mystic Serpent counter. Personally, I’m hoping it’s Loki because I think it would be rad if Loki just womped Serpent.

Anyway, I think this is why Kabam didn’t tune Serpent. They saw that his counters do a good job of potatotizing him, and they know something we don’t.

Hate to break it to you but DLL said there will never be another Galan Peni situation, so no, nobody is going to be potatotizing Serpent unless (like Patriot and Negasonic) they have mid damage that's just not viable in BGs unless you're a Gold 3 scrub.

We already have it. Sym Supreme absolutely deletes Serpent. My r4 unascended 6* bullies 7* r3 high sig AW bosses. There’s an itty-bitty baby skill check involved in surviving long enough to get the special cycle going, but once it’s on Serpent gets wrecked. There are other champs in game already who can also do this (Spidey Supreme is another, less commonly thought of counter.)

I’m not saying it’ll be as over the top as Galan/Peni was, but do you really think we aren’t gonna see mystic champs with combinations of buff and power control in the future? That’s literally the mystic class identity, and it’s how power creep works in all live games.

I’m not saying Serpent is going to stop being a potent defender, that’s not Kabam’s goal (again, going back to how Galan and Hulkling just removed Peni from the defensive meta). But there will be more tools in players’ hands to address the problem. And I think that will be sooner rather than later.

ItsClobberinTime

yes

Wicket329 said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

Wicket329 said:

I would be willing to bet that we get at least two more Serpent counters before 2025.

Next month we have Shathra and Nefaria. Shathra is mystic and likely to be more of an attacker than a defender. Nefaria, according to the line of text posted with his animations, is a regen and power gain controller. Both of these have potential for shutting down Serpent.

Additionally, in his discussion on Vega’s stream, Kabam Crashed said that there are a number (I believe four) of thus far unannounced champion buffs coming before the end of the year. I think at least one of those will be a mystic Serpent counter. Personally, I’m hoping it’s Loki because I think it would be rad if Loki just womped Serpent.

Anyway, I think this is why Kabam didn’t tune Serpent. They saw that his counters do a good job of potatotizing him, and they know something we don’t.

Hate to break it to you but DLL said there will never be another Galan Peni situation, so no, nobody is going to be potatotizing Serpent unless (like Patriot and Negasonic) they have mid damage that's just not viable in BGs unless you're a Gold 3 scrub.

We already have it. Sym Supreme absolutely deletes Serpent. My r4 unascended 6* bullies 7* r3 high sig AW bosses. There’s an itty-bitty baby skill check involved in surviving long enough to get the special cycle going, but once it’s on Serpent gets wrecked. There are other champs in game already who can also do this (Spidey Supreme is another, less commonly thought of counter.)

I’m not saying it’ll be as over the top as Galan/Peni was, but do you really think we aren’t gonna see mystic champs with combinations of buff and power control in the future? That’s literally the mystic class identity, and it’s how power creep works in all live games.

I’m not saying Serpent is going to stop being a potent defender, that’s not Kabam’s goal (again, going back to how Galan and Hulkling just removed Peni from the defensive meta). But there will be more tools in players’ hands to address the problem. And I think that will be sooner rather than later.

No we don't, war is a completely different scenario and you know it. Time doesn't matter in war, and you can use as many boosts as you want.
Go try that in BGs with SymSupre or Spidey Supreme against a r3 awakened Serpent and we'll see if it's really as one sided as you claim, can guarantee you it won't be purely because of time. If it was then damn you should've been in the tournament in Canada since most players who went there are also frustrated with the balance updated and Serpent staying as is.

Chavez has a ton of power control, SymSupreme has a ton of buff control, Rintrah can shut down death immunity. In order to shut down Serpent so he isn't as op you'd need a combination of shutting down death immunity and one of the other two however at that point that would be a hard counter. I really don't see how any of this would work without making it a hard counter.

Terminatrix

yes

ItsClobberinTime said:

Wicket329 said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

Wicket329 said:

I would be willing to bet that we get at least two more Serpent counters before 2025.

Next month we have Shathra and Nefaria. Shathra is mystic and likely to be more of an attacker than a defender. Nefaria, according to the line of text posted with his animations, is a regen and power gain controller. Both of these have potential for shutting down Serpent.

Additionally, in his discussion on Vega’s stream, Kabam Crashed said that there are a number (I believe four) of thus far unannounced champion buffs coming before the end of the year. I think at least one of those will be a mystic Serpent counter. Personally, I’m hoping it’s Loki because I think it would be rad if Loki just womped Serpent.

Anyway, I think this is why Kabam didn’t tune Serpent. They saw that his counters do a good job of potatotizing him, and they know something we don’t.

Hate to break it to you but DLL said there will never be another Galan Peni situation, so no, nobody is going to be potatotizing Serpent unless (like Patriot and Negasonic) they have mid damage that's just not viable in BGs unless you're a Gold 3 scrub.

We already have it. Sym Supreme absolutely deletes Serpent. My r4 unascended 6* bullies 7* r3 high sig AW bosses. There’s an itty-bitty baby skill check involved in surviving long enough to get the special cycle going, but once it’s on Serpent gets wrecked. There are other champs in game already who can also do this (Spidey Supreme is another, less commonly thought of counter.)

I’m not saying it’ll be as over the top as Galan/Peni was, but do you really think we aren’t gonna see mystic champs with combinations of buff and power control in the future? That’s literally the mystic class identity, and it’s how power creep works in all live games.

I’m not saying Serpent is going to stop being a potent defender, that’s not Kabam’s goal (again, going back to how Galan and Hulkling just removed Peni from the defensive meta). But there will be more tools in players’ hands to address the problem. And I think that will be sooner rather than later.

No we don't, war is a completely different scenario and you know it. Time doesn't matter in war, and you can use as many boosts as you want.
Go try that in BGs with SymSupre or Spidey Supreme against a r3 awakened Serpent and we'll see if it's really as one sided as you claim, can guarantee you it won't be purely because of time. If it was then damn you should've been in the tournament in Canada since most players who went there are also frustrated with the balance updated and Serpent staying as is.

Chavez has a ton of power control, SymSupreme has a ton of buff control, Rintrah can shut down death immunity. In order to shut down Serpent so he isn't as op you'd need a combination of shutting down death immunity and one of the other two however at that point that would be a hard counter. I really don't see how any of this would work without making it a hard counter.

So we need a mash-up champ named "RinCha Supreme" 😁

JahlilFTW

yes

im not believing that you’re killing serpent bosses with a r4 sym supreme until I see a video, if that’s the case you should be masters easily

Polygon

no

Polygon said:

I thought i was he going to get a buff

Apologize for my typo, what I meant to say is that I thought Serpent was going to get a buff

Nightheart

yes

As the owner of 7 star rank 2 Serpent I say he could have been but he will give me PTSD in defense so I have to deal with his stupid power gain

EdisonLaw

yes

FrostGiantLord said:

He didn't really need a nerf, he needed more of a rebalance/rework. Make him a little worse on defense, but make up for it with a damage boost to make him a more well-rounded champ

I think his damage is great on offense. Lagacy used a 4 star Serpent during his crucible run. He hits like a truck once ramped up, plus he’s one of the safest questers out there

PT_99

yes

EdisonLaw said:

FrostGiantLord said:

He didn't really need a nerf, he needed more of a rebalance/rework. Make him a little worse on defense, but make up for it with a damage boost to make him a more well-rounded champ

I think his damage is great on offense. Lagacy used a 4 star Serpent during his crucible run. He hits like a truck once ramped up, plus he’s one of the safest questers out there

Community really should've abused 7* Serpants on attack more, that's the only way to get Kabam tingle about balancing stuff

EdisonLaw

yes

PT_99 said:

EdisonLaw said:

FrostGiantLord said:

He didn't really need a nerf, he needed more of a rebalance/rework. Make him a little worse on defense, but make up for it with a damage boost to make him a more well-rounded champ

I think his damage is great on offense. Lagacy used a 4 star Serpent during his crucible run. He hits like a truck once ramped up, plus he’s one of the safest questers out there

Community really should've abused 7* Serpants on attack more, that's the only way to get Kabam tingle about balancing stuff

I agree lol, that seems to be what they care about the most, they are worried about making another Herc

Phantøm_Echø

EdisonLaw said:

PT_99 said:

EdisonLaw said:

FrostGiantLord said:

He didn't really need a nerf, he needed more of a rebalance/rework. Make him a little worse on defense, but make up for it with a damage boost to make him a more well-rounded champ

I think his damage is great on offense. Lagacy used a 4 star Serpent during his crucible run. He hits like a truck once ramped up, plus he’s one of the safest questers out there

Community really should've abused 7* Serpants on attack more, that's the only way to get Kabam tingle about balancing stuff

I agree lol, that seems to be what they care about the most, they are worried about making another Herc

So instead of preventing a herc, they are actively trying to create a herc in the opposite direction? Cause we’ve been seeing a little too many 5/5 defenders lately and not enough attack with that same power

EdisonLaw

yes

Phantøm_Echø said:

EdisonLaw said:

PT_99 said:

EdisonLaw said:

FrostGiantLord said:

He didn't really need a nerf, he needed more of a rebalance/rework. Make him a little worse on defense, but make up for it with a damage boost to make him a more well-rounded champ

I think his damage is great on offense. Lagacy used a 4 star Serpent during his crucible run. He hits like a truck once ramped up, plus he’s one of the safest questers out there

Community really should've abused 7* Serpants on attack more, that's the only way to get Kabam tingle about balancing stuff

I agree lol, that seems to be what they care about the most, they are worried about making another Herc

So instead of preventing a herc, they are actively trying to create a herc in the opposite direction? Cause we’ve been seeing a little too many 5/5 defenders lately and not enough attack with that same power

A defensive herc, which I think they succeeded with Serpent

Kerneas

no

No, because I pulled him yesterday

/j

Wicket329

no

ItsClobberinTime said:

Wicket329 said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

Wicket329 said:

I would be willing to bet that we get at least two more Serpent counters before 2025.

Next month we have Shathra and Nefaria. Shathra is mystic and likely to be more of an attacker than a defender. Nefaria, according to the line of text posted with his animations, is a regen and power gain controller. Both of these have potential for shutting down Serpent.

Additionally, in his discussion on Vega’s stream, Kabam Crashed said that there are a number (I believe four) of thus far unannounced champion buffs coming before the end of the year. I think at least one of those will be a mystic Serpent counter. Personally, I’m hoping it’s Loki because I think it would be rad if Loki just womped Serpent.

Anyway, I think this is why Kabam didn’t tune Serpent. They saw that his counters do a good job of potatotizing him, and they know something we don’t.

Hate to break it to you but DLL said there will never be another Galan Peni situation, so no, nobody is going to be potatotizing Serpent unless (like Patriot and Negasonic) they have mid damage that's just not viable in BGs unless you're a Gold 3 scrub.

We already have it. Sym Supreme absolutely deletes Serpent. My r4 unascended 6* bullies 7* r3 high sig AW bosses. There’s an itty-bitty baby skill check involved in surviving long enough to get the special cycle going, but once it’s on Serpent gets wrecked. There are other champs in game already who can also do this (Spidey Supreme is another, less commonly thought of counter.)

I’m not saying it’ll be as over the top as Galan/Peni was, but do you really think we aren’t gonna see mystic champs with combinations of buff and power control in the future? That’s literally the mystic class identity, and it’s how power creep works in all live games.

I’m not saying Serpent is going to stop being a potent defender, that’s not Kabam’s goal (again, going back to how Galan and Hulkling just removed Peni from the defensive meta). But there will be more tools in players’ hands to address the problem. And I think that will be sooner rather than later.

No we don't, war is a completely different scenario and you know it. Time doesn't matter in war, and you can use as many boosts as you want.
Go try that in BGs with SymSupre or Spidey Supreme against a r3 awakened Serpent and we'll see if it's really as one sided as you claim, can guarantee you it won't be purely because of time. If it was then damn you should've been in the tournament in Canada since most players who went there are also frustrated with the balance updated and Serpent staying as is.

Chavez has a ton of power control, SymSupreme has a ton of buff control, Rintrah can shut down death immunity. In order to shut down Serpent so he isn't as op you'd need a combination of shutting down death immunity and one of the other two however at that point that would be a hard counter. I really don't see how any of this would work without making it a hard counter.

https://youtu.be/htDUr6cFYgs?si=7XuUp2DQDLCmOg17

Seems like Spidey works pretty well to me 🤷🏻‍♂️

JahlilFTW said:

im not believing that you’re killing serpent bosses with a r4 sym supreme until I see a video, if that’s the case you should be masters easily

Funny you should mention that.



I spent a few seasons in Masters but took a step back because I prefer ranking off-meta fun champs (remember, this is a game). Played with a lot of players you’ve probably heard of. I don’t have a YouTube channel of my own, but if you’d like I could send those Sym Supreme videos over Line.