Okay so basically what you are saying is you are racing usain bolt. You obviously lose. Theoretically speaking, there is nothing stopping you getting to Usain bolts level bar practise and "grinding". Instead, you resort to whining and demanding his legs be amputated to make it fairer 💀 ☠ 💀
Main point of the discussion was to block champs like bullseye, serpent, destroyer, dust, onslaught etc. All that make those battles automatically lost.
Main point of the discussion was to block champs like bullseye, serpent, destroyer, dust, onslaught etc. All that make those battles automatically lost.
Serpent is the only one that’s close to an automatic loss. Bullseye has counters that can win fairly reliably, even if they’re limited, and the rest aren’t remotely automatic wins if you know what you’re doing. Besides, people still invested in those champs regardless. You can’t just make their r3 Dusts and Bullseyes unusable because you don’t like fighting them unless you want to get into rank down ticket territory (and Kabam very much hates getting into rank down ticket territory, that’s the reason why we have the balancing program). If they’re that much a problem to you, watch guides on how to handle some and just ban the rest.
Main point of the discussion was to block champs like bullseye, serpent, destroyer, dust, onslaught etc. All that make those battles automatically lost.
Serpent is the only one I'll give you there. All the others are manageable with skill and a decent option against them. Your very foundation is shaky in ideology. Grow your roster more rather than asking everyone to stoop to your level
That is the problem. Rewards. Arenas have rewards tier, calendars have it. BGs dont. I dont care for bh rewards, lower tier rewards are fine, I only want that emoticon, and its currently out of reach for non-no-lifers
Actually they do have it. BG store is progression based for prices. Also, if you reach a point where you can't advance then where you stopped are your progression based rewards.
How about give everybody every champion in the game, ranked up to max and every new content reward released, for free? That's gonna be fair, right? You gotta like it, OP, it's the same thing you suggest, just a couple steps further. Yay for fair play!
All this topic is basically you telling everybody else that you _deserve_ the rewards for the best players because you are _not_ the best player and ignoring every feedback with "I see, you're about to lose so you're trying to silence me". Just stop already. It's embarrassing.
Tons of complaints on non-fair matchups. Since you cannot fix matching, here's an option:
1. Bypass champ ratings and sig abilities. 2. You only choose champions, not their stats. 3. When the game is on, all selected champions become 6*, r5, sig 200 for both players.
That will make the game fair and you can match-up anyone with anyone. Skill wins.
Variant 2: get rid of players' champs decks. Each season Kabam determines what champioms are participating: make it 50, so people could choose 30. That way overpowered champs like bullseye, dust, serpent, fut antman can be banned by default for everyone
Are you 8 years old? Do you understand the concept of "making money"? If kabam gives us the champs, or all are same level, why would anyone bother to buy crystals and rank up materials in order to get the new champs and rank them up? For war? There's like 1500 players that do high tier war, most of which arent the spenders. AQ? Story Quest? Ha!. Those are a joke. Abyss? Aegon smashes that.
You and everyone like you is what's wrong with the world today: expecting things to be handed to you in the name of equality without taking into consideration merit, effort and time that was put in by the others.
Why do people always talk about fairness in terms of nerfing big players and/or lifting up small players? How can you say it is fair to strip someone of the roster they've put together because someone else's isn't as good? If you're going to choose to play the game mode, then you're going to do it with your roster to the best of your ability. If you want the rewards, then you face the accounts you don't want to face.
It is the DEI (didn't earn it) way of thinking. It's the cancer of the world.
Tons of complaints on non-fair matchups. Since you cannot fix matching, here's an option:
1. Bypass champ ratings and sig abilities. 2. You only choose champions, not their stats. 3. When the game is on, all selected champions become 6*, r5, sig 200 for both players.
That will make the game fair and you can match-up anyone with anyone. Skill wins.
Variant 2: get rid of players' champs decks. Each season Kabam determines what champioms are participating: make it 50, so people could choose 30. That way overpowered champs like bullseye, dust, serpent, fut antman can be banned by default for everyone
spend $3000 pulling and duping a 7* and another $800 for 80 sig stones on cyber monday so the f2p thronebreaker player who started 6 months ago can be on the same level as you. should be very motivating and help kabam's bottom line.
suggestion 2 would kill BGs badly. war is already super frustrating with blacklists and overly restrictive globals, if they had similar control over BGs it would remove any motivation to build decks.
That is the problem. Rewards. Arenas have rewards tier, calendars have it. BGs dont. I dont care for bh rewards, lower tier rewards are fine, I only want that emoticon, and its currently out of reach for non-no-lifers
You just got hired as an intern at a company and you’re asking for the same salary as the CEO. It doesn’t work like that
I want tasks intern-worthy, not CEO-worthy
if you want intern-worthy tasks you should get intern salary, no?
Noone will move on. It's just become stupid. All wars have bullseye or serpent boss now. Like before it was doom all over. You start, you search opponents deck forthose three: bullseye, serpent, onslaught. Or fury. Kill him, he gets back to 100 on last second
If you’re worried about his second life just push him to o percent but don’t kill him. Other than that nuke him with someone like cgr. It’s a strategic game and you have to weigh the pros and cons of getting him to his second or not and which would give you more points in the middle of the match. There is strategy and skill involved in this game and you need to understand that. Another example is whether or not to use a special attack. You could use it and kill then or play it safe and not use it, you would loose out on time points but you don’t push them to sp3. It’s not all about roster and strength. I’ve beat whales because of strategy and counters.
I have said this before. I would like Kabam to make different leagues. And idk how they can implement it. Different leagues definitely means different rewards.
I'm a bit undecided on this one, as this is not a simple yes/no issue. On one hand, we need an impartial competition for top rewards. On the other hand we can use some fairness for less progressed accounts for lesser rewards and see if it can reduce frustration among similar strengths.
That is the problem. Rewards. Arenas have rewards tier, calendars have it. BGs dont. I dont care for bh rewards, lower tier rewards are fine, I only want that emoticon, and its currently out of reach for non-no-lifers
You just got hired as an intern at a company and you’re asking for the same salary as the CEO. It doesn’t work like that
I want tasks intern-worthy, not CEO-worthy
Play other game modes if you can’t handle BG. Sounds like you’ve got some runway in story and Everest content. Most of the people responding to you have probably explored every piece of content that’s available. It’s one of the reasons we don’t care about your complaints.
For the record they did try to make it more fair when bgs were still new by making matchmaking off of deck pi and people complained because high players would just put one stars in their deck. Kabam can’t make everyone happy at the same time, just deal with it and give them a break. They already have enough with the ai issues.
To keep rising you need to beat better players than you have until now. If you cannot, then you have risen to your ceiling. Take whatever rewards you've gotten and keep improving your roster and raise that ceiling, and lather rinse repeat. That's what the rest of us did.
Love how players with 30k+ champ rates disagree to those above, lol
I’d like to introduce the community to a new metric: Summoner’s Underlying Champions, Knowledge, Excellence & Resources.
Your overall strength in BGs is determined by a lot: the champions you obtain and choose to rank, game knowledge, deck building and draft strategy, actual thumb skills and in-fight strategy. Add it all up and you can decide how big a sucker you are.
Everyone has different amounts of all of those things. My brain is full of other information besides what 3 immunities were given to each 2023-24 champ. I won’t learn them (sorry Dust and Kindred). I will, however, plan carefully for July 4 and Cyber Weekend and farm units for decent rewards. I will rank champs for sagas and metas that I think are ban magnets. And so on.
I play smart and build a big roster so my failing thumbs and short attention span let me roll over accounts like yours. You blame the roster, and that’s true in a way, but the fact I planned and grinded to earn and level these champs is just as valid a way to win as your thumbs going brrrrr
Battlegrounds has been really important to extending the life of this game. Whether we love the mode or not, the use of a 30-deck requires tons of rankups and rotating metas require even more.
The idea that there should be an incentive structure to not rank champs flies in the face of everything a game like this stands for.
Should a summoner stop at 6.4.5 to avoid becoming Thronebreaker just to beat up cavaliers? No. That’s dumb.
Tons of complaints on non-fair matchups. Since you cannot fix matching, here's an option:
1. Bypass champ ratings and sig abilities. 2. You only choose champions, not their stats. 3. When the game is on, all selected champions become 6*, r5, sig 200 for both players.
That will make the game fair and you can match-up anyone with anyone. Skill wins.
Variant 2: get rid of players' champs decks. Each season Kabam determines what champioms are participating: make it 50, so people could choose 30. That way overpowered champs like bullseye, dust, serpent, fut antman can be banned by default for everyone
Your perspective is a little skewed. Battlegrounds is not meant for all players. Not everyone is expected to get to gladiator's circuit. Likewise, not everyone is supposed to make it that far in the victory track. Your issue is that you seem entitled to rewards beyond what you can obtain. Sure, it's not all skill. This is a pay-to-win game. However, I'm F2play, spend barely anytime on Battlegrounds, and make it to gladiator's circuit in a matter of hours every season. When I get to the point where I meet rosters that take the skill out of the match, I know that I've reached my limit.
One of the biggest things Kabam could do to kill the game is make every single bgs focused rank up moot with either of these changes and, just generally speaking, remove one of these biggest motivators for building up your roster.
I'd say roster is good for warsand raids. But BGs just make rich richer
If someone has played for a month and I've played for a year, it is no way fair for their champs to be boosted to my level. If the fights are too hard, get better, get better champs
You will win, as you have skill and knowledge of the champs in the roster, immunities, dmg rotations etc.
Look from the other perspective: would you be interested/excited in matching against all-2-star summoner?
Yes I will be interested in stomping those 2* summoners deck and I even tryhard. 🙈
Main point of the discussion was to block champs like bullseye, serpent, destroyer, dust, onslaught etc. All that make those battles automatically lost.
Lil bro, archangel is easiest thing to kill bullseye, Even I ban serpent because that's point of BG, to ban heroes you don't like, Destroyer? 🤮 Just push him to sp2, dexing his sp2 beam is skill based, that's what you want right, skill. Dust? Just use any fire debuff Onslaught? Use havok, bishop, captain marvel, heck even deathless guilttone works if you have skill to dex his sp1, that's what you want right, skill based matches.
Main point of the discussion was to block champs like bullseye, serpent, destroyer, dust, onslaught etc. All that make those battles automatically lost.
Lil bro, archangel is easiest thing to kill bullseye, Even I ban serpent because that's point of BG, to ban heroes you don't like, Destroyer? 🤮 Just push him to sp2, dexing his sp2 beam is skill based, that's what you want right, skill. Dust? Just use any fire debuff Onslaught? Use havok, bishop, captain marvel, heck even deathless guilttone works if you have skill to dex his sp1, that's what you want right, skill based matches.
Lemme add to your onslaught counters: Silk, Hulkling, Werewolf by Night, Future Ant Man, Titania
Noone will move on. It's just become stupid. All wars have bullseye or serpent boss now. Like before it was doom all over. You start, you search opponents deck forthose three: bullseye, serpent, onslaught. Or fury. Kill him, he gets back to 100 on last second
If you want to cheese Fury second life then play Dani moonstar Or Listen up, play as Titania, as soon as his health drops to 0 and starts to heal, immediately launch sp3, her debuffs will stop the healing.
In my opinion, a 1.5m rating shouldn’t go up against anything more than a 2.5, they should do rating based matchmaking, a 1.5m should NEVER go up against a 5m, that way bgs becomes purely skill and deck based, not rank based, because you can make it to diamond “ like me” by just getting forfeits and if your lucky win the match. ( e.x, I’m a 1.5m player, I took a yr break and just got back this last month. My most recent bg match was against a 6m rating, his profile with r3 7*, my best is a r4 nick, and 4 r1 7*, 2 matches before that one I was able to beat a 2.6m, with his best being a r5 6* A1 Claire, I only won because it became a skill based match instead of my opponent getting the easiest defenders of his life, and me doing a fight as if I was in act 7 again,) battlegrounds should be hero rating based.
Main point of the discussion was to block champs like bullseye, serpent, destroyer, dust, onslaught etc. All that make those battles automatically lost.
Dust, destroyer, and bullseye, and medium to hard defenders, you can handle them with ease, serpent and onslaught are actually difficult, otherwise it’s a skill issue .
In my opinion, a 1.5m rating shouldn’t go up against anything more than a 2.5, they should do rating based matchmaking, a 1.5m should NEVER go up against a 5m, that way bgs becomes purely skill and deck based, not rank based, because you can make it to diamond “ like me” by just getting forfeits and if your lucky win the match. ( e.x, I’m a 1.5m player, I took a yr break and just got back this last month. My most recent bg match was against a 6m rating, his profile with r3 7*, my best is a r4 nick, and 4 r1 7*, 2 matches before that one I was able to beat a 2.6m, with his best being a r5 6* A1 Claire, I only won because it became a skill based match instead of my opponent getting the easiest defenders of his life, and me doing a fight as if I was in act 7 again,) battlegrounds should be hero rating based.
Do you also want to get 6* max rewards for that 1.5m BG fights? Or coincidentally you want to keep getting same rewards as decks with 7r3.
You do realise that solo rewards, Alliance ranked rewards, will all be nerfed down if Kabam makes ratings based matchmaking.
And everyone knows how long Kabam takes to buff rewards 🤣 so good luck opening 6* crystals every BG.
The main problem we are facing is that higher ranked players are constantly quitting matches to stay in lower sections. Making there access to more champions with higher ratings the winning factor.
How do we solved? Restrict anyone from playing who quit 2 matches in a row that are 1 win away from moving up.
48 hours should do the tricks.
Yep, people will cry saying they got disconnected…. Boohoo! I’ve had a fair few years on this earth …and I can say we have an abundance of scum who will cheat there way too gain.
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All that make those battles automatically lost.
All the others are manageable with skill and a decent option against them.
Your very foundation is shaky in ideology.
Grow your roster more rather than asking everyone to stoop to your level
All this topic is basically you telling everybody else that you _deserve_ the rewards for the best players because you are _not_ the best player and ignoring every feedback with "I see, you're about to lose so you're trying to silence me". Just stop already. It's embarrassing.
If kabam gives us the champs, or all are same level, why would anyone bother to buy crystals and rank up materials in order to get the new champs and rank them up?
For war? There's like 1500 players that do high tier war, most of which arent the spenders.
AQ? Story Quest? Ha!. Those are a joke. Abyss? Aegon smashes that.
You and everyone like you is what's wrong with the world today: expecting things to be handed to you in the name of equality without taking into consideration merit, effort and time that was put in by the others.
suggestion 2 would kill BGs badly. war is already super frustrating with blacklists and overly restrictive globals, if they had similar control over BGs it would remove any motivation to build decks.
It just takes skill man.
I would like Kabam to make different leagues.
And idk how they can implement it.
Different leagues definitely means different rewards.
I'm a bit undecided on this one, as this is not a simple yes/no issue.
On one hand, we need an impartial competition for top rewards. On the other hand we can use some fairness for less progressed accounts for lesser rewards and see if it can reduce frustration among similar strengths.
I'm not on anyone's side on this one.
I’d like to introduce the community to a new metric: Summoner’s Underlying Champions, Knowledge, Excellence & Resources.
Your overall strength in BGs is determined by a lot: the champions you obtain and choose to rank, game knowledge, deck building and draft strategy, actual thumb skills and in-fight strategy. Add it all up and you can decide how big a sucker you are.
Everyone has different amounts of all of those things. My brain is full of other information besides what 3 immunities were given to each 2023-24 champ. I won’t learn them (sorry Dust and Kindred). I will, however, plan carefully for July 4 and Cyber Weekend and farm units for decent rewards. I will rank champs for sagas and metas that I think are ban magnets. And so on.
I play smart and build a big roster so my failing thumbs and short attention span let me roll over accounts like yours. You blame the roster, and that’s true in a way, but the fact I planned and grinded to earn and level these champs is just as valid a way to win as your thumbs going brrrrr
The idea that there should be an incentive structure to not rank champs flies in the face of everything a game like this stands for.
Should a summoner stop at 6.4.5 to avoid becoming Thronebreaker just to beat up cavaliers? No. That’s dumb.
Then what's the point of buying 7* heroes and rank up resources if Kabam is just going to make everyone play as 6* in 2024 🤣
At least make it sense, just because you have weak heroes, does it mean now that others who have good heroes also be forced to turned into weak?
Do you even realise what you are trying to advocate? Or you just go,
"haha hihi, what if Kabam make everyone 6* haha hihi."
YIKES
Ever wonder why your goofy mid deck remains poor?
archangel is easiest thing to kill bullseye,
Even I ban serpent because that's point of BG, to ban heroes you don't like,
Destroyer? 🤮 Just push him to sp2, dexing his sp2 beam is skill based, that's what you want right, skill.
Dust? Just use any fire debuff
Onslaught? Use havok, bishop, captain marvel, heck even deathless guilttone works if you have skill to dex his sp1, that's what you want right, skill based matches.
Or
Listen up, play as Titania, as soon as his health drops to 0 and starts to heal, immediately launch sp3, her debuffs will stop the healing.
Or coincidentally you want to keep getting same rewards as decks with 7r3.
You do realise that solo rewards, Alliance ranked rewards, will all be nerfed down if Kabam makes ratings based matchmaking.
And everyone knows how long Kabam takes to buff rewards 🤣 so good luck opening 6* crystals every BG.
How do we solved? Restrict anyone from playing who quit 2 matches in a row that are 1 win away from moving up.
48 hours should do the tricks.
Yep, people will cry saying they got disconnected…. Boohoo! I’ve had a fair few years on this earth …and I can say we have an abundance of scum who will cheat there way too gain.