Battlegrounds Solo Milestones are extremely outdated

Nacho98

As someone who has been valiant since the title was available, just 100% completed epoch and pushes BGs every season, this is horrible. Why are we still getting 6* shards for HALF of the milestones??

This desperately needs updated and I genuinely do not understand why it takes so long do so. Is this not just a numbers adjustment? I’m not asking for the world here, at least just replace the 6* shards with 7* shards because this is getting ridiculous at this point

PT_99

Whaaa-???
You don't like 1500 6* shards? Unbelievable 😲

That 6 should be 7 at the very least

Chuck_Finley

Add to the list of things that are so far overdue it’s embarrassing. And this sort of stuff only becomes more glaring when other events are shelved entirely for being “stale.” Stale describes much of the game at the moment.

MrSakuragi

The numbers adjustment is part of it. To adjust those numbers the game economy team needs to determine what they should be. Whether they’re actually looking at this or not… anyone’s guess.

JESUSCHRIST

Let's just face it, Kabam doesn't want to give updated free rewards from playing the game

Kabam wants you to open your wallet if you want something good

Darthbane3141

Yet another outdated part of the game

ContestOfNoobs

Darthbane3141 said:

Yet another outdated part of the game

Yup was about to say add this to another part of the game thats outdated

BeastDad

I don’t know why they expect hardcore participation for so many modes that give out trash rewards.

IndustryPlant

Everything is outdated, with no timeline of being updated.

SteveM

I'd be fine with a selector between shards and trophy tokens or honestly just tokens

IAmGrO_ot78

What ? Outdated?!? If you got the Siegle subscription, you can get enough 6* shards to buy a 7* in 10ish BG seasons 👻

DNA3000

BeastDad said:

I don’t know why they expect hardcore participation for so many modes that give out trash rewards.

Same reason they expect the sun to rise tomorrow. It happened yesterday. It happened today.

There's a couple hundred people complaining the rewards are not worth pursuing, and a couple hundred thousand players actually pursuing them. You're simply being outvoted.

To be honest, I think those rewards are not all that great either, but in general the point to game rewards is to be high enough to encourage players to chase them and literally no higher than that. The lower they are, the flatter the economy curve is, the longer the game will be able to hold off reward tier cycling, and the more likely the game will last longer overall. Most players think the devs are supposed to do the reverse: make the rewards as high as possible without being game breaking. But in fact, in games as a service where the goal is to make the game last as long as possible, the goal is the exact opposite.

The players believe the higher the rewards are, as long as they are not too high, the more exciting the game will be (at least in the short term) and they are right. The devs believe the lower the rewards are, as long as they are not too low, the more likely it is they will have jobs in the future, and they are also right. Guess which one wins if you are a professional developer. Guess which argument always wins when your rent is on the line.

Shadow_Shooter

I can’t believe they still cannot come up with rewards overhaul. They’re digging the grave…

TotemCorruption

I think part of the issue is that there is a discrepancy between rewards for winning and rewards for milestones and rank rewards currently.
For example, let's say you finish #2000 overall in GC last season.
Yet that would be like #20,000 overall in milestone rank rewards.
Basically, people are losing but still piling up points even past the top milestone to get the rank rewards.
They're basically exploiting the loophole of losing your way to the top.
That needs to change.

GroundedWisdom

Personally I think if there is any Milestones that need to be updated, it's the War Solos.

Chuck_Finley

DNA3000 said:

BeastDad said:

I don’t know why they expect hardcore participation for so many modes that give out trash rewards.

Same reason they expect the sun to rise tomorrow. It happened yesterday. It happened today.

There's a couple hundred people complaining the rewards are not worth pursuing, and a couple hundred thousand players actually pursuing them. You're simply being outvoted.

To be honest, I think those rewards are not all that great either, but in general the point to game rewards is to be high enough to encourage players to chase them and literally no higher than that. The lower they are, the flatter the economy curve is, the longer the game will be able to hold off reward tier cycling, and the more likely the game will last longer overall. Most players think the devs are supposed to do the reverse: make the rewards as high as possible without being game breaking. But in fact, in games as a service where the goal is to make the game last as long as possible, the goal is the exact opposite.

The players believe the higher the rewards are, as long as they are not too high, the more exciting the game will be (at least in the short term) and they are right. The devs believe the lower the rewards are, as long as they are not too low, the more likely it is they will have jobs in the future, and they are also right. Guess which one wins if you are a professional developer. Guess which argument always wins when your rent is on the line.

Let’s just remove all rewards except from Everest and sales. The game will last forever.

“As long as they aren’t too low”. - 6 star shards are too low. They might as well make them 4 star shards. They are iso. Even the nexus is just iso for the majority of valiants.

DNA3000

Chuck_Finley said:

DNA3000 said:

BeastDad said:

I don’t know why they expect hardcore participation for so many modes that give out trash rewards.

Same reason they expect the sun to rise tomorrow. It happened yesterday. It happened today.

There's a couple hundred people complaining the rewards are not worth pursuing, and a couple hundred thousand players actually pursuing them. You're simply being outvoted.

To be honest, I think those rewards are not all that great either, but in general the point to game rewards is to be high enough to encourage players to chase them and literally no higher than that. The lower they are, the flatter the economy curve is, the longer the game will be able to hold off reward tier cycling, and the more likely the game will last longer overall. Most players think the devs are supposed to do the reverse: make the rewards as high as possible without being game breaking. But in fact, in games as a service where the goal is to make the game last as long as possible, the goal is the exact opposite.

The players believe the higher the rewards are, as long as they are not too high, the more exciting the game will be (at least in the short term) and they are right. The devs believe the lower the rewards are, as long as they are not too low, the more likely it is they will have jobs in the future, and they are also right. Guess which one wins if you are a professional developer. Guess which argument always wins when your rent is on the line.

Let’s just remove all rewards except from Everest and sales. The game will last forever.

There's a reason most game economy designers do not participate in public forums, and this is it. I just explained the rationale for why individual rewards might seem low, and I have no idea why you bothered to quote it since you either didn't read it or don't actually care what it says. All you care about is: its too small because I said so. Which is entirely meaningless to me. But maybe if you close your eyes and tap your heels together, you'll wish into existence a game developer who will actually care.

There is literally someone reading this now that is tempted to say something like once again, I'm saying no one should give feedback or some other nonsense. Me, the person with more feedback items that actually found their way into the game than probably any other three players. It is probably purely coincidental that I spent a lot of (mostly wasted) time explaining how game development works, how game designers think, how the design of this game functions, and the fact that a lot of my ideas have managed to incorporate themselves into the game. I imagine that must be super annoying to observe from the outside, with no awareness of the connection between the two.

By all means, have the last word while you're at it. I don't really need it, as mine don't show up here anyway,

BeastDad

Chuck_Finley said:

DNA3000 said:

BeastDad said:

I don’t know why they expect hardcore participation for so many modes that give out trash rewards.

Same reason they expect the sun to rise tomorrow. It happened yesterday. It happened today.

There's a couple hundred people complaining the rewards are not worth pursuing, and a couple hundred thousand players actually pursuing them. You're simply being outvoted.

To be honest, I think those rewards are not all that great either, but in general the point to game rewards is to be high enough to encourage players to chase them and literally no higher than that. The lower they are, the flatter the economy curve is, the longer the game will be able to hold off reward tier cycling, and the more likely the game will last longer overall. Most players think the devs are supposed to do the reverse: make the rewards as high as possible without being game breaking. But in fact, in games as a service where the goal is to make the game last as long as possible, the goal is the exact opposite.

The players believe the higher the rewards are, as long as they are not too high, the more exciting the game will be (at least in the short term) and they are right. The devs believe the lower the rewards are, as long as they are not too low, the more likely it is they will have jobs in the future, and they are also right. Guess which one wins if you are a professional developer. Guess which argument always wins when your rent is on the line.

Let’s just remove all rewards except from Everest and sales. The game will last forever.

“As long as they aren’t too low”. - 6 star shards are too low. They might as well make them 4 star shards. They are iso. Even the nexus is just iso for the majority of valiants.

People really will fight tooth and nail to justify dumb business decisions.

Chuck_Finley

DNA3000 said:

Chuck_Finley said:

DNA3000 said:

BeastDad said:

I don’t know why they expect hardcore participation for so many modes that give out trash rewards.

Same reason they expect the sun to rise tomorrow. It happened yesterday. It happened today.

There's a couple hundred people complaining the rewards are not worth pursuing, and a couple hundred thousand players actually pursuing them. You're simply being outvoted.

To be honest, I think those rewards are not all that great either, but in general the point to game rewards is to be high enough to encourage players to chase them and literally no higher than that. The lower they are, the flatter the economy curve is, the longer the game will be able to hold off reward tier cycling, and the more likely the game will last longer overall. Most players think the devs are supposed to do the reverse: make the rewards as high as possible without being game breaking. But in fact, in games as a service where the goal is to make the game last as long as possible, the goal is the exact opposite.

The players believe the higher the rewards are, as long as they are not too high, the more exciting the game will be (at least in the short term) and they are right. The devs believe the lower the rewards are, as long as they are not too low, the more likely it is they will have jobs in the future, and they are also right. Guess which one wins if you are a professional developer. Guess which argument always wins when your rent is on the line.

Let’s just remove all rewards except from Everest and sales. The game will last forever.

There's a reason most game economy designers do not participate in public forums, and this is it. I just explained the rationale for why individual rewards might seem low, and I have no idea why you bothered to quote it since you either didn't read it or don't actually care what it says. All you care about is: its too small because I said so. Which is entirely meaningless to me. But maybe if you close your eyes and tap your heels together, you'll wish into existence a game developer who will actually care.

There is literally someone reading this now that is tempted to say something like once again, I'm saying no one should give feedback or some other nonsense. Me, the person with more feedback items that actually found their way into the game than probably any other three players. It is probably purely coincidental that I spent a lot of (mostly wasted) time explaining how game development works, how game designers think, how the design of this game functions, and the fact that a lot of my ideas have managed to incorporate themselves into the game. I imagine that must be super annoying to observe from the outside, with no awareness of the connection between the two.

By all means, have the last word while you're at it. I don't really need it, as mine don't show up here anyway,

Reducto ad absurdum is a valid technique in argumentation. It’s funny you latch onto THAT only when I then go on to add a practical point which you skip over because apparently it’s just me wanting what I want.

It gets extraordinarily frustrating being condescendingly talked down to because ‘clearly we aren’t developers’ as if we were asking for a titan crystals every milestone. These milestones haven’t changed in what … a year at least ? Is it healthy for a game economy not to progress that long? Well, even Kabam doesn’t think so as they admit other monthly content with rewards just as stale need a complete overhaul which they claim they are working on.

The game is in a bad spot for rewards for playing the game. You can argue this is what the game developers want…fine. Then you go so far to say responses like mine are why they don’t read the forums. Well, shut the forum down too then if it doesn’t matter. My comment isn’t the only one in this thread contradicting you. Nor is this the only thread.

Apparently the community here is becoming more and more worthless to the game as a whole and you just said the quiet part out loud.

DrZola

DNA3000 said:

BeastDad said:

I don’t know why they expect hardcore participation for so many modes that give out trash rewards.

Same reason they expect the sun to rise tomorrow. It happened yesterday. It happened today.

There's a couple hundred people complaining the rewards are not worth pursuing, and a couple hundred thousand players actually pursuing them. You're simply being outvoted.

To be honest, I think those rewards are not all that great either, but in general the point to game rewards is to be high enough to encourage players to chase them and literally no higher than that. The lower they are, the flatter the economy curve is, the longer the game will be able to hold off reward tier cycling, and the more likely the game will last longer overall. Most players think the devs are supposed to do the reverse: make the rewards as high as possible without being game breaking. But in fact, in games as a service where the goal is to make the game last as long as possible, the goal is the exact opposite.

The players believe the higher the rewards are, as long as they are not too high, the more exciting the game will be (at least in the short term) and they are right. The devs believe the lower the rewards are, as long as they are not too low, the more likely it is they will have jobs in the future, and they are also right. Guess which one wins if you are a professional developer. Guess which argument always wins when your rent is on the line.

The reality is that few players are actually pursuing the solo 6* milestones.

They are just waypoints on a longer destination. As long as the final milestones are somewhat desirable, those 6* shards are unlikely to change. They are beside the point.

What’s the point? While it would be nice to get rarer milestone prizes, BG chips and the BG store, rank rewards, GC are the real prizes — and they are what truly needs a bit of retuning.

Dr. Zola

dr2ws

Call me stupid but this VT node seems to be a She Hulk appreciation season, counters unstoppable and increases stun duration for the limber node. Is there any other champs that do this or is it me?

Not complaining because it’s a very easy season imo.

captain_rogers

I never understood this. They could always give trophy tokens instead and call it a day, and it helps everyone regardless of ranks.

Funny how an entire season of bg and aw won't let you open a 7*. But 20 days of autplaying few quests a day will let you open one.

Nameless_IW

They have time to make new nodes every month, new content, new champs, new bugs, every month so on and so for.

But it takes them years, 2 years, 3+ years to buff up the tewards.

Matty_Ice

DrZola said:

DNA3000 said:

BeastDad said:

I don’t know why they expect hardcore participation for so many modes that give out trash rewards.

Same reason they expect the sun to rise tomorrow. It happened yesterday. It happened today.

There's a couple hundred people complaining the rewards are not worth pursuing, and a couple hundred thousand players actually pursuing them. You're simply being outvoted.

To be honest, I think those rewards are not all that great either, but in general the point to game rewards is to be high enough to encourage players to chase them and literally no higher than that. The lower they are, the flatter the economy curve is, the longer the game will be able to hold off reward tier cycling, and the more likely the game will last longer overall. Most players think the devs are supposed to do the reverse: make the rewards as high as possible without being game breaking. But in fact, in games as a service where the goal is to make the game last as long as possible, the goal is the exact opposite.

The players believe the higher the rewards are, as long as they are not too high, the more exciting the game will be (at least in the short term) and they are right. The devs believe the lower the rewards are, as long as they are not too low, the more likely it is they will have jobs in the future, and they are also right. Guess which one wins if you are a professional developer. Guess which argument always wins when your rent is on the line.

The reality is that few players are actually pursuing the solo 6* milestones.

They are just waypoints on a longer destination. As long as the final milestones are somewhat desirable, those 6* shards are unlikely to change. They are beside the point.

What’s the point? While it would be nice to get rarer milestone prizes, BG chips and the BG store, rank rewards, GC are the real prizes — and they are what truly needs a bit of retuning.

Dr. Zola

I didn’t hit the final milestone last season for the first time since I came back to the game 2 years ago. Even the 2k titan shards aren’t enough for me to grind for.

Herbal_Taxman

DrZola said:

DNA3000 said:

BeastDad said:

I don’t know why they expect hardcore participation for so many modes that give out trash rewards.

Same reason they expect the sun to rise tomorrow. It happened yesterday. It happened today.

There's a couple hundred people complaining the rewards are not worth pursuing, and a couple hundred thousand players actually pursuing them. You're simply being outvoted.

To be honest, I think those rewards are not all that great either, but in general the point to game rewards is to be high enough to encourage players to chase them and literally no higher than that. The lower they are, the flatter the economy curve is, the longer the game will be able to hold off reward tier cycling, and the more likely the game will last longer overall. Most players think the devs are supposed to do the reverse: make the rewards as high as possible without being game breaking. But in fact, in games as a service where the goal is to make the game last as long as possible, the goal is the exact opposite.

The players believe the higher the rewards are, as long as they are not too high, the more exciting the game will be (at least in the short term) and they are right. The devs believe the lower the rewards are, as long as they are not too low, the more likely it is they will have jobs in the future, and they are also right. Guess which one wins if you are a professional developer. Guess which argument always wins when your rent is on the line.

The reality is that few players are actually pursuing the solo 6* milestones.

They are just waypoints on a longer destination. As long as the final milestones are somewhat desirable, those 6* shards are unlikely to change. They are beside the point.

What’s the point? While it would be nice to get rarer milestone prizes, BG chips and the BG store, rank rewards, GC are the real prizes — and they are what truly needs a bit of retuning.

Dr. Zola

“The art of taxation consists in so plucking the goose as to obtain the largest possible amount of feathers with the smallest possible amount of hissing.” - Jean-Baptiste Colbert

Contempt is the end state relationship between lots of businesses and their customers, especially when at least some of the product’s enduring success can be attributed to an addictive component.

Fun to see that everyone’s favorite developer proxy on the forums is so up-front about it.

ContestOfNoobs

Nameless_IW said:

They have time to make new nodes every month, new content, new champs, new bugs, every month so on and so for.

But it takes them years, 2 years, 3+ years to buff up the tewards.

Still waiting for a lot of things to be updated.

Idk how many times it needs to be addressed but every month they seem to hype everything up in the livestream without buffing alot of rewards in general

We waited YEARS for Sigil buff and overall reaction and feedback has been negative 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Can’t wait to see what march 2025 has to offer lol

Bosley

Most of the games rewards and 'deals' and under-valued or outdated. I just got this offered this 'deal' as a Paragon player......



You can't convince me that 5 star crystals are useful in todays game for someone that's got 34 7-star champs at my level of progression. Just one of many examples of how out of touch KABAM is.

DrZola

@Matty_Ice and @Herbal_Taxman

Fair points. I haven’t pushed for the Titan shards for a few seasons now because I value the time I would spend out of game more than another shot at a pool of *exclusive* champs.

As for “contempt,” that’s a strong word. However, it’s hard to escape the sense that there is a profound disconnect between those who make the game and those who play the game (cf. Jax comment re: how the devs don’t see time as a meaningful resource).

Dr. Zola

CandyCane2

I think it’s perfectly balanced.

dr2ws

CandyCane2 said:

I think it’s perfectly balanced.

“You are entitled to your own opinion” 🙈

CandyCane2

dr2ws said:

CandyCane2 said:

I think it’s perfectly balanced.

“You are entitled to your own opinion” 🙈

Darn right I am