I'd put money on kabam not fixing this before season is over, incorrect rank rewards are sent out and then kabam sends compensation to those affected.
Everyone is affected.
Lol, no. Not everyone will be affected at the end of the season. In fact, very few alliances will be, mostly those at the top. If everyone gets war1 points, the net points difference compared to others around them will be insignificant, especially in lower tiers where the multiplier is smaller and the brackets are huge. The Master brackets are very small so there will be some movement there. Top 2-4 would be different for example. Some movement in Master top10, top20 and Plat1 maybe. But from Plat2-3 down, the brackets have hundreds of alliances and getting a few more (or less) net points than those around won't move them into a new bracket, except maybe a few at the top or bottom of a bracket. This means that, with the exception of a few dozen alliances, everyone will get their actual rewards.
The fact that the war didnt count changed the whole matchmaking - for everyone. How this would have changed the outcome of the Season isnt predictable so everyone ist affected.
Jezuz, I meant affected in the sense of what rewards everyone gets with and without war1 points. And the fact that kabam will send rewards based on points without war1 added and then scrambling to compensate those very few who would've moved up a reward bracket with those points counted. Talking about matchmaking beeing affected is pointless, because you assume it's working correctly under normal circumstances, which it isn't anyway.
U have no clue what u are talking about. Matchmaking affects also the rewards bcuz u may get harder/easier matchups. Look back at the Season where one war was cancelled. Some alliances got podium/Masters bcuz of that easier matchmaking for them. Now they are nowhere near podium. And thats just an example. Its a fact that everybody is affected. Like it or not but stop with ur nonsense.
You are the one without a clue. That season was completly different. The points for that war didn't count, but war rating still changed (it wasn't supposed to). It was known in advance, so certain alliances took advantage and tanked that war to lower their rating and get easier matchups rest of the season (or at least for a little while). None of that happened this season. Nobody knew points wouldnt work for war1 so nobody tanked. Everyone played straight up, to the best of their abilities, got the correct war rating and matched who they were supposed to match next war and next war and so on. No future matchups were affected. Again, you have no clue how any of this works. Talking about hypothetical matchmaking differences and how that would affect rankings is pointless anyway. Nothing can be done about it. If you think something could be done, then not only you have no clue, you're an idiot too.
Yeah, he’s wrong about that, but your claim that only a few dozen will be affected is way off. The multiplier gap is huge for the top 5 tiers.
Between tier 2 and tier 3, the difference is around 180,000-190,000 points.
Between 3 and 4, it’s 270,000-285,000.
We’ve spent a lot of the season in tier 4, but we lost a tier 2 war in the season standings. Thats 40-50 spots difference at the p3/p4 cutoff versus an alliance that opened with a tier 3 war. Compared to an alliance that started in t4 and went on a winning streak, it is substantially more.
Thats what I said, some alliances at the bracket cutoff will be affected. Seems you might be one of those. Still, you're only looking at yourself and how much 270k points would move you in the standings. But you don't know others situation. When all is adjusted you might not move that much. Plat3 top is 11mil and bottom is 9.3mil. Most will not move out of it. And brackets get larger and larger the lower you go. And rewards difference between them is neglijable. Plat3 and plat4 are almost identical.
Out of the thousands of alliances that play AW, most will qualiffy for same rewards with or without war1 points.
I'd put money on kabam not fixing this before season is over, incorrect rank rewards are sent out and then kabam sends compensation to those affected.
Everyone is affected.
Lol, no. Not everyone will be affected at the end of the season. In fact, very few alliances will be, mostly those at the top. If everyone gets war1 points, the net points difference compared to others around them will be insignificant, especially in lower tiers where the multiplier is smaller and the brackets are huge. The Master brackets are very small so there will be some movement there. Top 2-4 would be different for example. Some movement in Master top10, top20 and Plat1 maybe. But from Plat2-3 down, the brackets have hundreds of alliances and getting a few more (or less) net points than those around won't move them into a new bracket, except maybe a few at the top or bottom of a bracket. This means that, with the exception of a few dozen alliances, everyone will get their actual rewards.
The fact that the war didnt count changed the whole matchmaking - for everyone. How this would have changed the outcome of the Season isnt predictable so everyone ist affected.
Jezuz, I meant affected in the sense of what rewards everyone gets with and without war1 points. And the fact that kabam will send rewards based on points without war1 added and then scrambling to compensate those very few who would've moved up a reward bracket with those points counted. Talking about matchmaking beeing affected is pointless, because you assume it's working correctly under normal circumstances, which it isn't anyway.
U have no clue what u are talking about. Matchmaking affects also the rewards bcuz u may get harder/easier matchups. Look back at the Season where one war was cancelled. Some alliances got podium/Masters bcuz of that easier matchmaking for them. Now they are nowhere near podium. And thats just an example. Its a fact that everybody is affected. Like it or not but stop with ur nonsense.
You are the one without a clue. That season was completly different. The points for that war didn't count, but war rating still changed (it wasn't supposed to). It was known in advance, so certain alliances took advantage and tanked that war to lower their rating and get easier matchups rest of the season (or at least for a little while). None of that happened this season. Nobody knew points wouldnt work for war1 so nobody tanked. Everyone played straight up, to the best of their abilities, got the correct war rating and matched who they were supposed to match next war and next war and so on. No future matchups were affected. Again, you have no clue how any of this works. Talking about hypothetical matchmaking differences and how that would affect rankings is pointless anyway. Nothing can be done about it. If you think something could be done, then not only you have no clue, you're an idiot too.
Lol. See thats the Point where u have no clue. Not the war Rating is the First indicator for matchmaking. Its the leaderboard itself. So stay away from me and dont try to argue if u are this clueless. Surely its not the same like that Season, but i didnt say that also. But some alliances lost, some won. The war didnt count altogether so in a way matchmaking was AGAIN broken. And yh you are right, nothing can be Done about the hypothetical outcome except compensation for everyone bcuz everyone was affected from that. Dont know whats so hard to understand about it. But yh, i am the idiot 😂😂😂😂
No, war rating is main factor in matchmaking. But even if standings were, since nobody had any points after war1, all were at 0, matchmaking for war2 was like it was for war1, when all had 0 to start the season. Nobody got screwed over. Shows how much you know. I'm done with you, you're clueless.
War Rating is not the Main factor, but be happy and think it is. Also u show again how less u understand. Its not about that all were at 0. its about the fact that some alliances should have a win, and some a loss after the First war. This fact solely screwed over the following matchmaking. Go back to Tier23 and school. Thanks.
I'd put money on kabam not fixing this before season is over, incorrect rank rewards are sent out and then kabam sends compensation to those affected.
Everyone is affected.
Lol, no. Not everyone will be affected at the end of the season. In fact, very few alliances will be, mostly those at the top. If everyone gets war1 points, the net points difference compared to others around them will be insignificant, especially in lower tiers where the multiplier is smaller and the brackets are huge. The Master brackets are very small so there will be some movement there. Top 2-4 would be different for example. Some movement in Master top10, top20 and Plat1 maybe. But from Plat2-3 down, the brackets have hundreds of alliances and getting a few more (or less) net points than those around won't move them into a new bracket, except maybe a few at the top or bottom of a bracket. This means that, with the exception of a few dozen alliances, everyone will get their actual rewards.
The fact that the war didnt count changed the whole matchmaking - for everyone. How this would have changed the outcome of the Season isnt predictable so everyone ist affected.
Jezuz, I meant affected in the sense of what rewards everyone gets with and without war1 points. And the fact that kabam will send rewards based on points without war1 added and then scrambling to compensate those very few who would've moved up a reward bracket with those points counted. Talking about matchmaking beeing affected is pointless, because you assume it's working correctly under normal circumstances, which it isn't anyway.
U have no clue what u are talking about. Matchmaking affects also the rewards bcuz u may get harder/easier matchups. Look back at the Season where one war was cancelled. Some alliances got podium/Masters bcuz of that easier matchmaking for them. Now they are nowhere near podium. And thats just an example. Its a fact that everybody is affected. Like it or not but stop with ur nonsense.
You are the one without a clue. That season was completly different. The points for that war didn't count, but war rating still changed (it wasn't supposed to). It was known in advance, so certain alliances took advantage and tanked that war to lower their rating and get easier matchups rest of the season (or at least for a little while). None of that happened this season. Nobody knew points wouldnt work for war1 so nobody tanked. Everyone played straight up, to the best of their abilities, got the correct war rating and matched who they were supposed to match next war and next war and so on. No future matchups were affected. Again, you have no clue how any of this works. Talking about hypothetical matchmaking differences and how that would affect rankings is pointless anyway. Nothing can be done about it. If you think something could be done, then not only you have no clue, you're an idiot too.
Lol. See thats the Point where u have no clue. Not the war Rating is the First indicator for matchmaking. Its the leaderboard itself. So stay away from me and dont try to argue if u are this clueless. Surely its not the same like that Season, but i didnt say that also. But some alliances lost, some won. The war didnt count altogether so in a way matchmaking was AGAIN broken. And yh you are right, nothing can be Done about the hypothetical outcome except compensation for everyone bcuz everyone was affected from that. Dont know whats so hard to understand about it. But yh, i am the idiot 😂😂😂😂
No, war rating is main factor in matchmaking. But even if standings were, since nobody had any points after war1, all were at 0, matchmaking for war2 was like it was for war1, when all had 0 to start the season. Nobody got screwed over. Shows how much you know. I'm done with you, you're clueless.
War Rating is not the Main factor, but be happy and think it is. Also u show again how less u understand. Its not about that all were at 0. its about the fact that some alliances should have a win, and some a loss after the First war. This fact solely screwed over the following matchmaking. Go back to Tier23 and school. Thanks.
Getting lectured about how AW works by a 6month old account. Rich. Tier1 for 50+ seasons of AW buddy, 10 years playing. I think I have more Master titles than how high you can count. Can you count to 40?
I'd put money on kabam not fixing this before season is over, incorrect rank rewards are sent out and then kabam sends compensation to those affected.
Everyone is affected.
Lol, no. Not everyone will be affected at the end of the season. In fact, very few alliances will be, mostly those at the top. If everyone gets war1 points, the net points difference compared to others around them will be insignificant, especially in lower tiers where the multiplier is smaller and the brackets are huge. The Master brackets are very small so there will be some movement there. Top 2-4 would be different for example. Some movement in Master top10, top20 and Plat1 maybe. But from Plat2-3 down, the brackets have hundreds of alliances and getting a few more (or less) net points than those around won't move them into a new bracket, except maybe a few at the top or bottom of a bracket. This means that, with the exception of a few dozen alliances, everyone will get their actual rewards.
The fact that the war didnt count changed the whole matchmaking - for everyone. How this would have changed the outcome of the Season isnt predictable so everyone ist affected.
Jezuz, I meant affected in the sense of what rewards everyone gets with and without war1 points. And the fact that kabam will send rewards based on points without war1 added and then scrambling to compensate those very few who would've moved up a reward bracket with those points counted. Talking about matchmaking beeing affected is pointless, because you assume it's working correctly under normal circumstances, which it isn't anyway.
U have no clue what u are talking about. Matchmaking affects also the rewards bcuz u may get harder/easier matchups. Look back at the Season where one war was cancelled. Some alliances got podium/Masters bcuz of that easier matchmaking for them. Now they are nowhere near podium. And thats just an example. Its a fact that everybody is affected. Like it or not but stop with ur nonsense.
You are the one without a clue. That season was completly different. The points for that war didn't count, but war rating still changed (it wasn't supposed to). It was known in advance, so certain alliances took advantage and tanked that war to lower their rating and get easier matchups rest of the season (or at least for a little while). None of that happened this season. Nobody knew points wouldnt work for war1 so nobody tanked. Everyone played straight up, to the best of their abilities, got the correct war rating and matched who they were supposed to match next war and next war and so on. No future matchups were affected. Again, you have no clue how any of this works. Talking about hypothetical matchmaking differences and how that would affect rankings is pointless anyway. Nothing can be done about it. If you think something could be done, then not only you have no clue, you're an idiot too.
Lol. See thats the Point where u have no clue. Not the war Rating is the First indicator for matchmaking. Its the leaderboard itself. So stay away from me and dont try to argue if u are this clueless. Surely its not the same like that Season, but i didnt say that also. But some alliances lost, some won. The war didnt count altogether so in a way matchmaking was AGAIN broken. And yh you are right, nothing can be Done about the hypothetical outcome except compensation for everyone bcuz everyone was affected from that. Dont know whats so hard to understand about it. But yh, i am the idiot 😂😂😂😂
No, war rating is main factor in matchmaking. But even if standings were, since nobody had any points after war1, all were at 0, matchmaking for war2 was like it was for war1, when all had 0 to start the season. Nobody got screwed over. Shows how much you know. I'm done with you, you're clueless.
War Rating is not the Main factor, but be happy and think it is. Also u show again how less u understand. Its not about that all were at 0. its about the fact that some alliances should have a win, and some a loss after the First war. This fact solely screwed over the following matchmaking. Go back to Tier23 and school. Thanks.
Getting lectured about how AW works by a 6month old account. Rich. Tier1 for 50+ seasons of AW buddy, 10 years playing. I think I have more Master titles than how high you can count. Can you count to 40?
Thought u are done with me but still responding? Alright 😂 dont know what tells me more about u: this or that u (maybe) playing 50+ seasons in Masters and still have no clue how matchmaking works
I'd put money on kabam not fixing this before season is over, incorrect rank rewards are sent out and then kabam sends compensation to those affected.
Everyone is affected.
Lol, no. Not everyone will be affected at the end of the season. In fact, very few alliances will be, mostly those at the top. If everyone gets war1 points, the net points difference compared to others around them will be insignificant, especially in lower tiers where the multiplier is smaller and the brackets are huge. The Master brackets are very small so there will be some movement there. Top 2-4 would be different for example. Some movement in Master top10, top20 and Plat1 maybe. But from Plat2-3 down, the brackets have hundreds of alliances and getting a few more (or less) net points than those around won't move them into a new bracket, except maybe a few at the top or bottom of a bracket. This means that, with the exception of a few dozen alliances, everyone will get their actual rewards.
The fact that the war didnt count changed the whole matchmaking - for everyone. How this would have changed the outcome of the Season isnt predictable so everyone ist affected.
Jezuz, I meant affected in the sense of what rewards everyone gets with and without war1 points. And the fact that kabam will send rewards based on points without war1 added and then scrambling to compensate those very few who would've moved up a reward bracket with those points counted. Talking about matchmaking beeing affected is pointless, because you assume it's working correctly under normal circumstances, which it isn't anyway.
U have no clue what u are talking about. Matchmaking affects also the rewards bcuz u may get harder/easier matchups. Look back at the Season where one war was cancelled. Some alliances got podium/Masters bcuz of that easier matchmaking for them. Now they are nowhere near podium. And thats just an example. Its a fact that everybody is affected. Like it or not but stop with ur nonsense.
You are the one without a clue. That season was completly different. The points for that war didn't count, but war rating still changed (it wasn't supposed to). It was known in advance, so certain alliances took advantage and tanked that war to lower their rating and get easier matchups rest of the season (or at least for a little while). None of that happened this season. Nobody knew points wouldnt work for war1 so nobody tanked. Everyone played straight up, to the best of their abilities, got the correct war rating and matched who they were supposed to match next war and next war and so on. No future matchups were affected. Again, you have no clue how any of this works. Talking about hypothetical matchmaking differences and how that would affect rankings is pointless anyway. Nothing can be done about it. If you think something could be done, then not only you have no clue, you're an idiot too.
Yeah, he’s wrong about that, but your claim that only a few dozen will be affected is way off. The multiplier gap is huge for the top 5 tiers.
Between tier 2 and tier 3, the difference is around 180,000-190,000 points.
Between 3 and 4, it’s 270,000-285,000.
We’ve spent a lot of the season in tier 4, but we lost a tier 2 war in the season standings. Thats 40-50 spots difference at the p3/p4 cutoff versus an alliance that opened with a tier 3 war. Compared to an alliance that started in t4 and went on a winning streak, it is substantially more.
Thats what I said, some alliances at the bracket cutoff will be affected. Seems you might be one of those. Still, you're only looking at yourself and how much 270k points would move you in the standings. But you don't know others situation. When all is adjusted you might not move that much. Plat3 top is 11mil and bottom is 9.3mil. Most will not move out of it. And brackets get larger and larger the lower you go. And rewards difference between them is neglijable. Plat3 and plat4 are almost identical.
Out of the thousands of alliances that play AW, most will qualiffy for same rewards with or without war1 points.
See, that first part is where you’re wrong. Because Kabam nerfed the win bonus to 5000, the standings are driven almost exclusively by your tier. We started barely in tier 2 and slacked our way into tier 4. Our company is alliances who spent the year in 3/4.
I can’t speak to any one particular alliance, but compared to our peers as a group, we’ll benefit the most. Tier 3s that fell to 4 are next. Tier 4s that climbed to 3 will be hurt.
You’ve moved the goalposts from “this is a few dozen alliances” to just saying “most teams are where they’re supposed to be.” No $#!+, Sherlock. The point is that a substantial number will still be disadvantaged. The past trend has been to over-reward to ensure they’re covered.
This is another prime example of when communication can prevent frustration or ill will.
Constructively speaking, I hope, here are ways this could’ve been handled better:
1) announce the war will be counted appropriately, standings refigured, and rewards likely delayed briefly
2) announce that everyone will just be bumped up a tier
3) don’t respond with an “as we said before” when you went radio silent for 2/3 of the war season on the issue.
3b) especially don’t just reaffirm that you’ll tell us when you finalize the plan. Could we get a preview as to some possibilities, considerations, or reason for the delayed announcement? Many of us find the behind the scenes machinations informative, and they’re helpful in building transparency and patience in players.
3c) please don’t do 3b then go silent for 6 more days, because we’re now entering matchmaking for the last war of the season, meaning we’ve gone ten full wars without an actual update of how this might be fixed or when.
This affects when and if people can move alliances, so it affects AQ, BGs and recruiting on top of just the war rewards. It’s hard for officers to manage.
This is another prime example of when communication can prevent frustration or ill will.
Constructively speaking, I hope, here are ways this could’ve been handled better:
1) announce the war will be counted appropriately, standings refigured, and rewards likely delayed briefly
2) announce that everyone will just be bumped up a tier
3) don’t respond with an “as we said before” when you went radio silent for 2/3 of the war season on the issue.
3b) especially don’t just reaffirm that you’ll tell us when you finalize the plan. Could we get a preview as to some possibilities, considerations, or reason for the delayed announcement? Many of us find the behind the scenes machinations informative, and they’re helpful in building transparency and patience in players.
3c) please don’t do 3b then go silent for 6 more days, because we’re now entering matchmaking for the last war of the season, meaning we’ve gone ten full wars without an actual update of how this might be fixed or when.
This affects when and if people can move alliances, so it affects AQ, BGs and recruiting on top of just the war rewards. It’s hard for officers to manage.
To add one more: Don’t announce a solution (giving alliances that didn’t get matched a bye) without also announcing what that means as far as scoring when this isn’t a common fix or one that’s been used before, and continue to go silent without explanation
I admire the positivity, in all this seasons for 10 years they were never able to get the rating and points right from a cancelled war or any war that needed adjustment.
I’d hope that no alliance would drop a rewards tier as a result.
Imagine playing all season, being squarely in a tier at the end, maybe even popping a few pots to ensure you’re safely there. And then finding out a bunch of ally’s jump you because they got points added and you didn’t. And you wait an extra several days while things get “recalculated” for that result.
Unlikely scenario? Possibly. But the guiding principle for this season’s adjustments should be that no alliance gets dropped a tier from where they appear to finish.
I admire the positivity, in all this seasons for 10 years they were never able to get the rating and points right from a cancelled war or any war that needed adjustment.
Exactly this. They were never able to fix these bugged wars - at least they were communicating this every time. So why should it be different now?
As we stated in the post - "As of now, we don't have a timeline attached, but will update as soon as we can target and execute the above plan."
There isn't a definitive update yet, but it is still expected to be fixed before the conclusion of the season.
I know you're just the messenger but the "as we stated" just comes off as condescending. It really wasn't too much for us to expect an explanation of what the solution actually entailed or for it to be carried out prior to the last war of the season.
As we stated in the post - "As of now, we don't have a timeline attached, but will update as soon as we can target and execute the above plan."
There isn't a definitive update yet, but it is still expected to be fixed before the conclusion of the season.
I know you're just the messenger but the "as we stated" just comes off as condescending. It really wasn't too much for us to expect an explanation of what the solution actually entailed or for it to be carried out prior to the last war of the season.
It would’ve been an appropriate expression of frustration after two and a half days, but not two and a half weeks. After that length of delay, those frustrations need to be directed internally to whomever hasn’t prepared a fix to announce.
Strategic decisions needed to be made in these wars. Alliance officers couldn’t be fully informed of where they stood to direct their members.
Now the whole season is over and we still don’t know what’s happening.
I’d hope that no alliance would drop a rewards tier as a result.
Imagine playing all season, being squarely in a tier at the end, maybe even popping a few pots to ensure you’re safely there. And then finding out a bunch of ally’s jump you because they got points added and you didn’t. And you wait an extra several days while things get “recalculated” for that result.
Unlikely scenario? Possibly. But the guiding principle for this season’s adjustments should be that no alliance gets dropped a tier from where they appear to finish.
Dr. Zola
This happened to us. We were rank 195 in P4 before the "fix," which we did because we busted our butt the last war to make sure we won. After the readjusting, we are now r3 in P5.
I’d hope that no alliance would drop a rewards tier as a result.
Imagine playing all season, being squarely in a tier at the end, maybe even popping a few pots to ensure you’re safely there. And then finding out a bunch of ally’s jump you because they got points added and you didn’t. And you wait an extra several days while things get “recalculated” for that result.
Unlikely scenario? Possibly. But the guiding principle for this season’s adjustments should be that no alliance gets dropped a tier from where they appear to finish.
Dr. Zola
This happened to us. We were rank 195 in P4 before the "fix," which we did because we busted our butt the last war to make sure we won. After the readjusting, we are now r3 in P5.
I'm beyond livid.
I would be too.
I *think* we got points, for the bye week, but I honestly don’t know. At any rate, we moved up within our tier which wouldn’t make sense if we got points.
At this point, I don’t think the team has earned the benefit of the doubt for us to “just trust them.” And the in-game message actually makes things more unclear.
Yes, a BYE includes points, and pretty sure it is based on as if you WON a war.
(first, of course points, otherwise why even call it a bye, it would just be a non-war then, and they wouldn’t have had to do anything about those)
Should be the same as for the very bottom alliance (in each of the 1BG, 2BG, and 3BG war alliances), when BYE's first came into existence. So while normally it only is done for at most 3 alliances at the very bottom every war, BYE's are something that have existed for a while.
It's just now, that it actually is being applied to a whole lotta teams, and even teams very high up.
Personally, don’t know it the amount of points given for a Bye is as if you had MAXIMUM, as in 3 full 100% Attack Bonus (no deaths), and 100% Diversity, or not (offhand, I’d say “maybe so”, just because that is what could have been possible, even though not necessarily realistic). Or if they factor in a sort of representative # of deaths. But would definitely assume at least full Diversity and 100% Explore with Boss Kills, and the Winning War Bonus.
To tell for sure, someone in those situations would have had to screencap (or enter into their top-tier spreadsheets where they all know what everyone else does for the whole season, every war), their points before and then after the adjustment, to be able to see the difference,
I’d hope that no alliance would drop a rewards tier as a result.
Imagine playing all season, being squarely in a tier at the end, maybe even popping a few pots to ensure you’re safely there. And then finding out a bunch of ally’s jump you because they got points added and you didn’t. And you wait an extra several days while things get “recalculated” for that result.
Unlikely scenario? Possibly. But the guiding principle for this season’s adjustments should be that no alliance gets dropped a tier from where they appear to finish.
Dr. Zola
This happened to us. We were rank 195 in P4 before the "fix," which we did because we busted our butt the last war to make sure we won. After the readjusting, we are now r3 in P5.
I'm beyond livid.
Happened to my alliance too. We were ranked 47 in P2; managed to stress and pull together the last war to hold our rank there. 2 hours after season ends, we're now Rank 17 P3. My mates are genuinely discussing leaving the game as a result
I’d hope that no alliance would drop a rewards tier as a result.
Imagine playing all season, being squarely in a tier at the end, maybe even popping a few pots to ensure you’re safely there. And then finding out a bunch of ally’s jump you because they got points added and you didn’t. And you wait an extra several days while things get “recalculated” for that result.
Unlikely scenario? Possibly. But the guiding principle for this season’s adjustments should be that no alliance gets dropped a tier from where they appear to finish.
Dr. Zola
This happened to us. We were rank 195 in P4 before the "fix," which we did because we busted our butt the last war to make sure we won. After the readjusting, we are now r3 in P5.
I'm beyond livid.
Happened to my alliance too. We were ranked 47 in P2; managed to stress and pull together the last war to hold our rank there. 2 hours after season ends, we're now Rank 17 P3. My mates are genuinely discussing leaving the game as a result
That 2 hour period after war is over its still calculating, its normal.
I’d hope that no alliance would drop a rewards tier as a result.
Imagine playing all season, being squarely in a tier at the end, maybe even popping a few pots to ensure you’re safely there. And then finding out a bunch of ally’s jump you because they got points added and you didn’t. And you wait an extra several days while things get “recalculated” for that result.
Unlikely scenario? Possibly. But the guiding principle for this season’s adjustments should be that no alliance gets dropped a tier from where they appear to finish.
Dr. Zola
This happened to us. We were rank 195 in P4 before the "fix," which we did because we busted our butt the last war to make sure we won. After the readjusting, we are now r3 in P5.
I'm beyond livid.
Happened to my alliance too. We were ranked 47 in P2; managed to stress and pull together the last war to hold our rank there. 2 hours after season ends, we're now Rank 17 P3. My mates are genuinely discussing leaving the game as a result
That 2 hour period after war is over its still calculating, its normal.
Can confirm seen this a zillion times. Not sure how people don't know about this by now.
I’d hope that no alliance would drop a rewards tier as a result.
Imagine playing all season, being squarely in a tier at the end, maybe even popping a few pots to ensure you’re safely there. And then finding out a bunch of ally’s jump you because they got points added and you didn’t. And you wait an extra several days while things get “recalculated” for that result.
Unlikely scenario? Possibly. But the guiding principle for this season’s adjustments should be that no alliance gets dropped a tier from where they appear to finish.
Dr. Zola
This happened to us. We were rank 195 in P4 before the "fix," which we did because we busted our butt the last war to make sure we won. After the readjusting, we are now r3 in P5.
I'm beyond livid.
Happened to my alliance too. We were ranked 47 in P2; managed to stress and pull together the last war to hold our rank there. 2 hours after season ends, we're now Rank 17 P3. My mates are genuinely discussing leaving the game as a result
That 2 hour period after war is over its still calculating, its normal.
Can confirm seen this a zillion times. Not sure how people don't know about this by now.
Yes I'm aware of this. The initial rank for us was 164 P4. Our "settled" rank was 195 P4, where it stayed for several hours yesterday. Then, only as Kabam started messing with everything, we dropped 8 spots.
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Still, you're only looking at yourself and how much 270k points would move you in the standings. But you don't know others situation. When all is adjusted you might not move that much. Plat3 top is 11mil and bottom is 9.3mil. Most will not move out of it. And brackets get larger and larger the lower you go. And rewards difference between them is neglijable. Plat3 and plat4 are almost identical.
Out of the thousands of alliances that play AW, most will qualiffy for same rewards with or without war1 points.
Also u show again how less u understand. Its not about that all were at 0. its about the fact that some alliances should have a win, and some a loss after the First war. This fact solely screwed over the following matchmaking. Go back to Tier23 and school. Thanks.
Tier1 for 50+ seasons of AW buddy, 10 years playing. I think I have more Master titles than how high you can count. Can you count to 40?
I can’t speak to any one particular alliance, but compared to our peers as a group, we’ll benefit the most. Tier 3s that fell to 4 are next. Tier 4s that climbed to 3 will be hurt.
You’ve moved the goalposts from “this is a few dozen alliances” to just saying “most teams are where they’re supposed to be.” No $#!+, Sherlock. The point is that a substantial number will still be disadvantaged. The past trend has been to over-reward to ensure they’re covered.
Constructively speaking,
I hope, here are ways this could’ve been handled better:
1) announce the war will be counted appropriately, standings refigured, and rewards likely delayed briefly
2) announce that everyone will just be bumped up a tier
3) don’t respond with an “as we said before” when you went radio silent for 2/3 of the war season on the issue.
3b) especially don’t just reaffirm that you’ll tell us when you finalize the plan. Could we get a preview as to some possibilities, considerations, or reason for the delayed announcement? Many of us find the behind the scenes machinations informative, and they’re helpful in building transparency and patience in players.
3c) please don’t do 3b then go silent for 6 more days, because we’re now entering matchmaking for the last war of the season, meaning we’ve gone ten full wars without an actual update of how this might be fixed or when.
This affects when and if people can move alliances, so it affects AQ, BGs and recruiting on top of just the war rewards. It’s hard for officers to manage.
Imagine playing all season, being squarely in a tier at the end, maybe even popping a few pots to ensure you’re safely there. And then finding out a bunch of ally’s jump you because they got points added and you didn’t. And you wait an extra several days while things get “recalculated” for that result.
Unlikely scenario? Possibly. But the guiding principle for this season’s adjustments should be that no alliance gets dropped a tier from where they appear to finish.
Dr. Zola
Strategic decisions needed to be made in these wars. Alliance officers couldn’t be fully informed of where they stood to direct their members.
Now the whole season is over and we still don’t know what’s happening.
I'm beyond livid.
I *think* we got points, for the bye week, but I honestly don’t know. At any rate, we moved up within our tier which wouldn’t make sense if we got points.
At this point, I don’t think the team has earned the benefit of the doubt for us to “just trust them.” And the in-game message actually makes things more unclear.
Dr. Zola
(first, of course points, otherwise why even call it a bye, it would just be a non-war then, and they wouldn’t have had to do anything about those)
Should be the same as for the very bottom alliance (in each of the 1BG, 2BG, and 3BG war alliances), when BYE's first came into existence. So while normally it only is done for at most 3 alliances at the very bottom every war, BYE's are something that have existed for a while.
It's just now, that it actually is being applied to a whole lotta teams, and even teams very high up.
Personally, don’t know it the amount of points given for a Bye is as if you had MAXIMUM, as in 3 full 100% Attack Bonus (no deaths), and 100% Diversity, or not (offhand, I’d say “maybe so”, just because that is what could have been possible, even though not necessarily realistic).
Or if they factor in a sort of representative # of deaths.
But would definitely assume at least full Diversity and 100% Explore with Boss Kills, and the Winning War Bonus.
To tell for sure, someone in those situations would have had to screencap (or enter into their top-tier spreadsheets where they all know what everyone else does for the whole season, every war), their points before and then after the adjustment, to be able to see the difference,