NEW Battegrounds format for the 90000th time

Ironmark48Ironmark48 Member Posts: 32
This discussion will probably get left in the dark but i still want to say some of my thoughts about the game mode.
We all know Battlegrounds have been getting pretty stale lately, all i hear are valid and rational complaints like the bad RNG, terrible matchmaking, boring metas, hideous Champions choices etc.
I'm gonna make this post short and straight to the point. I'm not here to change the rewards, change the different ranks, or whatever, just the game mode itself.
Battlegrounds revamp:
-Every season Kabam would pick 80 out of the 300 available champions;
-Both players would get 30 random champions out of those 80 but equally distributed (You get Iron Man, the opponent gets Iron Man and etc.);
-Both players still can ban 3 champions they dislike;
-You get a pool of 9 random champs every round (instead of 3 or 5);
-Every champ is locked at 6* sig 200;
-The rank ups are still effective.
For example, you have a rank 4 Spiral it wouldn't be fair getting her only as a 6*, that's why the "new boost" system would be implemented here. For each 7* rank the player would get a bonus % boost depending on the rank. A 7* rank 1 would get +10% attack and hp, rank 2 +20% and so on, but both on defense and attack (defender and attacker get more 10% health and attack, +20% etc.). Of course the bonus percentages could be reduced.
That way it wouldn't be useless to rank up x champion. Also if you don´t have a specific champion that was probaby just released you both would still get it, but in a small chance, Kabam has to profit off of those new champions.
I know it still has some flaws and some RNG involved but still i think the mode would be then more replayable, fair and unique.
Tell me what are your thoughts on this.
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  • Ironmark48Ironmark48 Member Posts: 32

    By fair you just mean that weaker players get a buff and stronger players get a nerf then? This solves nothing

    Not at all. Weaker players still get less advantages, they're capped by the 6*, the other players with the 7* get those extra attack and defensive bonuses. The rank ups aren't irrelevant.
  • Ironmark48Ironmark48 Member Posts: 32

    Besides being incredibly difficult for them to program and implement, I have to say that I am fairly surprised by how terrible this idea is.
    This would be a slap in the face not only to the supporting player base, but also to the majority of players that actually try to compete.

    It's just an idea, of course Kabam is never gonna implement this. And i don't think it would screw up players at all tbh.
  • Ironmark48Ironmark48 Member Posts: 32

    Show us your battlegrounds deck so we know what's your true intentions

    I'm a Valiant player, my deck is what you expect it to be. Some disgusting champs and some likeable ones.
  • FurrymoosenFurrymoosen Member Posts: 6,075 ★★★★★

    Besides being incredibly difficult for them to program and implement, I have to say that I am fairly surprised by how terrible this idea is.
    This would be a slap in the face not only to the supporting player base, but also to the majority of players that actually try to compete.

    It's just an idea, of course Kabam is never gonna implement this. And i don't think it would screw up players at all tbh.
    For the sake of the argument, what does your roster look like? Because most commonly, these kind of ideas come from players that simply don't have the roster to compete at a high level. And that's fine, but you need to bring the whole picture into perspective.
    So with an idea like this, small accounts get the chance to compete on a more even playing field and with a likely more substantial roster than they have themselves. Okay, sounds nice so far.
    What do big accounts get out of this? They get their roster taken away.

    The conversation around what is and isn't fair in BGs is silly when what players view as fair is simply an opportunity for them at the expense of others, even if they try to wiggle things around to pretend that expense doesn't exist.

    Does the NBA redraft the entire league every game to make sure the teams are on an even playing field because we have to look out for the poor, helpless Wizards? Well, no. They don't get an advantage to their roster just because they can't beat the Celtics, and the Celtics don't get their roster taken away just because they're in the top.
    Fairest gameplay is build your own team and fight whatever opponent comes.
  • Graves_3Graves_3 Member Posts: 1,801 ★★★★★

    By fair you just mean that weaker players get a buff and stronger players get a nerf then? This solves nothing

    Not at all. Weaker players still get less advantages, they're capped by the 6*, the other players with the 7* get those extra attack and defensive bonuses. The rank ups aren't irrelevant.
    You also mentioned that if they are missing a champ, kabam will automatically give them an sig 200 6*. Isn’t that a massive advantage for weaker rosters? Somebody spent 1000$ to get dark Phoenix. So kabam will be like here you go cavalier. Take this sig 200 dark Phoenix for free.
  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 8,457 ★★★★★
    Unless its a full preset deck of 6r5a, no thanks. I have no interest on spending resources to rank and level 6*s at all.
  • spiderknight616spiderknight616 Member Posts: 779 ★★★

    Besides being incredibly difficult for them to program and implement, I have to say that I am fairly surprised by how terrible this idea is.
    This would be a slap in the face not only to the supporting player base, but also to the majority of players that actually try to compete.
    Stuff like this would be fun for like a one-off 24 hour tournament, but not as a rebuild of the game mode.

    Honestly yeah, would be cool to see something like this for a short 3 day event
  • Ironmark48Ironmark48 Member Posts: 32

    Unless its a full preset deck of 6r5a, no thanks. I have no interest on spending resources to rank and level 6*s at all.

    It is tho, it´s a preset of every champion. Probably should have said that lol mb.
  • Ironmark48Ironmark48 Member Posts: 32
    Graves_3 said:

    By fair you just mean that weaker players get a buff and stronger players get a nerf then? This solves nothing

    Not at all. Weaker players still get less advantages, they're capped by the 6*, the other players with the 7* get those extra attack and defensive bonuses. The rank ups aren't irrelevant.
    You also mentioned that if they are missing a champ, kabam will automatically give them an sig 200 6*. Isn’t that a massive advantage for weaker rosters? Somebody spent 1000$ to get dark Phoenix. So kabam will be like here you go cavalier. Take this sig 200 dark Phoenix for free.
    Could be taken as a massive advantage, however, that player doesn't know how to play with that champion. Besides, it would be only available in Battlegrounds. not in another form of content.
  • Ironmark48Ironmark48 Member Posts: 32
    edited May 27

    Besides being incredibly difficult for them to program and implement, I have to say that I am fairly surprised by how terrible this idea is.
    This would be a slap in the face not only to the supporting player base, but also to the majority of players that actually try to compete.

    It's just an idea, of course Kabam is never gonna implement this. And i don't think it would screw up players at all tbh.
    For the sake of the argument, what does your roster look like? Because most commonly, these kind of ideas come from players that simply don't have the roster to compete at a high level. And that's fine, but you need to bring the whole picture into perspective.
    So with an idea like this, small accounts get the chance to compete on a more even playing field and with a likely more substantial roster than they have themselves. Okay, sounds nice so far.
    What do big accounts get out of this? They get their roster taken away.

    The conversation around what is and isn't fair in BGs is silly when what players view as fair is simply an opportunity for them at the expense of others, even if they try to wiggle things around to pretend that expense doesn't exist.

    Does the NBA redraft the entire league every game to make sure the teams are on an even playing field because we have to look out for the poor, helpless Wizards? Well, no. They don't get an advantage to their roster just because they can't beat the Celtics, and the Celtics don't get their roster taken away just because they're in the top.
    Fairest gameplay is build your own team and fight whatever opponent comes.
    Unironically i have a decent roster, lots of rank 3's, a rank 4 (going for 2nd next month) and almost a full 7*deck. I know how to play, it's just the game mode lately has been getting so unfair, im being paired up with whales with literally 7 rank 4's with all the new 2024 and 2025 champions sig 200. I might sound like a crybaby but that's not my intention. They have spent all that money on the game and they deserve to get that champion or that rank. I'm not against it, just find it unfair (matchmaking wise). Like, who deserves to win? The player with a max 6* fighting to death against a new obnoxious rank 4 defender or the player with the perfect roster and counter that kills the defender inn 4 hits because of luck? Isn't this mode supposed to be about skill?
  • JESUSCHRISTJESUSCHRIST Member Posts: 1,594 ★★★★

    Show us your battlegrounds deck so we know what's your true intentions

    I'm a Valiant player, my deck is what you expect it to be. Some disgusting champs and some likeable ones.
    No photo no talk
  • JESUSCHRISTJESUSCHRIST Member Posts: 1,594 ★★★★
    No shortcut for players without a strong deck

    Bad suggestion
  • Ironmark48Ironmark48 Member Posts: 32

    Show us your battlegrounds deck so we know what's your true intentions

    I'm a Valiant player, my deck is what you expect it to be. Some disgusting champs and some likeable ones.
    No photo no talk



  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 8,457 ★★★★★

    Unless its a full preset deck of 6r5a, no thanks. I have no interest on spending resources to rank and level 6*s at all.

    It is tho, it´s a preset of every champion. Probably should have said that lol mb.
    Well that's a terrible idea too. Deck strength is not just based on champs you own, your investment in their ranks matter too. Everyone should not have access to champs they don't have or ranks they haven't invested on. Like others have said this is just an advantage to small rosters and lower progression people.
  • Ironmark48Ironmark48 Member Posts: 32
    Pikolu said:

    Show us your battlegrounds deck so we know what's your true intentions

    I'm a Valiant player, my deck is what you expect it to be. Some disgusting champs and some likeable ones.
    No photo no talk



    Ngl, the screenshots make it easy to see why you're struggling in BGs.
    I'm at Gamma III, my best rank so far. I usually just play 3 matches on GC and stop.
  • Emilia90Emilia90 Member Posts: 3,864 ★★★★★

    Pikolu said:

    Show us your battlegrounds deck so we know what's your true intentions

    I'm a Valiant player, my deck is what you expect it to be. Some disgusting champs and some likeable ones.
    No photo no talk



    Ngl, the screenshots make it easy to see why you're struggling in BGs.
    I'm at Gamma III, my best rank so far. I usually just play 3 matches on GC and stop.
    Gamma with that roster is pretty good. Keep working at it
  • FurrymoosenFurrymoosen Member Posts: 6,075 ★★★★★

    Besides being incredibly difficult for them to program and implement, I have to say that I am fairly surprised by how terrible this idea is.
    This would be a slap in the face not only to the supporting player base, but also to the majority of players that actually try to compete.

    It's just an idea, of course Kabam is never gonna implement this. And i don't think it would screw up players at all tbh.
    For the sake of the argument, what does your roster look like? Because most commonly, these kind of ideas come from players that simply don't have the roster to compete at a high level. And that's fine, but you need to bring the whole picture into perspective.
    So with an idea like this, small accounts get the chance to compete on a more even playing field and with a likely more substantial roster than they have themselves. Okay, sounds nice so far.
    What do big accounts get out of this? They get their roster taken away.

    The conversation around what is and isn't fair in BGs is silly when what players view as fair is simply an opportunity for them at the expense of others, even if they try to wiggle things around to pretend that expense doesn't exist.

    Does the NBA redraft the entire league every game to make sure the teams are on an even playing field because we have to look out for the poor, helpless Wizards? Well, no. They don't get an advantage to their roster just because they can't beat the Celtics, and the Celtics don't get their roster taken away just because they're in the top.
    Fairest gameplay is build your own team and fight whatever opponent comes.
    Unironically i have a decent roster, lots of rank 3's, a rank 4 (going for 2nd next month) and almost a full 7*deck. I know how to play, it's just the game mode lately has been getting so unfair, im being paired up with whales with literally 7 rank 4's with all the new 2024 and 2025 champions sig 200. I might sound like a crybaby but that's not my intention. They have spent all that money on the game and they deserve to get that champion or that rank. I'm not against it, just find it unfair (matchmaking wise). Like, who deserves to win? The player with a max 6* fighting to death against a new obnoxious rank 4 defender or the player with the perfect roster and counter that kills the defender inn 4 hits because of luck? Isn't this mode supposed to be about skill?
    No, the game mode is not supposed to be about skill. Skill is a component to it, but roster and the draft also play significant roles. A bad draft can cripple a player with the top accounts.
    The player that deserves to win is the player that best puts all of the components together. There's a reason arm wrestlers aren't fighting in the UFC.
  • Ironmark48Ironmark48 Member Posts: 32

    Besides being incredibly difficult for them to program and implement, I have to say that I am fairly surprised by how terrible this idea is.
    This would be a slap in the face not only to the supporting player base, but also to the majority of players that actually try to compete.

    It's just an idea, of course Kabam is never gonna implement this. And i don't think it would screw up players at all tbh.
    For the sake of the argument, what does your roster look like? Because most commonly, these kind of ideas come from players that simply don't have the roster to compete at a high level. And that's fine, but you need to bring the whole picture into perspective.
    So with an idea like this, small accounts get the chance to compete on a more even playing field and with a likely more substantial roster than they have themselves. Okay, sounds nice so far.
    What do big accounts get out of this? They get their roster taken away.

    The conversation around what is and isn't fair in BGs is silly when what players view as fair is simply an opportunity for them at the expense of others, even if they try to wiggle things around to pretend that expense doesn't exist.

    Does the NBA redraft the entire league every game to make sure the teams are on an even playing field because we have to look out for the poor, helpless Wizards? Well, no. They don't get an advantage to their roster just because they can't beat the Celtics, and the Celtics don't get their roster taken away just because they're in the top.
    Fairest gameplay is build your own team and fight whatever opponent comes.
    Unironically i have a decent roster, lots of rank 3's, a rank 4 (going for 2nd next month) and almost a full 7*deck. I know how to play, it's just the game mode lately has been getting so unfair, im being paired up with whales with literally 7 rank 4's with all the new 2024 and 2025 champions sig 200. I might sound like a crybaby but that's not my intention. They have spent all that money on the game and they deserve to get that champion or that rank. I'm not against it, just find it unfair (matchmaking wise). Like, who deserves to win? The player with a max 6* fighting to death against a new obnoxious rank 4 defender or the player with the perfect roster and counter that kills the defender inn 4 hits because of luck? Isn't this mode supposed to be about skill?
    No, the game mode is not supposed to be about skill. Skill is a component to it, but roster and the draft also play significant roles. A bad draft can cripple a player with the top accounts.
    The player that deserves to win is the player that best puts all of the components together. There's a reason arm wrestlers aren't fighting in the UFC.
    My idea still has some luck into it, it's the base of all games and it shouldn't be removed. I understand that both players should fight intellectually (picking the best champions and the best strategies) and physically (playing the fight itself with your hands). But at the same time, the player shouldn't win just because he had the better luck, or the better draft, that's not how competitive stuff should work. Battlegrounds right now is 80% RNG and 20% skill.
  • Herbal_TaxmanHerbal_Taxman Member Posts: 2,124 ★★★★★
    Applaud the effort to bring any fresh idea to the forum, especially one related to BGs. This environment is generally hostile to such things.

    Crashed said at one point that they are planning to experiment with formats and events. Something like what you’re envisioning would be a killer 3-day event, IMO. Whether or not it’s a perfect idea, it’s good for people to consider possibilities.
  • JESUSCHRISTJESUSCHRIST Member Posts: 1,594 ★★★★
    Having players get access to champions they don't own is a huge technical difficulty for the game developers to overcome given the way the game is built

    It's easier said than done honestly
  • Herbal_TaxmanHerbal_Taxman Member Posts: 2,124 ★★★★★

    Having players get access to champions they don't own is a huge technical difficulty for the game developers to overcome given the way the game is built

    It's easier said than done honestly

    Honestly, I don’t believe you (nor I) know a damn thing about whether or not something like that is technically difficult.
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 23,098 ★★★★★
    Nah. We develop rosters for a reason.
  • Herbal_TaxmanHerbal_Taxman Member Posts: 2,124 ★★★★★
    Yeah man, god forbid you have to set aside your Rulk for a couple of days.
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