300 points lost in war rating. Collective punishment
CeresCPH
Member Posts: 69 ★
This is absolutely unacceptable.
During this season break in AW there has been a lot of movements between alliances. This include ours.
This means that we have had new members on board testing setups and so on.
One of the new members got banned. We did easily conclude that he did something wrongfully.
Now we have been notified that we got a collective punishment. Our war rating has dropped with 300 points. That is sickening.
How can Kabam justify a collective punishment? Where did this mentality come from? It is so disrespectful to 29 other people’s work.
As officers we bear a responsibility. But we do not posses superhero powers like a mutant. We cannot cross check anything. We only have our eyes and feeling. But we do also have respect and cannot be accusing alliance members of cheating without the smoking gun.
Kabam, please end this collective mentality towards cheaters.
Cheaters should be instantly banned on a permanent basis, however don’t insult the clean players on the way.
I am so disappointed. Lost my motivation. Such a shame!
During this season break in AW there has been a lot of movements between alliances. This include ours.
This means that we have had new members on board testing setups and so on.
One of the new members got banned. We did easily conclude that he did something wrongfully.
Now we have been notified that we got a collective punishment. Our war rating has dropped with 300 points. That is sickening.
How can Kabam justify a collective punishment? Where did this mentality come from? It is so disrespectful to 29 other people’s work.
As officers we bear a responsibility. But we do not posses superhero powers like a mutant. We cannot cross check anything. We only have our eyes and feeling. But we do also have respect and cannot be accusing alliance members of cheating without the smoking gun.
Kabam, please end this collective mentality towards cheaters.
Cheaters should be instantly banned on a permanent basis, however don’t insult the clean players on the way.
I am so disappointed. Lost my motivation. Such a shame!
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That's the mentality
We get the punishment too. Without having anyway to stop such a thing to happening in the future too.
His actions effectively altered the benefits of 89 people between your ally and your opponents. That's why you lost the rating.
What I am trying to make clear is that we, as an alliance, didn’t get any benefit. We might even have lost the war he was participating in. AQ-wise we finished day 4 and 5 on map 5 without his assistance. So as you might figure he wasn’t any true asset.
How should we be able to suspect him? I have no idea what kind of cheating that can be used, so I don’t know what to look for. And any new guy you haven’t seen fighting can’t be judged simply be seeing how much or little health he losses in a few fights.
However as a result of this I guess we will notify Kabam about all new members asking them to check any new guy in the alliance. Because better safe than sorry. A collective punishment can smash all your work in the middle of a season. This is luckily in the break and we got time to rebuild the war rating.
Didn't you say this???
One of the new members got banned. We did easily conclude that he did something wrongfully.
While I understand your frustrations and I believe there are problems with the way Kabam handles this type of situation in general, the punishment for cheating cannot be based on the degree of profit from that cheating. The point to punishing cheaters is not to remove the benefits of cheating, it is to deter even the attempt at cheating.
There are alliances that condone cheating, and while you might not be one of them, the punishment is calibrated on the assumption you are, because the game has no real way to definitively tell the difference.
When someone is getting banned it isn’t that difficult to conclude that they did something wrongfully. That is what I said.
I get the point about our opponents, however he was in the alliance for 1 war. He did not alter the final results (we lost the war - yes even with a cheater).
So basically we got a punishment without getting any advantage in game. Even if we had won the war he would never be able to win the war by him self. He was designated to path 8 - the easiest path in AW. He didn’t touch the mini boss either.
What I am trying to state is that Kabam gave us a punishment as a group that it is unjustifiable.
Nevertheless we are kind of pleased with the minor set back in war rating. We will now be facing weaker opponents and perhaps do a 5-6 win streak.
While cheating is really a bad thing and should be punishable...the gravity of this punishment just doesnt sound right in the sense that its reach affected whole ally....
Also, the players in question are lucky if they even receive a 2 week ban
How did I change the story? What I did - after someone started to talk about that we have won 3 - 4 wars this way - I checked all our AW results available. Identified the one he was a part of and concluded that we actually last that war.
If you think I am changing the story then feel free to point that for me.
Finally a fellow officer that gets the point. The guy was in our alliance for a very limited of time. How should we even be able to identify this? In my opinion Kabam should only punish an alliance as whole, if that alliance should have been able to avoid the situation.
Perhaps this is a cultural difference between US and Europe. At least I can't understand why Kabam would punish 29 people when no one between the 29 of us had an idea that we had a cheater among us.
Atleast there must be something to blame us before we get a punishment - otherwise it is like getting a ticket for speeding without driving too fast!
1. Give us tools or a page with the names of players that have been banned and why.
2. Give us a page to submit people who camp or jump alliances - (this is just a request not needed)
3. Inform us that we have a player(player name) in our alliance as soon as it is recognized and allow us to get rid of them.
4. If you don't give us any way of vetting a player for these actions - how the heck can you blame us and punish us - this is your FAULT not the alliances.
5. You have thrown out a blanket Fix that is equivalent to - bleed is too powerful so we are gonna go and find ever fight you won from bleed champs and take the rewards away. This is ludacris.
You guys have to do better than this man. Many of us are really liking the game and stuff like this is a lack of development and laziness on your part. Of course the upside for Kabam is the players may now need to use recourse to get back to the place they were. WIN FOR KABAM. You guys are really quickly becoming negative.....