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Outage and AW Seasons

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    NeotwismNeotwism Posts: 1,803 ★★★★★
    @ChocolatedThunderrr i agree with you. I was siding with them at the start of this post but after the comment about how it affects higher alliances more than low alliances, ive changed my position. Just because a person can afford uas much effort trying to get to the top.
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    MjolinarMjolinar Posts: 157 ★★
    Seasons will turn Alliance Wars into the most competitive, and lucrative mode in the game.

    Tier 1 war, masters division, we are up by 2 deaths and are lining up boss killers to boost to the teeth and take down 4 remaining nodes, including 2 bosses. 40 minutes left, everything is set, everyone is watching, frantically switching between Line app and the game. We are gonna get this win.... Then, game goes down for 45 minutes and, not only are we robbed on the victory and possible #1 overall placement, 2 bosses and 2 other nodes are left standing and we get relegated to platinum 3.

    How is this competition? How are the 30 top skill veterans supposed to proceed?

    Insult to injury: we all open support tickets that got auto closed this morning with a generic reply.

    @Kabam Miike we are not whining for compensation or asking for our boosts and pots back. We are competitors who enjoy playing the game for that very moment above. Please make this right. You have the data, this isn't something I am making up looking for a handout. Integrity of your most most competitive game mode is at stake here. Please do the right thing and be proactive about fixing this.

    Thanks

    If you had a war going on when the game went down early this morning you're only getting 2 of possible 3 alliance wars in this AW cycle. Missing alliance means not finishing in master tier.

    I believe this is a valid point. No war was ending last night if you were planning on doing three wars this week. And if you were skipping a war, good luck on finishing 1st?
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    DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Posts: 21,368 ★★★★★
    Danp43 wrote: »
    I am a member in New Nation, our goal for this season was to Rank first in the Master bracket and we have done hours of preparation and spent thousands of thousands to prepare for this season
    After the first war in the season we were the number one alliance in master bracket and we were up in our second war, it was a 100% win for us against ASR and then the game went down and we lost the opportunity to take down the bosses and win the war
    As you know you lose so many points if you don’t clear the map 100% and now not only we lost our chance to win the season 3 as rank one, but most likely we wouldn’t even be in master bracket.
    This is unacceptable
    Alliance wars at the highest level is a different scenario and requires so much planing up until the last minutes and taking away those last minutes from an alliance who was doing great and going forward based on a plan is not the same thing as taking away 45 minuets from a casual low level alliance. Also the rewards for top alliance that are competing at the top changes hugely from rank one to rank 10 or from master bracket to platinum bracket so that down time effected us very differently from other alliances in the lower levels.
    Before this we were at rank one in the master bracket and it hurt our season score so much that it took away any chance for us to get back to the top of master bracket, specially that seasons are shorter now
    So the auto reply that you sent to everyone is just not gonna work for our alliance and you have to fix our score because we know you have done it before for other alliances like MMXIV.
    We will not rest until this wrong doing that was done to our alliance gets fixed.
    please investigate what happened to our alliance properly and come up with a proper respond, we know you have the data but we have all the evidence and footage to backup our claim if you need us to provide you with some

    You copied and pastes what that whitemummy wrote.
    Again, you werent officically in master 1. Plus you only lost 3 spots on the leaderboard. Get over it.
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    Maximus_SpankersonMaximus_Spankerson Posts: 445 ★★
    Spending or not is not the point. It’s fairness of the contest.
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    R4GER4GE Posts: 1,530 ★★★★
    Dukie5021 wrote: »
    who's to say that you would have for sure taken out the 4 nodes(2 of them bosses) without taking 2 deaths? i understand the frustration, but, kabam nor anyone else can assume that you would've won the war to begin with. i understand the strategy, but, that's what it was, a strategy. if there wasn't a risk/reward to doing it that way it wouldn't be a "strategy" it'd just be the way. sucks that it went that way.

    Its not just about the win, the exact same thing happened to my alliance. We would have ended up losing, but we weren't able to drop the last couple defenders, one being a main boss. At top tiers thats a lot of points lost towards season rankings where tiers hold less alliances.

    At a competitive level it isn't always "hurry and finish." You go in quick and strong but things do happen that cause you to have to regroup and replan with some portal changing or waiting to see where your reserve should go. Sometimes you're even waiting to see what your opponents are gonna do when each of you have a struggle or hold up. If everything is easy and goes well than you can hurry and finish to try and beat the possibility of some unknown outage, but things happen. You're given 24 hours and should be able to utilize it to whatever strategy fits the current situation in that war.

    Those outages also cause deaths when they happen during your fights, which eliminates attack bonuses and causes losses.
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    R4GER4GE Posts: 1,530 ★★★★
    Rednick69 wrote: »
    Yall should have done it sooner kind of like the other team did that beat you. Early bird gets the worm?


    You know it doesn't work that way
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    Danp43Danp43 Posts: 14
    Spending or not is not the point. It’s fairness of the contest.

    And that’s my point. The fairness of the contest is skewed.. there is no fairness. Only manipulation from alliances, and addicts that buy favor. That’s what it is, and nothing else. We don’t see anything from the top alliances when it comes to balance and fairness. Only when something effects them directly, call foul!! They don’t speak for the community, they speak when it pertains to them. No love from me. And I’m a vet that doesn’t spend. Almost done with LOL 100 and 7100 prestige. But have always advocated for the community, not just my alliance .

    The ”we” in our instance does pertain to our specific alliance war, we decided to vocalize this issue because it affected us along with dozens of other highly competitive alliances that may or may not feel so passionatly about war seasons... I am unsure why we are scrutinized for investing in the game or how we don’t advocate for the community; in fact this post was aimed at direct answers from @Kabam Miike @Ad0ra_ @Kabam Wolf @Kabam Vydious as to how they plan on dealing with recent outages in the game that have caused negative impacts on competitive modes and hurt alliances like us from fair chances at winning... also, and on a personal note, these proclaimed alliances who buy favor or only care about ourselves over the community: we are the ones who rallied together and fought the 12.0 release head on, signed petitions, sent emails, wrote reviews and put the serious bug in the ear of Kabam to make changes or we would walk- it happened again during the big boycott because they have to know we are serious- we are heavy gamers who have logged in every single day since nov 2014 and are the longest standing players who built the foundation of the game everyone here still seems to enjoy playing..so I’m not sure what other advocation we are supposed to give anyone else but we expect answers on the recent technical issues causing ripple effect issues inside the realm
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    DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Posts: 21,368 ★★★★★
    Danp43 wrote: »
    Spending or not is not the point. It’s fairness of the contest.

    And that’s my point. The fairness of the contest is skewed.. there is no fairness. Only manipulation from alliances, and addicts that buy favor. That’s what it is, and nothing else. We don’t see anything from the top alliances when it comes to balance and fairness. Only when something effects them directly, call foul!! They don’t speak for the community, they speak when it pertains to them. No love from me. And I’m a vet that doesn’t spend. Almost done with LOL 100 and 7100 prestige. But have always advocated for the community, not just my alliance .

    The ”we” in our instance does pertain to our specific alliance war, we decided to vocalize this issue because it affected us along with dozens of other highly competitive alliances that may or may not feel so passionatly about war seasons... I am unsure why we are scrutinized for investing in the game or how we don’t advocate for the community; in fact this post was aimed at direct answers from @Kabam Miike @Ad0ra_ @Kabam Wolf @Kabam Vydious as to how they plan on dealing with recent outages in the game that have caused negative impacts on competitive modes and hurt alliances like us from fair chances at winning... also, and on a personal note, these proclaimed alliances who buy favor or only care about ourselves over the community: we are the ones who rallied together and fought the 12.0 release head on, signed petitions, sent emails, wrote reviews and put the serious bug in the ear of Kabam to make changes or we would walk- it happened again during the big boycott because they have to know we are serious- we are heavy gamers who have logged in every single day since nov 2014 and are the longest standing players who built the foundation of the game everyone here still seems to enjoy playing..so I’m not sure what other advocation we are supposed to give anyone else but we expect answers on the recent technical issues causing ripple effect issues inside the realm

    This "higher than thou" attitude is why you probably aren't getting a direct answer. Also the simple fact that you think you won and deserve the points because of your feelings when you didn't get nodes down. You expect them to give you something you can't prove would have happened. Probably another reason why they aren't answering. Also this is the forums. Your tenor, money spent, time spent in game mean nothing here. If the Mods want to answer you, they will. If they don't, move on. I have spent just as much time in the game as you but doesn't entitle me to preferential treatment.
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    DarthPhalDarthPhal Posts: 1,064 ★★★★
    I wonder how long it would take them to go through and calculate all the imaginary endings for every alliance that was in a war at the time.

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    LeNoirFaineantLeNoirFaineant Posts: 8,643 ★★★★★
    Spending or not is not the point. It’s fairness of the contest.

    And that’s my point. The fairness of the contest is skewed.. there is no fairness. Only manipulation from alliances, and addicts that buy favor. That’s what it is, and nothing else. We don’t see anything from the top alliances when it comes to balance and fairness. Only when something effects them directly, call foul!! They don’t speak for the community, they speak when it pertains to them. No love from me. And I’m a vet that doesn’t spend. Almost done with LOL 100 and 7100 prestige. But have always advocated for the community, not just my alliance .

    What? First of all everyone is more likely to comment on something that affects them directly. Second of all, lots of top guys comment about all sorts of things. But even if OP is a whale who only cares about things that affect him, that wouldn't invalidate his point. If the game is down 40 minutes the clock should pause for those 40 minutes. @Maximus_Spankerson sorry you got screwed man.
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    Danp43Danp43 Posts: 14
    Spending or not is not the point. It’s fairness of the contest.

    And that’s my point. The fairness of the contest is skewed.. there is no fairness. Only manipulation from alliances, and addicts that buy favor. That’s what it is, and nothing else. We don’t see anything from the top alliances when it comes to balance and fairness. Only when something effects them directly, call foul!! They don’t speak for the community, they speak when it pertains to them. No love from me. And I’m a vet that doesn’t spend. Almost done with LOL 100 and 7100 prestige. But have always advocated for the community, not just my alliance .

    What? First of all everyone is more likely to comment on something that affects them directly. Second of all, lots of top guys comment about all sorts of things. But even if OP is a whale who only cares about things that affect him, that wouldn't invalidate his point. If the game is down 40 minutes the clock should pause for those 40 minutes. @Maximus_Spankerson sorry you got screwed man.

    Appreciate the comment and fundamentally this was the only point we are trying to make..... all alliances in our same boat were not given a chance to complete a fight where yes no outcome was guaranteed but the point is we had time left to try and it was taken away from us. Something should be done for us and for any other alliance in the same boat.
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    SidDDragonSidDDragon Posts: 1,183 ★★★
    Can't believe that people are justifying the loss because "the other team finished first"...the war is of 24 hours and it's upto the alliance as to how they want to approach the fights in those 24 hours..this is like saying that this guy finished his test 30 mins before everyone so he should be given the top spot..
    If the game was down for some time,the aw and aq clocks should have been stopped at that time..any one of the people who are giving negative comments here would be crying foul had the same thing happened to them
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    Solrac_2Solrac_2 Posts: 497 ★★
    We lost a very recent war too because of this exact issue. Unfortunately, the current state of the game is seriously lacking-the plethora of bugs, heat issues, unexpected maintenance.
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    SCZSCZ Posts: 188 ★★
    This last war we decided to not explore or complete the map. We all then submitted tickets requesting that Kabam look at our history and award us full completion, season points and rewards. I’ll keep you posted how it turns out for us.
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    NiteAndDaeNiteAndDae Posts: 670 ★★★
    The problem is that almost everyone has been on the receiving end of this. If they fix this, I will have to raise holy hell, since they sure as heck didn't fix it when it happened to my alliance. I think they have drawn a line in the sand and set a precedent that outage is equal overall and thus not an advantage or disadvantage to anyone. Adapt accordingly.

    So yes, this has changed most ally's strategy to finish as quickly as possible and watch the other ally get screwed when the game goes down, as outages are now getting more and more frequent as time goes on.
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    Maximus_SpankersonMaximus_Spankerson Posts: 445 ★★
    we only ask that they pull the data on ALL wars that were impacted and adjust season score accordingly..
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    DTMelodicMetalDTMelodicMetal Posts: 2,785 ★★★★★
    The precedent for alliances being compensated in Alliance Wars has been set since last season. It's not fair but I can understand Kabam not intervening on these issues because of the potential for such acts of kindness to be exploited.

    Legion got screwed out of 1-2 wars last AW season against alliances that were penalized so heavily for cheating they disbanded. Legion was the only master tier alliance in AW Season 1 that did not pilot or break terms of service in any way and they received no compensation for alliances that Kabam knew cheated against them

    AW Seasons is about $, skill comes second. Summoner Advancement is the #1 spending alliance event in the game, there's a reason why top SA scores always go to alliances in master tier rankings.
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    AcanthusAcanthus Posts: 447 ★★★
    edited August 2018
    Legion was the only master tier alliance in AW Season 1 that did not pilot or break terms of service in any way and they received no compensation for alliances that Kabam knew cheated against them

    LMAO yeah, cool story bro. Half of the accounts in their alliance were built via fraud units, and most of them got temporary, and some even permanent bans for it. Not even gonna bother about the piloting part, complete bollocks
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    DTMelodicMetalDTMelodicMetal Posts: 2,785 ★★★★★
    Acanthus wrote: »

    LMAO yeah, cool story bro. Half of the accounts in their alliance were built via fraud units, and most of them got temporary, and some even permanent bans for it. Not even gonna bother about the piloting part, complete bollocks

    All master tier alliances but Legion lost war rating points after season 1. Idelest’s interview with an MCOC mercenary covered season 1 piloting, that source and others make the same claim.
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    RektorRektor Posts: 678 ★★★
    Acanthus wrote: »

    LMAO yeah, cool story bro. Half of the accounts in their alliance were built via fraud units, and most of them got temporary, and some even permanent bans for it. Not even gonna bother about the piloting part, complete bollocks

    All master tier alliances but Legion lost war rating points after season 1.

    False
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    newwavedavenewwavedave Posts: 9
    @Whitemummy_1 that totally sucks but I seriously doubt you’ll get a reply from @Kabam Miike or anyone from Kabam. More than likely they will delete this thread just like all the other ones they delete and never reply to. Best of luck in AW.

    Oh btw, in case @Kabam Wolf does read this and reply, thanks for not setting up 30 minute timers in AQ to make up for your servers going down. That was the LEAST u could do.
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    DTMelodicMetalDTMelodicMetal Posts: 2,785 ★★★★★
    Rektor wrote: »

    False

    @Rektor Which other season 1 master alliances weren't penalized?
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    DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Posts: 21,368 ★★★★★
    @Whitemummy_1 that totally sucks but I seriously doubt you’ll get a reply from @Kabam Miike or anyone from Kabam. More than likely they will delete this thread just like all the other ones they delete and never reply to. Best of luck in AW.

    Oh btw, in case @Kabam Wolf does read this and reply, thanks for not setting up 30 minute timers in AQ to make up for your servers going down. That was the LEAST u could do.

    @newwavedave why are you calling out a mod who hasn't logged in since Feb? Also, why are you blaming forum Mods for 30 min timers? There wasn't a need for them anyway.
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    Kabam MiikeKabam Miike Posts: 8,270
    Alright, I'm closing this thread down. This went from non-constructive, to straight up just abusive to each other.
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