Supposedly this game is based on rng. Yeah right.

Oh hey I needed 2 tech t4cc for a rank up, maxed out on 4 classes, I had 19 t4cc crystals, 18 of those are on that pic, 1 off camera was mystic, any guesses about which class I didn't get even a single time?

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IsThisLoss

thats tough but it its all luck based, one time i needed one tech t4cc and got it from one t4cc crystal

Archit_Tandon498

Where are the drop rates when you need them damn

Kabam Miike

That's just bad luck, and I'm sorry to see it! The drop rates on those Crystals is absolutely equal for every single class. It's not at all based on what you do or do not have in your inventory, nor would it be possible for us to read your mind to know which Champion you're looking to rank up.

I mean, if I could read minds, I would be using it for something so much cooler... I don't know what, but it would be something.

RehctansBew

Really, I find that hilarious. You can't tell me there isn't some backend engine running that sees the amount of class iso or cats you have. Just watched Seatins video some 300 crystals and didn't pull a full skill cat. The one he needed for rank up. RNG my rear!

NevvB

Hey at least now you can trade 3 of your cata for more non tech t4c!

IcsGrec

RehctansBew wrote: »

Really, I find that hilarious. You can't tell me there isn't some backend engine running that sees the amount of class iso or cats you have. Just watched Seatins video some 300 crystals and didn't pull a full skill cat. The one he needed for rank up. RNG my rear!

The amount of development needed to implement such a thing is stupid and useless.
If seatin didn’t get what ne needed does it mean everything is “made up” ?
Why would the game not “be interested” to give you the cats you need? It’s not like you can buy them from anywhere (except rare, special offers)

Demonzfyre

RehctansBew wrote: »

Really, I find that hilarious. You can't tell me there isn't some backend engine running that sees the amount of class iso or cats you have. Just watched Seatins video some 300 crystals and didn't pull a full skill cat. The one he needed for rank up. RNG my rear!

Pretty sure he just told you that exactly. Just because you didn't get what you want, doesn't mean it's rigged or there's a conspiracy against you.

DTMelodicMetal

RNG bad luck and RNG good luck are both still RNG

Blax4ever

This is what the game is, either play it or don’t play it rigged or not.

Myselfandi

The game gives you what you don't need . Same with champs. Hence why you get soo much trash. It's their way of slowing progress. When they say it's bad luck. I call bs

New_Noob168

RehctansBew wrote: »

Really, I find that hilarious. You can't tell me there isn't some backend engine running that sees the amount of class iso or cats you have. Just watched Seatins video some 300 crystals and didn't pull a full skill cat. The one he needed for rank up. RNG my rear!

I find it suspicious too.

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Colinwhitworth69

On the other hand, I had the craziest good luck today. First I play on two accounts, on different devices, and on both accounts I was very close to getting enough five star shards pull a champ. I got some birthday money recently so I took that offer today for 3000 5 star shards. I did it on both accounts, because it put me over 10,000 shards for each. I pulled a 5 star Hulk Ragnarok ON BOTH ACCOUNTS. Seriously. One of those was my first five star champ on the account, so I’m psyched.

Also, There were three characters I needed to play the gwenpool challenge 100 percent – Loki, the wasp, and Thor Ragnarok. I got all three today from the two star cinematic Crystal, and from the regular cinematic Crystals that I won playing gwenpool’s challenge this afternoon.

Sometimes the Kabam gods smile on you.

DarthPhal

RNG always seems least random when you don’t get what you need.

I opened 5 map 6 crystals this week and pulled two full class cats, one of each of the only classes that weren’t already full.

Demonzfyre

New_Noob168 wrote: »

RehctansBew wrote: »

Really, I find that hilarious. You can't tell me there isn't some backend engine running that sees the amount of class iso or cats you have. Just watched Seatins video some 300 crystals and didn't pull a full skill cat. The one he needed for rank up. RNG my rear!

I find it suspicious too.

Would you say the same if you got double of what you were hoping for? Would you say there was a glitch and you think it over compensated? Would you say it was just good luck when you got more than what you needed?
Of course not. Its only conspiracy when things dont go the way you want. When they go your way then its just plain awesome and nothing's wrong with the game.

BitterSteel

Demonzfyre wrote: »

New_Noob168 wrote: »

RehctansBew wrote: »

Really, I find that hilarious. You can't tell me there isn't some backend engine running that sees the amount of class iso or cats you have. Just watched Seatins video some 300 crystals and didn't pull a full skill cat. The one he needed for rank up. RNG my rear!

I find it suspicious too.

Would you say the same if you got double of what you were hoping for? Would you say there was a glitch and you think it over compensated? Would you say it was just good luck when you got more than what you needed?
Of course not. Its only conspiracy when things dont go the way you want. When they go your way then its just plain awesome and nothing's wrong with the game.

Exactly, when you get two blades in a row it’s “look it my luck!” But two iron patriots and kabam have rigged it against you.

Myselfandi

Demonzfyre wrote: »

New_Noob168 wrote: »

RehctansBew wrote: »

Really, I find that hilarious. You can't tell me there isn't some backend engine running that sees the amount of class iso or cats you have. Just watched Seatins video some 300 crystals and didn't pull a full skill cat. The one he needed for rank up. RNG my rear!

I find it suspicious too.

Would you say the same if you got double of what you were hoping for? Would you say there was a glitch and you think it over compensated? Would you say it was just good luck when you got more than what you needed?
Of course not. Its only conspiracy when things dont go the way you want. When they go your way then its just plain awesome and nothing's wrong with the game.

And how many times do you get what you want exactly? This "luck" you speak of only happens once in a blue moon. You could go months without pulling anything good and then finally you get something decent. How many people in the game are complaining about having an over flow of Class Cats for a champ they never get?. There must be what.... 3-4 champs of each class that are rank worthy? RNG? Yer ok.

Myselfandi

Also explain how I have 2 accounts that pull totally opposite champs. Only thing random about that is random itself...

DNA3000

New_Noob168 wrote: »

RehctansBew wrote: »

Really, I find that hilarious. You can't tell me there isn't some backend engine running that sees the amount of class iso or cats you have. Just watched Seatins video some 300 crystals and didn't pull a full skill cat. The one he needed for rank up. RNG my rear!

I find it suspicious too.

Lots of people do, in lots of games. In my experience, 99.999% of them are wrong. Most of the weird RNG that shows up in games is just that, weird randomness. And I say that as someone that has tested, and worked with developers to fix, broken RNG in games. Most of the time, the vast overwhelming majority of the time, its simply that human beings are extremely poor judges of what's statistically likely.

Take the case above, eighteen pulls and no tech. That sounds like it should be astronomically unlikely. It will actually happen one time in twenty seven. Across all the players opening crystals, literally hundreds if not thousands have probably seen the same thing. We just don't see posts from the ones that don't see that.

The problem is that not only are humans poor judges of statistics, they *think* they are good judges of statistics, so it is almost impossible to convince most people their intuition about what is happening is wrong. Even when I've seen the implementation and know with certainty a situation is completely random, all that proves is I'm part of the conspiracy (disclaimer: I haven't seen the implementation for this game in particular: I'm not claiming that).

DrBruceWayne

Unfortunately, it's horrible luck. RNG has like 3 ways it works in:

1) Goes unusually in your favour

2) Somewhere in the middle (How it should be)

3) Just doesn't go in your favour at all

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Werewrym

Kabam Miike wrote: »

That's just bad luck, and I'm sorry to see it! The drop rates on those Crystals is absolutely equal for every single class. It's not at all based on what you do or do not have in your inventory, nor would it be possible for us to read your mind to know which Champion you're looking to rank up.

I mean, if I could read minds, I would be using it for something so much cooler... I don't know what, but it would be something.

Let me get this straight... You don't think reading our minds would be cool??? I am sorry our minds are so simple @Kabam Miike... Lol sorry I couldn't resist

Kabam Miike

khehmist wrote: »

It would be nice to see Apple independently audit MCOC code to ensure that the accuracy of random outcome reporting requirements.

There are just so many fishy outcomes. And before people with no training in statistics start piping up in defense, it only takes a population of 30 to start having a reasonable expectations of evaluating odds reported odds vs. outcomes for things like T4CC crystals.

Unsupported claims from Kabam that they're doing what they're supposed to are completely empty of value in my opinion. There's just no earned goodwill there at all. After the utter lack of transparency around pre-Apple-mandate crystal outcomes, it seems clear to me that they manage every aspect they can to maximize revenue, above all considerations of player's expectations of "fairness".

And the results would be the same thing we have said time, and time again. It is completely and absolutely random.

This thread is now just turning into baseless conspiracy theories and non-constructive arguments. I'm going to shut it down now.

One more time, in case somebody is looking at this later... Your crystal results are random.