Yeah, it's odd that it would be a one-way synergy, especially with the OG Iron Man being there
Personally, I think one-way synergies are both conceptually weird (you have a relationship with something that doesn't have a relationship with you?) and game design weird (if you want to know what synergies a champion benefits from, you can't necessarily tell by just looking at their character info).
There are other weird quirks with synergies. For example with older synergies I never understood how mutual synergies have two different types of synergies. For example OG BP has a rival synergy with IF that increases crit damage, yet IF’s synergy with OG BP is friends which increases armor. Typically rival and friend is not synonymous so I wonder what the thought process was.
Yeah, it's odd that it would be a one-way synergy, especially with the OG Iron Man being there
Personally, I think one-way synergies are both conceptually weird (you have a relationship with something that doesn't have a relationship with you?) and game design weird (if you want to know what synergies a champion benefits from, you can't necessarily tell by just looking at their character info).
There are other weird quirks with synergies. For example with older synergies I never understood how mutual synergies have two different types of synergies. For example OG BP has a rival synergy with IF that increases crit damage, yet IF’s synergy with OG BP is friends which increases armor. Typically rival and friend is not synonymous so I wonder what the thought process was.
Meh, I think you can have a friendly rival. You don't have to be enemies to be competitive
Yeah, it's odd that it would be a one-way synergy, especially with the OG Iron Man being there
Personally, I think one-way synergies are both conceptually weird (you have a relationship with something that doesn't have a relationship with you?) and game design weird (if you want to know what synergies a champion benefits from, you can't necessarily tell by just looking at their character info).
There are other weird quirks with synergies. For example with older synergies I never understood how mutual synergies have two different types of synergies. For example OG BP has a rival synergy with IF that increases crit damage, yet IF’s synergy with OG BP is friends which increases armor. Typically rival and friend is not synonymous so I wonder what the thought process was.
Meh, I think you can have a friendly rival. You don't have to be enemies to be competitive
Even so, why not give both of them rival synergies? Or both friend synergies?
Yeah, it's odd that it would be a one-way synergy, especially with the OG Iron Man being there
Personally, I think one-way synergies are both conceptually weird (you have a relationship with something that doesn't have a relationship with you?) and game design weird (if you want to know what synergies a champion benefits from, you can't necessarily tell by just looking at their character info).
There are other weird quirks with synergies. For example with older synergies I never understood how mutual synergies have two different types of synergies. For example OG BP has a rival synergy with IF that increases crit damage, yet IF’s synergy with OG BP is friends which increases armor. Typically rival and friend is not synonymous so I wonder what the thought process was.
Meh, I think you can have a friendly rival. You don't have to be enemies to be competitive
Even so, why not give both of them rival synergies? Or both friend synergies?
Because on of them is more concerned with friendship while the other one is more concerned with being an arse.
Yeah, it's odd that it would be a one-way synergy, especially with the OG Iron Man being there
Personally, I think one-way synergies are both conceptually weird (you have a relationship with something that doesn't have a relationship with you?) and game design weird (if you want to know what synergies a champion benefits from, you can't necessarily tell by just looking at their character info).
There are other weird quirks with synergies. For example with older synergies I never understood how mutual synergies have two different types of synergies. For example OG BP has a rival synergy with IF that increases crit damage, yet IF’s synergy with OG BP is friends which increases armor. Typically rival and friend is not synonymous so I wonder what the thought process was.
Meh, I think you can have a friendly rival. You don't have to be enemies to be competitive
Even so, why not give both of them rival synergies? Or both friend synergies?
I don't think this is consistent in the game, but I can think of at least one comic book relationship that was often depicted that way in various incarnations: Professor X and Magneto. At certain periods (and this was played up in the movie incarnations) Xavier often saw Magneto as a misguided friend while Magneto saw Xavier as a friendly rival for the soul of mutant kind.
I think you're missing the point of what I'm saying.
If it's Captain America Infinity War, then he is clearly based on the movie. And the synergies whole mostly accurate, fail when you consider the MOVIE champ should have MOVIE related champs to synergize with. In the movie we have IMIW, so why synergy with OG Iron Man? In the movie, no Hawkeye, so why not insert Falcon or Bucky instead?
Consistency would be the name of the game.
Well in the movie they never saw each other so that’s why there is no synergie between Captain IW n Ironman IW
Was going to say the same thing. At no point do they speak or come into contact with each other in any way. So infinity war iron man and infinity war cap don’t actually have any kind of relationship. Speaking strictly for infinity war versions that is. But cap did know the old iron man, and iron man did know the old cap. I would assume that’s the reason for it.
I mean, if you want to get technical, Stark does call Cap to locate Vision to notify him about the threat of Thanos so...
Actually in infinity war tony dropped his phone then banner picked it up and tells Wong he’s got to make a call as tony didn’t want to
I would argue that while Red Skull is a charismatic leader, he's not a great leader in that he's willing to sacrifice his charges for his agenda, unlike Cap who refuses to trade lives. Cap makes his charges better whereas Red Skull looks to only better his organizational agenda.
Cap and Iron Man have exactly 00 interactions in Infinity War. In fact, had Tony used the phone and called Steve, the original Avengers (minus the Hulk) would have reassembled much earlier, and with backup, and possibly put up a better fight against the invading Black Order. No synergy between them in the movie, leaving it out of the game was the right choice. Cap’s synergy’s in the game are fantastic as is.
Umm, Tony didn't really have time to call as Maw and Cull were there within moments of him being told about Thanos' plan. Bruce made the call because Tony was out there fighting.
I would argue that while Red Skull is a charismatic leader, he's not a great leader in that he's willing to sacrifice his charges for his agenda, unlike Cap who refuses to trade lives. Cap makes his charges better whereas Red Skull looks to only better his organizational agenda.
And how did avoiding necessary sacrifices turn out for Cap during the Infinity War? Not well.
Actually, in retrospect Cap never actually ended up avoiding a "necessary" sacrifice. He pushed to try to save the Vision and it turned out that effort failed, but it also turned out that nothing he did in that regard would have changed things once Thanos acquired the time stone from Dr. Strange. In fact, Strange's comment on how many different futures allow them to win implies that nothing any of the Avengers did on Earth could have ultimately stopped Thanos the first time around.
I would argue that while Red Skull is a charismatic leader, he's not a great leader in that he's willing to sacrifice his charges for his agenda, unlike Cap who refuses to trade lives. Cap makes his charges better whereas Red Skull looks to only better his organizational agenda.
And how did avoiding necessary sacrifices turn out for Cap during the Infinity War? Not well.
Actually, in retrospect Cap never actually ended up avoiding a "necessary" sacrifice. He pushed to try to save the Vision and it turned out that effort failed, but it also turned out that nothing he did in that regard would have changed things once Thanos acquired the time stone from Dr. Strange. In fact, Strange's comment on how many different futures allow them to win implies that nothing any of the Avengers did on Earth could have ultimately stopped Thanos the first time around.
Let me pick out some of the shrapnel you fired...
1) A “necessary sacrifice” is relative to what you’re trying to accomplish. I meant it in regards to reducing casualties while decreasing the chances of Thanos acquiring the Mind Stone.
Is that what Cap was trying to accomplish? It seemed to me like he was explicitly saying he wasn't willing to explicitly sacrifice one to prevent the possible loss of the many, which means he wasn't trying to accomplish protecting the mind stone with reduced casualties. He doesn't want casualties, but he seemed willing to accept the enemy killing people as a part of war over killing one of his own.
I think you're missing the point of what I'm saying.
If it's Captain America Infinity War, then he is clearly based on the movie. And the synergies whole mostly accurate, fail when you consider the MOVIE champ should have MOVIE related champs to synergize with. In the movie we have IMIW, so why synergy with OG Iron Man? In the movie, no Hawkeye, so why not insert Falcon or Bucky instead?
Consistency would be the name of the game.
Well in the movie they never saw each other so that’s why there is no synergie between Captain IW n Ironman IW
well, og IM and hawkeye weren't in the movie either, but he has synergies with them. So your point is?????
So if you're going to make a champ with so many synergies, why skimp on obvious ones? If he is to have a synergy with Iron Man, why is it OG Iron Man and not, I dunno, the Iron Man that's actually in the movie that this champ is based on? Also why no synergy with Falcon or Winter Soldier but does have a synergy with Hawkeye who isn't in the film?
If you're going to introduce a film specific at least be consistent with the data.
Because they used his synergies to make older champs who were getting less use more active and desirable. Such as OG Iron Man, Doc Strange, Captain Marvel, etc.
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There are other weird quirks with synergies. For example with older synergies I never understood how mutual synergies have two different types of synergies. For example OG BP has a rival synergy with IF that increases crit damage, yet IF’s synergy with OG BP is friends which increases armor. Typically rival and friend is not synonymous so I wonder what the thought process was.
Meh, I think you can have a friendly rival. You don't have to be enemies to be competitive
Even so, why not give both of them rival synergies? Or both friend synergies?
Well played sir.
I don't think this is consistent in the game, but I can think of at least one comic book relationship that was often depicted that way in various incarnations: Professor X and Magneto. At certain periods (and this was played up in the movie incarnations) Xavier often saw Magneto as a misguided friend while Magneto saw Xavier as a friendly rival for the soul of mutant kind.
Actually in infinity war tony dropped his phone then banner picked it up and tells Wong he’s got to make a call as tony didn’t want to
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Actually, in retrospect Cap never actually ended up avoiding a "necessary" sacrifice. He pushed to try to save the Vision and it turned out that effort failed, but it also turned out that nothing he did in that regard would have changed things once Thanos acquired the time stone from Dr. Strange. In fact, Strange's comment on how many different futures allow them to win implies that nothing any of the Avengers did on Earth could have ultimately stopped Thanos the first time around.
Is that what Cap was trying to accomplish? It seemed to me like he was explicitly saying he wasn't willing to explicitly sacrifice one to prevent the possible loss of the many, which means he wasn't trying to accomplish protecting the mind stone with reduced casualties. He doesn't want casualties, but he seemed willing to accept the enemy killing people as a part of war over killing one of his own.
well, og IM and hawkeye weren't in the movie either, but he has synergies with them. So your point is?????
Then why no synergies with hulk?
It still doesnt make those champs desirable...