HELA CAN'T DIE! Finally something to counter the hydra adaptoid?

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  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,567 ★★★★★
    That's not the same at all. No matter how you try to justify it, exploiting the Hela Synergy is wrong.
  • NamelezNamelez Member Posts: 992 ★★★
    That's not the same at all. No matter how you try to justify it, exploiting the Hela Synergy is wrong.

    Okay but exploiting anything is wrong... Nobody got banned from Act 1 Revive spam or Domino bug that's my point in general
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,567 ★★★★★
    People used a Champ in Defense. They're not likely going to ban people for regular gameplay.
    As for the L1, that ruined it for people who need it.
    This is not the same situation by far, and I don't think you understand the ramifications of a Champ that can't die. That means you literally have access to any Rewards. You could do it on Auto, for that matter. That's a huge problem.
  • NamelezNamelez Member Posts: 992 ★★★
    People used a Champ in Defense. They're not likely going to ban people for regular gameplay.
    As for the L1, that ruined it for people who need it.
    This is not the same situation by far, and I don't think you understand the ramifications of a Champ that can't die. That means you literally have access to any Rewards. You could do it on Auto, for that matter. That's a huge problem.

    I do understand that but it's a bug both of them are but they allowed everyone to take advantage of the other one
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,567 ★★★★★
    Namelez wrote: »
    People used a Champ in Defense. They're not likely going to ban people for regular gameplay.
    As for the L1, that ruined it for people who need it.
    This is not the same situation by far, and I don't think you understand the ramifications of a Champ that can't die. That means you literally have access to any Rewards. You could do it on Auto, for that matter. That's a huge problem.

    I do understand that but it's a bug both of them are but they allowed everyone to take advantage of the other one

    What do you propose? Ban everyone who used Domino in War?
    As for the Pots, people lucked out on that one.
  • NamelezNamelez Member Posts: 992 ★★★
    Namelez wrote: »
    People used a Champ in Defense. They're not likely going to ban people for regular gameplay.
    As for the L1, that ruined it for people who need it.
    This is not the same situation by far, and I don't think you understand the ramifications of a Champ that can't die. That means you literally have access to any Rewards. You could do it on Auto, for that matter. That's a huge problem.

    I do understand that but it's a bug both of them are but they allowed everyone to take advantage of the other one

    What do you propose? Ban everyone who used Domino in War?
    As for the Pots, people lucked out on that one.

    Either that or don't ban the ones with Hela
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,567 ★★★★★
    Namelez wrote: »
    Namelez wrote: »
    People used a Champ in Defense. They're not likely going to ban people for regular gameplay.
    As for the L1, that ruined it for people who need it.
    This is not the same situation by far, and I don't think you understand the ramifications of a Champ that can't die. That means you literally have access to any Rewards. You could do it on Auto, for that matter. That's a huge problem.

    I do understand that but it's a bug both of them are but they allowed everyone to take advantage of the other one

    What do you propose? Ban everyone who used Domino in War?
    As for the Pots, people lucked out on that one.

    Either that or don't ban the ones with Hela

    I don't believe they will ban everyone who has Hela. They can see our activity. They can tell the difference between people playing the game and running into LOL for an exploit.
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  • NamelezNamelez Member Posts: 992 ★★★
    Namelez wrote: »
    Namelez wrote: »
    People used a Champ in Defense. They're not likely going to ban people for regular gameplay.
    As for the L1, that ruined it for people who need it.
    This is not the same situation by far, and I don't think you understand the ramifications of a Champ that can't die. That means you literally have access to any Rewards. You could do it on Auto, for that matter. That's a huge problem.

    I do understand that but it's a bug both of them are but they allowed everyone to take advantage of the other one

    What do you propose? Ban everyone who used Domino in War?
    As for the Pots, people lucked out on that one.

    Either that or don't ban the ones with Hela

    I don't believe they will ban everyone who has Hela. They can see our activity. They can tell the difference between people playing the game and running into LOL for an exploit.

    Of course but saying u can't use those champs in any quest is what's ridiculous.. let's say my only good champs ranked are them... Now what ?
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  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,567 ★★★★★
    Namelez wrote: »
    Namelez wrote: »
    Namelez wrote: »
    People used a Champ in Defense. They're not likely going to ban people for regular gameplay.
    As for the L1, that ruined it for people who need it.
    This is not the same situation by far, and I don't think you understand the ramifications of a Champ that can't die. That means you literally have access to any Rewards. You could do it on Auto, for that matter. That's a huge problem.

    I do understand that but it's a bug both of them are but they allowed everyone to take advantage of the other one

    What do you propose? Ban everyone who used Domino in War?
    As for the Pots, people lucked out on that one.

    Either that or don't ban the ones with Hela

    I don't believe they will ban everyone who has Hela. They can see our activity. They can tell the difference between people playing the game and running into LOL for an exploit.

    Of course but saying u can't use those champs in any quest is what's ridiculous.. let's say my only good champs ranked are them... Now what ?

    As I said, they have the data. I'm sure they can see what you usually use.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,567 ★★★★★
    Regardless, the more you debate how this is passable, the more you negate the exception. Lol.
  • NamelezNamelez Member Posts: 992 ★★★
    Regardless, the more you debate how this is passable, the more you negate the exception. Lol.

    I'm js how come they allow us to take advantage of on bug but not another that's my question
  • LeNoirFaineantLeNoirFaineant Member Posts: 8,672 ★★★★★
    Namelez wrote: »
    You keep mentioning Drax, but it wasn't a bug, technically. It was a side-effect of his frame rate, and that much was stated all along. Consequently, there was no direct fix to it. It was a frame rate change. He was never intended to bypass Evade. It just happened to work out that way. If another pressing issue causes them to fix the frame rate and as a result that is altered, that's how it is. People using Drax to bypass Evade is nowhere near as serious as a Champ that can't die, ever.

    Kabam openly admitted it was a bug
    Reference? I remember it being stated that it's the result of his frame rate.

    They said it was a frame rate thing way after the fact. I'm too lazy to look up the quote, but Miike originally said it was an unintended consequence of his double hit but it would be difficult to fix without altering game mechanics in ways that may not be worth it. Something to that effect. I don't really use Drax, but if reports that he now slides back when champs auto evade are correct, the frame rate thing is smoke and mirrors.
  • RafikiiRafikii Member Posts: 239
    Namelez wrote: »
    Namelez wrote: »
    Namelez wrote: »
    People used a Champ in Defense. They're not likely going to ban people for regular gameplay.
    As for the L1, that ruined it for people who need it.
    This is not the same situation by far, and I don't think you understand the ramifications of a Champ that can't die. That means you literally have access to any Rewards. You could do it on Auto, for that matter. That's a huge problem.

    I do understand that but it's a bug both of them are but they allowed everyone to take advantage of the other one

    What do you propose? Ban everyone who used Domino in War?
    As for the Pots, people lucked out on that one.

    Either that or don't ban the ones with Hela

    I don't believe they will ban everyone who has Hela. They can see our activity. They can tell the difference between people playing the game and running into LOL for an exploit.

    Of course but saying u can't use those champs in any quest is what's ridiculous.. let's say my only good champs ranked are them... Now what ?

    As I said, they have the data. I'm sure they can see what you usually use.

    but that brings up my point. id be pretty pissed to get banned just cuz i was trying out a 3* heimdall in heroic when i alrdy use hela regularly.
    hopefully, they look more in depth than just usage.

    ill be the first to admit i didnt do more than 2 of the assassin quests and noticed no bugs, yet i got the compensation for it.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,567 ★★★★★
    Namelez wrote: »
    You keep mentioning Drax, but it wasn't a bug, technically. It was a side-effect of his frame rate, and that much was stated all along. Consequently, there was no direct fix to it. It was a frame rate change. He was never intended to bypass Evade. It just happened to work out that way. If another pressing issue causes them to fix the frame rate and as a result that is altered, that's how it is. People using Drax to bypass Evade is nowhere near as serious as a Champ that can't die, ever.

    Kabam openly admitted it was a bug
    Reference? I remember it being stated that it's the result of his frame rate.

    They said it was a frame rate thing way after the fact. I'm too lazy to look up the quote, but Miike originally said it was an unintended consequence of his double hit but it would be difficult to fix without altering game mechanics in ways that may not be worth it. Something to that effect. I don't really use Drax, but if reports that he now slides back when champs auto evade are correct, the frame rate thing is smoke and mirrors.

    I know the reference. I was pointing out that it was never labelled a bug. It was the result of his frame rate. That was stated a long time ago, long before the frame rate was changed.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,567 ★★★★★
    Namelez wrote: »
    Regardless, the more you debate how this is passable, the more you negate the exception. Lol.

    I'm js how come they allow us to take advantage of on bug but not another that's my question

    Cause and effect, my friend. Cause and effect.
  • NamelezNamelez Member Posts: 992 ★★★
    Namelez wrote: »
    Regardless, the more you debate how this is passable, the more you negate the exception. Lol.

    I'm js how come they allow us to take advantage of on bug but not another that's my question

    Cause and effect, my friend. Cause and effect.

    Wdym cause and effect bro ? I'm confused a little
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,567 ★★★★★
    edited August 2018
    Namelez wrote: »
    Namelez wrote: »
    Regardless, the more you debate how this is passable, the more you negate the exception. Lol.

    I'm js how come they allow us to take advantage of on bug but not another that's my question

    Cause and effect, my friend. Cause and effect.

    Wdym cause and effect bro ? I'm confused a little

    Well, what I mean is the effects of something. Cause and effect. You have to weight the consequences of having an existing issue. Now, if a Champ has a frame rate that allows them to bypass Astral Evade, that doesn't have nearly the same effect as a Champ that can't die and can be used to exploit any content that is meant to be significantly challenging.
  • NamelezNamelez Member Posts: 992 ★★★
    Namelez wrote: »
    Namelez wrote: »
    Regardless, the more you debate how this is passable, the more you negate the exception. Lol.

    I'm js how come they allow us to take advantage of on bug but not another that's my question

    Cause and effect, my friend. Cause and effect.

    Wdym cause and effect bro ? I'm confused a little

    Well, what I mean is the effects of something. Cause and effect. You have to weight the consequences of having an existing issue. Now, if a Champ has a frame rate that allows them to bypass Astral Evade, that doesn't have nearly the same effect as a Champ that can't die and can be used to exploit any content that is meant to be significantly challenging.

    I see, I see
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  • Patchie93Patchie93 Member Posts: 1,898 ★★★★
    edited August 2018
    Differences

    AA was originally deemed working as intended. Until a year later it was decided a bug and fixed.

    Drax was a bug but mods said they liked it at the time and were gonna leave it till a later date. It was then fixed.

    Hela and heimdall was confirmed a bug and a fix was attempted and intentionally using a bug that allows you to not die ever is considered exploiting the game

    So enjoy your ban. Why not go beat LOL well your at it. cause it wont matter when they perma ban you or take all your gained rewards away
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,567 ★★★★★
    Namelez wrote: »
    Namelez wrote: »
    Namelez wrote: »
    Regardless, the more you debate how this is passable, the more you negate the exception. Lol.

    I'm js how come they allow us to take advantage of on bug but not another that's my question

    Cause and effect, my friend. Cause and effect.

    Wdym cause and effect bro ? I'm confused a little

    Well, what I mean is the effects of something. Cause and effect. You have to weight the consequences of having an existing issue. Now, if a Champ has a frame rate that allows them to bypass Astral Evade, that doesn't have nearly the same effect as a Champ that can't die and can be used to exploit any content that is meant to be significantly challenging.

    I see, I see

    There's also the fact that it didn't always work and it varied depending on the device. It's harder to pinpoint. I would imagine it was left because it didn't pose as significant as a problem, and it wasn't as easily fixed. Actually, it's an example of one of the things that people benefited from that was left.
  • NamelezNamelez Member Posts: 992 ★★★
    Namelez wrote: »
    Namelez wrote: »
    Namelez wrote: »
    Regardless, the more you debate how this is passable, the more you negate the exception. Lol.

    I'm js how come they allow us to take advantage of on bug but not another that's my question

    Cause and effect, my friend. Cause and effect.

    Wdym cause and effect bro ? I'm confused a little

    Well, what I mean is the effects of something. Cause and effect. You have to weight the consequences of having an existing issue. Now, if a Champ has a frame rate that allows them to bypass Astral Evade, that doesn't have nearly the same effect as a Champ that can't die and can be used to exploit any content that is meant to be significantly challenging.

    I see, I see

    There's also the fact that it didn't always work and it varied depending on the device. It's harder to pinpoint. I would imagine it was left because it didn't pose as significant as a problem, and it wasn't as easily fixed. Actually, it's an example of one of the things that people benefited from that was left.

    True u got a point there
  • ZzyzxGuyZzyzxGuy Member Posts: 1,292 ★★★
    Finally?

    Little late to the party, bud.
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  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,027 ★★★★★
    This is why it's an exploit-

    https://youtu.be/g96ysxjvMuc
  • CapWW2CapWW2 Member Posts: 2,901 ★★★★
    Demonzfyre wrote: »
    Namelez wrote: »
    Namelez wrote: »
    @Demonzfyre @GroundedWisdom yes a BUG just like AA's stun Drax's double
    medium and Domino's block break.... It's a bug remember... Did it count as an exploit ???

    I'm going to put this very plainly so you can understand.
    A Champ that cannot die is DEFINITELY exploitable.
    Literally can't die.
    How is that hard to see? By all means, if you'd like to take advantage of that with the argument that it was their fault, best of luck to you and your Account.

    Still it's a bug just like any other bug. A bug is a bug. Not my problem.

    Then go and use it. Please go and use it. Take them into LOL, complete a path. Enjoy the champs while you can. Then enjoy your ban.

    Can this guy @Demonzfyre invest his energy on a LOL path at least. The guy lives in the forums. Lmao. I will be 100 percent next week and this boy has better champs than me but he is scared. 😂
  • NotMannysmokerNotMannysmoker Member Posts: 28
    So why should I get banned when the mistake came in their end not mine, I remember back in the day when Texas hitman got his legend badge in the quake event while there was a bug that gave players an unnoticed boost in health and attack, they acknowledged that the mistake was theirs and he got his legend badge nway..
  • UlysseOdysseus75UlysseOdysseus75 Member Posts: 188
    Well I’m happy to see my 5* Héla unawakened.
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