OK ladies and gentlemen let's have another "Is it just me" Moment

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  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 19,693 Guardian
    Demonzfyre wrote: »
    Demonzfyre wrote: »
    Why did 3 people just flag me for no reason

    Because your post was full of incorrect information.

    Really the forums is here to express opinions what you are saying would be false info.

    You make a post asking for peoples opinion on a champ class for Thor because you are having a "is it just me" moment. It is just you. Literally just you. Thor is as cosmic as cosmic comes. His weapons are made from a dead star (cosmic). Asgard was an island literally floating in space and has a portal to travel through space with the bifrost gate (cosmic travel). He's a god. His powers were born with him not gained from a ritual or an magical item.

    Although I think Thor should be classed cosmic, I don't think it is as simple as you're portraying. For example, Mjolnir was created in a forge powered by a "dying star" but it is pretty clear it is an enchanted weapon as we'd normally describe such things. It isn't just a "cosmic" weapon (and "cosmic weapon" isn't something well-defined in MCOC in any case). At least insofar as magical weapons exist at all in the MCU (or for that matter in the comics), Mjolnir is a magical weapon. And as you say, Asgard was an island floating in space. It wasn't a normal planet operating under the normal laws of physics, it had more in common with the Discworld. The Asgardians are cosmic beings generally, but they are surrounded by and often using magic.

    The classes are game inventions, and they are not mutually exclusive or definitive as a result. Almost no comic book character is easily defined as only one of them. There's sometimes an overwhelming favorite, but a lot of the time which class a character gets defined to be is a judgment call which isn't rock-solid. Spiderman seems so obviously science, until you ask the average person to name the first thing that comes to mind when they think about Spiderman, and many if not most people mention swinging on webs. That's a purely technological invention (in most incarnations of the character). At that point you're in judgment-land.
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  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,074 ★★★★★
    DNA3000 wrote: »
    Demonzfyre wrote: »
    Demonzfyre wrote: »
    Why did 3 people just flag me for no reason

    Because your post was full of incorrect information.

    Really the forums is here to express opinions what you are saying would be false info.

    You make a post asking for peoples opinion on a champ class for Thor because you are having a "is it just me" moment. It is just you. Literally just you. Thor is as cosmic as cosmic comes. His weapons are made from a dead star (cosmic). Asgard was an island literally floating in space and has a portal to travel through space with the bifrost gate (cosmic travel). He's a god. His powers were born with him not gained from a ritual or an magical item.

    Although I think Thor should be classed cosmic, I don't think it is as simple as you're portraying. For example, Mjolnir was created in a forge powered by a "dying star" but it is pretty clear it is an enchanted weapon as we'd normally describe such things. It isn't just a "cosmic" weapon (and "cosmic weapon" isn't something well-defined in MCOC in any case). At least insofar as magical weapons exist at all in the MCU (or for that matter in the comics), Mjolnir is a magical weapon. And as you say, Asgard was an island floating in space. It wasn't a normal planet operating under the normal laws of physics, it had more in common with the Discworld. The Asgardians are cosmic beings generally, but they are surrounded by and often using magic.

    The classes are game inventions, and they are not mutually exclusive or definitive as a result. Almost no comic book character is easily defined as only one of them. There's sometimes an overwhelming favorite, but a lot of the time which class a character gets defined to be is a judgment call which isn't rock-solid. Spiderman seems so obviously science, until you ask the average person to name the first thing that comes to mind when they think about Spiderman, and many if not most people mention swinging on webs. That's a purely technological invention (in most incarnations of the character). At that point you're in judgment-land.

    I dont disagree. In all honesty, they are all at least part skill. Very few characters have origins (born/created) knowing how to fight. Theyve all been trained at some point on fighting techniques which implies skills. Black Widow could be skill/tech. Kabams designations dont always make much sense if we are going of comic origins.

    I still fully believe cosmic fits Thor best. To me, weapons made from stars are cosmic weapons. Same as Loki should be Mystic. His powers are more of an mystical origin since hes ice giant (also, ive never looked into his comic origin so going off the movies).

    You are right about spider-man. Depending on which iteration you are going off, he can go science or tech. The mutant champs are just about the only ones that overall make the most sense.

    An argument could be made that Hulk Rags could be skill since Gladiator Hulk is a warrior gladiator and is all about fighting.

    I would wonder if the FF4 ever made it to the game if they'd be cosmic or science. Same with Dr Doom.
  • SPIDERMANANTMANSPIDERMANANTMAN Member Posts: 175
    To @Kabam Zibiit do you think it is fair for people flagging me in this situation?
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 19,693 Guardian
    To @Kabam Zibiit do you think it is fair for people flagging me in this situation?

    Relax about the flags. First of all, no one else can really see those except you. You need manual forum-fu to see whether anyone else's posts have been flagged. Second of all, flags just notify the moderators to review your post. If there's nothing wrong with the post, nothing happens. Repeated improper flagging can also get someone warned, and then banned.

    I used to get random drive-by flags a little more often, but I periodically point out that I don't mind getting flagged: it just forces Kabam employees to read my posts. It is apparently no fun drive-by flagging a poster that thinks flagging is a good way to get Kabam's attention, so now I just get a lot of random lols. Which is, in fact, rather amusing on its own.
  • NojokejaymNojokejaym Member Posts: 4,126 ★★★★★
    Demonzfyre wrote: »
    Demonzfyre wrote: »
    Why did 3 people just flag me for no reason

    Because your post was full of incorrect information.

    Really the forums is here to express opinions what you are saying would be false info.

    You make a post asking for peoples opinion on a champ class for Thor because you are having a "is it just me" moment. It is just you. Literally just you. Thor is as cosmic as cosmic comes. His weapons are made from a dead star (cosmic). Asgard was an island literally floating in space and has a portal to travel through space with the bifrost gate (cosmic travel). He's a god. His powers were born with him not gained from a ritual or an magical item. Not sure what other evidence you need at all about Thor but again, your OP was pretty far off. People flagged you because this was not a constructive post by any means. You simply just said hes mystic. Didn't add anything, provide any info supporting this statement (aside from a misquoted movie), or anything else to further support your "moment". That being said about incorrect info holds true. Also, posts like these attract flaggers anyway.

    actually hes not a god. to humans he is but to other cosmic beings hes just another person
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  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 19,693 Guardian
    Nojokejaym wrote: »
    Demonzfyre wrote: »
    Demonzfyre wrote: »
    Why did 3 people just flag me for no reason

    Because your post was full of incorrect information.

    Really the forums is here to express opinions what you are saying would be false info.

    You make a post asking for peoples opinion on a champ class for Thor because you are having a "is it just me" moment. It is just you. Literally just you. Thor is as cosmic as cosmic comes. His weapons are made from a dead star (cosmic). Asgard was an island literally floating in space and has a portal to travel through space with the bifrost gate (cosmic travel). He's a god. His powers were born with him not gained from a ritual or an magical item. Not sure what other evidence you need at all about Thor but again, your OP was pretty far off. People flagged you because this was not a constructive post by any means. You simply just said hes mystic. Didn't add anything, provide any info supporting this statement (aside from a misquoted movie), or anything else to further support your "moment". That being said about incorrect info holds true. Also, posts like these attract flaggers anyway.

    actually hes not a god. to humans he is but to other cosmic beings hes just another person

    In the comics he's a god. In the MCU the Thor movie introduced the idea that he was just a strong cosmic alien, albeit with some magical undertones. But over time that idea has evolved into Thor being an actual god, at least insofar as the MCU has such things. Originally the MCU wasn't going to contain magic, so Thor couldn't be a god. But with the MCU embracing Dr. Strange and magic, and Guardians expanding on the idea of cosmic beings like the Celestials, Thor is moving towards defining what it means to be a god in the MCU.
  • DRTODRTO Member Posts: 1,673 ★★★★★
    Technically everything champ could be cosmic since everything is in space.
    Then again, technically every champ could be mutant cause everyone has genes that mutate
    But then again, technically every champ could be science cause everything is science
    However, technically every champ could be skill cause you need skill to fight and every champ in this game fights.
    Although, technically every champ could be mystic cause if you don't want to explain science, then everything to you occurs because of magic

    Not everyone can be tech though cause my boy dormamu doesn't rely on technology.
  • TanukiTalesTanukiTales Member Posts: 258 ★★
    edited September 2018
    For the record:

    - Comic Thor is half Elder God, as Odin specifically chose Gaea as his mother hoping that it would help the Asgardians escape the cycle of Death and Rebirth that Those Who Sit Above in Shadows put them in. The Elder Gods (and Gods in general) are always portrayed as Supernatural/Mystical entities in the comics.
    - Uru is a metal renowned specifically for its ability to soak up and hold magical enchantments, becoming more durable and powerful the more magic that's put into it.
    - Spider-man's powers are technically mystical in nature, since he's a Spider-Totem.

    I understand why Thor's Cosmic, but base Thor is obviously Comic Thor, not movie Thor, which is Thor Ragnarok. They probably went that route since Thor stopped doing the whole "need to be in contact with Mjolnir to stay Thor" years ago and became his own specific entity. Jane Foster Thor is only Thor because of the enchantments on Mjolnir and stops being so if she loses contact. Heimdall is Cosmic because he's based on the Super-advanced alien one from the movies, not the mystical god of the comics.

    Edit: You have to remember though, that most people who play this game got drawn in by the movies or the cartoons and have never (and probably will never) picked up a comic book in their life. So Kabam has to simplify things so people have a familiar and basic framework to latch onto. People have spent 7 years getting used to the idea of Thor as an alien, so that's probably the biggest reason he's Cosmic.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,581 ★★★★★
    That would be me. I'm assuming it's because I'm Flagged on a regular basis.
    The Flag Function is for alerting Moderation when something breaks the rules. For some reason, people also abuse it and use it for a Dislike Button, which is also against the rules, ironically. In any event, if you're following the rules, don't sweat it. People can be their own downfall.
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  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 19,693 Guardian
    DRTO wrote: »
    Not everyone can be tech though cause my boy dormamu doesn't rely on technology.

    Magic is just Technology when the manual is written in a language with sufficiently squiggly letters.
  • TanukiTalesTanukiTales Member Posts: 258 ★★
    DNA3000 wrote: »
    DRTO wrote: »
    Not everyone can be tech though cause my boy dormamu doesn't rely on technology.

    Magic is just Technology when the manual is written in a language with sufficiently squiggly letters.

    Pretty sure a few alien species would take offense to that.
  • SnizzbarSnizzbar Member Posts: 2,201 ★★★★★
    DNA3000 wrote: »
    DRTO wrote: »
    Not everyone can be tech though cause my boy dormamu doesn't rely on technology.

    Magic is just Technology when the manual is written in a language with sufficiently squiggly letters.

    Er, did you just contradict yourself?
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  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 19,693 Guardian
    DNA3000 wrote: »
    DRTO wrote: »
    Not everyone can be tech though cause my boy dormamu doesn't rely on technology.

    Magic is just Technology when the manual is written in a language with sufficiently squiggly letters.

    Pretty sure a few alien species would take offense to that.

    If they write with sufficiently squiggly letters, I won't find out about it.
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 19,693 Guardian
    Snizzbar wrote: »
    DNA3000 wrote: »
    DRTO wrote: »
    Not everyone can be tech though cause my boy dormamu doesn't rely on technology.

    Magic is just Technology when the manual is written in a language with sufficiently squiggly letters.

    Er, did you just contradict yourself?

    Hmm, I don't think so. I've often said that Magic and Science are different by definition, but just as Science and Technology are different, the rules of Magic and the practical use of Magic should be different also. Mjolnir is a magic weapon, but it isn't really literally Magic just like Iron Man's armor isn't literally Science. Iron Man's armor is technology, Mjolnir is applied magic - magical technology as it were.

    But with much squigglier letters.
  • SnizzbarSnizzbar Member Posts: 2,201 ★★★★★
    DNA3000 wrote: »
    Snizzbar wrote: »
    DNA3000 wrote: »
    DRTO wrote: »
    Not everyone can be tech though cause my boy dormamu doesn't rely on technology.

    Magic is just Technology when the manual is written in a language with sufficiently squiggly letters.

    Er, did you just contradict yourself?

    Hmm, I don't think so. I've often said that Magic and Science are different by definition, but just as Science and Technology are different, the rules of Magic and the practical use of Magic should be different also. Mjolnir is a magic weapon, but it isn't really literally Magic just like Iron Man's armor isn't literally Science. Iron Man's armor is technology, Mjolnir is applied magic - magical technology as it were.

    But with much squigglier letters.

    Also, this is an imaginary universe...
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 19,693 Guardian
    Snizzbar wrote: »
    DNA3000 wrote: »
    Snizzbar wrote: »
    DNA3000 wrote: »
    DRTO wrote: »
    Not everyone can be tech though cause my boy dormamu doesn't rely on technology.

    Magic is just Technology when the manual is written in a language with sufficiently squiggly letters.

    Er, did you just contradict yourself?

    Hmm, I don't think so. I've often said that Magic and Science are different by definition, but just as Science and Technology are different, the rules of Magic and the practical use of Magic should be different also. Mjolnir is a magic weapon, but it isn't really literally Magic just like Iron Man's armor isn't literally Science. Iron Man's armor is technology, Mjolnir is applied magic - magical technology as it were.

    But with much squigglier letters.

    Also, this is an imaginary universe...

    Well, any universe that takes VISA and American Express is sufficiently real for me.
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