15.0 Alliance Wars Update Discussion Thread

Summoners!

Our 15.0 Update is just about a week away, and with it, it's bringing a huge change to Alliance Wars! Check out everything you need to know about the Brand New Map, Scoring Changes, and new boosts in the Loyalty Store here: http://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/17902/15-0-alliance-wars-update/

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Kdog76

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Crammer2020 wrote: »

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Crammer2020 wrote: »

GREAT! 5 minis with the same 3 attackers on a much bigger map, means more revives needed! No defender kill points! BIG SPENDERS WIN EVERY WAR!!! FUNNN!!!!!

Bigger map doesn't mean that you'll be having more fights. There will be just as many Defenders as there were before.

ok, just as many defenders. But defender kills, in combo with 5 mini bosses means $$ wins every war. No more skill. Good job killing wars.

The amount of items that any user can use remains the same, so every Alliance Member can still only Revive/Heal 15 times. This hasn't changed. Additionally, 5 Minibosses doesn't mean that any one person will be taking on more than 1.

The goal with the removal of Defender kills wasn't to increase the use of Potions or Revives, but to relieve the feeling of defeat that comes with taking one shot at a defender, losing, and feeling that you're now helping the other Alliance, so you stop playing, even though you have 2 perfectly good attackers still there.

This assumes that the vast majority hit the item cap and from my experience that's just not true. Alliances that choose to spend rarely run out of items. You should feel defeat if you lose. That's part of losing. There shouldn't be any safe spaces in wars. Might as well be snowflake wars. We've won so many wars on deaths. Long live credit card wars at this point. Sorry but can't be seen as anything except a money grab.

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GbSarkar

Googleplexian wrote: »

Will there be a refund on class detection mastery core?

They will refund all class cores. Now have fun figuring out where to use those class cores

Omni

Good thing kabam doesnt have a vocal playing base to run ideas through before making drastic changes...

Draco2199

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Crammer2020 wrote: »

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Crammer2020 wrote: »

GREAT! 5 minis with the same 3 attackers on a much bigger map, means more revives needed! No defender kill points! BIG SPENDERS WIN EVERY WAR!!! FUNNN!!!!!

Bigger map doesn't mean that you'll be having more fights. There will be just as many Defenders as there were before.

ok, just as many defenders. But defender kills, in combo with 5 mini bosses means $$ wins every war. No more skill. Good job killing wars.

The amount of items that any user can use remains the same, so every Alliance Member can still only Revive/Heal 15 times. This hasn't changed. Additionally, 5 Minibosses doesn't mean that any one person will be taking on more than 1.

The goal with the removal of Defender kills wasn't to increase the use of Potions or Revives, but to relieve the feeling of defeat that comes with taking one shot at a defender, losing, and feeling that you're now helping the other Alliance, so you stop playing, even though you have 2 perfectly good attackers still there.

With the addition of 2 more minibosses items should increase to 20. Content will be harder for bosses so we should get more items to use.

Amonthir

Can you tell us if the extra mini-boss nodes are comparable in strength to the current ones?

Wolfe

Are we gonna be still facing 50 defenders in this larger map or are there more? That is the only thing I care about TBH.

madmax

@Kabam Miike what is being done to tackle the alliance that fix matching?

Gabbros

@Kabam Miike , assuming two strong alliances 100% the map, are you saying that the deciding factor for win will come down to defender rating and diversity? What factors will reward skill difference (ex. kill a defender without dying)?

hurricant

Please do the right thing Kabam and go back and discuss defender kills. This is just the worst change to AW. I could live with the others, but your community is overwhelmingly against this. You have taken all the skill out of AW

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MsDomino

Mana_Pot wrote: »

So one of the concerns is the 5 mini-bosses now. You were talking about diversity, so maybe it could be done to where each mini-boss node in a single battlegroup requires a unique champ? Like if a Magik is present on one mini-boss node, you can't place another Magik on a different mini-boss node? Does that seem like a good idea?

This is a solid suggestion

neb

Best offer yet, so no defender kill points means my alliance can buy crystal shards at every war! Thanks kabaam!!

TheSchwartz

Not certain if this was asked but when will we be able to preview the new map?

Drummer829

TheBaldAvenger wrote: »

Kabam Miike wrote: »

TheBaldAvenger wrote: »

Can you explain the logic begind temp reducing energy cost for Act 4 to go along with this? Can't work out why this is done and included in AW update post?

It's just something to do while Alliance Wars are down for an extended period. It won't be something for everybody, but if you haven't 100% Explored Act 4 yet, it's a good time!

What should the rest of us that finished Act 4 18 months ago do in this time?

Go spend more money trying to beat the collector. The only reason they pushed "the uncollected" title was to get people to fight the collector and spend units beating him

Blackhawkbill

Kabam Miike wrote: »

NemesisThantos wrote: »

I like how Kabam Miike is ignoring the main point of the posts he is quoting. Removing defender kills makes them more $$$, plain and simple. Just admit it

We have addressed that a few times. As we said, that was not the goal with the change. The goal with the removal of Defender kills wasn't to increase the use of Potions or Revives, but to relieve the feeling of defeat that comes with taking one shot at a defender, losing, and feeling that you're now helping the other Alliance, so you stop playing, even though you have 2 perfectly good attackers still there.

WE KNOW WHAT THE "GOAL" WAS!! You now need to realize REALITY Mike!! It's that gamble (w regards to possible points given for deaths) that helps some alliances win wars against a stronger opponent!! You take that gamble away and remove penalty for deaths that takes away a huge portion of skill. Anyone with a deep wallet can just buy there way thru a tile w not one ounce of repercussion.

And for the record....I have NEVER seen anyone in a close war sitting at a tile not try and attempt it and sit there w two full health champs lol

Run477

Darkstar4387 wrote: »

Exactly my alliance just lost a war for that very reason, we were up by like 15-20% they threw everything into killing my nightcrawler and it took them 20 something kills to finally take him out.

Now they removed the penalty for it and alliances with money will and can do the same for every war and that's what they intend regardless of what they keep saying it's been crystal clear that kabam is all about the money and this is just a blatant cash crab which I hope blows up in their face.

20 kills for a nightcrawler??? What tier are u in? I need to drop down!

Deadpool1119

One question I have is will the matching processing be fixed better?

_slippery_pete1

I agree. Seems like the team that spends the most wins. Not really a fan of that. It just seems like more incentive to buy more pots.

Xthea9

Kabam Miike wrote: »

NemesisThantos wrote: »

I like how Kabam Miike is ignoring the main point of the posts he is quoting. Removing defender kills makes them more $$$, plain and simple. Just admit it

We have addressed that a few times. As we said, that was not the goal with the change. The goal with the removal of Defender kills wasn't to increase the use of Potions or Revives, but to relieve the feeling of defeat that comes with taking one shot at a defender, losing, and feeling that you're now helping the other Alliance, so you stop playing, even though you have 2 perfectly good attackers still there.

It's way beyond the three attackers, when you see people using crazy amounts of resources, that would be the game changer, I am posting a image below that will give you an idea how opponent can exploit the resources in war. Just see the numbers how many kills we got just to kill 5 defenders. You can imagine what will happen when there is no points for kills.

GbSarkar

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Run477

TheBaldAvenger wrote: »

What should the rest of us that finished Act 4 18 months ago do in this time?

Do arenas. Get units. Buy potions for alliance wars. That's the way to win these things now.

Mcord11758

It would be great to get clarification of how many defenders will be on map. If map is 1.5 does that mean we place 7 to 8 defenders.

@Kabam Miike

Mwhitaker23

Hulksmasshh wrote: »

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Deadbyrd9 wrote: »

Any update on rewards @Kabam Miike ?

Not yet. As we mentioned in the post, we're looking at a revamp of the Rewards for Alliance Wars, but will be doing that later on.

Cmon that is the first thing that needed to be revamped. With all the talk of 5* shards being more generally available to everyone, AW rewards should be the first place to get this treatment especially with a whole new map!

I believe they was too busy trying to figure out how to squeeze 5 mini bosses on the map and forgot about the rewards... probably come the same time as the bases

Pry22

Ok @Kabam Miike can you explain the Unique champ system a little more. Do you only get those points if that champion is only placed once out of 150 champs that are placed?

Kabam Miike

Amonthir wrote: »

Can you tell us if the extra mini-boss nodes are comparable in strength to the current ones?

They're more or less equal to where they are now, but they now scale better across difficulties. For instance, Instead of all difficulties having full Debuff imunity, it's a slowly growing list of immunities, with only Expert and Challenger having full debuff immunity.

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Kabam Miike

Wolfe wrote: »

Are we gonna be still facing 50 defenders in this larger map or are there more? That is the only thing I care about TBH.

There will still only be 50 Defenders.

Run477

Draco2199 wrote: »

With the addition of 2 more minibosses items should increase to 20. Content will be harder for bosses so we should get more items to use.

Are you using 15 items per war now?

RockandrollinaD

Miike if you guys remove defender kill points at least reduce the amount of points per try given during attack for example if you are killed fighting one node on AW and trying again and again. It shouldn't be the same... there should be some kind of punish for those who keep reviving, it doesn't seems right and it's different killing your opponent on your first try than killing your opponent on your fith try. Also considering the points per boss, mini boss, normal nodes.
At least that way there would be a skill gap reflecting in those points.
If you guys let that way you're not helping anyone except for the big spenders.