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where is 5star Joe FIx?

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  • Good_HUBGood_HUB Member Posts: 23 ★
    Though Joe Fixit is not in the upcoming pool, I hope you could get Iron Patriot and triple dupe him as compensation
  • R4GER4GE Member Posts: 1,530 ★★★★
    Foxhero007 wrote: »
    No_More_Heroes wrote: »
    Haji_Saab wrote: »
    I used him for a few battles in RttL chapter 4 ... his 5* will be better than half of the champs in the current crystal hands down

    Cause half the champs in the current crystal are garbage tier.

    there no such thing as a garbage tier champs there decent and good tier
    and to a player that don't have or just got their 1st 5star champ a decent champ is better then no champ at all.

    LOL! I was struggling to take this thread serious, but than you said this and made this thread even more laughable.
  • R4GER4GE Member Posts: 1,530 ★★★★
    Foxhero007 wrote: »
    again more people saying that Joe Fixit along with Spider-Gwen, Karnak and Miss Marvel (Kamala Khan) sucks just shows that they don't know how to use them.


    Theres nothing to know. They possess nothing that requires thought to be used.
  • R4GER4GE Member Posts: 1,530 ★★★★
    Foxhero007 wrote: »
    Fives wrote: »
    (Heads up, this is long. WAY longer than I anticipated. Don't read this if you don't have a couple minutes to spend. Or if you already know why Joe Fixit sucks.)

    How about you show me any scenario where any one of those supposedly good champions do a better job at ANYTHING than a starlord or a gwenpool or an archangel or a magik or a vision or a hulk or an angela or a nightcrawler? Can Kamala Khan, a hero made up entirely of fury buffs, out damage anybody? No, she's got some of the worst damage output in the game, even awakened. She DOES trigger mystic dispersion a lot, which is a good thing... for your opponent.

    Karnak is actually good at taking on spidermen and those with evasion, although he doesn't have much use other than that. I've never heard of anybody particularly disliking him, so I don't know why he's on your list. Personally I think he should have some sort of crit damage rating that scales sort of like his crit chance, but he really can take a backseat to the plethora of other characters that need buffs, imho.

    And Joe Fixit... Geez, dude.
    Let's start with his bleeds. His special one does decent bleed damage, assuming the enemy isn't bleed immune, and assuming it inflicts lots of stacks. It's a bit of a gamble, which fits the character, but even when you do get lots of bleed, it never really feels like it does enough damage. Not enough payoff if you ask me.
    His special three does terrible damage, made up for by the massive bleed damage. Again, this is useless against bleed immune champions, but it is a nice bleed for those who can be bled. Not much I can complain about there.

    Then there's his special two, which doesn't do a crazy amount of damage, but it does stun for a couple seconds, so I guess there's that. Not too much going on there, I think that part of his kit is fine.

    Then you get to his passive. First off, you have to use a heavy to switch decks, which against harder AI means you need to parry or stun them with your special two. This means he can't effectively switch decks against mordo, black panther, rogue, groot, anyone stun immune, and especially in the labyrinth where they have limber. Now let's get into his different hands
    . First is dirty fighting, easily the worst. It feeds willpower, causing two debuffs, and if you regularly parry that's more like three. That's a ton of damage lost off of regen. Neither of the debuffs (fatigue and weakness) are useful, as most skilled players (which you clearly are, if you know how to use Fixit well) just don't get hit. (Side note, fatigue is the most useless ability in the game. Think about it, any hit you take is usually either blocked, which can't crit, or a special three, which can't crit. It almost never has any effect on the fight! It's such a stupid ability!) anyway, that's dirty fighting, which you'll usually want to switch off of whenever you roll it.

    Then there's regen, which is just... bad. Next to no regen, although I think it's a little higher after 12.0. Either way, it's not really enough to make any effect on a fight, but maybe on a five star it's a little better.
    On to rage, the second least useless buff, not that that's saying much. The attack buff you get from rage is little higher than most character's self activated furies, and comes at the cost of risking your life for it. Sure, it boosts your damage a little bit, but it's really not worth risking dying for.

    Last but certainly not least, cunning. Joe's best hand in my opinion. Boosts crit rate based on combo, (which rocket already does way better, but hey) which is easy to raise with his special one that has a lot of hits. Problem is, even once you've gotten to 100% crit rate, his base damage is so low that he's really only critting as hard as any good character does on regular hits. Sure, you can double down, get rage and cunning, and increase your damage to admittedly good numbers, but that's taking a big risk, requires a lot of setup, and only lasts as long as double down does. So his passive is practically useless, and as I just iterated, so is his signature, which is basically a breif extension of his passive.

    Last of all, his utility in general is just garbage. He's got no power control, his raw damage is laughable, he's got no ability accuracy manipulation, there are far better bleeders, he's **** on defense, as even on unblockable special nodes, you can block the second part of his special one.

    Worst of all, his main claim to fame is that he's a luck of the draw character, right? He a gambler, that's his thing. But even when you DO get lucky with Leeds and with rolling suits he's still subpar at best. He's just got no place in the game except farming arena points. Same with all the other characters you mentioned. Kamala Khan, for example. She's SUPPOSED to be a damage dealer, but she does a horrible job of that compared to a hulk or angela or dozens of other characters.

    TLDR; Joe Fixit is **** and I just poured my soul into explaining why and you're not even bothering to read it? For shame.

    Holy **** that was long. I'm sorry. Anyways, if you can't already tell I'm 100% on board with Joe Fixit being in 5* crystals.

    Just please God buff the hell out of him first.


    wow that was long
    i just don't see why everyone hold starlord, gwenpool, archangel, magik, vision, hulk, angela and nightcrawler on a high pedestal especially starlord some of them are good and other are decent.

    starlord is decent but he is better when he team up with the other guardians,
    gwenpool is only some what good with her stackable bleed
    archangel is decent with his poison
    magik is good because of limbo
    vision is good because of poison and bleed immune with heal block and power burn
    hulk is decent because he a beef cake
    angela can't say don't have her
    nightcrawler is good because of high evade


    i do have a 5star starlord and i do use him only why because he my highest tech and the 5stars have higher stats then the 4star but my starlord is my 7th powerful champ my 4star joe fixit is higher then him and way better.

    If this is your only thoughts on these amazing champs, then you obviously "don't know how to use them."
  • SkullmanicSkullmanic Member Posts: 8 ★
    Foxhero007 wrote: »
    again more people saying that Joe Fixit along with Spider-Gwen, Karnak and Miss Marvel (Kamala Khan) sucks just shows that they don't know how to use them.

    Karnak,spiderman glen are good.kamala khan is good just the other ms marvels are slightly better than her.joe sucks
  • NOOOOOOOOPEEEEENOOOOOOOOPEEEEE Member Posts: 2,803 ★★★★★
    5* Joe Fix it is with electro. Somewhere in the 5* waiting line....... I bet those new champs keep cutting in front of them. #WeWant5*JoeFixit
  • UnsaferBinkie7UnsaferBinkie7 Member Posts: 658 ★★
    Joe can do a lot of damage when he has cunning, increases your critical damage per hit. Ends the fight quicker. L1 needs a buff, the bleed doesn't pay off too well sometimes. His sig ability should change and work like this, when it rolls he'll get a passive buff, if the 2nd activates it should have a chance to turn permanent until your next roll (when you land another heavy attack). This would potentially make him do more damage since you could get lucky and activate cunning and rage for pretty much the whole fight. You'll have a bunch of damage done. Maybe just a little attack rating boost to help him out by kabam. But really joe fix it isn't bad, like the op said, learn how to use them. People laugh like he's wrong, there's ways to use the god tier champs right? So there would be a way to use the "garbage tier" champs.
  • adqqedfyvradqqedfyvr Member Posts: 463 ★
    My bet is he's on the six star list
  • SummonerB2SummonerB2 Member Posts: 556 ★
    Foxhero007 wrote: »
    No_More_Heroes wrote: »
    Haji_Saab wrote: »
    I used him for a few battles in RttL chapter 4 ... his 5* will be better than half of the champs in the current crystal hands down

    Cause half the champs in the current crystal are garbage tier.

    there no such thing as a garbage tier champs there decent and good tier
    and to a player that don't have or just got their 1st 5star champ a decent champ is better then no champ at all.

    Yes there is. You wouldn't call hulkbuster decent.
  • SummonerB2SummonerB2 Member Posts: 556 ★
    Foxhero007 wrote: »
    Fives wrote: »
    (Heads up, this is long. WAY longer than I anticipated. Don't read this if you don't have a couple minutes to spend. Or if you already know why Joe Fixit sucks.)

    How about you show me any scenario where any one of those supposedly good champions do a better job at ANYTHING than a starlord or a gwenpool or an archangel or a magik or a vision or a hulk or an angela or a nightcrawler? Can Kamala Khan, a hero made up entirely of fury buffs, out damage anybody? No, she's got some of the worst damage output in the game, even awakened. She DOES trigger mystic dispersion a lot, which is a good thing... for your opponent.

    Karnak is actually good at taking on spidermen and those with evasion, although he doesn't have much use other than that. I've never heard of anybody particularly disliking him, so I don't know why he's on your list. Personally I think he should have some sort of crit damage rating that scales sort of like his crit chance, but he really can take a backseat to the plethora of other characters that need buffs, imho.

    And Joe Fixit... Geez, dude.
    Let's start with his bleeds. His special one does decent bleed damage, assuming the enemy isn't bleed immune, and assuming it inflicts lots of stacks. It's a bit of a gamble, which fits the character, but even when you do get lots of bleed, it never really feels like it does enough damage. Not enough payoff if you ask me.
    His special three does terrible damage, made up for by the massive bleed damage. Again, this is useless against bleed immune champions, but it is a nice bleed for those who can be bled. Not much I can complain about there.

    Then there's his special two, which doesn't do a crazy amount of damage, but it does stun for a couple seconds, so I guess there's that. Not too much going on there, I think that part of his kit is fine.

    Then you get to his passive. First off, you have to use a heavy to switch decks, which against harder AI means you need to parry or stun them with your special two. This means he can't effectively switch decks against mordo, black panther, rogue, groot, anyone stun immune, and especially in the labyrinth where they have limber. Now let's get into his different hands
    . First is dirty fighting, easily the worst. It feeds willpower, causing two debuffs, and if you regularly parry that's more like three. That's a ton of damage lost off of regen. Neither of the debuffs (fatigue and weakness) are useful, as most skilled players (which you clearly are, if you know how to use Fixit well) just don't get hit. (Side note, fatigue is the most useless ability in the game. Think about it, any hit you take is usually either blocked, which can't crit, or a special three, which can't crit. It almost never has any effect on the fight! It's such a stupid ability!) anyway, that's dirty fighting, which you'll usually want to switch off of whenever you roll it.

    Then there's regen, which is just... bad. Next to no regen, although I think it's a little higher after 12.0. Either way, it's not really enough to make any effect on a fight, but maybe on a five star it's a little better.
    On to rage, the second least useless buff, not that that's saying much. The attack buff you get from rage is little higher than most character's self activated furies, and comes at the cost of risking your life for it. Sure, it boosts your damage a little bit, but it's really not worth risking dying for.

    Last but certainly not least, cunning. Joe's best hand in my opinion. Boosts crit rate based on combo, (which rocket already does way better, but hey) which is easy to raise with his special one that has a lot of hits. Problem is, even once you've gotten to 100% crit rate, his base damage is so low that he's really only critting as hard as any good character does on regular hits. Sure, you can double down, get rage and cunning, and increase your damage to admittedly good numbers, but that's taking a big risk, requires a lot of setup, and only lasts as long as double down does. So his passive is practically useless, and as I just iterated, so is his signature, which is basically a breif extension of his passive.

    Last of all, his utility in general is just garbage. He's got no power control, his raw damage is laughable, he's got no ability accuracy manipulation, there are far better bleeders, he's **** on defense, as even on unblockable special nodes, you can block the second part of his special one.

    Worst of all, his main claim to fame is that he's a luck of the draw character, right? He a gambler, that's his thing. But even when you DO get lucky with Leeds and with rolling suits he's still subpar at best. He's just got no place in the game except farming arena points. Same with all the other characters you mentioned. Kamala Khan, for example. She's SUPPOSED to be a damage dealer, but she does a horrible job of that compared to a hulk or angela or dozens of other characters.

    TLDR; Joe Fixit is **** and I just poured my soul into explaining why and you're not even bothering to read it? For shame.

    Holy **** that was long. I'm sorry. Anyways, if you can't already tell I'm 100% on board with Joe Fixit being in 5* crystals.

    Just please God buff the hell out of him first.


    wow that was long
    i just don't see why everyone hold starlord, gwenpool, archangel, magik, vision, hulk, angela and nightcrawler on a high pedestal especially starlord some of them are good and other are decent.

    starlord is decent but he is better when he team up with the other guardians,
    gwenpool is only some what good with her stackable bleed
    archangel is decent with his poison
    magik is good because of limbo
    vision is good because of poison and bleed immune with heal block and power burn
    hulk is decent because he a beef cake
    angela can't say don't have her
    nightcrawler is good because of high evade


    i do have a 5star starlord and i do use him only why because he my highest tech and the 5stars have higher stats then the 4star but my starlord is my 7th powerful champ my 4star joe fixit is higher then him and way better.

    Not true starlord is great without guardians for lol.
    Majik is also great for power control.
    Hulk can chain stun and damage goes off the chart with hulk smash.
  • Il_JooOIl_JooO Member Posts: 477 ★★
    stop it! I want to unsubscribe, really!!! PLEASE
  • Il_JooOIl_JooO Member Posts: 477 ★★
    @Kabam Miike please close this thread
  • FivesFives Member Posts: 118 ★★
    Dear lord.
  • Il_JooOIl_JooO Member Posts: 477 ★★
    Foxhero007 wrote: »
    if this thread is closed i will make another.

    one in which I won't comment because I don't want these notifications anymore xD
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,520 ★★★★★
    To be honest, the OP is entitled to their feelings on Champs. It's entirely preference. Before someone makes the argument that he is no good, whether popular opinion or not, it's still opinion. The "Top Tier" is labeled so because many people prefer them. That's all relative to what they prefer to use them for. Some Champs are popularly used at the Top Tier. That's still preference. One could prefer Embiggen (Kamala), and that would be preference. If the OP likes Fixit, they have that right. There is such a strong feeling about who is "Top Tier" and who is "Garbage Tier" that we sometimes forget it's just about who we prefer to use. I won't get into who is good or not. Just wanted to remind people that we don't have to jump on someone for who they like.
  • HENRIQUE_FORTEHENRIQUE_FORTE Member Posts: 348 ★★
    I wish we could trade champions, so I could trade my duped 4* Joe Fixit for OP's Archangel, Magik, Dr. Voodoo, or... or... any other champion, actually.
  • SummonerB2SummonerB2 Member Posts: 556 ★
    Foxhero007 wrote: »
    if this thread is closed i will make another.

    That's against terms of service I am sure
  • LocoMotivesLocoMotives Member Posts: 1,200 ★★★
    Fixit is one of the most important villains in all of Marvel (CoC)! He should definitely show up everywhere, just like he does in every monthly quest and chapter of story mode. He's pivotal and vital and deserves all of our love!

    I bet Fixit invented Taco Tuesday
  • Mr_PlatypusMr_Platypus Member Posts: 2,779 ★★★★★
    edited September 2017
    Also your incompetence shined through a lot with how you talked about the best champs in the game, let me help you out as you clearly don't know what you are on about.

    Star lord - when duped is the very best character for LoL, no arguments about it, best synergy teams are mutant crit team and the pure attack teams.
    Gwenpool - that bleed though, on top of the ability to pretty much power lock most of her opponents and the incredibly powerful armour break on her L3 which puts her damage up crazy high, also can stun occasionally.
    AA - it's not about just the poison, it's about how his bleed and poison combine together to make neurotoxin charges which do a huge amount of damage whilst heal blocking opponents and reducing ability accuracy, can also stun stun immunes.
    Magik - brutal on defence with limbo and MD, excellent on offence with the constant powerlock.
    Vision - excellent power control, heal block is a little bonus, also dual immunities.
    Hulk - crazy damage with the hulk smash fury buff
    Angela - another power house with a lot of damage and the ability to heal from suicide masteries.
    Nightcrawler - just an evade happy A** but can also deal some good damage and is capable of evading collector special attacks making him a very viable option there.

    Now please, give me a situation in which your precious joe fixit is able to do anything better than any of those.
    Because he can't out damage SL, nothing can in a long fight.
    GP will put more, stronger bleeds on opponent than fixit ever could, plus her L3 doesn't lose all usefulness against bleed immune.
    AA neurotoxin puts all DoT effects to shame so no chance there.
    He can't power control so can't beat magik or vision that way.
    He also can't out damage Angela if somebody 'knows how to use her', same for hulk though he's far simpler to use.
    And he can't evade as well or deal as much damage as NC, and when I say evade as well I mean he can't be used to manually evade collector specials.
  • SharkJawsSharkJaws Member Posts: 78 ★
    NormanBJJ wrote: »
    Most people would agree that Joe Fixit is a bad champ...

    naa. hes not. hes cool.. just a lot of us is choosy
  • No_More_HeroesNo_More_Heroes Member Posts: 471 ★★
    Foxhero007 wrote: »
    #BewareThe5starFixit

    #TooBadHeIsYourTopChampCauseHeIsGarbage
  • SummonerB2SummonerB2 Member Posts: 556 ★
    Mr_Platypus wrote: »
    Also your incompetence shined through a lot with how you talked about the best champs in the game, let me help you out as you clearly don't know what you are on about.

    Star lord - when duped is the very best character for LoL, no arguments about it, best synergy teams are mutant crit team and the pure attack teams.
    Gwenpool - that bleed though, on top of the ability to pretty much power lock most of her opponents and the incredibly powerful armour break on her L3 which puts her damage up crazy high, also can stun occasionally.
    AA - it's not about just the poison, it's about how his bleed and poison combine together to make neurotoxin charges which do a huge amount of damage whilst heal blocking opponents and reducing ability accuracy, can also stun stun immunes.
    Magik - brutal on defence with limbo and MD, excellent on offence with the constant powerlock.
    Vision - excellent power control, heal block is a little bonus, also dual immunities.
    Hulk - crazy damage with the hulk smash fury buff
    Angela - another power house with a lot of damage and the ability to heal from suicide masteries.
    Nightcrawler - just an evade happy A** but can also deal some good damage and is capable of evading collector special attacks making him a very viable option there.

    Now please, give me a situation in which your precious joe fixit is able to do anything better than any of those.
    Because he can't out damage SL, nothing can in a long fight.
    GP will put more, stronger bleeds on opponent than fixit ever could, plus her L3 doesn't lose all usefulness against bleed immune.
    AA neurotoxin puts all DoT effects to shame so no chance there.
    He can't power control so can't beat magik or vision that way.
    He also can't out damage Angela if somebody 'knows how to use her', same for hulk though he's far simpler to use.
    And he can't evade as well or deal as much damage as NC, and when I say evade as well I mean he can't be used to manually evade collector specials.

    Don't forget hulk chain stun
  • StavelotXoteStavelotXote Member Posts: 231 ★
    Fives wrote: »
    (Heads up, this is long. WAY longer than I anticipated. Don't read this if you don't have a couple minutes to spend. Or if you already know why Joe Fixit sucks.)

    How about you show me any scenario where any one of those supposedly good champions do a better job at ANYTHING than a starlord or a gwenpool or an archangel or a magik or a vision or a hulk or an angela or a nightcrawler? Can Kamala Khan, a hero made up entirely of fury buffs, out damage anybody? No, she's got some of the worst damage output in the game, even awakened. She DOES trigger mystic dispersion a lot, which is a good thing... for your opponent.

    Karnak is actually good at taking on spidermen and those with evasion, although he doesn't have much use other than that. I've never heard of anybody particularly disliking him, so I don't know why he's on your list. Personally I think he should have some sort of crit damage rating that scales sort of like his crit chance, but he really can take a backseat to the plethora of other characters that need buffs, imho.

    And Joe Fixit... Geez, dude.
    Let's start with his bleeds. His special one does decent bleed damage, assuming the enemy isn't bleed immune, and assuming it inflicts lots of stacks. It's a bit of a gamble, which fits the character, but even when you do get lots of bleed, it never really feels like it does enough damage. Not enough payoff if you ask me.
    His special three does terrible damage, made up for by the massive bleed damage. Again, this is useless against bleed immune champions, but it is a nice bleed for those who can be bled. Not much I can complain about there.

    Then there's his special two, which doesn't do a crazy amount of damage, but it does stun for a couple seconds, so I guess there's that. Not too much going on there, I think that part of his kit is fine.

    Then you get to his passive. First off, you have to use a heavy to switch decks, which against harder AI means you need to parry or stun them with your special two. This means he can't effectively switch decks against mordo, black panther, rogue, groot, anyone stun immune, and especially in the labyrinth where they have limber. Now let's get into his different hands
    . First is dirty fighting, easily the worst. It feeds willpower, causing two debuffs, and if you regularly parry that's more like three. That's a ton of damage lost off of regen. Neither of the debuffs (fatigue and weakness) are useful, as most skilled players (which you clearly are, if you know how to use Fixit well) just don't get hit. (Side note, fatigue is the most useless ability in the game. Think about it, any hit you take is usually either blocked, which can't crit, or a special three, which can't crit. It almost never has any effect on the fight! It's such a stupid ability!) anyway, that's dirty fighting, which you'll usually want to switch off of whenever you roll it.

    Then there's regen, which is just... bad. Next to no regen, although I think it's a little higher after 12.0. Either way, it's not really enough to make any effect on a fight, but maybe on a five star it's a little better.
    On to rage, the second least useless buff, not that that's saying much. The attack buff you get from rage is little higher than most character's self activated furies, and comes at the cost of risking your life for it. Sure, it boosts your damage a little bit, but it's really not worth risking dying for.

    Last but certainly not least, cunning. Joe's best hand in my opinion. Boosts crit rate based on combo, (which rocket already does way better, but hey) which is easy to raise with his special one that has a lot of hits. Problem is, even once you've gotten to 100% crit rate, his base damage is so low that he's really only critting as hard as any good character does on regular hits. Sure, you can double down, get rage and cunning, and increase your damage to admittedly good numbers, but that's taking a big risk, requires a lot of setup, and only lasts as long as double down does. So his passive is practically useless, and as I just iterated, so is his signature, which is basically a breif extension of his passive.

    Last of all, his utility in general is just garbage. He's got no power control, his raw damage is laughable, he's got no ability accuracy manipulation, there are far better bleeders, he's **** on defense, as even on unblockable special nodes, you can block the second part of his special one.

    Worst of all, his main claim to fame is that he's a luck of the draw character, right? He a gambler, that's his thing. But even when you DO get lucky with Leeds and with rolling suits he's still subpar at best. He's just got no place in the game except farming arena points. Same with all the other characters you mentioned. Kamala Khan, for example. She's SUPPOSED to be a damage dealer, but she does a horrible job of that compared to a hulk or angela or dozens of other characters.

    TLDR; Joe Fixit is **** and I just poured my soul into explaining why and you're not even bothering to read it? For shame.

    Holy **** that was long. I'm sorry. Anyways, if you can't already tell I'm 100% on board with Joe Fixit being in 5* crystals.







    Just please God buff the hell out of him first.

    I agree on some of this, but I think JF is still decent and situationally really good. He definitely requires an unconventional mastery setup to work properly.

    Still want 5* JF
  • SuskanutSuskanut Member Posts: 113 ★
    Well we already have 5 star Spider Gwen and Luke Cage so why not???
  • StavelotXoteStavelotXote Member Posts: 231 ★
    Luke Cage has no value whatsoever so I guess I see your point lol
  • KingCrooksKingCrooks Member Posts: 176 ★
    Die
  • LocoMotivesLocoMotives Member Posts: 1,200 ★★★
    You know there's a list out of all the 5* getting added, right? Joe isn't on it at all. It was funny at first, now it's a little sad.
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