Show Up Difficulty Feedback [Title Edited for Clarity]

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  • Tiger360Tiger360 Member Posts: 1,696 ★★★★
    Jaded said:

    You treat it like a popularity contest...others would just apologize and move on. Regardless if they are right or wrong, yet here you are trying to “defend” your point of view. When no one cares to hear it 😂😂
    exactly
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  • SpideyFunkoSpideyFunko Member Posts: 21,969 ★★★★★
    Faseeh said:

    PLS PLS PLS tell me ur joking!!!Im abt to be cav and i dont want to do that kind of fight ever

    He’s being serious, can’t you tell?


    yes, of course he’s joking
  • Rodomontade_BoiRodomontade_Boi Member Posts: 1,196 ★★★★

    Someone at the kabam offices: write that down! write that down!
    Already done mate. :)
  • LormifLormif Member Posts: 7,369 ★★★★★
    Faseeh said:

    You might think this is fair @Lormif but wait till cmm comes. I bet she will hv way more bs nodes. Maybe then you will change your mind. She will definitely hv some kind of degen if she takes energy dmg


    Even if I cannot do the content myself that does not make the content unfair. I do not treat content in a game based on fair dependent on if I am personally able to achieve the prize, because I dont think every prize should be easily attainable by all. And that is probably the largest difference between me and the masses here on the forums complaining about this. My own personal biases do not dictate what I think is fair.
  • Rodomontade_BoiRodomontade_Boi Member Posts: 1,196 ★★★★

    the showdown boss was not meant to not die. The had factors in place if no one killed him, but many people have solo and beat the showdown version
    Yeah my bad on that one. I'll conveniently blame that one on lack of sleep
  • Rodomontade_BoiRodomontade_Boi Member Posts: 1,196 ★★★★

    He’s being serious, can’t you tell?


    yes, of course he’s joking
    I'd not assume that tbh.. ;)
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  • Goken2345Goken2345 Member Posts: 621 ★★

    Hey all,

    This is correct. This is a participation event for that want to be a part of the Summoner Showdown, but don't feel comfortable competing in the Showdown qualifiers. It's a taste of what our Competitors are facing and is not meant to be easy.

    It is still meant to be a challenge and a test of skill.

    With those rewards? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

    I mean come on guys, this isn’t as much skill based as it is roster based. And with act 6 restricting four stars why would I bother with ranking up any new 4 stars I get? Why would I waste the gold (which is already sparse) for this one challenge and not be able to use them or have them be feasible in any endgame content like Act 6 exploration or variant completion or exploration or even the upper difficulties of event quests?
  • OnmixOnmix Member Posts: 508 ★★★

    coldsnap would have been fine, if they allowed us temporary dev build for this. Its just not worth it to rank up 4*s. Either that, or allow 5*s. I have a 5* R3 medusa. Equivalent to a 5/50. Would love to use her.

    This I can partially agree with.
    I believe last year they gave you an account with all 4* maxed or something like that?
    If they gave us that chance that would be awesome.

    And I say partially because you don’t NEED a R5. It is doable with R4.
  • Mirage_TurtleMirage_Turtle Member Posts: 1,868 ★★★★
    Maybe someone has said this already, but it's a lot bickering to wade through just to find out, so I'll risk a redundant post.

    My biggest issue with the Show Up difficulty is the choice to limit this to 4* champs. This would be vastly more enjoyable if we were able to use exclusively 3* champs. Scale the health/attack down so the challenge still feels the same relative to the fight's current state, but 3* champs are far more accessible than 4* champs and don't require nearly as many 2020-relevant resources to rank up.

    As-is, I have finished all content in the game but only have 10 or so 5/50 4* champs...only 2 of which are viable for this Silver Surfer matchup. Conversely, I have 150+ 3* champs at 4/40.

    The challenge is restrictive, requiring a champ who can either deal with Cold Snap or one who can inflict armor break easily. If it's that restrictive, giving summoners a wider pool to draw from would make the challenge much more accessible, which I thought was the point of "Show Up" difficulty.

    I equate the Show Up difficulty to the Qualifier round at the live events at NYCC. In these events, players have access to every champ at the same rank, rarity, and sig level and the only goal is to defeat the enemy. Once you finish the qualifier, then you get to go to the next stage (in this analogy, the Show Down difficulty) where in order to be competitive, there is likely a single champ you'll need to use in order to be victorious.

    This Show Up difficulty just feels far too restrictive. I got it done. I'll keep trying for the solo with my more unconventional options. I just feel for those who were looking forward to this event and are disappointed due to the restrictive nature of the event, so I wanted to share my feedback.
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  • LormifLormif Member Posts: 7,369 ★★★★★

    Maybe someone has said this already, but it's a lot bickering to wade through just to find out, so I'll risk a redundant post.

    My biggest issue with the Show Up difficulty is the choice to limit this to 4* champs. This would be vastly more enjoyable if we were able to use exclusively 3* champs. Scale the health/attack down so the challenge still feels the same relative to the fight's current state, but 3* champs are far more accessible than 4* champs and don't require nearly as many 2020-relevant resources to rank up.

    As-is, I have finished all content in the game but only have 10 or so 5/50 4* champs...only 2 of which are viable for this Silver Surfer matchup. Conversely, I have 150+ 3* champs at 4/40.

    The challenge is restrictive, requiring a champ who can either deal with Cold Snap or one who can inflict armor break easily. If it's that restrictive, giving summoners a wider pool to draw from would make the challenge much more accessible, which I thought was the point of "Show Up" difficulty.

    I equate the Show Up difficulty to the Qualifier round at the live events at NYCC. In these events, players have access to every champ at the same rank, rarity, and sig level and the only goal is to defeat the enemy. Once you finish the qualifier, then you get to go to the next stage (in this analogy, the Show Down difficulty) where in order to be competitive, there is likely a single champ you'll need to use in order to be victorious.

    This Show Up difficulty just feels far too restrictive. I got it done. I'll keep trying for the solo with my more unconventional options. I just feel for those who were looking forward to this event and are disappointed due to the restrictive nature of the event, so I wanted to share my feedback.

    It has been brought up, and it has merit. The issue with that is there becomes a point where it inversely affects the population. Chip damage becomes more of a concern the lower you go. Also because of the smaller health pools you are require even greater perfection in gameplay.
  • OnmixOnmix Member Posts: 508 ★★★
    Haji_Saab said:

    When was that?
    Yeah don’t quote me on that lol that’s why it was a question.

    When the participants went in for every week last year, did they play on their own phones with their own champs ?
    Seemed on the stream that they had every champ as 4* maxed.
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  • OnmixOnmix Member Posts: 508 ★★★
    Haji_Saab said:

    Oh, that was really limited to a handful of players. It would be something like a CCP beta server.
    Yeah that’s what I was referring too.
    I get that maybe it’s not possible to implement that.
    But it certainly would’ve made it better for everybody and would level the playing field.
  • MasterpuffMasterpuff Member Posts: 6,478 ★★★★★

    So, for the next week bosses, can we make them a little bit harder and challenging?

    Like, make Captain Marvel immune to the damage back from mystic champions. And IW IM should have some healing abilities, so that we need to outdamage it.

    Just some ideas. Don't make them as easier as this silver surfer was

    Obviously you have some of the few champion that actually work. Some people don’t have the luxury of having those champions ranked up.

    Like you said, you could remove rewards, but that would just be kinda pointless. Just proving to yourself that you can do it. I know I can do it, but there is no way in hell im taking up a 4* to r4 or 5 just for the purpose of making myself feel better for to get a single 5*.
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  • MasterpuffMasterpuff Member Posts: 6,478 ★★★★★

    Yea Ive solod with a few champs dusa, torch, colossus, thor.
    Some people simply cant accept the fact that it is too hard for them and arent skilled enough to do it. Most people want this game to be a walk in the park and need their hand to be held through content. I would prefer a game that involves skill rather than all easy content.

    I do wish that all masteries would be the same and we had accessibility to all champs.

    Some people don’t have champions ranked up that are actual counters, so they are screwed over.
  • LormifLormif Member Posts: 7,369 ★★★★★

    Obviously you have some of the few champion that actually work. Some people don’t have the luxury of having those champions ranked up.

    Like you said, you could remove rewards, but that would just be kinda pointless. Just proving to yourself that you can do it. I know I can do it, but there is no way in hell im taking up a 4* to r4 or 5 just for the purpose of making myself feel better for to get a single 5*.
    we have known for like a month it would require 4*s, not having 4* mats sitting around waiting to be used is not much of an excuse in my opinion.
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  • MasterpuffMasterpuff Member Posts: 6,478 ★★★★★
    Lormif said:

    And those people would still be complaining. Why because what you are stating the outrage is, is not the actual outrage people have been stating.

    The outrage has been
    1) how dare they require me to rank up things outside of 5&6 stars, because act 6 allows nothing lower.
    2) how dare they make such a long fight.
    3) how dare they make something challenging that not everyone can do easily without revives.

    This is not avoidable, because this is how the community reacts to anything that is a challenge to the base, they feel they deserve to be able to do anything, and without much of a challenge.
    Referring to number one, why would you rank a four star if you’re not doing the show down? The rewards suck, and the fight isn’t even fun, I mean he isn’t super hard, but I’m not going to take up a 4* that I will never use again just for some lousy rewards. Plus if I wanted to burn revives, I would do more abyss. Not this garbage event.
  • Mirage_TurtleMirage_Turtle Member Posts: 1,868 ★★★★
    Lormif said:

    It has been brought up, and it has merit. The issue with that is there becomes a point where it inversely affects the population. Chip damage becomes more of a concern the lower you go. Also because of the smaller health pools you are require even greater perfection in gameplay.
    That's what I was addressing when I said "Scale the health/attack down" portion. If you want to make it so a champ with a certain block proficiency will take X% of their total health as damage on a parry, the fight can be tuned for that. The difficulty doesn't have to be changed at all if the stats are scaled properly and doing so would open up accessibility to vastly more summoners.

    And besides...shouldn't we be expecting "greater perfection in gameplay" in a contest like this?
  • LormifLormif Member Posts: 7,369 ★★★★★

    That's what I was addressing when I said "Scale the health/attack down" portion. If you want to make it so a champ with a certain block proficiency will take X% of their total health as damage on a parry, the fight can be tuned for that. The difficulty doesn't have to be changed at all if the stats are scaled properly and doing so would open up accessibility to vastly more summoners.

    And besides...shouldn't we be expecting "greater perfection in gameplay" in a contest like this?
    I am fine with that, but that is not what the major issues stated have been. It is mostly about not using revives, not having access to cold snap immune, which going to 3*s would push closer to a requirement, and the length of the fight.
  • Mirage_TurtleMirage_Turtle Member Posts: 1,868 ★★★★
    Lormif said:

    I am fine with that, but that is not what the major issues stated have been. It is mostly about not using revives, not having access to cold snap immune, which going to 3*s would push closer to a requirement, and the length of the fight.
    I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying, so I'll step away. Good day.
  • MasterpuffMasterpuff Member Posts: 6,478 ★★★★★
    Lormif said:

    we have known for like a month it would require 4*s, not having 4* mats sitting around waiting to be used is not much of an excuse in my opinion.
    They didn’t tell us that it would have to be a specific 4*. I have the needed ones, but I’m not ranking them for virtually no rewards.
  • LormifLormif Member Posts: 7,369 ★★★★★

    They didn’t tell us that it would have to be a specific 4*. I have the needed ones, but I’m not ranking them for virtually no rewards.
    It is not a specific 4*..... There is a large list of potential candidates.
  • TyEdgeTyEdge Member Posts: 3,211 ★★★★★
    They’ve designed an incredibly challenging piece of content and structured an entry barrier that means most summoners will have “less” than when they started, if they complete it. That’s a bad job.

    It’s not about having the materials or not. The niche counters make it likely that more summoners would need to make decisions solely for this content, and the rewards aren’t remotely worth that.

    Someone suggested a dev build. Perfect solution. Don’t make most of your player base spend 750,000 gold and a bunch of iso, gems, and catalysts to win 500,000 gold and a pittance of shards.
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