Punishing Entire Alliance:- is that fair gameplay?

The_Sentry06 · October 2020

I feel sorry for those allies who worked hard the entire season and got shafted due to that one cheater. But it is what it is. Kabam could add some measures to send like maybe fight information like parries, dexes and hits given in AW to the officers or something like that in the future.

Lormif · October 2020

Scmex21 said:
@Lormif I am not asking any sympathy. But its one of the shortfalls that need to fixed in the game!

you need to find a way to fix it first. All you are doing is "they should find the cheating faster, we bear no responsibility for our alliance"

Staunton · October 2020

To help allies, playing who have received temp bans should be awarded a title "cheater extraordinaire" ...

If this doesnt stop cheating/modding behaviour then at least it makes it easier for officers to identify.

This info has to be in the public domain. Kinda like being a registered esx offender.

This would lead to allies who get war penalities with these players in their ranks being unable to complain.

KnightZero · October 2020

Lormif said:

Scmex21 said:
@Lormif I am not asking any sympathy. But its one of the shortfalls that need to fixed in the game!
you need to find a way to fix it first. All you are doing is "they should find the cheating faster, we bear no responsibility for our alliance"

Officers aren't people with no lives to sit and watch 30 people doing their fights every war and then analyse it to see who cheated. Yes, cheaters should be punished, but there should be a proper way for us to identify them. Not in an alliance affected by the band btw since we're legit. But it's silly to ask folks to record each and every fight as well.

Palanthrax · October 2020

Scmex21 said:
Dear Game Team,
If certain individuals are cheating please ban them it a fair game. But don’t punish the entire Alliance!
We as leaders and officers have absolutely no tool to identify who is cheating and who is not. So cannot control this aspect of Alliance management.
After Playing skillfully the entire team is stripped of two full brackets in AW. Platinum-1 to Plat2. Just not fair.
Thanks for your consideration!
GSB

Your entire alliance benefitted from the individuals who cheated. Next time, keep your house clean.

Lormif · October 2020

KnightZero said:

Lormif said:

Scmex21 said:
@Lormif I am not asking any sympathy. But its one of the shortfalls that need to fixed in the game!
you need to find a way to fix it first. All you are doing is "they should find the cheating faster, we bear no responsibility for our alliance"
Officers aren't people with no lives to sit and watch 30 people doing their fights every war and then analyse it to see who cheated. Yes, cheaters should be punished, but there should be a proper way for us to identify them. Not in an alliance affected by the band btw since we're legit. But it's silly to ask folks to record each and every fight as well.

If you are in the top ranks like this then you should take reasonable precautions to make sure your team is not cheating. And no it is not silly when you are playing for those stakes. It is a reasonable ask to minimize your efforts. Then you can yourself report them. If you dont have the time to do it then dont be an officer. It is silly to ask kabam to know who all is cheating the moment they are cheating.

Lormif · October 2020

qartweli said:
guys the way u see this is notreally correct

imagine u have good running alliance and u need 1 or 2 players..somebody sends u request and u discuss it with him..everything seems fine and he can play well..and no he doesnt die in map5 because u dont play map5 logically.

and he performs at the same level as normal and also doesnt really show any sign of hack..he just soloes fights as normal players do..wenn the whole alliance is strange like maide i understand that but when kabam explodes the whole alliance which did well and 2 assholes broke the fairplay..why do u think the rest should feel bad infront of u all?
we have no instruments but suspect and its too subjective...of course some extreme cases are seen and reacted on but mostly a normal alliance vant detect that.

and u say now we are some kind of criminals who deserve asskick?!

Imagine a team hires a player, that player cheats and they win the superbowl. Should the team get to keep the title even though the team cheated? no, they should be stripped of the title, because when a teammate cheats it calls into question every single win that the team got with that teammate. There is no way to unwind that

Mauled · October 2020

Don’t get me wrong, I do feel for you. Perhaps there’s an element of naivety in your outlook which has probably got you the backlash. If you’re ignorant of the cheaters you are a victim too but sadly you’re far less of a victim than the alliances that the dishonest players in your alliance cheated against.
There’s no easy obvious solution as it’s clearly challenging for Kabam to detect it from the outset otherwise it wouldn’t be an issue outside of the a few really dedicated cheaters.
Until such a time as Kabam are able to manage it automatically through their bot/pilot detection systems - which is what you’re asking for as down to the bottom of P2 you’re talking about 3000 players doing ~5 fights per war - the policing has to be internal.

The real sad thing about this is the alliance I’m in (backseat driver this season), went from 3rd P3 to 35 P2. That’s a huge jump in places which means that almost 20% of the top 100 AW alliances got docked. There is clearly a massive culture of cheating and if it was easy, it’d have already been dealt with at source rather than retrospectively.

Player1994 · October 2020

IMO it's not fair they should ban those who used cheats definetly and not touch anyone other in the alliance .

But if it presists that some alliance (Overall Speaking) had or has multiple cheating methods in Previous Season they should all get banned From "Alliance Seasons For an entire Season As a punishment"

Derman789 · October 2020

Alot of the people getting banned will have been for piloting, which as an officer is impossible to work out if they have been piloting for a while, especially in p2/1 alliances where the is often a decent range of skill.

Colinwhitworth69 · October 2020

There’s no way for Kabam to figure out when it is a bad apple in the alliance or an alliance that encourages cheating. Cleaning up the game will have collateral damage for sure.

Mauled · October 2020

If a player is banned for modding/piloting I’d like them to just get an AW ban.
1st offence - no war for 2 seasons, comes with the title of ‘unlucky son’
2nd offence - no war for 3 seasons, comes with the title of ‘Darwin award candidate’
3rd offence - thanks but you’re not welcome.

Derman789 · October 2020

The notation of ban waves is the real issue imo, if kabam are doing ban waves that surely mean they have know people have been cheating and have waited till the end of the season to ban them, thus meaning they had to dock the appropriate alliances, If kabam did weekly bans every Tuesday after war finishes this would be a fairer way and meaning less alliances would be docked at the end of the season, also giving leader a day to find replacements

KnightZero · October 2020

Lormif said:

KnightZero said:

Lormif said:

Scmex21 said:
@Lormif I am not asking any sympathy. But its one of the shortfalls that need to fixed in the game!
you need to find a way to fix it first. All you are doing is "they should find the cheating faster, we bear no responsibility for our alliance"
Officers aren't people with no lives to sit and watch 30 people doing their fights every war and then analyse it to see who cheated. Yes, cheaters should be punished, but there should be a proper way for us to identify them. Not in an alliance affected by the band btw since we're legit. But it's silly to ask folks to record each and every fight as well.
If you are in the top ranks like this then you should take reasonable precautions to make sure your team is not cheating. And no it is not silly when you are playing for those stakes. It is a reasonable ask to minimize your efforts. Then you can yourself report them. If you dont have the time to do it then dont be an officer. It is silly to ask kabam to know who all is cheating the moment they are cheating.

People are banned in Gold 1 also. Those are your so called Top Ranks. This isn't a high stakes poker game where we're playing for a massive cash prize that you're talking about stakes. Your version of reasonable is not reasonable at all. This. Is. A. Game. Officers are there to help the alliance. But they have their own REAL lives which maybe you don't know about. Sitting and spending time to watch 30 people fight in AQ/AW and figure out whether they are cheating isn't reasonable. It is flat out nuts. Plain and simple.
You can give the same rubbish reasoning, but there are alliances being punished without knowing they have a cheater. And at the moment, yes they are collateral for the betterment of the game which sucks, but there should be an aim to find a system where it won't happen in the future.

Murfatlar2 · October 2020

xNig said:
Tbh, Kabam should just perm ban these cheaters and all the accounts that were accessed from the cheating device.

This.
Kabam don't, actually, give a toss about the fairness of the game until they ban repeat offenders permanently. If someone is going to cheat, what deterrent is a temporary ban? The vast majority of ethically broken players are just going to try the next cheat mod that comes along, and reap the benefits for a time until it's discovered. Rinse, repeat.
Meanwhile, the big spenders that do keep this game going for all of us have to be asking "WTF Kabam?"

spigwender · October 2020

Seraphion said:
Im sorry for you guys. I know it must feel horrible if you thought you have only legit players.

But these cheater helped you get to the spot where you end as well. Saying the other ppl wouldnt face consequences wouldnt work. Then alliances would just use throw away accs to get away with cheating.

You cant please everyone and I think this is the best of bad solutions.

Im an officer myself and I feel with you guys.

best reply i’ve seen on here. you didn’t act disrespectful and act like the OP was an idiot. you acknowledge how hard it must be, getting banned for someone else’s ignorance, and also acknowledge that they benefited off of those people.

so many people on these forums have become so toxic, getting mad because people have questions or make a thread that is slightly similar to another. i wish people would just be nice to each other here.

sorry for getting off of the topic of the thread, i just liked this reply.

GinjabredMonsta · October 2020

Scmex21 said:
@Seraphion these are all shortfalls of the company that are impacting Honest players.
Ban the cheater day one! Then we kick em and recruit a new member. My point is why wait last day ban these guys and Dock the Alliance!!
Its inability of the company to create a safe game.

I think my favorite excuse cheaters or people involved with cheaters use is when they blame the company for why they cheated or their members cheated

Punishing Entire Alliance:- is that fair gameplay?

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