Unpopular opinion: Root is a brilliant node and I love it

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  • Colonaut123Colonaut123 Member Posts: 3,091 ★★★★★
    edited November 2020
    Qacob said:

    ItsDamien said:

    It's silly and an obvious cash grab. This is just to mind f the community to rewire everything they learnt past 5 years. This has nothing to do with skill.

    Learning how to rewire what you've learned to do something differently in a given situation is inherently a skill, what do you even mean that it doesn't?
    You will find no sport or art where someone cuts off your ladder to let you fall, just so you can climb up again. Then the climb becomes meaningless due to the lack of real progress.

    Ok I'm sorry but that is the dumbest analogy ever. Root is about challenging players to have to learn something new not stopping them from progressing. Challenge is what we need without it also being a paywall and that is what root is, you dont need a specific character at all, just practice.
    You need to practice to unpractice. For 5 years, we learned to outrange physical attacks. Our muscle memory is trained to move out of the way. What's the point of learning the complete opposite?

    Muscle memory is the basis of gameplay. You won't be able to play this game without it.
  • EtjamaEtjama Member Posts: 7,981 ★★★★★

    Qacob said:

    ItsDamien said:

    It's silly and an obvious cash grab. This is just to mind f the community to rewire everything they learnt past 5 years. This has nothing to do with skill.

    Learning how to rewire what you've learned to do something differently in a given situation is inherently a skill, what do you even mean that it doesn't?
    You will find no sport or art where someone cuts off your ladder to let you fall, just so you can climb up again. Then the climb becomes meaningless due to the lack of real progress.

    Ok I'm sorry but that is the dumbest analogy ever. Root is about challenging players to have to learn something new not stopping them from progressing. Challenge is what we need without it also being a paywall and that is what root is, you dont need a specific character at all, just practice.
    You need to practice to unpractice. For 5 years, we learned to outrange physical attacks. Our muscle memory is trained to move out of the way. What's the point of learning the complete opposite?
    "I've been training for years to run away from objects speeding at me. What's the point in trying to run towards it and catch it?"
    - Babe Ruth
  • FiiNCHFiiNCH Member Posts: 1,680 ★★★★★

    Qacob said:

    ItsDamien said:

    It's silly and an obvious cash grab. This is just to mind f the community to rewire everything they learnt past 5 years. This has nothing to do with skill.

    Learning how to rewire what you've learned to do something differently in a given situation is inherently a skill, what do you even mean that it doesn't?
    You will find no sport or art where someone cuts off your ladder to let you fall, just so you can climb up again. Then the climb becomes meaningless due to the lack of real progress.

    Ok I'm sorry but that is the dumbest analogy ever. Root is about challenging players to have to learn something new not stopping them from progressing. Challenge is what we need without it also being a paywall and that is what root is, you dont need a specific character at all, just practice.
    You need to practice to unpractice. For 5 years, we learned to outrange physical attacks. Our muscle memory is trained to move out of the way. What's the point of learning the complete opposite?

    Muscle memory is the basis of gameplay. You won't be able to play this game without it.
    I’m sorry if this comes across as a personal attack on you because it’s not - but what are you on about...

    I literally learned how to do it after facing the first special attack from the first champ. You’re not making any sense.
  • QacobQacob Member Posts: 2,253 ★★★★★

    Qacob said:

    ItsDamien said:

    It's silly and an obvious cash grab. This is just to mind f the community to rewire everything they learnt past 5 years. This has nothing to do with skill.

    Learning how to rewire what you've learned to do something differently in a given situation is inherently a skill, what do you even mean that it doesn't?
    You will find no sport or art where someone cuts off your ladder to let you fall, just so you can climb up again. Then the climb becomes meaningless due to the lack of real progress.

    Ok I'm sorry but that is the dumbest analogy ever. Root is about challenging players to have to learn something new not stopping them from progressing. Challenge is what we need without it also being a paywall and that is what root is, you dont need a specific character at all, just practice.
    You need to practice to unpractice. For 5 years, we learned to outrange physical attacks. Our muscle memory is trained to move out of the way. What's the point of learning the complete opposite?
    As you literally just said, its adding layers and complexities to your muscle memory; its still the same special attacks/animations you're dealing with.
  • RockypantherxRockypantherx Member Posts: 3,917 ★★★★★
    Hard, hard agree

    I had a lot of fun playing with it today. Obviously there could be some horrible combinations. But that’s true if every champ and node

    I have to hope that’s not where they take this and keep it is a fun little aspect
  • Colonaut123Colonaut123 Member Posts: 3,091 ★★★★★
    FiiNCH said:

    ItsDamien said:

    It's silly and an obvious cash grab. This is just to mind f the community to rewire everything they learnt past 5 years. This has nothing to do with skill.

    Learning how to rewire what you've learned to do something differently in a given situation is inherently a skill, what do you even mean that it doesn't?
    Skill is basically muscle memory. The more you train, the more movements are stored as muscle memory. Muscle memory allows you to execute these movements without conscious thought. Improvement is to add more complex movements on top of already memorised movements. In doing so, you create a repertoire of instinct movements. It's a ladder, the only way is up.

    You will find no sport or art where someone cuts off your ladder to let you fall, just so you can climb up again. Then the climb becomes meaningless due to the lack of real progress.

    Kabam obviously doesn't want players to learn based on muscle memory. They don't want us to progress. A large part of their revenue comes from our failure. This root mechanic is just another way for them to make money, but they sell it as if it is good for us.
    Sorry this is nonsense and you typed out a lot of words without really saying anything at all.

    Skill is not ‘basically muscle memory’. If that’s the case shouldn’t you be including inverted controls in this then because that’s definitely not unconscious thought.
    Biomechanically it is just that. Repetition creates muscle memory. Skill is nothing more than the well-timed execution of sequential memorised movements. It doesn't matter if you catch a ball, perform a dance or play a mobile game, the learning process is the same.
  • SpideyFunkoSpideyFunko Member Posts: 21,955 ★★★★★

    FiiNCH said:

    ItsDamien said:

    It's silly and an obvious cash grab. This is just to mind f the community to rewire everything they learnt past 5 years. This has nothing to do with skill.

    Learning how to rewire what you've learned to do something differently in a given situation is inherently a skill, what do you even mean that it doesn't?
    Skill is basically muscle memory. The more you train, the more movements are stored as muscle memory. Muscle memory allows you to execute these movements without conscious thought. Improvement is to add more complex movements on top of already memorised movements. In doing so, you create a repertoire of instinct movements. It's a ladder, the only way is up.

    You will find no sport or art where someone cuts off your ladder to let you fall, just so you can climb up again. Then the climb becomes meaningless due to the lack of real progress.

    Kabam obviously doesn't want players to learn based on muscle memory. They don't want us to progress. A large part of their revenue comes from our failure. This root mechanic is just another way for them to make money, but they sell it as if it is good for us.
    Sorry this is nonsense and you typed out a lot of words without really saying anything at all.

    Skill is not ‘basically muscle memory’. If that’s the case shouldn’t you be including inverted controls in this then because that’s definitely not unconscious thought.
    Biomechanically it is just that. Repetition creates muscle memory. Skill is nothing more than the well-timed execution of sequential memorised movements. It doesn't matter if you catch a ball, perform a dance or play a mobile game, the learning process is the same.
    Root is just a new skill you have to learn and get used to. Besides now you can becoming even better at dexing specials against the wall
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  • FiiNCHFiiNCH Member Posts: 1,680 ★★★★★

    FiiNCH said:

    ItsDamien said:

    It's silly and an obvious cash grab. This is just to mind f the community to rewire everything they learnt past 5 years. This has nothing to do with skill.

    Learning how to rewire what you've learned to do something differently in a given situation is inherently a skill, what do you even mean that it doesn't?
    Skill is basically muscle memory. The more you train, the more movements are stored as muscle memory. Muscle memory allows you to execute these movements without conscious thought. Improvement is to add more complex movements on top of already memorised movements. In doing so, you create a repertoire of instinct movements. It's a ladder, the only way is up.

    You will find no sport or art where someone cuts off your ladder to let you fall, just so you can climb up again. Then the climb becomes meaningless due to the lack of real progress.

    Kabam obviously doesn't want players to learn based on muscle memory. They don't want us to progress. A large part of their revenue comes from our failure. This root mechanic is just another way for them to make money, but they sell it as if it is good for us.
    Sorry this is nonsense and you typed out a lot of words without really saying anything at all.

    Skill is not ‘basically muscle memory’. If that’s the case shouldn’t you be including inverted controls in this then because that’s definitely not unconscious thought.
    Biomechanically it is just that. Repetition creates muscle memory. Skill is nothing more than the well-timed execution of sequential memorised movements. It doesn't matter if you catch a ball, perform a dance or play a mobile game, the learning process is the same.
    But what’s any if that got to do with root? It’s a new interaction in the game. You must surely have this argument anytime something new comes in like: flow/stubborn tactics, inverted controls, destructive feedback global etc..

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  • slackerslacker Member Posts: 781 ★★★★
    I feel like root is like using quake evaded near the wall, Wait, does Kabam tried to turn everyone into quaker !? I have know too much...
  • GreekhitGreekhit Member Posts: 2,820 ★★★★★
    edited November 2020
    Some specials that require distance to be dexed, can’t be dexed if rooted at close range (YJ sp1 f.e.).
    Kabam needs to take the extra time to check if any defenders placed on each quest with root, their specials can be dexed rooted.
    I personally doubt they’ll do that, leading to several problematic combinations 😠
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  • SpideyFunkoSpideyFunko Member Posts: 21,955 ★★★★★
    Greekhit said:

    Some specials that require distance to be dexed, can’t be dexed if rooted at close range (YJ sp1 f.e.).
    Kabam needs to take the extra time to check if any defenders placed on each quest with root, their specials can be dexed rooted.
    I personally doubt they’ll do that, leading to several problematic combinations 😠

    then block
  • GreekhitGreekhit Member Posts: 2,820 ★★★★★

    Greekhit said:

    Some specials that require distance to be dexed, can’t be dexed if rooted at close range (YJ sp1 f.e.).
    Kabam needs to take the extra time to check if any defenders placed on each quest with root, their specials can be dexed rooted.
    I personally doubt they’ll do that, leading to several problematic combinations 😠

    then block
    If unblockable?
    Anyway I’m using Archangel, Magik and Quake for rooted fights 😉
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,370 ★★★★★

    ItsDamien said:

    It's silly and an obvious cash grab. This is just to mind f the community to rewire everything they learnt past 5 years. This has nothing to do with skill.

    Learning how to rewire what you've learned to do something differently in a given situation is inherently a skill, what do you even mean that it doesn't?
    Skill is basically muscle memory. The more you train, the more movements are stored as muscle memory. Muscle memory allows you to execute these movements without conscious thought. Improvement is to add more complex movements on top of already memorised movements. In doing so, you create a repertoire of instinct movements. It's a ladder, the only way is up.

    You will find no sport or art where someone cuts off your ladder to let you fall, just so you can climb up again. Then the climb becomes meaningless due to the lack of real progress.

    Kabam obviously doesn't want players to learn based on muscle memory. They don't want us to progress. A large part of their revenue comes from our failure. This root mechanic is just another way for them to make money, but they sell it as if it is good for us.

    I don't think it means what you think it means.....
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  • OnmixOnmix Member Posts: 508 ★★★
    Lol since when did we need someone to start inventing the definition of skill.

    Dude. It’s a nice mechanic. Makes the game fun, different. Gets us out of the routine.
    You don’t even need to play it everywhere. Just in the side quest.

    It’s not even that hard haha just play a couple fights and get used to it.
  • LeNoirFaineantLeNoirFaineant Member Posts: 8,675 ★★★★★

    It's silly and an obvious cash grab. This is just to mind f the community to rewire everything they learnt past 5 years. This has nothing to do with skill.

    Do you know anyone who spent cash to get through it? I don't. Pretty poor cash grab if it doesn't grab cash. @Qacob I agree. I don't usually read the nodes unless I die so this one took be by surprise but I thought it was fun.
  • RookiieRookiie Member Posts: 4,821 ★★★★★
    Such an awesome mechanic tbh
    It's more challenging and gives me that extra incentive to dex the specials
  • AleorAleor Member Posts: 3,106 ★★★★★
    You're wrong obviously, the opinion is popular. Such a clickbait thread title
  • SpideyFunkoSpideyFunko Member Posts: 21,955 ★★★★★
    edited November 2020
    Aleor said:

    You're wrong obviously, the opinion is popular. Such a clickbait thread title

    ehhhhhhhhhh you didn’t see the forums earlier. Loads of root is trash, root is a cash grab, etc
  • GardenerGardener Member Posts: 1,601 ★★★
    Camby01 said:

    So let's just make every special for new champs an 18 step evade.... unblockable... can't wait until they add heimdall sp2 mechanic to them all. Can't evade, can't block. Do you really think its not around the corner? oh and go ahead and block massacres sp2. Please, I beg you.

    Not all champs have that and i love the ROOT mechanic, though i do agree i can never dodge masacares sp2
  • slackerslacker Member Posts: 781 ★★★★
    Lol, why ppl so scare that they will put some awful combine with root, of course they aware that, they are game designer, they have bigger mind and will nerf it in case of ppl complain, it like they will ever combine "Do you bleed ?"with bleed immune
  • Iron_Patriot_is_litIron_Patriot_is_lit Member Posts: 1,860 ★★★★★
    I found root kind of fun. It actually helped me dex some specials that I couldn’t before lol.
  • JueVioleGraceJueVioleGrace Member Posts: 1,424 ★★★★★

    FiiNCH said:

    ItsDamien said:

    It's silly and an obvious cash grab. This is just to mind f the community to rewire everything they learnt past 5 years. This has nothing to do with skill.

    Learning how to rewire what you've learned to do something differently in a given situation is inherently a skill, what do you even mean that it doesn't?
    Skill is basically muscle memory. The more you train, the more movements are stored as muscle memory. Muscle memory allows you to execute these movements without conscious thought. Improvement is to add more complex movements on top of already memorised movements. In doing so, you create a repertoire of instinct movements. It's a ladder, the only way is up.

    You will find no sport or art where someone cuts off your ladder to let you fall, just so you can climb up again. Then the climb becomes meaningless due to the lack of real progress.

    Kabam obviously doesn't want players to learn based on muscle memory. They don't want us to progress. A large part of their revenue comes from our failure. This root mechanic is just another way for them to make money, but they sell it as if it is good for us.
    Sorry this is nonsense and you typed out a lot of words without really saying anything at all.

    Skill is not ‘basically muscle memory’. If that’s the case shouldn’t you be including inverted controls in this then because that’s definitely not unconscious thought.
    Biomechanically it is just that. Repetition creates muscle memory. Skill is nothing more than the well-timed execution of sequential memorised movements. It doesn't matter if you catch a ball, perform a dance or play a mobile game, the learning process is the same.
    Can't skill also be using what you have learnt to overcome new situations?
  • GinjabredMonstaGinjabredMonsta Member, Guardian Posts: 6,482 Guardian
    I'm excited to see this new mechanic. The combinations in the future will suck, ht this is a change and is something to shake up what we know. If it was an easy to bypass mechanic from the start then wait would be the point of it
  • avenge_123avenge_123 Member Posts: 1,307 ★★★
    It's good ,I was running epic dif. in raid and that blue or violet ring like disc below was good ,however my 1 champ got K.O. in front of colossus' SP2 unblockable,it's easy to wait and dex but in some conditions we can get wrecked (with one slow movement of finger)
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