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FAIRNESS about members of the Act 7 BETA program contributing in LEGEND runs

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  • Sarvanga1_Sarvanga1_ Member Posts: 4,161 ★★★★★
    DarkKnightOfMcoc said:

    Sarvanga1_ said:

    I think they should make a separate bracket for beta testers in legends runs.

    two options.

    a) not allow to contribute on the runs
    b) create a seperate pool to at least give a few more guys the chance to get the title like 100 + x beta testers like they did with the exploit of the boosts in the act 6 legend runs where a boost worked op.


    that was my answer to someone a few post above.
    Not allowing to contribute in runs is harsh and not required. My option is better.
  • DarkKnightOfMcocDarkKnightOfMcoc Member Posts: 25 ★
    Sarvanga1_ said:

    DarkKnightOfMcoc said:

    Sarvanga1_ said:

    I think they should make a separate bracket for beta testers in legends runs.

    two options.

    a) not allow to contribute on the runs
    b) create a seperate pool to at least give a few more guys the chance to get the title like 100 + x beta testers like they did with the exploit of the boosts in the act 6 legend runs where a boost worked op.


    that was my answer to someone a few post above.
    Not allowing to contribute in runs is harsh and not required. My option is better.
    your option is my option b)
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,724 ★★★★★
    My question is, how much of an issue is this? How many people of the Beta Testers are actually doing Legends Runs, and how much of an advantage does it really give? The Beta is a preview, and there's no guarantee it won't change after feedback is given. It's also some time to process it and release it, so it won't exactly be that fresh in peoples' minds.
  • IKONIKON Member Posts: 1,360 ★★★★★
    The positives outweigh the negatives, and many of those legends runs end up streamed in their entirety which will undoubtedly help you as well.
  • SatsuiNoHadouSatsuiNoHadou Member Posts: 753 ★★★
    HI_guys said:

    SatsuiNoHadou said:

    GroundedWisdom said:

    Sungj said:

    GroundedWisdom said:




    What's the point of practice?
    To find out what is the most effective.

    Ahahaha I'm literally laughing after reading your comments in this thread then reading your post about that rogue in last month's event quest. Your level of cognitive dissonance is insane.

    You knew the most effective option for that rogue, a bunch of people in that thread laid out exactly how to fight her. You know what you said, "Okay. I'll try some Duels when I get up." Sounds a lot like that despite knowing what's most effective and what champs are best you still needed to actually practice.

    Who would've thought
    I'm sorry, what? I asked everyone what they used. I took some suggestions and did some Duels. Turns out I was just overtired when I did my first run. How exactly does that pertain to this discussion?
    Nothing replaces ample amounts of practice fights, especially against very tough opponents. I can attest to practice being way more practical than just watching videos on the proper techniques to employ. All of us can be given the tools and info to deal with a fight, but that’s just half the battle. Actually experiencing the fight for yourself and further refining the technique is even more important. That’s one of the reasons why I was able to qualify for the showdown semis last year; good old fashioned practice and training.
    You mean you didn't just jump in with Medusa and get a one shot the first time? Shocking!
    What I’m referring to is practice being the key to making tough fights quicker and easier by further refining the technique required to do so. That’s how faster and faster times were posted last year.
  • WorknprogressWorknprogress Member Posts: 7,233 ★★★★★
    HI_guys said:

    Worknprogress said:

    It's not like this is a completely level playing field to begin with. People with teams full of all the best 6*s at R3 should be disqualified bc everyone doesn't have access to them? People with suicides unlocked should be disqualified bc not everyone has them unlocked? People that have the ability to max boost through the entire run?

    While I get those are all somewhat different to the situation being discussed, they're all advantages. I don't personally know anyone that's done both the beta and a legends run that went through repeatedly practicing for it but if that did happen I'd bank on the number of people being incredibly small and that it makes very little difference overall.

    Where is this coming from? Everyone has access to suicides. I have access to suicides , I simply opt to not get them. I have access to r3s . I simply have not done enough content to gain a team of them. Boosts are available plenty .

    But your next para is Important. You could say it s no different from a merc running multiple legend runs from the practicing they get
    So bc people opt not to get suicides, those that did have an advantage. Sure you can have R3s but not many people have all champs available as 6*s let alone the resources to rank them. Not many people can max boost for 10hrs straight without spending to do so. All I'm saying is that it's never a completely level playing field.

    I'd rather have those people that actually have the ability to do a legends run for story content in the beta than opting out of it bc they don't qualify personally.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,724 ★★★★★
    SatsuiNoHadou said:

    HI_guys said:

    SatsuiNoHadou said:

    GroundedWisdom said:

    Sungj said:

    GroundedWisdom said:




    What's the point of practice?
    To find out what is the most effective.

    Ahahaha I'm literally laughing after reading your comments in this thread then reading your post about that rogue in last month's event quest. Your level of cognitive dissonance is insane.

    You knew the most effective option for that rogue, a bunch of people in that thread laid out exactly how to fight her. You know what you said, "Okay. I'll try some Duels when I get up." Sounds a lot like that despite knowing what's most effective and what champs are best you still needed to actually practice.

    Who would've thought
    I'm sorry, what? I asked everyone what they used. I took some suggestions and did some Duels. Turns out I was just overtired when I did my first run. How exactly does that pertain to this discussion?
    Nothing replaces ample amounts of practice fights, especially against very tough opponents. I can attest to practice being way more practical than just watching videos on the proper techniques to employ. All of us can be given the tools and info to deal with a fight, but that’s just half the battle. Actually experiencing the fight for yourself and further refining the technique is even more important. That’s one of the reasons why I was able to qualify for the showdown semis last year; good old fashioned practice and training.
    You mean you didn't just jump in with Medusa and get a one shot the first time? Shocking!
    What I’m referring to is practice being the key to making tough fights quicker and easier by further refining the technique required to do so. That’s how faster and faster times were posted last year.
    Of course practice helps people go faster. I'm just not convinced there are many people with that intention. My point was people can just as easily be prepared going into it. What I've seen is people are testing the content and providing feedback. Not looking for a cheesy Legends Run.
    In any case, there is no easy solution. Do you disqualify people and dissuade them from participating in the Beta? Do you select people that have never done a Legends Run? My point still stands about no guarantees that the content will be the same when it's released. What's the solution that people have?
  • SatsuiNoHadouSatsuiNoHadou Member Posts: 753 ★★★
    edited February 2021
    GroundedWisdom said:

    HI_guys said:

    GroundedWisdom said:

    Sungj said:

    GroundedWisdom said:




    What's the point of practice?
    To find out what is the most effective.

    Ahahaha I'm literally laughing after reading your comments in this thread then reading your post about that rogue in last month's event quest. Your level of cognitive dissonance is insane.

    You knew the most effective option for that rogue, a bunch of people in that thread laid out exactly how to fight her. You know what you said, "Okay. I'll try some Duels when I get up." Sounds a lot like that despite knowing what's most effective and what champs are best you still needed to actually practice.

    Who would've thought
    I'm sorry, what? I asked everyone what they used. I took some suggestions and did some Duels. Turns out I was just overtired when I did my first run. How exactly does that pertain to this discussion?
    Because you didn't say , "okay I now have the counter let me jump in". You thought you had to do duels. Why did you think that? For practice right? To learn how to space the heavy? Why else would you do it?


    And btw weren't you all for fairness in alliance war math up? Here we have something that goes against the sense of fairness and you don't agree?
    No I said I was having a hard time getting a Heavy off with her and asked people what they used. I didn't say anything about fairness. People will stretch any Post I make to imply some sort of contradiction.
    I could care less. Ban us from Legends Runs for all I care. My point is, something that isn't likely a large issue is being canvassed as a major issue of fairness. Pick and choose the battles.
    On the contrary, nothing beats experience garnered from practice. This is how good players become great and grater players become even better. Like I said, every single one of us in the community is equipped with the knowledge to handle the toughest fights via tools such as YouTube or other social media apps. How you implement that knowledge in the best possible manner comes down to practice to familiarise yourself with how to actually carry it out.

    Whether this extra know-how of how to actually pull of an efficient fight in the shortest time possible is outfight unfair is not for me to say. But what I am certain of is that it does confer an advantage.
  • DarkKnightOfMcocDarkKnightOfMcoc Member Posts: 25 ★
    Worknprogress said:

    HI_guys said:

    Worknprogress said:

    It's not like this is a completely level playing field to begin with. People with teams full of all the best 6*s at R3 should be disqualified bc everyone doesn't have access to them? People with suicides unlocked should be disqualified bc not everyone has them unlocked? People that have the ability to max boost through the entire run?

    While I get those are all somewhat different to the situation being discussed, they're all advantages. I don't personally know anyone that's done both the beta and a legends run that went through repeatedly practicing for it but if that did happen I'd bank on the number of people being incredibly small and that it makes very little difference overall.

    Where is this coming from? Everyone has access to suicides. I have access to suicides , I simply opt to not get them. I have access to r3s . I simply have not done enough content to gain a team of them. Boosts are available plenty .

    But your next para is Important. You could say it s no different from a merc running multiple legend runs from the practicing they get
    So bc people opt not to get suicides, those that did have an advantage. Sure you can have R3s but not many people have all champs available as 6*s let alone the resources to rank them. Not many people can max boost for 10hrs straight without spending to do so. All I'm saying is that it's never a completely level playing field.

    I'd rather have those people that actually have the ability to do a legends run for story content in the beta than opting out of it bc they don't qualify personally.
    you cant buy the access to the act 7 beta
    but u can buy r3s by buying offers like rank ups, t5ccs, cyber and 4th july offers,
    you can buy units to unlock materies.

    but the point you are strictly ignoring is that you cant buy the access to that specific content called act 7 beta.

    and as ive said already.
    if you have only 1% of advantage to the rest it means that your are not fair against other contributors.
    thats the pint about advantage, fairness etc.

    no one is talking about the possible unfairness which can be influenced by money.
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  • BitterSteelBitterSteel Member Posts: 9,264 ★★★★★
    I look at it this way. If I wanted to do a legends run, would I want to be on the beta to practice my options for the fights? Yes I would. That means it’s an advantage.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,724 ★★★★★
    HI_guys said:

    Worknprogress said:

    HI_guys said:

    Worknprogress said:

    It's not like this is a completely level playing field to begin with. People with teams full of all the best 6*s at R3 should be disqualified bc everyone doesn't have access to them? People with suicides unlocked should be disqualified bc not everyone has them unlocked? People that have the ability to max boost through the entire run?

    While I get those are all somewhat different to the situation being discussed, they're all advantages. I don't personally know anyone that's done both the beta and a legends run that went through repeatedly practicing for it but if that did happen I'd bank on the number of people being incredibly small and that it makes very little difference overall.

    Where is this coming from? Everyone has access to suicides. I have access to suicides , I simply opt to not get them. I have access to r3s . I simply have not done enough content to gain a team of them. Boosts are available plenty .

    But your next para is Important. You could say it s no different from a merc running multiple legend runs from the practicing they get
    So bc people opt not to get suicides, those that did have an advantage. Sure you can have R3s but not many people have all champs available as 6*s let alone the resources to rank them. Not many people can max boost for 10hrs straight without spending to do so. All I'm saying is that it's never a completely level playing field.

    .
    If you opt out of something you can't say others have an advantage. Even still, I can't just opt in to beta program. If that were the case then it would be fine. Ofcourse it can never be 100% level . Only flash games without any RNG have completely level playing fields
    What about the fact that the majority of Legends Runs are the same people who do it time and time again? That's not going to change much.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,724 ★★★★★
    So moving on. What's the solution people are suggesting? Do they not allow Beta Testers to do Legends Runs? If memory serves, didn't they do that before?
  • Thecrusher_9756Thecrusher_9756 Member Posts: 772 ★★★
    GroundedWisdom said:

    HI_guys said:

    Worknprogress said:

    HI_guys said:

    Worknprogress said:

    It's not like this is a completely level playing field to begin with. People with teams full of all the best 6*s at R3 should be disqualified bc everyone doesn't have access to them? People with suicides unlocked should be disqualified bc not everyone has them unlocked? People that have the ability to max boost through the entire run?

    While I get those are all somewhat different to the situation being discussed, they're all advantages. I don't personally know anyone that's done both the beta and a legends run that went through repeatedly practicing for it but if that did happen I'd bank on the number of people being incredibly small and that it makes very little difference overall.

    Where is this coming from? Everyone has access to suicides. I have access to suicides , I simply opt to not get them. I have access to r3s . I simply have not done enough content to gain a team of them. Boosts are available plenty .

    But your next para is Important. You could say it s no different from a merc running multiple legend runs from the practicing they get
    So bc people opt not to get suicides, those that did have an advantage. Sure you can have R3s but not many people have all champs available as 6*s let alone the resources to rank them. Not many people can max boost for 10hrs straight without spending to do so. All I'm saying is that it's never a completely level playing field.

    .
    If you opt out of something you can't say others have an advantage. Even still, I can't just opt in to beta program. If that were the case then it would be fine. Ofcourse it can never be 100% level . Only flash games without any RNG have completely level playing fields
    What about the fact that the majority of Legends Runs are the same people who do it time and time again? That's not going to change much.
    What even is your point here? Each legend run is different with different fights/champions/nodes. People may disagree on whether they personally think it’s right for people to run legends runs every month but in the end it is actually fair. The point being made here is people do have an advantage by being able to practice fights before the legends run whilst others can’t. I don’t see what’s so hard to understand about that.
  • WorknprogressWorknprogress Member Posts: 7,233 ★★★★★
    HI_guys said:

    Worknprogress said:

    HI_guys said:

    Worknprogress said:

    It's not like this is a completely level playing field to begin with. People with teams full of all the best 6*s at R3 should be disqualified bc everyone doesn't have access to them? People with suicides unlocked should be disqualified bc not everyone has them unlocked? People that have the ability to max boost through the entire run?

    While I get those are all somewhat different to the situation being discussed, they're all advantages. I don't personally know anyone that's done both the beta and a legends run that went through repeatedly practicing for it but if that did happen I'd bank on the number of people being incredibly small and that it makes very little difference overall.

    Where is this coming from? Everyone has access to suicides. I have access to suicides , I simply opt to not get them. I have access to r3s . I simply have not done enough content to gain a team of them. Boosts are available plenty .

    But your next para is Important. You could say it s no different from a merc running multiple legend runs from the practicing they get
    So bc people opt not to get suicides, those that did have an advantage. Sure you can have R3s but not many people have all champs available as 6*s let alone the resources to rank them. Not many people can max boost for 10hrs straight without spending to do so. All I'm saying is that it's never a completely level playing field.

    .
    If you opt out of something you can't say others have an advantage. Even still, I can't just opt in to beta program. If that were the case then it would be fine. Ofcourse it can never be 100% level . Only flash games without any RNG have completely level playing fields
    So if it's not level to begin with, how in the world is this an issue?
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,724 ★★★★★
    Thecrusher_9756 said:

    GroundedWisdom said:

    HI_guys said:

    Worknprogress said:

    HI_guys said:

    Worknprogress said:

    It's not like this is a completely level playing field to begin with. People with teams full of all the best 6*s at R3 should be disqualified bc everyone doesn't have access to them? People with suicides unlocked should be disqualified bc not everyone has them unlocked? People that have the ability to max boost through the entire run?

    While I get those are all somewhat different to the situation being discussed, they're all advantages. I don't personally know anyone that's done both the beta and a legends run that went through repeatedly practicing for it but if that did happen I'd bank on the number of people being incredibly small and that it makes very little difference overall.

    Where is this coming from? Everyone has access to suicides. I have access to suicides , I simply opt to not get them. I have access to r3s . I simply have not done enough content to gain a team of them. Boosts are available plenty .

    But your next para is Important. You could say it s no different from a merc running multiple legend runs from the practicing they get
    So bc people opt not to get suicides, those that did have an advantage. Sure you can have R3s but not many people have all champs available as 6*s let alone the resources to rank them. Not many people can max boost for 10hrs straight without spending to do so. All I'm saying is that it's never a completely level playing field.

    .
    If you opt out of something you can't say others have an advantage. Even still, I can't just opt in to beta program. If that were the case then it would be fine. Ofcourse it can never be 100% level . Only flash games without any RNG have completely level playing fields
    What about the fact that the majority of Legends Runs are the same people who do it time and time again? That's not going to change much.
    What even is your point here? Each legend run is different with different fights/champions/nodes. People may disagree on whether they personally think it’s right for people to run legends runs every month but in the end it is actually fair. The point being made here is people do have an advantage by being able to practice fights before the legends run whilst others can’t. I don’t see what’s so hard to understand about that.
    The point was, whether they do the Beta or not, it's probably going to be the same people regardless. How many new Legends on average are added? A couple?
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  • DarkKnightOfMcocDarkKnightOfMcoc Member Posts: 25 ★
    Worknprogress said:

    DarkKnightOfMcoc said:

    Worknprogress said:

    DarkKnightOfMcoc said:

    Worknprogress said:

    HI_guys said:

    Worknprogress said:

    It's not like this is a completely level playing field to begin with. People with teams full of all the best 6*s at R3 should be disqualified bc everyone doesn't have access to them? People with suicides unlocked should be disqualified bc not everyone has them unlocked? People that have the ability to max boost through the entire run?

    While I get those are all somewhat different to the situation being discussed, they're all advantages. I don't personally know anyone that's done both the beta and a legends run that went through repeatedly practicing for it but if that did happen I'd bank on the number of people being incredibly small and that it makes very little difference overall.

    Where is this coming from? Everyone has access to suicides. I have access to suicides , I simply opt to not get them. I have access to r3s . I simply have not done enough content to gain a team of them. Boosts are available plenty .

    But your next para is Important. You could say it s no different from a merc running multiple legend runs from the practicing they get
    So bc people opt not to get suicides, those that did have an advantage. Sure you can have R3s but not many people have all champs available as 6*s let alone the resources to rank them. Not many people can max boost for 10hrs straight without spending to do so. All I'm saying is that it's never a completely level playing field.

    I'd rather have those people that actually have the ability to do a legends run for story content in the beta than opting out of it bc they don't qualify personally.
    you cant buy the access to the act 7 beta
    but u can buy r3s by buying offers like rank ups, t5ccs, cyber and 4th july offers,
    you can buy units to unlock materies.

    but the point you are strictly ignoring is that you cant buy the access to that specific content called act 7 beta.

    and as ive said already.
    if you have only 1% of advantage to the rest it means that your are not fair against other contributors.
    thats the pint about advantage, fairness etc.

    no one is talking about the possible unfairness which can be influenced by money.
    That's my whole point though. Just bc YOU can buy those things doesn't mean everyone can. So if you do, you have an advantage. How large of an advantage is debatable but as you said, an advantage is an advantage.

    I'm not ignoring anything at all, I just don't agree that this is an issue even worth discussing personally and that this like oh so many things on this forum is just making a mountain out of a molehill.
    yes you are not ignoring anything but you grade a post not worth discussing ONLY because it is the opinion of sb else and against your opinion.
    that says all about you
    maybe you should look what the words discussion and opinion means

    and it doesnt change ANYTHING if i or sb else can buy sth. if you can do it, it is different to the OP which is referred to sth NO ONE CAN BUY or Influence.
    So it's okay for someone to gain an advantage from money but not by being selected for a beta?

    I honestly don't get your point. You say an advantage is an advantage so shouldn't count but yet you want to cherry pick which advantages are okay and which aren't.
    your problem is not that you dont get the point, it is because you dont want to get it. thats the result if you are not open for different opinions like you have clarified in your posts above.
    So there is no reason to push a discussion to a bad spot if you are ignoring facts by watering it down.
  • WorknprogressWorknprogress Member Posts: 7,233 ★★★★★
    DarkKnightOfMcoc said:

    Worknprogress said:

    DarkKnightOfMcoc said:

    Worknprogress said:

    DarkKnightOfMcoc said:

    Worknprogress said:

    HI_guys said:

    Worknprogress said:

    It's not like this is a completely level playing field to begin with. People with teams full of all the best 6*s at R3 should be disqualified bc everyone doesn't have access to them? People with suicides unlocked should be disqualified bc not everyone has them unlocked? People that have the ability to max boost through the entire run?

    While I get those are all somewhat different to the situation being discussed, they're all advantages. I don't personally know anyone that's done both the beta and a legends run that went through repeatedly practicing for it but if that did happen I'd bank on the number of people being incredibly small and that it makes very little difference overall.

    Where is this coming from? Everyone has access to suicides. I have access to suicides , I simply opt to not get them. I have access to r3s . I simply have not done enough content to gain a team of them. Boosts are available plenty .

    But your next para is Important. You could say it s no different from a merc running multiple legend runs from the practicing they get
    So bc people opt not to get suicides, those that did have an advantage. Sure you can have R3s but not many people have all champs available as 6*s let alone the resources to rank them. Not many people can max boost for 10hrs straight without spending to do so. All I'm saying is that it's never a completely level playing field.

    I'd rather have those people that actually have the ability to do a legends run for story content in the beta than opting out of it bc they don't qualify personally.
    you cant buy the access to the act 7 beta
    but u can buy r3s by buying offers like rank ups, t5ccs, cyber and 4th july offers,
    you can buy units to unlock materies.

    but the point you are strictly ignoring is that you cant buy the access to that specific content called act 7 beta.

    and as ive said already.
    if you have only 1% of advantage to the rest it means that your are not fair against other contributors.
    thats the pint about advantage, fairness etc.

    no one is talking about the possible unfairness which can be influenced by money.
    That's my whole point though. Just bc YOU can buy those things doesn't mean everyone can. So if you do, you have an advantage. How large of an advantage is debatable but as you said, an advantage is an advantage.

    I'm not ignoring anything at all, I just don't agree that this is an issue even worth discussing personally and that this like oh so many things on this forum is just making a mountain out of a molehill.
    yes you are not ignoring anything but you grade a post not worth discussing ONLY because it is the opinion of sb else and against your opinion.
    that says all about you
    maybe you should look what the words discussion and opinion means

    and it doesnt change ANYTHING if i or sb else can buy sth. if you can do it, it is different to the OP which is referred to sth NO ONE CAN BUY or Influence.
    So it's okay for someone to gain an advantage from money but not by being selected for a beta?

    I honestly don't get your point. You say an advantage is an advantage so shouldn't count but yet you want to cherry pick which advantages are okay and which aren't.
    your problem is not that you dont get the point, it is because you dont want to get it. thats the result if you are not open for different opinions like you have clarified in your posts above.
    So there is no reason to push a discussion to a bad spot if you are ignoring facts by watering it down.
    That's not watering anything down. That's just taking a point you made and showing how silly it is. Either give everyone the same champs, masteries, boosts, etc... or your point about "fairness" is completely irrelevant.
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,573 ★★★★★
    HI_guys said:

    DarkKnightOfMcoc said:

    will-o-wisp said:

    So it's better not to have any beta? Then how will someone give feedback about it?

    two options.

    a) not allow to contribute on the runs
    b) create a seperate pool to at least give a few more guys the chance to get the title like 100 + x beta testers like they did with the exploit of the boosts in the act 6 legend runs where a boost worked op.
    Im sure there will be lot sig people not even thinking if legend runs. Maybe put a clause that if you participate in beta you won't get to do legend runs?
    Wow. That's a level of ignorance I haven't seen from you before.

    We've had Beta testing for every level of story content. We have yet to see anyone come out with an advantage that was in said beta.

    There's been zero drama over who got a legends run title because they participated in a beta test. The whole idea is ridiculous to start with because almost always, the content is changed based on feedback from testing. Champion fights are changed or certain nodes are changed.
  • PulyamanPulyaman Member Posts: 2,365 ★★★★★
    Worknprogress said:

    DarkKnightOfMcoc said:

    Worknprogress said:

    DarkKnightOfMcoc said:

    Worknprogress said:

    DarkKnightOfMcoc said:

    Worknprogress said:

    HI_guys said:

    Worknprogress said:

    It's not like this is a completely level playing field to begin with. People with teams full of all the best 6*s at R3 should be disqualified bc everyone doesn't have access to them? People with suicides unlocked should be disqualified bc not everyone has them unlocked? People that have the ability to max boost through the entire run?

    While I get those are all somewhat different to the situation being discussed, they're all advantages. I don't personally know anyone that's done both the beta and a legends run that went through repeatedly practicing for it but if that did happen I'd bank on the number of people being incredibly small and that it makes very little difference overall.

    Where is this coming from? Everyone has access to suicides. I have access to suicides , I simply opt to not get them. I have access to r3s . I simply have not done enough content to gain a team of them. Boosts are available plenty .

    But your next para is Important. You could say it s no different from a merc running multiple legend runs from the practicing they get
    So bc people opt not to get suicides, those that did have an advantage. Sure you can have R3s but not many people have all champs available as 6*s let alone the resources to rank them. Not many people can max boost for 10hrs straight without spending to do so. All I'm saying is that it's never a completely level playing field.

    I'd rather have those people that actually have the ability to do a legends run for story content in the beta than opting out of it bc they don't qualify personally.
    you cant buy the access to the act 7 beta
    but u can buy r3s by buying offers like rank ups, t5ccs, cyber and 4th july offers,
    you can buy units to unlock materies.

    but the point you are strictly ignoring is that you cant buy the access to that specific content called act 7 beta.

    and as ive said already.
    if you have only 1% of advantage to the rest it means that your are not fair against other contributors.
    thats the pint about advantage, fairness etc.

    no one is talking about the possible unfairness which can be influenced by money.
    That's my whole point though. Just bc YOU can buy those things doesn't mean everyone can. So if you do, you have an advantage. How large of an advantage is debatable but as you said, an advantage is an advantage.

    I'm not ignoring anything at all, I just don't agree that this is an issue even worth discussing personally and that this like oh so many things on this forum is just making a mountain out of a molehill.
    yes you are not ignoring anything but you grade a post not worth discussing ONLY because it is the opinion of sb else and against your opinion.
    that says all about you
    maybe you should look what the words discussion and opinion means

    and it doesnt change ANYTHING if i or sb else can buy sth. if you can do it, it is different to the OP which is referred to sth NO ONE CAN BUY or Influence.
    So it's okay for someone to gain an advantage from money but not by being selected for a beta?

    I honestly don't get your point. You say an advantage is an advantage so shouldn't count but yet you want to cherry pick which advantages are okay and which aren't.
    your problem is not that you dont get the point, it is because you dont want to get it. thats the result if you are not open for different opinions like you have clarified in your posts above.
    So there is no reason to push a discussion to a bad spot if you are ignoring facts by watering it down.
    That's not watering anything down. That's just taking a point you made and showing how silly it is. Either give everyone the same champs, masteries, boosts, etc... or your point about "fairness" is completely irrelevant.
    Spending money, using boosts, using suicides are all in the players control. Rng is part and parcel of the game and we accept that. Getting invited to beta is not in our control. So that is what is creating the unfairness angle for some people. As someone not interested in that legend title, I don't care. But, it is an advantage that cannot be achieved through money or hard work or spending time on the game. That is what irks some people.
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,573 ★★★★★
    DarkKnightOfMcoc said:

    How fair is it, that members of the BETA program are allowed to contribute in Legend runs after practicing so many days and the rest have to do the run immediately without the chance to do fights multiple times with endless resources, trying out different champs etc.?

    You're over reacting completely. It's a non issue. Nodes and champions change from beta to live so there's no real way to prepare.
  • PulyamanPulyaman Member Posts: 2,365 ★★★★★
    DarkKnightOfMcoc said:

    Worknprogress said:

    DarkKnightOfMcoc said:

    Worknprogress said:

    DarkKnightOfMcoc said:

    Worknprogress said:

    DarkKnightOfMcoc said:

    Worknprogress said:

    HI_guys said:

    Worknprogress said:

    It's not like this is a completely level playing field to begin with. People with teams full of all the best 6*s at R3 should be disqualified bc everyone doesn't have access to them? People with suicides unlocked should be disqualified bc not everyone has them unlocked? People that have the ability to max boost through the entire run?

    While I get those are all somewhat different to the situation being discussed, they're all advantages. I don't personally know anyone that's done both the beta and a legends run that went through repeatedly practicing for it but if that did happen I'd bank on the number of people being incredibly small and that it makes very little difference overall.

    Where is this coming from? Everyone has access to suicides. I have access to suicides , I simply opt to not get them. I have access to r3s . I simply have not done enough content to gain a team of them. Boosts are available plenty .

    But your next para is Important. You could say it s no different from a merc running multiple legend runs from the practicing they get
    So bc people opt not to get suicides, those that did have an advantage. Sure you can have R3s but not many people have all champs available as 6*s let alone the resources to rank them. Not many people can max boost for 10hrs straight without spending to do so. All I'm saying is that it's never a completely level playing field.

    I'd rather have those people that actually have the ability to do a legends run for story content in the beta than opting out of it bc they don't qualify personally.
    you cant buy the access to the act 7 beta
    but u can buy r3s by buying offers like rank ups, t5ccs, cyber and 4th july offers,
    you can buy units to unlock materies.

    but the point you are strictly ignoring is that you cant buy the access to that specific content called act 7 beta.

    and as ive said already.
    if you have only 1% of advantage to the rest it means that your are not fair against other contributors.
    thats the pint about advantage, fairness etc.

    no one is talking about the possible unfairness which can be influenced by money.
    That's my whole point though. Just bc YOU can buy those things doesn't mean everyone can. So if you do, you have an advantage. How large of an advantage is debatable but as you said, an advantage is an advantage.

    I'm not ignoring anything at all, I just don't agree that this is an issue even worth discussing personally and that this like oh so many things on this forum is just making a mountain out of a molehill.
    yes you are not ignoring anything but you grade a post not worth discussing ONLY because it is the opinion of sb else and against your opinion.
    that says all about you
    maybe you should look what the words discussion and opinion means

    and it doesnt change ANYTHING if i or sb else can buy sth. if you can do it, it is different to the OP which is referred to sth NO ONE CAN BUY or Influence.
    So it's okay for someone to gain an advantage from money but not by being selected for a beta?

    I honestly don't get your point. You say an advantage is an advantage so shouldn't count but yet you want to cherry pick which advantages are okay and which aren't.
    your problem is not that you dont get the point, it is because you dont want to get it. thats the result if you are not open for different opinions like you have clarified in your posts above.
    So there is no reason to push a discussion to a bad spot if you are ignoring facts by watering it down.
    That's not watering anything down. That's just taking a point you made and showing how silly it is. Either give everyone the same champs, masteries, boosts, etc... or your point about "fairness" is completely irrelevant.
    silly is only your attitude against other opinions. and thats really sad how ignorant u r
    No need to get personal mate. It's a problem. But not as big as you make it out to be. It does give an advantage to beta testers as lagacy has done both beta and legends run for 6.3. Hopefully kabam mods can chime in after they read the comments.
  • WorknprogressWorknprogress Member Posts: 7,233 ★★★★★
    Pulyaman said:

    Worknprogress said:

    DarkKnightOfMcoc said:

    Worknprogress said:

    DarkKnightOfMcoc said:

    Worknprogress said:

    DarkKnightOfMcoc said:

    Worknprogress said:

    HI_guys said:

    Worknprogress said:

    It's not like this is a completely level playing field to begin with. People with teams full of all the best 6*s at R3 should be disqualified bc everyone doesn't have access to them? People with suicides unlocked should be disqualified bc not everyone has them unlocked? People that have the ability to max boost through the entire run?

    While I get those are all somewhat different to the situation being discussed, they're all advantages. I don't personally know anyone that's done both the beta and a legends run that went through repeatedly practicing for it but if that did happen I'd bank on the number of people being incredibly small and that it makes very little difference overall.

    Where is this coming from? Everyone has access to suicides. I have access to suicides , I simply opt to not get them. I have access to r3s . I simply have not done enough content to gain a team of them. Boosts are available plenty .

    But your next para is Important. You could say it s no different from a merc running multiple legend runs from the practicing they get
    So bc people opt not to get suicides, those that did have an advantage. Sure you can have R3s but not many people have all champs available as 6*s let alone the resources to rank them. Not many people can max boost for 10hrs straight without spending to do so. All I'm saying is that it's never a completely level playing field.

    I'd rather have those people that actually have the ability to do a legends run for story content in the beta than opting out of it bc they don't qualify personally.
    you cant buy the access to the act 7 beta
    but u can buy r3s by buying offers like rank ups, t5ccs, cyber and 4th july offers,
    you can buy units to unlock materies.

    but the point you are strictly ignoring is that you cant buy the access to that specific content called act 7 beta.

    and as ive said already.
    if you have only 1% of advantage to the rest it means that your are not fair against other contributors.
    thats the pint about advantage, fairness etc.

    no one is talking about the possible unfairness which can be influenced by money.
    That's my whole point though. Just bc YOU can buy those things doesn't mean everyone can. So if you do, you have an advantage. How large of an advantage is debatable but as you said, an advantage is an advantage.

    I'm not ignoring anything at all, I just don't agree that this is an issue even worth discussing personally and that this like oh so many things on this forum is just making a mountain out of a molehill.
    yes you are not ignoring anything but you grade a post not worth discussing ONLY because it is the opinion of sb else and against your opinion.
    that says all about you
    maybe you should look what the words discussion and opinion means

    and it doesnt change ANYTHING if i or sb else can buy sth. if you can do it, it is different to the OP which is referred to sth NO ONE CAN BUY or Influence.
    So it's okay for someone to gain an advantage from money but not by being selected for a beta?

    I honestly don't get your point. You say an advantage is an advantage so shouldn't count but yet you want to cherry pick which advantages are okay and which aren't.
    your problem is not that you dont get the point, it is because you dont want to get it. thats the result if you are not open for different opinions like you have clarified in your posts above.
    So there is no reason to push a discussion to a bad spot if you are ignoring facts by watering it down.
    That's not watering anything down. That's just taking a point you made and showing how silly it is. Either give everyone the same champs, masteries, boosts, etc... or your point about "fairness" is completely irrelevant.
    Spending money, using boosts, using suicides are all in the players control. Rng is part and parcel of the game and we accept that. Getting invited to beta is not in our control. So that is what is creating the unfairness angle for some people. As someone not interested in that legend title, I don't care. But, it is an advantage that cannot be achieved through money or hard work or spending time on the game. That is what irks some people.
    So the people that have the ability to spend massive amounts on the game should have a separate bracket as well? That's not something someone can just choose to do when they don't have the money to do so.

    It's just a silly point. You can't cherry pick advantages you're personally okay with and then want to disqualify another. It's either level or it doesn't actually matter
  • PulyamanPulyaman Member Posts: 2,365 ★★★★★
    Demonzfyre said:

    DarkKnightOfMcoc said:

    Worknprogress said:

    HI_guys said:

    Worknprogress said:

    It's not like this is a completely level playing field to begin with. People with teams full of all the best 6*s at R3 should be disqualified bc everyone doesn't have access to them? People with suicides unlocked should be disqualified bc not everyone has them unlocked? People that have the ability to max boost through the entire run?

    While I get those are all somewhat different to the situation being discussed, they're all advantages. I don't personally know anyone that's done both the beta and a legends run that went through repeatedly practicing for it but if that did happen I'd bank on the number of people being incredibly small and that it makes very little difference overall.

    Where is this coming from? Everyone has access to suicides. I have access to suicides , I simply opt to not get them. I have access to r3s . I simply have not done enough content to gain a team of them. Boosts are available plenty .

    But your next para is Important. You could say it s no different from a merc running multiple legend runs from the practicing they get
    So bc people opt not to get suicides, those that did have an advantage. Sure you can have R3s but not many people have all champs available as 6*s let alone the resources to rank them. Not many people can max boost for 10hrs straight without spending to do so. All I'm saying is that it's never a completely level playing field.

    I'd rather have those people that actually have the ability to do a legends run for story content in the beta than opting out of it bc they don't qualify personally.
    you cant buy the access to the act 7 beta
    but u can buy r3s by buying offers like rank ups, t5ccs, cyber and 4th july offers,
    you can buy units to unlock materies.

    but the point you are strictly ignoring is that you cant buy the access to that specific content called act 7 beta.

    and as ive said already.
    if you have only 1% of advantage to the rest it means that your are not fair against other contributors.
    thats the pint about advantage, fairness etc.

    no one is talking about the possible unfairness which can be influenced by money.
    It's literally on youtube. It's all right there for you to look at. This is such a strange hill to die on. This whole post is just stupid.
    I mean. If looking at you tube is all we need to do, why does everyone advice to duel the champion to get the sp1 dex down first? His complaints are valid. It's just not worth looking into for everyone.
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