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Does this AW matching makes sense?

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    CaptainGameCaptainGame Posts: 369 β˜…β˜…β˜…
    Ugh here we go again...
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    TitoBandito187TitoBandito187 Posts: 2,072 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…
    I'm in a 40m ally and we lost to a 12m ally recently - fair and square and I'll tell you why.

    We always run just 1 bg of AW. That 12m ally only had 11 people in it, but they had more 6* R3 than our entire 30 person alliance. They were 1 bg of raw talent with stronger defense and offense.

    We move routinely move between G2-S2 and are currently just S2 at the moment because a lot of people just don't want to make the commitment to press up as we're enjoying a stress free season and only playing for fun with random participants, no set paths, and no requirement to use items.

    The other ally not only had better ranked defense and better attackers, but they outclassed us in every way with only a single death.

    Our ally rating meant nothing.

    Basing matchups off war rating is much more fair than it was before and we aren't mad for that loss. In fact, we were all pretty damn impressed. That ally deserved the win and did everything right to secure it.
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    GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 36,248 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…
    People still justifying forcing others to bring a knife to a gun fight. Lol. Never ends.
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    JueVioleGraceJueVioleGrace Posts: 1,424 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…
    edited March 2021
    Deja vu, I've seen this all before.
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    GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 36,248 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…
    No matter how much people keep making excuses, what people are bringing into the War affects what the other team comes up against. War Rating is a variable that can be manipulated. You can lose on purpose, you can take a hiatus, you can do many things to change it as a reflection of strength. You can't deny that the fire power both sides are bringing has an effect on the outcome. It's almost delusional the way people keep asserting War Rating is all that makes a difference.
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    TitoBandito187TitoBandito187 Posts: 2,072 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…

    People still justifying forcing others to bring a knife to a gun fight. Lol. Never ends.

    And then there's that one guy, who, the one time in his life doesn't agree with something Kabam does, brings...

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    GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 36,248 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…

    People still justifying forcing others to bring a knife to a gun fight. Lol. Never ends.

    And then there's that one guy, who, the one time in his life doesn't agree with something Kabam does, brings...

    Oh, I'm not whining. I'm just dumbfounded at the lack of logic behind the argument. "It's fair cuz fair is unfair cuz War Rating says so."
    Mkay.
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    Nah01Nah01 Posts: 243 β˜…β˜…
    I understand the feeling when you open the game, look at enemy defenders and everything you can see is max 5* or even rank 3 6* Doom, Thing, NF ex, even if they don't try to win, to get through all that defenders to reach the final boss and beat him to secure the necessary points for your team are a torture and expensive.

    There is no perfect matchmaking system as far as I know. Kabam has tried many and every system has its holes. It's a reality that we need to accept and move on.
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    Mobile_P0tat0Mobile_P0tat0 Posts: 966 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…
    I have a friend in PIMP, he says that they are terrible in war. As long as you guys are organized, plan, and don't choke you should be able to get the W.
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    Mr_PlatypusMr_Platypus Posts: 2,779 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…

    People still justifying forcing others to bring a knife to a gun fight. Lol. Never ends.

    Well can’t be that hard when my alliance pulled it off.
    The big scary 55mil alliance were trash and had 5 deaths within their first 10 fights, they also didn’t even try to explore lanes 4-9 and still ended up with more deaths than us.If anything it was unfair for them, because we steamrolled them despite the 20mil rating difference.
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    GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 36,248 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…
    No one is suggesting it returns to the Prestige-only system. Not with the current Rewards structure. That was a temporary suggestion to prevent Tanking damage. What there should be, is a reasonable range that Matches can occur. Not a primary parameter. Meaning, if the two sides are vastly different, that shouldn't take place. It's not that hard to implement. You have War Rating as the first condition, then within X and Y of the other.
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    GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 36,248 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…

    People still justifying forcing others to bring a knife to a gun fight. Lol. Never ends.

    Well can’t be that hard when my alliance pulled it off.
    The big scary 55mil alliance were trash and had 5 deaths within their first 10 fights, they also didn’t even try to explore lanes 4-9 and still ended up with more deaths than us.If anything it was unfair for them, because we steamrolled them despite the 20mil rating difference.
    A few rare instances that people pull off a Win, do not negate the fact that people have been saying since the revert that these Matches are insane. There's nothing stopping them at all. 2, 3, 4 times the size. I've seen 1 Mil vs. 20 Mil. It's not a testament to it not being a problem.
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    ItsDamienItsDamien Posts: 5,626 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…

    No matter how much people keep making excuses, what people are bringing into the War affects what the other team comes up against. War Rating is a variable that can be manipulated. You can lose on purpose, you can take a hiatus, you can do many things to change it as a reflection of strength. You can't deny that the fire power both sides are bringing has an effect on the outcome. It's almost delusional the way people keep asserting War Rating is all that makes a difference.

    Now let's replace War Rating with Alliance Rating in your post.

    "No matter how much people keep making excuses, what people are bringing into the War affects what the other team comes up against. Alliance Rating is a variable that can be manipulated. You can lose on purpose, you can take a hiatus, you can do many things to change it as a reflection of strength. You can't deny that the fire power both sides are bringing has an effect on the outcome. It's almost delusional the way people keep asserting Alliance Rating is all that makes a difference."

    Hell you can replace that with Prestige. I could Rank up a bunch of high prestige champs (Sig 20 R3 Gambit has huge prestige all things considered) and still have no good champs for attack or defense.

    Every other variable in the game can be manipulated to benefit the player and alliances. The WAR rating is the only thing that should matter in WAR, as much as PRESTIGE only really matters for AQ.
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    Mr_PlatypusMr_Platypus Posts: 2,779 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…

    People still justifying forcing others to bring a knife to a gun fight. Lol. Never ends.

    Well can’t be that hard when my alliance pulled it off.
    The big scary 55mil alliance were trash and had 5 deaths within their first 10 fights, they also didn’t even try to explore lanes 4-9 and still ended up with more deaths than us.If anything it was unfair for them, because we steamrolled them despite the 20mil rating difference.
    A few rare instances that people pull off a Win, do not negate the fact that people have been saying since the revert that these Matches are insane. There's nothing stopping them at all. 2, 3, 4 times the size. I've seen 1 Mil vs. 20 Mil. It's not a testament to it not being a problem.
    It’s not rare that a win occurs though, this is just the example from this season.
    It’s just people wanting to blame their poor planning and skills on anything but themselves and you just encourage it because that’s the unpopular opinion.
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    GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 36,248 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…
    ItsDamien said:

    No matter how much people keep making excuses, what people are bringing into the War affects what the other team comes up against. War Rating is a variable that can be manipulated. You can lose on purpose, you can take a hiatus, you can do many things to change it as a reflection of strength. You can't deny that the fire power both sides are bringing has an effect on the outcome. It's almost delusional the way people keep asserting War Rating is all that makes a difference.

    Now let's replace War Rating with Alliance Rating in your post.

    "No matter how much people keep making excuses, what people are bringing into the War affects what the other team comes up against. Alliance Rating is a variable that can be manipulated. You can lose on purpose, you can take a hiatus, you can do many things to change it as a reflection of strength. You can't deny that the fire power both sides are bringing has an effect on the outcome. It's almost delusional the way people keep asserting Alliance Rating is all that makes a difference."

    Hell you can replace that with Prestige. I could Rank up a bunch of high prestige champs (Sig 20 R3 Gambit has huge prestige all things considered) and still have no good champs for attack or defense.

    Every other variable in the game can be manipulated to benefit the player and alliances. The WAR rating is the only thing that should matter in WAR, as much as PRESTIGE only really matters for AQ.
    That's just an attempt to divert the issue. You think if a 5 Mil comes up against a 30 Mil, the Alliance Ratings don't matter? Seriously. What game are people playing, and from what perspective? Just because some people can navigate the board like a Zipper Ride doesn't mean that's an expectation that applies to Players at other points in the game.
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    Mobile_P0tat0Mobile_P0tat0 Posts: 966 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…
    Alliance Rating is a terrible thing to base matchmaking on. You are vastly underestimating the amount of beached whales in this game. I've seen someone with 13k+ prestige triple KO in section 1 of map 6 with 3 R3 champs (domino, aegon, corvus).
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    Mr_PlatypusMr_Platypus Posts: 2,779 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…
    edited March 2021

    Alliance Rating is a terrible thing to base matchmaking on. You are vastly underestimating the amount of beached whales in this game. I've seen someone with 13k+ prestige triple KO in section 1 of map 6 with 3 R3 champs (domino, aegon, corvus).

    Pretty much, the highest rated player in my alliance is just a massive whale that uses 5+ revives on single uncollected EQ lanes at times with full 6* r2/maxed 5* teams.
    Genuinely a good day when that person is capable of clearing their 3-4 AW fights with less than 2 deaths.
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    TitoBandito187TitoBandito187 Posts: 2,072 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…

    ItsDamien said:

    No matter how much people keep making excuses, what people are bringing into the War affects what the other team comes up against. War Rating is a variable that can be manipulated. You can lose on purpose, you can take a hiatus, you can do many things to change it as a reflection of strength. You can't deny that the fire power both sides are bringing has an effect on the outcome. It's almost delusional the way people keep asserting War Rating is all that makes a difference.

    Now let's replace War Rating with Alliance Rating in your post.

    "No matter how much people keep making excuses, what people are bringing into the War affects what the other team comes up against. Alliance Rating is a variable that can be manipulated. You can lose on purpose, you can take a hiatus, you can do many things to change it as a reflection of strength. You can't deny that the fire power both sides are bringing has an effect on the outcome. It's almost delusional the way people keep asserting Alliance Rating is all that makes a difference."

    Hell you can replace that with Prestige. I could Rank up a bunch of high prestige champs (Sig 20 R3 Gambit has huge prestige all things considered) and still have no good champs for attack or defense.

    Every other variable in the game can be manipulated to benefit the player and alliances. The WAR rating is the only thing that should matter in WAR, as much as PRESTIGE only really matters for AQ.
    That's just an attempt to divert the issue. You think if a 5 Mil comes up against a 30 Mil, the Alliance Ratings don't matter? Seriously. What game are people playing, and from what perspective? Just because some people can navigate the board like a Zipper Ride doesn't mean that's an expectation that applies to Players at other points in the game.
    No, not in 1-2 bg wars. Lots of allies have stacked players in their top 10 and have baby accounts rounding them out. If they are fighting 1 bg war with stacked accounts, then they can take advantage of the system under what you perceive to be a fair matching system.

    And as others stated, why should that 5m ally get an easier time and better rewards than two 40m allies who are duking it out against harder opponents with more developed rosters?

    You are fixated on one aspect of many and that's why your argument falls to pieces.
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    AddyosAddyos Posts: 1,090 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…
    edited March 2021
    HI_guys said:
    Why did you have to go there?
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    AddyosAddyos Posts: 1,090 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…

    People still justifying forcing others to bring a knife to a gun fight. Lol. Never ends.

    And then there's that one guy, who, the one time in his life doesn't agree with something Kabam does, brings...

    Oh, I'm not whining. I'm just dumbfounded at the lack of logic behind the argument. "It's fair cuz fair is unfair cuz War Rating says so."
    Mkay.
    I literally gave you a real world scenario of a 12m ally who beat my 40m ally.

    But, I too am dumb founded that you still think it was ok for 40m allies to never be able to move up in the old system, and be behind 10m allies who were getting much better rewards when they didn't deserve it.

    Of the 2 options, this is by far the better scrnario. Scrubs shouldn't get better rewards just because they're scrubs and giants shouldn't lose out on rewards just for being giants. That was the case all the time under the old ranking. The lopsided alliance rating that happens occasionally now is because people can move up and down, but doesn't mean that just because an ally is smaller, they have no chance of winning.
    You’re using facts and logic against those who are immune to things like that. Stop it.
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    Panchulon21Panchulon21 Posts: 2,605 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…
    Looks even to me. Very close war rating
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