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  • Joker1976Joker1976 Member Posts: 1,000 ★★★★
    Wouldn’t agree that he has zero utility,..I just don’t like how his most important utility is set up. Web foam to stop the evade on 4th light hit almost any evade defender,…wait for it….evades lol. I find this counterproductive and limiting,..have to wait for a sp2 on evaders …Smh ….nah I just went with kingpin over my stealthy for my 6* r 2 choice .

    Better utility and way more durable .
  • Joker1976Joker1976 Member Posts: 1,000 ★★★★
    I don’t agree that he has zero utility. It’s just don’t like how his most important utility is set up. Web foam to stop the evade on the 4th light hit and against almost any evader …wait for it …they evade lol,.:either on the fourth or before that.

    Have to wait for a sp2 to activate the foam against a evade defender??? Smh
    Nah I just chose to r2 my 6* kingpin over my 6* stealthy…better utility and way more durable .
  • SkyLord7000SkyLord7000 Member Posts: 4,027 ★★★★★
    Alright after waking up to 20+ posts and reading all your feedback I’d like to go back and explore V5/V7.

    As for 7.2, I haven’t fully explored this either but I did do the aspect of war path in 7.2.3 with safe guard, buffet, and spectre and Elsa couldn’t have been better for it (less/no block damage, parry unblockable, busted debuffs ignore safeguard, buff on sp1 = 10% damage to the opponent) I don’t think stealthy would have been better for that path.

    As for other lower content (EQ, SQ, ECT.), Elsa at rank 3 output a ton more burst damage faster. Overall looking forward to use him in variants. :)
  • Joker1976Joker1976 Member Posts: 1,000 ★★★★
    Sorry for the double post,..thought my first didn’t go through lol.
  • HoitadoHoitado Member Posts: 3,788 ★★★★★
    edited June 2021
    SkyLord7000 said:

    DawsMan said:

    SkyLord7000 said:

    Pratham02 said:

    I was about to take this post seriously until I read zero utility, now I'm just going to assume this is a joke.

    What utility does he have? Just to confirm, not a joke.
    I agree with you that he isn't great, but no utility is hilarious. One prefight is a slow that covers unstoppable, evade, and miss. One increases your critical rating, and another decreases opponent's combat power rate. That is utility.
    What are his top 10 best nodes/champs he counters? I really wanna bring him in for content. His utility is obvious, but is it practical?

    You say Stealthy has ZERO Utility AS YOU HAVE AN ELSA Pfp

    Now we know you’re Definitely trolling
  • MrInsanityMrInsanity Member Posts: 1,539 ★★★★
    Hoitado said:

    SkyLord7000 said:

    DawsMan said:

    SkyLord7000 said:

    Pratham02 said:

    I was about to take this post seriously until I read zero utility, now I'm just going to assume this is a joke.

    What utility does he have? Just to confirm, not a joke.
    I agree with you that he isn't great, but no utility is hilarious. One prefight is a slow that covers unstoppable, evade, and miss. One increases your critical rating, and another decreases opponent's combat power rate. That is utility.
    What are his top 10 best nodes/champs he counters? I really wanna bring him in for content. His utility is obvious, but is it practical?

    You say Stealthy has ZERO Utility AS YOU HAVE AN ELSA Pfp

    Now we know you’re Definitely trolling
    Alright I won't comment on anybody being a new champion since I have a Purgatory pfp my bad bruv
  • SkyLord7000SkyLord7000 Member Posts: 4,027 ★★★★★
    Hoitado said:

    SkyLord7000 said:

    DawsMan said:

    SkyLord7000 said:

    Pratham02 said:

    I was about to take this post seriously until I read zero utility, now I'm just going to assume this is a joke.

    What utility does he have? Just to confirm, not a joke.
    I agree with you that he isn't great, but no utility is hilarious. One prefight is a slow that covers unstoppable, evade, and miss. One increases your critical rating, and another decreases opponent's combat power rate. That is utility.
    What are his top 10 best nodes/champs he counters? I really wanna bring him in for content. His utility is obvious, but is it practical?

    You say Stealthy has ZERO Utility AS YOU HAVE AN ELSA Pfp

    Now we know you’re Definitely trolling
    What? Elsa has more utility then stealthy.

    Elsa’s Utility:

    1. High Crit Rate
    2. Evade Counter
    3. Can create intercepts without intercepting (budget ghost ability)
    4. High amounts of debuffs
    5. Busted Debuffs ignore damage resistance/reduction
    6. Not many champs are immune to her

    Stealthy’s Utility:

    1. High Crit Rate
    2. Unstoppable/Miss/Evade counter (isn’t a great evade counter tho)(lowers his damage)
    3. Has backup evade (not helpful cause he has such low health it’s not worth banking on)(not a great survival ability

    Has just had more... :|
  • Agent_X_zzzAgent_X_zzz Member Posts: 4,498 ★★★★★
    Good one
  • SkyLord7000SkyLord7000 Member Posts: 4,027 ★★★★★
    Masterpuff said:

    SkyLord7000 said:

    Masterpuff said:

    — an elsa simp

    Elsa > Stealthy

    #FactsDoh
    Um wut

    #nobrainsjustvibes
    #VibesBrains&Trains
  • SkyLord7000SkyLord7000 Member Posts: 4,027 ★★★★★
    edited June 2021
    Hoitado said:

    If Stealthy is better than Elsa than Karnak is Better than Mole Man

    You’re right
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  • MrInsanityMrInsanity Member Posts: 1,539 ★★★★
    Hoitado said:

    If Elsa is better than Stealthy than Karnak is Better than Mole Man

    Wrong then
  • GoddessIliasGoddessIlias Member Posts: 706 ★★★★
    edited June 2021
    SkyLord7000 said:

    Hoitado said:

    SkyLord7000 said:

    DawsMan said:

    SkyLord7000 said:

    Pratham02 said:

    I was about to take this post seriously until I read zero utility, now I'm just going to assume this is a joke.

    What utility does he have? Just to confirm, not a joke.
    I agree with you that he isn't great, but no utility is hilarious. One prefight is a slow that covers unstoppable, evade, and miss. One increases your critical rating, and another decreases opponent's combat power rate. That is utility.
    What are his top 10 best nodes/champs he counters? I really wanna bring him in for content. His utility is obvious, but is it practical?

    You say Stealthy has ZERO Utility AS YOU HAVE AN ELSA Pfp

    Now we know you’re Definitely trolling
    What? Elsa has more utility then stealthy.

    Elsa’s Utility:

    1. High Crit Rate
    2. Evade Counter
    3. Can create intercepts without intercepting (budget ghost ability)
    4. High amounts of debuffs
    5. Busted Debuffs ignore damage resistance/reduction
    6. Not many champs are immune to her

    Stealthy’s Utility:

    1. High Crit Rate
    2. Unstoppable/Miss/Evade counter (isn’t a great evade counter tho)(lowers his damage)
    3. Has backup evade (not helpful cause he has such low health it’s not worth banking on)(not a great survival ability

    Has just had more... :|
    Since when was high crit rate utility lol. People not being immune to busted/busted doing direct damage isn’t utility, that’s just damage that works against every matchup. “She can create openings without intercepting” just learn to intercept. I’m not even a stealth fan but you forgot his enervate, and Elsa’s debuff shrug which is an extremely odd thing to forget for someone with an r3 elsa, seeing as that’s literally her only real piece of utility beyond a bad evade counter.

    Elsa has one purpose in the game.

    A synergy champ for beast.

    Edit: Just wanted to say that Utility is overrated af. Having “insane utility” doesn’t matter if you have absolutely nothing for damage. (Maw, YJ)
  • SkyLord7000SkyLord7000 Member Posts: 4,027 ★★★★★
    Pokémonmastah said:

    SkyLord7000 said:

    Hoitado said:

    SkyLord7000 said:

    DawsMan said:

    SkyLord7000 said:

    Pratham02 said:

    I was about to take this post seriously until I read zero utility, now I'm just going to assume this is a joke.

    What utility does he have? Just to confirm, not a joke.
    I agree with you that he isn't great, but no utility is hilarious. One prefight is a slow that covers unstoppable, evade, and miss. One increases your critical rating, and another decreases opponent's combat power rate. That is utility.
    What are his top 10 best nodes/champs he counters? I really wanna bring him in for content. His utility is obvious, but is it practical?

    You say Stealthy has ZERO Utility AS YOU HAVE AN ELSA Pfp

    Now we know you’re Definitely trolling
    What? Elsa has more utility then stealthy.

    Elsa’s Utility:

    1. High Crit Rate
    2. Evade Counter
    3. Can create intercepts without intercepting (budget ghost ability)
    4. High amounts of debuffs
    5. Busted Debuffs ignore damage resistance/reduction
    6. Not many champs are immune to her

    Stealthy’s Utility:

    1. High Crit Rate
    2. Unstoppable/Miss/Evade counter (isn’t a great evade counter tho)(lowers his damage)
    3. Has backup evade (not helpful cause he has such low health it’s not worth banking on)(not a great survival ability

    Has just had more... :|
    Since when was high crit rate utility lol. People not being immune to busted/busted doing direct damage isn’t utility, that’s just damage that works against every matchup. “She can create openings without intercepting” just learn to intercept. I’m not even a stealth fan but you forgot his enervate, and Elsa’s debuff shrug which is an extremely odd thing to forget for someone with an r3 elsa, seeing as that’s literally her only real piece of utility beyond a bad evade counter.

    Elsa has one purpose in the game.

    A synergy champ for beast.
    Every person I’ve talked to about stealthy says his enervate is trash, they’d rather have the damage and you can’t have both in one fight. I don’t think I’ve seen one fight where someone prefers it.

    As for Elsa’s debuff shrug it more of a niche utility so I forgot about it. It helped a ton in one path in 7.2. Forgot which one though. Consider it added to the list.

    Also wanna mention that Elsa’s utility doesn’t come at the cost of her damage to the extent stealthy’s does. Wish people weren’t so blinded by tier lists :|
  • SkyLord7000SkyLord7000 Member Posts: 4,027 ★★★★★
    Pokémonmastah said:

    SkyLord7000 said:

    Hoitado said:

    SkyLord7000 said:

    DawsMan said:

    SkyLord7000 said:

    Pratham02 said:

    I was about to take this post seriously until I read zero utility, now I'm just going to assume this is a joke.

    What utility does he have? Just to confirm, not a joke.
    I agree with you that he isn't great, but no utility is hilarious. One prefight is a slow that covers unstoppable, evade, and miss. One increases your critical rating, and another decreases opponent's combat power rate. That is utility.
    What are his top 10 best nodes/champs he counters? I really wanna bring him in for content. His utility is obvious, but is it practical?

    You say Stealthy has ZERO Utility AS YOU HAVE AN ELSA Pfp

    Now we know you’re Definitely trolling
    What? Elsa has more utility then stealthy.

    Elsa’s Utility:

    1. High Crit Rate
    2. Evade Counter
    3. Can create intercepts without intercepting (budget ghost ability)
    4. High amounts of debuffs
    5. Busted Debuffs ignore damage resistance/reduction
    6. Not many champs are immune to her

    Stealthy’s Utility:

    1. High Crit Rate
    2. Unstoppable/Miss/Evade counter (isn’t a great evade counter tho)(lowers his damage)
    3. Has backup evade (not helpful cause he has such low health it’s not worth banking on)(not a great survival ability

    Has just had more... :|
    Edit: Just wanted to say that Utility is overrated af. Having “insane utility” doesn’t matter if you have absolutely nothing for damage. (Maw, YJ)
    Utility isn’t overrated at all. Damage isn’t either though. There needs to be a good ratio. One example of really high utility and low damage would be Quake in gauntlet. Does fights slow but does most of them reliably. I said stealthy’s damage is good and I know it gets better awakened and at r3 but right now it doesn’t compete to Elsa’s
  • MrInsanityMrInsanity Member Posts: 1,539 ★★★★
    SkyLord7000 said:

    Pokémonmastah said:

    SkyLord7000 said:

    Hoitado said:

    SkyLord7000 said:

    DawsMan said:

    SkyLord7000 said:

    Pratham02 said:

    I was about to take this post seriously until I read zero utility, now I'm just going to assume this is a joke.

    What utility does he have? Just to confirm, not a joke.
    I agree with you that he isn't great, but no utility is hilarious. One prefight is a slow that covers unstoppable, evade, and miss. One increases your critical rating, and another decreases opponent's combat power rate. That is utility.
    What are his top 10 best nodes/champs he counters? I really wanna bring him in for content. His utility is obvious, but is it practical?

    You say Stealthy has ZERO Utility AS YOU HAVE AN ELSA Pfp

    Now we know you’re Definitely trolling
    What? Elsa has more utility then stealthy.

    Elsa’s Utility:

    1. High Crit Rate
    2. Evade Counter
    3. Can create intercepts without intercepting (budget ghost ability)
    4. High amounts of debuffs
    5. Busted Debuffs ignore damage resistance/reduction
    6. Not many champs are immune to her

    Stealthy’s Utility:

    1. High Crit Rate
    2. Unstoppable/Miss/Evade counter (isn’t a great evade counter tho)(lowers his damage)
    3. Has backup evade (not helpful cause he has such low health it’s not worth banking on)(not a great survival ability

    Has just had more... :|
    Since when was high crit rate utility lol. People not being immune to busted/busted doing direct damage isn’t utility, that’s just damage that works against every matchup. “She can create openings without intercepting” just learn to intercept. I’m not even a stealth fan but you forgot his enervate, and Elsa’s debuff shrug which is an extremely odd thing to forget for someone with an r3 elsa, seeing as that’s literally her only real piece of utility beyond a bad evade counter.

    Elsa has one purpose in the game.

    A synergy champ for beast.
    Elsa’s debuff shrug blinded by tier lists :|
    Sorry SkyLord7000 but I don't want to put my trust in you.
  • Hammerbro_64Hammerbro_64 Member Posts: 7,463 ★★★★★
    edited June 2021
    Lemme fix that for you:
    Elsa’s Utility:

    1. High Crit Rate
    2. Evade Counter
    3. Can create intercepts without intercepting (for low skill players)

    “Honorable” Mentions:

    1. High amounts of debuffs (for all those science diss track cav nodes)
    2. Busted Debuffs ignore damage resistance/reduction (but so do bleeds so who cares)

    Stealthy’s Utility:

    1. High Crit Rate
    2. Unstoppable counter
    3. Miss counter
    4. Evade counter
    5. Has backup evade
    6. Enervate

    Hmmm seems to me one has more utility, and more relevant utility at that.
  • SkyLord7000SkyLord7000 Member Posts: 4,027 ★★★★★
    edited June 2021
    Hammerbro_64 said:

    I’d rather have unstoppable miss and evade counter than just an evade counter. Cause that’s all she has.

    Free intercepts are important, with the Nick evade synergy she then gains three life saves! Also counters nodes that give high resistance, such as physical/energy resist, safeguard, the node where you need prowess to do damage. Any node that needs debuffs on the opponent and her High Crit chance allows her to get around nodes that require it as well!

    Stun immune, unblockable, no problem!

    Disorient debuffs, I think not.

    All this +sweet animations
  • Joker1976Joker1976 Member Posts: 1,000 ★★★★
    …just think stealthy’s slow would be better if he could activate it after a heavy,..similar to Gwen. Only thing holding me back from r2ing mine,.,just can’t get past that 4th light Jazz and so the need to sp2 on evaders. But all those who like him how is…enjoy.
  • SkyLord7000SkyLord7000 Member Posts: 4,027 ★★★★★
    Lemme fix that for you:
    Hammerbro_64 said:


    Elsa’s Utility:

    2. Evade Counter
    3. Can create intercepts without intercepting (allows for more windows of opportunity)
    4. Nick-Quake synergy and three life saves/extra damage (has saved me more times then I can count)

    Honorable Mentions:

    1. High amounts of debuffs (for all those science diss track cav nodes)
    2. Busted Debuffs ignore damage resistance/reduction (bleeds dont Ignore reduction)
    3. Non-damaging debuff shrug
    4. High crit-rate
    5. Degens on bleed (only good for defense)

    Stealthy’s Utility:

    2. Unstoppable counter
    3. Miss counter

    Honorable mentions
    1. Evade counter
    2. Has backup evade
    3. Enervate (No-one uses)
    4. High crit-rate

    Hmmm seems to me one has more utility, and more relevant utility at that.
  • SkyLord7000SkyLord7000 Member Posts: 4,027 ★★★★★
    Hammerbro_64 said:

    Can create intercepts without intercepting (for low skill players)

    Why get the parry mastery at all? Just intercept, parrying is for low skilled players.

  • SkyLord7000SkyLord7000 Member Posts: 4,027 ★★★★★
    Agent_X_zzz said:

    SkyLord7000 said:

    Hammerbro_64 said:

    Can create intercepts without intercepting (for low skill players)

    Why get the parry mastery at all? Just intercept, parrying is for low skilled players.

    Now this is just nonsense
    That’s something we can agree on! Imagine being able to parry stun immune/unblockable!
  • SkyLord7000SkyLord7000 Member Posts: 4,027 ★★★★★
    Agent_X_zzz said:

    SkyLord7000 said:

    Agent_X_zzz said:

    SkyLord7000 said:

    Hammerbro_64 said:

    Can create intercepts without intercepting (for low skill players)

    Why get the parry mastery at all? Just intercept, parrying is for low skilled players.

    Now this is just nonsense
    That’s something we can agree on! Imagine being able to parry stun immune/unblockable!
    what r u talking about? anyone can parry stun immune (just wont stun the defender)
    Wordings a little scruffy:
    SkyLord7000 said:

    Agent_X_zzz said:

    SkyLord7000 said:

    Hammerbro_64 said:

    Can create intercepts without intercepting (for low skill players)

    Why get the parry mastery at all? Just intercept, parrying is for low skilled players.

    Now this is just nonsense
    That’s something we can agree on! Imagine being able to parry stun immune/unblockable!
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