Hercules truly is a hero

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  • BitterSteelBitterSteel Member Posts: 9,264 ★★★★★

    Ghost has high critical damage, but CGR has higher crits. Ghost has good power gain, but hyperions power gain is better. Ghost counters evade, but mole man counters it better. Ghost can have unblockable specials with wasp synergy, but nick fury can be unblockable at all times. Ghost can bypass DOT debuffs, but hercules and corvus can counter debuffs and passives. And her phase can be countered by AAR. She’s a jack of all trades, master of none, but considered the best tech champ.
    I’m afraid your argument is falling apart, Ghost? Jack of all trades, master of none? I’d never imagined someone could say that without a hint of irony.

    I don’t even know where to begin telling you you’re wrong.

    Her phases allowing for 0 block damage, means you can play her on 1% health for entire matches. Her massive damage, evade counter, crazy power gain, immunity to every single DOT in the game, phasing damage with hood synergy, on demand intercepts.

    So what if phase is affected by AAR, because it’s an ability that doesn’t trigger only at 0% health, it doesn’t matter in war. The whole point of that is that assassin turns off Hercules’ immortality, don’t use that as a reason why ghost’s phase makes her a jack of all trades

    Ghost is a master of almost all.

  • ChaosMax1012ChaosMax1012 Member Posts: 3,208 ★★★★★
    Ebony_Naw said:

    Debate implies informed opinions. If you have an informed opinion off of YouTube videos then I'm a chess master. Let's revisit in like a year when more people have him so that real data exists.
    Agreed. But im the videos I’ve seen just confirmed what i thought hunkules was capable of doing. Im not that foolish to watch a vid and say “thats the best cosmic champ in the game!”, but perhaps foolish since hes a newer champ and bound to be argued with.
  • BitterSteelBitterSteel Member Posts: 9,264 ★★★★★


    Im not that foolish to watch a vid and say “thats the best cosmic champ in the game!”,
    Ok, but…

    I’m going based off gameplay I have seen from him

    I truly think he is the best cosmic champion

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  • ChaosMax1012ChaosMax1012 Member Posts: 3,208 ★★★★★

    I’m afraid your argument is falling apart, Ghost? Jack of all trades, master of none? I’d never imagined someone could say that without a hint of irony.

    I don’t even know where to begin telling you you’re wrong.

    Her phases allowing for 0 block damage, means you can play her on 1% health for entire matches. Her massive damage, evade counter, crazy power gain, immunity to every single DOT in the game, phasing damage with hood synergy, on demand intercepts.

    So what if phase is affected by AAR, because it’s an ability that doesn’t trigger only at 0% health, it doesn’t matter in war. The whole point of that is that assassin turns off Hercules’ immortality, don’t use that as a reason why ghost’s phase makes her a jack of all trades

    Ghost is a master of almost all.

    Not only talking about assassins, and implying that ghosts’ phase can be countered by AAR in general. And your argument right there is flawed, i could use any champion, bait an intercept or keep hitting the opponents block until they gain a bar of power so i can avoid any and all block damage. Ghost just makes it easier because she is never blocking, and she can miss attacks. Hercules and corvus can also avoid all DOT at all times while immortal. She’s a jack of all trades, master of none, but great at everything she does, similar to hercules. But yeah obviously she’s way better than hercules.
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  • MiStaLovaMiStaLova Member Posts: 942 ★★★
    New chars is much better than Old. Classic spider man, Thor classic Hulk is Just noob than new Hercules loool
  • ChaosMax1012ChaosMax1012 Member Posts: 3,208 ★★★★★
    SlumpGod said:

    this is less of a debate and more of @ChaosMax1012 getting bodied but refusing to accept it💀

    That’s literally every debate my friend. Back and forth. He has great points, so do i.
  • ChaosMax1012ChaosMax1012 Member Posts: 3,208 ★★★★★
    SlumpGod said:

    Fixed it for you.
    Thanks. And your relevance in this debate is……. Ah nevermind.
  • ChaosMax1012ChaosMax1012 Member Posts: 3,208 ★★★★★
    Alright im fully expecting a DNA sized post counter. Dont do it to me @BitterSteel lol
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  • BitterSteelBitterSteel Member Posts: 9,264 ★★★★★

    And your argument right there is flawed, i could use any champion, bait an intercept or keep hitting the opponents block until they gain a bar of power so i can avoid any and all block damage. Ghost just makes it easier because she is never blocking, and she can miss attacks.
    My man what, is that seriously your argument against Ghost's phasing? That any champ can avoid block damage? Ghost can consistently and easily avoid block damage, you even admit yourself ghost "just makes it easier" as if that ignores the whole point of this, which is that ghost isn't a jack of all trades, she's actually the second best champ in the game.

    Ima leave this one be, because your arguments have consistently been false equivalencies, Herc has this and Corvus has this, Herc has this and CMM has this, therefore, Herc is the best. Or they've been based on pure conjecture, ghost is a jack of all trades because she does a lot. Othey've just been plainly false, Herc has the same damage based on CGR becauuuusee... we haven't seen his ramp up?

    Not to mention, you've created a thread claiming Herc is the best cosmic based on watching youtube videos and all this time you haven't actually stated one thing that Herc is actually best at. I'm satisfied I've done a pretty good job trying to prove my point, but I think there comes a point a debate goes round in circles.

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  • ChaosMax1012ChaosMax1012 Member Posts: 3,208 ★★★★★

    My man what, is that seriously your argument against Ghost's phasing? That any champ can avoid block damage? Ghost can consistently and easily avoid block damage, you even admit yourself ghost "just makes it easier" as if that ignores the whole point of this, which is that ghost isn't a jack of all trades, she's actually the second best champ in the game.

    Ima leave this one be, because your arguments have consistently been false equivalencies, Herc has this and Corvus has this, Herc has this and CMM has this, therefore, Herc is the best. Or they've been based on pure conjecture, ghost is a jack of all trades because she does a lot. Othey've just been plainly false, Herc has the same damage based on CGR becauuuusee... we haven't seen his ramp up?

    Not to mention, you've created a thread claiming Herc is the best cosmic based on watching youtube videos and all this time you haven't actually stated one thing that Herc is actually best at. I'm satisfied I've done a pretty good job trying to prove my point, but I think there comes a point a debate goes round in circles.

    The videos confirmed what i assumed he could do, and you’ve taken what I’ve said with no context to make it sound ridiculous. Hercules has indestructible and immortality. Cmm and corvus has that so he has to be better. No, i went into depth, in which you can check my previous posts. Ghost is a jack if all trades because of how much utility she has just from her one ability in phase, which is what im saying for hercules. His immortality allows him to bypass DOT debuffs and passives. Theres more to go with that but i see you’ve concluded your argument so I’ll leave it out. You definitely have a great point, maybe im biased and don’t know it, and maybe hercules isn’t as practical as i think he would be. Anyways thanks for the response. We will see in due time if hercules has what it takes. I think he can go the distance.
  • ChaosMax1012ChaosMax1012 Member Posts: 3,208 ★★★★★

    Ok, but…
    Also taken out of context. Btw
  • pseudosanepseudosane Member, Guardian Posts: 4,092 Guardian

    But you’re claiming he’s the best cosmic, and war attack was a point that was brought up for what he’s so good for, so what is he the best for if not war offence?

    We’ve established he’s not the best immortality, indestructible, or damage too. So what is he best at?
    exactly this.
    Just the fact he has it doesnt mean much.
    He is a fun champ with great damage and fun utility, but to proclaim he is the best.... it is a tall order.
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  • GoddessIliasGoddessIlias Member Posts: 706 ★★★★
    I mean if we’re being honest here thanos is the best cosmic and all other champs pale in comparison
  • ChaosMax1012ChaosMax1012 Member Posts: 3,208 ★★★★★

    I mean if we’re being honest here thanos is the best cosmic and all other champs pale in comparison

    ^
  • naikavonnaikavon Member Posts: 309 ★★★

    No context whatsoever. Why wouldn’t it trigger? Did you only use herc? What nodes/matchups? In war he’s stun immune, and the AI is already aggressive. His immortality is a safety net that also allows him to go unblockable as well. and his true sense on sp1 counters autoblock and miss. That’s great for war.
    Do you not own herc? Are you basing everything in your opinion on vids alone?

    Assassin.
  • ChaosMax1012ChaosMax1012 Member Posts: 3,208 ★★★★★
    naikavon said:

    Do you not own herc? Are you basing everything in your opinion on vids alone?

    Assassin.
    Interpret it as you please.
  • naikavonnaikavon Member Posts: 309 ★★★

    No context whatsoever. Why wouldn’t it trigger? Did you only use herc? What nodes/matchups? In war he’s stun immune, and the AI is already aggressive. His immortality is a safety net that also allows him to go unblockable as well. and his true sense on sp1 counters autoblock and miss. That’s great for war.
    Do you not own herc? Are you basing everything in your opinion on vids alone?

    Assassin.
  • naikavonnaikavon Member Posts: 309 ★★★

    Interpret it as you please.
    Sorry about this. Those were the comments eaten by the forums earlier. Disregard. We already discussed when I wrote a. New response.
  • ChaosMax1012ChaosMax1012 Member Posts: 3,208 ★★★★★


    I don’t agree with OP, but I’m sure this guy in my alliance does

    Rogue OP
  • Mobile_P0tat0Mobile_P0tat0 Member Posts: 966 ★★★★


    I don’t agree with OP, but I’m sure this guy in my alliance does

    That spooderman seems like a swell guy
  • GoddessIliasGoddessIlias Member Posts: 706 ★★★★

    That spooderman seems like a swell guy
    Y’know, our alliance could really use a potato 🥴
  • ChaosMax1012ChaosMax1012 Member Posts: 3,208 ★★★★★
    naikavon said:

    Sorry about this. Those were the comments eaten by the forums earlier. Disregard. We already discussed when I wrote a. New response.
    No worries
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