Mr. Negative - Heavy Chain Issue [Merged Thread]

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  • AverageDesiAverageDesi Member Posts: 5,260 ★★★★★

    I haven't tried it personally as that's not a playstyle I ever use with Negative. The other regular Negative player that brought it to my attention on Discord told me it was a timing issue when I asked if it was spacing or timing. I can't say for certain myself though
    checked videos after i commented. it's a timing issue. he holds his heavy for far too long. you were right in your assumption
  • AverageDesiAverageDesi Member Posts: 5,260 ★★★★★
    edited September 2021

    both literally say "cheat" and "trade for units". both are jokes. they could have not included either and it would have remained the same. just like blade. it does not specifiy how he ignores aarr immunity but he does and we have to take it like that
    or nick fury whose abilities clearly say that he replaces decoy with real nick. if that were true then heal block nodes and champs like peni parker or heal block debuffs should not work on him since he isn't actually healing. he should even be able to survive the collectors sp3 since he isnt actually there and it's just a decoy
  • WorknprogressWorknprogress Member Posts: 7,233 ★★★★★

    checked videos after i commented. it's a timing issue. he holds his heavy for far too long. you were right in your assumption
    Yeah I just watched myself. It definitely seems like timing to me so I wouldn't jump the gun and assume it's intentional at this point at all
  • WorknprogressWorknprogress Member Posts: 7,233 ★★★★★
    I'm guessing it has to do with recovery times from attacks and being attacked currently. I've been clipped throwing heavies with Torch in the corner against Wags while he's power locked a few times the last few weeks as well.
  • BitterSteelBitterSteel Member Posts: 9,264 ★★★★★

    both literally say "cheat" and "trade for units". both are jokes. they could have not included either and it would have remained the same. just like blade. it does not specifiy how he ignores aarr immunity but he does and we have to take it like that
    Nope, gwenmaster says the joke "She cheats" and then the ability "so she ignores armour".

    If your point held, then Yondu's would say "he steals armour" and then the ability "which he trades for X units". But it doesn't. There's a very clear difference.

    I'm not going to lie, I don't really feel like debating pretty clear semantics on champion abilities anymore. All these abilities are set out very well, I haven't seen anyone else take issue with them.
  • GrassKnucklesGrassKnuckles Member Posts: 1,962 ★★★★★
    Dang, I was legit about to rank 5 my 5* Mister Negative when level up started tomorrow. He would of been my 5th R5. This sucks cause now I rly am not sure if I should go through with it or wait for another science.
  • BitterSteelBitterSteel Member Posts: 9,264 ★★★★★

    or nick fury whose abilities clearly say that he replaces decoy with real nick. if that were true then heal block nodes and champs like peni parker or heal block debuffs should not work on him since he isn't actually healing. he should even be able to survive the collectors sp3 since he isnt actually there and it's just a decoy
    you need to stop applying logic to the game in this way, this is the same as saying iceman should be coldsnap immune. Ant man doesn't shrink, yondu doesn't steal units, namor doesn't get angry.

    Gwenmaster ignores immunites, because her abilities say so. Not because of any in-game logic.
  • Graves_3Graves_3 Member Posts: 1,732 ★★★★★

    Forgot about Bishop.
    Six star Nick fury and the act 7 fury icon?
  • GrassKnucklesGrassKnuckles Member Posts: 1,962 ★★★★★

    Definitely has to be fixed. Myself and others have taken him to rank 3 and to take away a vital part of his rotation is something that’s just wrong. Please fix this issue @Kabam Miike

    Welp I guess this is good to know since I was planning to R5 my 5* literally tomorrow.

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  • Bugmat78Bugmat78 Member Posts: 2,522 ★★★★★

    I'm guessing it has to do with recovery times from attacks and being attacked currently. I've been clipped throwing heavies with Torch in the corner against Wags while he's power locked a few times the last few weeks as well.

    Just to comment - though I have mr. negative at 6r2 I'm no veteran with him... but I did notice recently (past week really) that when I used his heavy to counter-evade that there were quite a few times negative was recovering so slowly from his own evade that I couldn't follow up and combo the defender. This wasn't happening 2 months ago when I just got him and was farming a lot with him in 5.3.6 but I took him into cav eq and arena and noticed that my heavy charge evade was almost neutered by the evader himself being unable to take advantage of the evade..

    Has anyone else noticed this with him and is it linked to the same heavy timing change that is preventing corner heavy spam?
  • BitterSteelBitterSteel Member Posts: 9,264 ★★★★★
    Bugmat78 said:

    Just to comment - though I have mr. negative at 6r2 I'm no veteran with him... but I did notice recently (past week really) that when I used his heavy to counter-evade that there were quite a few times negative was recovering so slowly from his own evade that I couldn't follow up and combo the defender. This wasn't happening 2 months ago when I just got him and was farming a lot with him in 5.3.6 but I took him into cav eq and arena and noticed that my heavy charge evade was almost neutered by the evader himself being unable to take advantage of the evade..

    Has anyone else noticed this with him and is it linked to the same heavy timing change that is preventing corner heavy spam?
    I use Negative daily and haven't found that at all, not saying it doesn't happen to you, but I have noticed the heavy spam issue.

    Perhaps it's a device framerate issue? As opposed to a game-wide one
  • Bugmat78Bugmat78 Member Posts: 2,522 ★★★★★

    I use Negative daily and haven't found that at all, not saying it doesn't happen to you, but I have noticed the heavy spam issue.

    Perhaps it's a device framerate issue? As opposed to a game-wide one
    I won't disagree - in the same way there is lag on some devices and not on others it could be. Might be the whole game engine thing is affecting my use of him. It's not something I noticed before but only recently when I picked him back up,
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 23,017 ★★★★★
    Graves_3 said:

    Six star Nick fury and the act 7 fury icon?
    They removed the act 7 "fury" for 6*'s icon only since it interacted with NF. It was a bug.
  • AverageDesiAverageDesi Member Posts: 5,260 ★★★★★

    you need to stop applying logic to the game in this way, this is the same as saying iceman should be coldsnap immune. Ant man doesn't shrink, yondu doesn't steal units, namor doesn't get angry.

    Gwenmaster ignores immunites, because her abilities say so. Not because of any in-game logic.
    what .. broo.. i'm not saying any of this should happen. i was responding to someone who said the reason she ignores armour break immunnity is because it is written she "cheats." i'm just these are flairs to make the character and their abilities more convincing and interesting is all. like how it says ant man shrinks is the reason he can glance attacks. he doesnt have to. but it's just some fun in the kit literature my point is the exact last sentence you wrote.

    she ignores armour break immunity because it says in her abilities
  • AverageDesiAverageDesi Member Posts: 5,260 ★★★★★

    I use Negative daily and haven't found that at all, not saying it doesn't happen to you, but I have noticed the heavy spam issue.

    Perhaps it's a device framerate issue? As opposed to a game-wide one
    possibly. cj

    They removed the act 7 "fury" for 6*'s icon only since it interacted with NF. It was a bug.
    they said the initial fury efect was a bug? or that they just changed it ?
  • AverageDesiAverageDesi Member Posts: 5,260 ★★★★★

    Archangel was definitely announced beforehand. Please excuse the quality, it’s a screenshot from BGs vid on 18.1


    what's that point below the white line you drew? any effect on this thread ?
  • TheBair123TheBair123 Member Posts: 5,344 ★★★★★
    i don't have too much to contribute to this, but i hope that it's fixed. i mean he was never op crazy like psycho man's infinite heavy spam was, it's just that mr negative's heavy is part of his kit
  • DualityCopeDualityCope Member Posts: 436 ★★★
    Kabam Boo said:

    Hi folks, thank you for your patience with this. Our team is aware and have looked into this. We will be looking into a fix for this in the next update. Meanwhile, we appreciate your continued patience and thank you in advance for your understanding.

    Bruh please close this post
  • TheBair123TheBair123 Member Posts: 5,344 ★★★★★

    Yay! He wasn’t nerf. I’m gonna still pull for him
    don't get your hopes up just yet. we could very well get a response tomorrow that says "i've check with the team, and no changes were made. he is currently working as intended."
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 23,017 ★★★★★

    don't get your hopes up just yet. we could very well get a response tomorrow that says "i've check with the team, and no changes were made. he is currently working as intended."
    Why? Why is this type of response needed? It just adds to all the other misinformation out there. Boo literally just said a fix is coming.
  • TheBair123TheBair123 Member Posts: 5,344 ★★★★★

    Why? Why is this type of response needed? It just adds to all the other misinformation out there. Boo literally just said a fix is coming.
    i'm literally just trying to say don't go saying "we need compensation" if we don't see a fix next month. people need ot be realistic that it's not going to be fixed in the next 10 minutes
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 23,017 ★★★★★

    i'm literally just trying to say don't go saying "we need compensation" if we don't see a fix next month. people need ot be realistic that it's not going to be fixed in the next 10 minutes
    That's not what you're saying. You're implying that they'll change their mind and keep him the way he is now. As in the whole AA stunning stun immune champs.
  • Bugmat78Bugmat78 Member Posts: 2,522 ★★★★★
    Kabam Boo said:

    Hi folks, thank you for your patience with this. Our team is aware and have looked into this. We will be looking into a fix for this in the next update. Meanwhile, we appreciate your continued patience and thank you in advance for your understanding.

    Glad to hear this! I really like the champ and glad he can be brought back to what he was.
  • KapKamot3KapKamot3 Member Posts: 28
    Kabam Boo said:

    Hi folks, thank you for your patience with this. Our team is aware and have looked into this. We will be looking into a fix for this in the next update. Meanwhile, we appreciate your continued patience and thank you in advance for your understanding.

    Great news!! I thought Im the only one. Was frustrated for a while coz i cannot heavy spam like what I see from yt gameplays. The heavy spam is really one of his impt kits to help ramp him up. Anyways im holding on to my r3 resources until he's fixed. Thanks Kabam Boo
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