No Abyss for Carinas Challenge Please

Welp this is a lot worse than expected ...

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if we see an objective like "complete a path of abyss only using 5* Thunderbolt champs," i think a lot of people will just ignore it. but if we see one like "complete a path of abyss only using 5* hero champs" it's completely different. there's just so much more leniency and lots of breathing room if you don't have the best option.

What? Most of the people who had already done the abyss used 5*s.....where is the challenge here??

AverageDesi

No challenge should be designed to be impossible to beat without reviving. That should be obvious at this point. I dont see how someone prefers these to be more p2w and "revive fest" rather than a real challenge than can be overcome without item usage.
You should stop using the word p2w when it doesn’t apply. If something can be done without paying it simply isn’t p2w
That's not how it works
What does P2W mean to you?

Anything you can spend money on 🙂

AverageDesi

if we see an objective like "complete a path of abyss only using 5* Thunderbolt champs," i think a lot of people will just ignore it. but if we see one like "complete a path of abyss only using 5* hero champs" it's completely different. there's just so much more leniency and lots of breathing room if you don't have the best option.
What? Most of the people who had already done the abyss used 5*s.....where is the challenge here??

It was a gist of how it could be

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GroundedWisdom

Using Items is inevitable at some point, if challenging content is to progress. Outside of that, the only avenue you have is extending Fights indefinitely, and that's more time-consuming than challenging.

Chikel

People out here worrying about an Abyss challenge while I'm much more worried about the content being restricted to those who have completed a run of Abyss.

I really hope they don't do that.

danielmath

What would people consider to be a real challenge that is ftp (basically it seems ftp means 0 items no matter what)?

DrDrill

Using Items is inevitable at some point, if challenging content is to progress. Outside of that, the only avenue you have is extending Fights indefinitely, and that's more time-consuming than challenging.

don't you have the collector to fight first before getting uncollected? or are you still stuck in act 4?
I'm not judging, just wondering :

GroundedWisdom

Using Items is inevitable at some point, if challenging content is to progress. Outside of that, the only avenue you have is extending Fights indefinitely, and that's more time-consuming than challenging.
don't you have the collector to fight first before getting uncollected? or are you still stuck in act 4?
I'm not judging, just wondering :

First off, you're off on that one.
Secondly, we're having a conversation about the amount of challenge you can add to the current state of the game given the limitations of the mechanics. What I've done really doesn't pertain to this discussion.
There are only so many ways you can offer challenge in this game.

VanillaCoke

People out here worrying about an Abyss challenge while I'm much more worried about the content being restricted to those who have completed a run of Abyss.

I really hope they don't do that.

They said it’s Thronebreakers. If you’re a Thronebreaker, you have access to the new Carina Challenges.

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OGAvenger

No challenge should be designed to be impossible to beat without reviving. That should be obvious at this point. I dont see how someone prefers these to be more p2w and "revive fest" rather than a real challenge than can be overcome without item usage.
You should stop using the word p2w when it doesn’t apply. If something can be done without paying it simply isn’t p2w
That's not how it works
What does P2W mean to you?

Anything others can obtain easier than he can. Whether that be through money or skill

TheBair123

if we see an objective like "complete a path of abyss only using 5* Thunderbolt champs," i think a lot of people will just ignore it. but if we see one like "complete a path of abyss only using 5* hero champs" it's completely different. there's just so much more leniency and lots of breathing room if you don't have the best option.
What? Most of the people who had already done the abyss used 5*s.....where is the challenge here??

that was just a very specific, and now that i'm looking at it again, bad example. my point was that if people are forced to use champs who just don't work or you just can't use, they just won't do the challenge. like the only reason the star-lord was half-doable was because he can ramp himself up. but if you have to do a whole abyss path with 6* groot there's not really anything you can do about that

xNig

But if it's pegged to Swedeah/Bero/MSD ability, then it will be called too hard, revive fest or outright impossible by 99.999999% of the player base. Even xNig would baulk at some of those and he's the one who claimed challenges should require selling a kidney or similar organ 🙄🤣

I didn’t say that!

What I said is, a challenge should be, in theory, solo-able. Whether or not it is practical, it’s a different story.

The moment a challenge becomes theoretically unsoloable, like LoL/AoL with 4*s, it starts to be a revive fest. (If they remove the hit counter it’ll be a different story)

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SirGamesBond

Let's take Carinas V1 for example.
If all these resources(not consider the fighting aspect) are available just flat out as cash offers, I wouldn't even consider to look at them. Hell I don't even read the mail which links to units store. The only time I open the unit store is when I miss touch it due to lag or by mistake.

I see these objective with big rewards as great avenues, for I as a F2P is now given a chance to get them by grinding items or using units. They are part of permanent content. So they arnt paywall gated.

We get offers with huge items quiet frequently, and Whales will buy it anyways, but with these challanges atleast we f2p have a chance to get something good without spending a single dollar.

Gauntlet was a rewarding content for its time right! From a pool of 10,000 players, what was the percent of players who cleared it with 0 revives.

Defeating collector with Cyclops and fighting maestro with Starlord weren't fun. But I and many did them for rewards. Same way I do arena and explore master,UC,cav evdry month. They aren't fun either, just an evenue to dump energy and getting units in case of arenas.

I always had fun in special quests, story and variants. It's sad to see how less frequent the celebrity challenges have become. Last one was Shang chi. They aren't cominv like they used to.

I don't care what p2w players are buying, Gaming industry is built on p2w aspect, I only care what I have access to as a f2p. So I'm chuffed about content and the rewards, easy or revive fest, I'll do it. Today, tomorrow or in year 2099.

Real_Madrid_76_2

One of the challenges shapes like use 4 stars in act 6 chapter 4 all fights

Eb0ny-O-M4w

One of the challenges shapes like use 4 stars in act 6 chapter 4 all fights

That's literally impossible to be done

Syndicated

One of the challenges shapes like use 4 stars in act 6 chapter 4 all fights

4 stars are locked to use in act 6-7

StevieManWonder

One of the challenges shapes like use 4 stars in act 6 chapter 4 all fights
That's literally impossible to be done

Eh, I'm sure that they have the technology to unlock it. I'd personally love a CC that requires us to beat the 6.2.6 Champion with only four stars or likewise with the GM.

Malreck04

One of the challenges shapes like use 4 stars in act 6 chapter 4 all fights
That's literally impossible to be done
Eh, I'm sure that they have the technology to unlock it. I'd personally love a CC that requires us to beat the 6.2.6 Champion with only four stars or likewise with the GM.

Wouldn’t be that hard would it? Run through the path with aegon, use Diablo or doom to get him low then cap iw for last phase

LeNoirFaineant

But if it's pegged to Swedeah/Bero/MSD ability, then it will be called too hard, revive fest or outright impossible by 99.999999% of the player base. Even xNig would baulk at some of those and he's the one who claimed challenges should require selling a kidney or similar organ 🙄🤣
I didn’t say that!

What I said is, a challenge should be, in theory, solo-able. Whether or not it is practical, it’s a different story.

The moment a challenge becomes theoretically unsoloable, like LoL/AoL with 4*s, it starts to be a revive fest. (If they remove the hit counter it’ll be a different story)

I agree with this. Even if only 1% of the player base have the skill to solo it I'm fine with it. It can be done even if I don't have the skill to do it. When it is literally impossible to solo I find it less interesting. When the fight isn't really skill based at all and the only challenge is how many revives I've farmed I find it even less interesting. It doesn't make it PTW, a money grab, or a slap in the face. It's just boring content I don't like and it isn't really a challenge.

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Uvogin

Lmao that prof Hoff video where he actually thinks he has real data mined info on the new carina challenges is actually so funny. He actually thinks the really really really obvious joke post with almost impossible challenges is real. There is no way anyone with even half a brain cell would read the first challenge on the post which is complete abyss with 4 star gambit and 4 star joe fixit and think it was real

Not to mention doing 2 seconds of research can find you this.

You’d have thought a journalist would feel they have a duty to check their facts before misinforming the community.

This is why I have an issue with Prof Hoff. I don’t like or dislike the guy himself, but he pumps misinformation and conspiracy theories out to the community like it’s going out of fashion.

He has a responsibility to check his information and he completely ignores it for views.

He doesn't even take down the videos once people point out he's wrong, so quite clearly all he cares about is views.

Moosetiptronic

@xNig 😉 pretty sure it was a kidney or your soul, one of the two!

Agree though on having a real, permanent, ideally rotating, crazy degree of challenge. Even one that only has bragging rights/unique titles if they don't want rewards to unbalance the top of the game.

No energy, one tile moves, maybe even modok hotel random buffs, so you could actually get a nearly impossible one. That's got to be relatively easy to recode.

xNig

@xNig 😉 pretty sure it was a kidney or your soul, one of the two!

Agree though on having a real, permanent, ideally rotating, crazy degree of challenge. Even one that only has bragging rights/unique titles if they don't want rewards to unbalance the top of the game.

No energy, one tile moves, maybe even modok hotel random buffs, so you could actually get a nearly impossible one. That's got to be relatively easy to recode.

😂😂

Adding rng to a challenge is not a good idea imo.

Rohit_316

Let'ssss gooooo 😎😎😎😎

Eb0ny-O-M4w

Well, they don't seem that bad.

The mutant one is quite manageable with champs as Apoc, Prof X, Stryfe, etc.
The one to defeat Green Goblin, guess we just have to deal the final hit with the required champion. EDIT - Nevermind we need a full team up until him, at least we don't need to fully do the path.
And the "Carina Challenger's" one is interesting, I guess. Some champions might work great there