Business-wise this makes sense for Kabam. They need to entice players to spend money. Some folks don’t want to hear it, but Kabam needs to make money or this game goes away.
These offers are certainly enticing. But post-July 4 Paragon deals, I am not surprised. Personally I applaud Kabam for in general getting more generous with rewards, which are virtual doodads they can create endlessly.
A lot of players , like me, are just here to have fun playing with comic book characters, and we ignore high tier AW because we don’t want the hassle. We like to collect and rank up champs, and likely our existence in MCOC barely registers for the top level of players. So if I get rank 4 my Doom bc of this new crystal, you’ll almost certainly never even know it happened.
They might make short term sense but long term it will result in less players willing to spend because they can’t spend £35/week on the game and it’ll cease to be fun. Those who can are the top 30 or so alliances which won’t cover the shortfall.
This game runs on the illusion that minimal spenders can keep up with the whales and this totally shatters that illusion.
Great offer. Terrible for the free to play or even those who don’t spend heavy. I can see a boost coming up for all tiers though.
I personally won’t buy these to grow my roster.
This is what never ceases to puzzle me. Anything offered for money is seen as an insult to F2P. There is no competition. People who pay will get what people who don't pay won't get. That's a fact. The sooner people stop taking Offers personally, the sooner they can enjoy focusing on their own Accounts instead of resenting people for spending on the game.
AW season rewards need to be boosted now. These daily offers make it so demoralising to push high in War.
If you can buy a whole AW seasons worth of items for £35 and keep buying it over and over, it kinda devalues doing war. Why bother when you can just buy more than the rewards?
I don’t think it’s a good offer to keep permanently. If it was one off, sure, but not constantly.
Buff AW rewards because this shouldn’t be a game where you can consistently get more than the highest skill mode rewards, for just £35.
My suspicion is that AW rewards are going to be buffed in the medium term, probably to continue the resource acceleration curve across all game modes. However, setting that aside, I think this is not an entirely fair comparison, or rather this doesn't account for what the game developers must account for.
First, setting aside the entire debate about whether top tier war "requires" spending, the rewards in AW are for gameplay, while the rewards in the offer are essentially for spending. All things being equal spending *sometimes* has a severe disadvantage and *sometimes* has a big advantage, depending on the offer. In other words, sometimes cash offers are intended to be low value, designed to generate as much revenue as possible while giving away as little stuff as possible, to keep the gap between spenders and non-spenders as close as reasonably possible while still offering spenders some nominal value. And sometimes the reverse is true, when the intent of the offer is to directly encourage and reward spending, because sometimes spenders need to have big wins for their cash. Things like the J4 and CW sales, for example. In this case, this seems to be an enticement offer, not a more normal pedestrian "milk the whales" offer. So its value needs to be judged in that light. It should be higher than normal, to do what it is intended to do.
Second, unless I'm mistaken, that is the Paragon version of the offer. So this offer is not just being made to anyone willing to spend. It is gated behind Paragon. And whether players agree or not, the game currently takes the position that Paragon is a significant high tier accomplishment, different from but analogous to achieving high tier in AQ or high bracket in war. So you would expect the resources available to Paragon players to slowly rise over time to be at least competitive with the resources available from other high tier accomplishments, like top tier war, high tier AQ, or completing top tier content.
And finally, there's probably a lot of overlap between Paragon players and top tier war players. So for that segment of the player population, if the rewards in the offer were dwarfed by the rewards they were already getting from gameplay, that would make those offers seem entirely uninteresting. Conversely, if the rewards in the offer dwarfed the rewards they were getting from game play, that would make gameplay seem pointless. So when targeting the top progression tier of players that also participate in the highest tiers of competitive and cooperative play, there's a further constraint on the rewards available via offers compared to the rewards achievable in the game. And again, whether the players agree or not, Kabam sees the Paragon title and top tier gameplay has having very large overlap, so this segment of the player population would have to be on their minds when they design offers like this.
Because of these three factors, I'm not surprised we see some overlap between the best cash offers Paragon players can spend cash to get, and the best in-game rewards available for top tier in-game accomplishments. There's going to be overlap between these two, especially because they are adjusted on different schedules.
Maybe I’m being naive here, but everyone is talking about imbalance when it comes to AW. I don’t do war, so I legitimately don’t know, but just about everyone’s comments here indicate it somehow makes you less inclined to push in war. Why? Keep doing what you are doing in war AND get these offers on top. You’re basically doubling your rewards/progression at that point. Am I missing something?
Maybe I’m being naive here, but everyone is talking about imbalance when it comes to AW. I don’t do war, so I legitimately don’t know, but just about everyone’s comments here indicate it somehow makes you less inclined to push in war. Why? Keep doing what you are doing in war AND get these offers on top. You’re basically doubling your rewards/progression at that point. Am I missing something?
I’d agree with you if it wasn’t that you’re basically putting on the same level people with actual skills, who organise strategy in game with someone who just pays 35$ a week. That’s where the community I think it’s a bit on the fence with the offers, personally I’ve seen too many people around with great profiles all R3/R4 top tier champs with no ability to play at all.
Maybe I’m being naive here, but everyone is talking about imbalance when it comes to AW. I don’t do war, so I legitimately don’t know, but just about everyone’s comments here indicate it somehow makes you less inclined to push in war. Why? Keep doing what you are doing in war AND get these offers on top. You’re basically doubling your rewards/progression at that point. Am I missing something?
nope you're just about right as was @DNA3000 .... neither has anything to do with the other really. also like @GroundedWisdom said, this really shouldn't be a thing every time a paid offer comes. was there this much uproar when July 4th deals came? did anyone throw the disparity of war rewards out there and ask for war reward buffs ?
so nope, you're spot on mate ... there's really nothing wrong with these offers at all imo.
Maybe I’m being naive here, but everyone is talking about imbalance when it comes to AW. I don’t do war, so I legitimately don’t know, but just about everyone’s comments here indicate it somehow makes you less inclined to push in war. Why? Keep doing what you are doing in war AND get these offers on top. You’re basically doubling your rewards/progression at that point. Am I missing something?
The point is that top 10 in AW means you’re one of the top 10 alliances in the game at war. As a member of a masters alliance I can tell you just how good consistent masters level alliances, and how much effort goes into planning and the execution of wars to place that highly. I find it a bit demeaning that for a month’s hard work - our planners take hours out of their evening to finesse the plan, talk with members to ensure we all understand what the plan means for us - that you can simply buy these rewards in a week.
One of the expected benefits of being in this elite is that you are rewarded as such, or at the very least, the rewards are giving out resources that you can’t easily obtain elsewhere. This has been undone on 2 fronts now - currently there’s nearly double the R4 materials from EQ and SQ than top 20 AW, and now you can just drop £35 a week for even more.
Being competitive can only carry a game mode so far.
The issue, in a nutshell, is that hours of playing/planning/fighting, over a WHOLE month is devalued to 35$. This is an entire gamemode that takes real units/money to play, devalued to 35$.
if Y'all cannot understand that, too bad. They negated an entire gamemode with this offer.
The issue, in a nutshell, is that hours of playing/planning/fighting, over a WHOLE month is devalued to 35$. This is an entire gamemode that takes real units/money to play, devalued to 35$.
if Y'all cannot understand that, too bad. They negated an entire gamemode with this offer.
If the entire month of War was played with the sole Reward of those Frags, you may be close. Barring the people who actually play because they enjoy it. However, there are Rewards along the way, and much more is included than just the Frags.
The issue, in a nutshell, is that hours of playing/planning/fighting, over a WHOLE month is devalued to 35$. This is an entire gamemode that takes real units/money to play, devalued to 35$.
if Y'all cannot understand that, too bad. They negated an entire gamemode with this offer.
If the entire month of War was played with the sole Reward of those Frags, you may be close. Barring the people who actually play because they enjoy it. However, there are Rewards along the way, and much more is included than just the Frags.
Not enough to ‘revalue’ the rewards though. If you’re in a T1 alliance and go 12-0 which only GT40 are doing, you’re getting ~10k 5* and ~4K 6* shards along the way and then the blob of season rewards at the end which most felt weren’t exactly stellar in the first place.
The issue, in a nutshell, is that hours of playing/planning/fighting, over a WHOLE month is devalued to 35$. This is an entire gamemode that takes real units/money to play, devalued to 35$.
if Y'all cannot understand that, too bad. They negated an entire gamemode with this offer.
If the entire month of War was played with the sole Reward of those Frags, you may be close. Barring the people who actually play because they enjoy it. However, there are Rewards along the way, and much more is included than just the Frags.
The issue, in a nutshell, is that hours of playing/planning/fighting, over a WHOLE month is devalued to 35$. This is an entire gamemode that takes real units/money to play, devalued to 35$.
if Y'all cannot understand that, too bad. They negated an entire gamemode with this offer.
To be fair, AW rewards haven't been good in years when you compare effort to return. That's why the only people that push it are the ultra competitive who just want to be competitive for the sake of it. These offers don't really change that. People who spend a lot are already much farther along than those that don't and that's never going to change bc that's how they incentivize spending in games like this.
Am I saying they shouldn't bump rewards? Definitely not bc I already thought that way before these offers. Basically nothing has really changed. Just people overreacting about stuff being sold that they won't care about 3 months from now just like gifting.
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Should they of done this before the AW and AQ rewards .. maybe not but who are we to argue lol
This game runs on the illusion that minimal spenders can keep up with the whales and this totally shatters that illusion.
I personally won’t buy these to grow my roster.
The increasing amount of rewards in the pay category is in response to the devaluation of once sort after items.
So if devaluation is a problem when why aren't the rewards in the free modes going up at the same rate?
First, setting aside the entire debate about whether top tier war "requires" spending, the rewards in AW are for gameplay, while the rewards in the offer are essentially for spending. All things being equal spending *sometimes* has a severe disadvantage and *sometimes* has a big advantage, depending on the offer. In other words, sometimes cash offers are intended to be low value, designed to generate as much revenue as possible while giving away as little stuff as possible, to keep the gap between spenders and non-spenders as close as reasonably possible while still offering spenders some nominal value. And sometimes the reverse is true, when the intent of the offer is to directly encourage and reward spending, because sometimes spenders need to have big wins for their cash. Things like the J4 and CW sales, for example. In this case, this seems to be an enticement offer, not a more normal pedestrian "milk the whales" offer. So its value needs to be judged in that light. It should be higher than normal, to do what it is intended to do.
Second, unless I'm mistaken, that is the Paragon version of the offer. So this offer is not just being made to anyone willing to spend. It is gated behind Paragon. And whether players agree or not, the game currently takes the position that Paragon is a significant high tier accomplishment, different from but analogous to achieving high tier in AQ or high bracket in war. So you would expect the resources available to Paragon players to slowly rise over time to be at least competitive with the resources available from other high tier accomplishments, like top tier war, high tier AQ, or completing top tier content.
And finally, there's probably a lot of overlap between Paragon players and top tier war players. So for that segment of the player population, if the rewards in the offer were dwarfed by the rewards they were already getting from gameplay, that would make those offers seem entirely uninteresting. Conversely, if the rewards in the offer dwarfed the rewards they were getting from game play, that would make gameplay seem pointless. So when targeting the top progression tier of players that also participate in the highest tiers of competitive and cooperative play, there's a further constraint on the rewards available via offers compared to the rewards achievable in the game. And again, whether the players agree or not, Kabam sees the Paragon title and top tier gameplay has having very large overlap, so this segment of the player population would have to be on their minds when they design offers like this.
Because of these three factors, I'm not surprised we see some overlap between the best cash offers Paragon players can spend cash to get, and the best in-game rewards available for top tier in-game accomplishments. There's going to be overlap between these two, especially because they are adjusted on different schedules.
That’s where the community I think it’s a bit on the fence with the offers, personally I’ve seen too many people around with great profiles all R3/R4 top tier champs with no ability to play at all.
so nope, you're spot on mate ... there's really nothing wrong with these offers at all imo.
This is daily/weekly/monthly.
I’m not against it though. No rush and no such thing as “catch up”. Whales will always get there first, wherever “there” is.
One of the expected benefits of being in this elite is that you are rewarded as such, or at the very least, the rewards are giving out resources that you can’t easily obtain elsewhere. This has been undone on 2 fronts now - currently there’s nearly double the R4 materials from EQ and SQ than top 20 AW, and now you can just drop £35 a week for even more.
Being competitive can only carry a game mode so far.
if Y'all cannot understand that, too bad. They negated an entire gamemode with this offer.
However, there are Rewards along the way, and much more is included than just the Frags.
Am I saying they shouldn't bump rewards? Definitely not bc I already thought that way before these offers. Basically nothing has really changed. Just people overreacting about stuff being sold that they won't care about 3 months from now just like gifting.