The rank up ticket equates to 5 t4b 2 alphas and 3 t4c right? Just has to be used on a 4*. I really wanted t2a and 5* awakening snd shards so I am disappointed. However if I understand the rank up ticket correctly that's a pretty cool prize.
And why, at this point in the game, would another R5 4* matter? You don't need more of them if you are able to explore such difficult content. You need more 5* champions and sig stones. The rank up ticket is completely useless. Maybe a 5* rank up ticket would be worthwhile.
Simply put, if you're at a point in the game where you are able to explore this without spending tons of potions and revives, you aren't looking to R5 another 4* because it is likely that there isn't a 4* you even care to bring to R5. At this point it is just for the prestige. You care more about 5* champions at this point in the game, which Kabam has announced a focus toward, yet they refuse to put out reasonable 5* content for players to get as rewards
care to answer HOW is even possible that the rewards for completing a much much harder 5.2 are overall WORSE than 5.1.
I don't know if they are good enough for significantly enhanced difficulty, but they aren't worse.
5.2 vs 5.1 rewards, completion:
700 5* shards vs 400 5* shards
2x T4B vs 2x T4B
15 T4CC fragment crystals vs 10 T4CC fragment crystals
1500 4* shards vs 800 4* shards
160 units vs 130 units
5.2 vs 5.1 rewards, full explore
1200 5* shards vs 600 5* shards
1 T4CC crystal vs 1 T4CC crystal
30 T4CC fragment crystals vs 20 T4CC fragment crystals
15 4* signature stone crystals vs 10 4* signature stone crystals
270 units vs 240 units
5 generic 4* signature stones vs 1200 4* shards
4* rank up (rank 4 to rank 5) vs basic 4* awakening gem
In every respect that allows for an apples to apples comparison, the 5.2 rewards are significantly better in quantity than the 5.1 rewards. The qualitative difference is 5.2 has generic 4* signature stones while 5.1 has 4* shards, and 5.2 has the random rank up while 5.1 has the awakening gem. I think different people would value the 4* awaken and the 4* rank up differently - given a choice I would take the rank up, but I could see someone wanting the awakening gem more - but I don't think you could make the case that the difference is so high in favor of an awakening gem that it completely swamps the fact that the 5.2 rewards are larger or better in every other case.
Whether they are good enough for the increased difficulty is hard to say, because I don't know how much harder 5.2 is ultimately going to be. But they aren't literally worse.
You're a lunatic. Getting a champion to R5 is not difficult in any way. Just requires a month of AQ. Awakening a 4* is 100x more work and 100x more luck. With the expansion of 4* champions, it is ever harder to awaken a single champion. The only situation where a R5 ticket trumps a generic awakening gem is when you have every champion awakened that requires awakening to become useful. In that case, sure. But most people have at least a few champions they have been craving to awaken (dr voodoo, ghost rider, scarlet witch, starlord, iceman, .... etc).
These rewards a complete **** joke to the general community that is able to explore such difficult content. These rewards provide absolutely ZERO enhancement to the rosters of those who are exploring this. At this point, the player has all the 4* R5 they need.
Again no t2A and no t5b, content gets harder and harder but S.O.S for rewards. Very disapointing. Those of us strong enough to play this content need 5* shards and rank up materials for 5* champs, you can keep your 4* shards and 4* awakening gems.
@GroundedWisdom need you to come in and defend Kabam on these awful rewards
It's not my job to defend anything. People have been asking for more of Act 5. Now that it's coming, people are dissatisfied. It's par for the course on the Forum.
The Rewards aren't that horrible. They're not the same as Act Completion. The number one problem is expectations. That's why I don't get my hopes up about anything that isn't confirmed. Leaves less room to be upset when it's not what I expected.
They are capable of explaining themselves. My stance is I'm happy they're releasing more. That's what people have been asking for. No matter what they do, there will always be people not satisfied. That's about all I have to add.
The problem is that the rewards don't match what Kabam is preaching. They're preaching toward a 5* endgame focus yet providing 4* content that will become obsolete. At this point in the game, players don't care for more 4* content. It's like when you started getting 4* champions and 3* champions were obsolete. Exact same thing. This point in the game, players need more 5* champions and rewards because they have the R5 4*s that they need.
I'm happy on the announcement of more content. But the rewards a completely abysmal. They do not match the difficulty of the content and they do not match what Kabam is pushing towards.
You say no matter what they do, there will always be people not satisfied. This is a lie. If they announced extremely difficult content but provided generous rewards, people would not complain. If they stuck to their word, people would not complain. Read through the posts here and tell me how many people are legitimately satisfied with the rewards. Are there more dissatisfied customers than satisfied? If yes, then they are doing something wrong. It's that simple. There is minimal satisfaction among the community about these rewards.
These rewards ARE horrible for players who are actually exploring this content. You are in denial if you think otherwise. What is a R5 4* actually going to matter when you've explored this when you should focus on a 5* roster. What is FIVE 4* generic stones going to do for ANY champion?
The end-game content MUST focus on 5* rewards. It is stupid to think otherwise.
Is it also par for the course on reddit? What about youtube?
"Oh its just the players on the forums, reddit, youtube, and facebook. Everyone else is happy." LOL doesn't that sound delusional. We are representative of the general player base.
The rewards are a complete joke and I hope Kabam takes the time to read the comments and make some changes. It is clear that the community is dissatisfied with the rewards given the difficulty of the content. Nobody gives a single **** about 4* champions when you're strong enough to fully explore this content.
My recommendation:
Anything that says 4*, change to 5*, and then even increase the amounts
Increase 5* shards (maybe 5000 for exploration, MINIMUM. I still think it should be more considering this is going to be the hardest content released yet apart from LOL. Chapter 4 had better rewards than this and chapter 4 is not difficult)
Replace T4B with T2A
Kabam claims to shift focus on 5* champions. So make it happen. Quit beating around the bush and pretending that you want the community to look toward 5*s when you're only releasing 4* rewards. You want the community to think you're doing a good job? Then open your eyes and look at what we say. You guys have to pay exactly $0 to provide non-materialistic content that satisfies customers. Make it happen.
I think people need to compare act 4 and act 5 chapter rewards. The act 4 chapter rewards are almost nothing
act 4 = act 5 now huh? People rlly need to lift their heads out of their... not gonna finish but if you want to compare I suggest comparing it to rtll instead. And this is supposed to be more challenging than that.
The chapter rewards in acts are nothing compared to the final rewards. Look at Act 1 to 4. The final rewards are always much better. I don't see why act 5 should be any different. The difficulty increase is big yes, but so is the increase in rewards from act four chapter rewards to act five chapter rewards.
People are acting as though each chapter is an entire act and seem to be forgetting about the final rewards. If each chapter reward was a lot better then it would just take away from the final exploration reward.
Look at act 4. Compare the difficulty of chapters 1 and 2. Not much difference. Therefore the rewards aren't much different.
Act 5 is completely a different story. Chapter 2 will be harder that rttl. Please think about this.
Rewards must be commensurate with difficulty.
It won't take away from the final rewards. The final rewards need to be even more epic.
Is it also par for the course on reddit? What about youtube?
"Oh its just the players on the forums, reddit, youtube, and facebook. Everyone else is happy." LOL doesn't that sound delusional. We are representative of the general player base.
I'm not talking about Reddit, YouTube, or Facebook. I'm talking about the Forum. I'll reserve my opinion on what takes place outside of the Forum. That is not a representation of all Players.
To the people who keep saying look at act 4 and compare, you need to remember when act 4 released r4 5*s did not exist and full completion of act 4 opened that up with the t2as. Along the way in the chapters we picked up what we need to r5 4*s or r3 5*s. We should be seeing materials to get more 5*s to r4 in the chapters for act 5 with full act completion rewards enabling us to r5 our first 5* here if you consider what was available at the time of act 4 versus what is available now in your comparisons.
@GroundedWisdom need you to come in and defend Kabam on these awful rewards
It's not my job to defend anything. People have been asking for more of Act 5. Now that it's coming, people are dissatisfied. It's par for the course on the Forum.
The Rewards aren't that horrible. They're not the same as Act Completion. The number one problem is expectations. That's why I don't get my hopes up about anything that isn't confirmed. Leaves less room to be upset when it's not what I expected.
They are capable of explaining themselves. My stance is I'm happy they're releasing more. That's what people have been asking for. No matter what they do, there will always be people not satisfied. That's about all I have to add.
The problem is that the rewards don't match what Kabam is preaching. They're preaching toward a 5* endgame focus yet providing 4* content that will become obsolete. At this point in the game, players don't care for more 4* content. It's like when you started getting 4* champions and 3* champions were obsolete. Exact same thing. This point in the game, players need more 5* champions and rewards because they have the R5 4*s that they need.
I'm happy on the announcement of more content. But the rewards a completely abysmal. They do not match the difficulty of the content and they do not match what Kabam is pushing towards.
You say no matter what they do, there will always be people not satisfied. This is a lie. If they announced extremely difficult content but provided generous rewards, people would not complain. If they stuck to their word, people would not complain. Read through the posts here and tell me how many people are legitimately satisfied with the rewards. Are there more dissatisfied customers than satisfied? If yes, then they are doing something wrong. It's that simple. There is minimal satisfaction among the community about these rewards.
These rewards ARE horrible for players who are actually exploring this content. You are in denial if you think otherwise. What is a R5 4* actually going to matter when you've explored this when you should focus on a 5* roster. What is FIVE 4* generic stones going to do for ANY champion?
The end-game content MUST focus on 5* rewards. It is stupid to think otherwise.
Is it the company that is preaching 5*'s, or the Players that consider 4*'s obsolete? Pretty sure it's the first one.
The Rewards are more than Chapter 1. They're not going to be monumentally greater because that's the scale we've seen with other Acts. Chapters 1 and 2 aren't that much more rewarding in comparison. We have not seen the entire Act, or the Completion Rewards for that matter.
I'm not debating whether other people should be satisfied. I'm saying the Rewards are not horrible. They're around what could be expected at that point in the Act, and that's my view. It's not my place to tell anyone else how to feel.
It brings me back to my original thoughts. Expectation is the cause of disappointment. This is what happens when false Rewards are leaked and people get expectations up. Beyond the fake leak, there has been so much anticipation that people have a certain idea of what should be given. I remember when Chapter 1 came out. People complained it was too easy. People complained it was too hard. People complained about the Rewards. People were happy with it and wanted more. Always mixed feedback. Rarely sufficient.
The entire idea of the Rewards being sufficient is relative to the expectations that people have on what it should be. I'm not engaging in debating that. I'm stating that they're not horrible. Other people are free to express how they feel. Either way, there were no groundbreaking Rewards in Chapter 2 of any other Act, and at one point, that was a challenge to most people.
@GroundedWisdom need you to come in and defend Kabam on these awful rewards
It's not my job to defend anything. People have been asking for more of Act 5. Now that it's coming, people are dissatisfied. It's par for the course on the Forum.
The Rewards aren't that horrible. They're not the same as Act Completion. The number one problem is expectations. That's why I don't get my hopes up about anything that isn't confirmed. Leaves less room to be upset when it's not what I expected.
They are capable of explaining themselves. My stance is I'm happy they're releasing more. That's what people have been asking for. No matter what they do, there will always be people not satisfied. That's about all I have to add.
The problem is that the rewards don't match what Kabam is preaching. They're preaching toward a 5* endgame focus yet providing 4* content that will become obsolete. At this point in the game, players don't care for more 4* content. It's like when you started getting 4* champions and 3* champions were obsolete. Exact same thing. This point in the game, players need more 5* champions and rewards because they have the R5 4*s that they need.
I'm happy on the announcement of more content. But the rewards a completely abysmal. They do not match the difficulty of the content and they do not match what Kabam is pushing towards.
You say no matter what they do, there will always be people not satisfied. This is a lie. If they announced extremely difficult content but provided generous rewards, people would not complain. If they stuck to their word, people would not complain. Read through the posts here and tell me how many people are legitimately satisfied with the rewards. Are there more dissatisfied customers than satisfied? If yes, then they are doing something wrong. It's that simple. There is minimal satisfaction among the community about these rewards.
These rewards ARE horrible for players who are actually exploring this content. You are in denial if you think otherwise. What is a R5 4* actually going to matter when you've explored this when you should focus on a 5* roster. What is FIVE 4* generic stones going to do for ANY champion?
The end-game content MUST focus on 5* rewards. It is stupid to think otherwise.
Is it the company that is preaching 5*'s, or the Players that consider 4*'s obsolete? Pretty sure it's the first one.
The Rewards are more than Chapter 1. They're not going to be monumentally greater because that's the scale we've seen with other Acts. Chapters 1 and 2 aren't that much more rewarding in comparison. We have not seen the entire Act, or the Completion Rewards for that matter.
I'm not debating whether other people should be satisfied. I'm saying the Rewards are not horrible. They're around what could be expected at that point in the Act, and that's my view. It's not my place to tell anyone else how to feel.
It brings me back to my original thoughts. Expectation is the cause of disappointment. This is what happens when false Rewards are leaked and people get expectations up. Beyond the fake leak, there has been so much anticipation that people have a certain idea of what should be given. I remember when Chapter 1 came out. People complained it was too easy. People complained it was too hard. People complained about the Rewards. People were happy with it and wanted more. Always mixed feedback. Rarely sufficient.
The entire idea of the Rewards being sufficient is relative to the expectations that people have on what it should be. I'm not engaging in debating that. I'm stating that they're not horrible. Other people are free to express how they feel. Either way, there were no groundbreaking Rewards in Chapter 2 of any other Act, and at one point, that was a challenge to most people.
Except the other acts were released all at one time. Kabam is teasing this so that each chapter seems to be the equivalent of one of the entire previous acts. This is the backlash that should be expected after people have been waiting months for new content and new rewards to rank up their champs. This is an extreme increase in difficulty with a very little increase in rewards.
As a side note, if you could be a little more discreet about being Kabam's teacher's pet that would probably make people more amenable to some of your ideas, instead of getting hundreds of posts flagged for abuse and spam.
@GroundedWisdom need you to come in and defend Kabam on these awful rewards
It's not my job to defend anything. People have been asking for more of Act 5. Now that it's coming, people are dissatisfied. It's par for the course on the Forum.
The Rewards aren't that horrible. They're not the same as Act Completion. The number one problem is expectations. That's why I don't get my hopes up about anything that isn't confirmed. Leaves less room to be upset when it's not what I expected.
They are capable of explaining themselves. My stance is I'm happy they're releasing more. That's what people have been asking for. No matter what they do, there will always be people not satisfied. That's about all I have to add.
The problem is that the rewards don't match what Kabam is preaching. They're preaching toward a 5* endgame focus yet providing 4* content that will become obsolete. At this point in the game, players don't care for more 4* content. It's like when you started getting 4* champions and 3* champions were obsolete. Exact same thing. This point in the game, players need more 5* champions and rewards because they have the R5 4*s that they need.
I'm happy on the announcement of more content. But the rewards a completely abysmal. They do not match the difficulty of the content and they do not match what Kabam is pushing towards.
You say no matter what they do, there will always be people not satisfied. This is a lie. If they announced extremely difficult content but provided generous rewards, people would not complain. If they stuck to their word, people would not complain. Read through the posts here and tell me how many people are legitimately satisfied with the rewards. Are there more dissatisfied customers than satisfied? If yes, then they are doing something wrong. It's that simple. There is minimal satisfaction among the community about these rewards.
These rewards ARE horrible for players who are actually exploring this content. You are in denial if you think otherwise. What is a R5 4* actually going to matter when you've explored this when you should focus on a 5* roster. What is FIVE 4* generic stones going to do for ANY champion?
The end-game content MUST focus on 5* rewards. It is stupid to think otherwise.
Is it the company that is preaching 5*'s, or the Players that consider 4*'s obsolete? Pretty sure it's the first one.
The Rewards are more than Chapter 1. They're not going to be monumentally greater because that's the scale we've seen with other Acts. Chapters 1 and 2 aren't that much more rewarding in comparison. We have not seen the entire Act, or the Completion Rewards for that matter.
I'm not debating whether other people should be satisfied. I'm saying the Rewards are not horrible. They're around what could be expected at that point in the Act, and that's my view. It's not my place to tell anyone else how to feel.
It brings me back to my original thoughts. Expectation is the cause of disappointment. This is what happens when false Rewards are leaked and people get expectations up. Beyond the fake leak, there has been so much anticipation that people have a certain idea of what should be given. I remember when Chapter 1 came out. People complained it was too easy. People complained it was too hard. People complained about the Rewards. People were happy with it and wanted more. Always mixed feedback. Rarely sufficient.
The entire idea of the Rewards being sufficient is relative to the expectations that people have on what it should be. I'm not engaging in debating that. I'm stating that they're not horrible. Other people are free to express how they feel. Either way, there were no groundbreaking Rewards in Chapter 2 of any other Act, and at one point, that was a challenge to most people.
Except the other acts were released all at one time. Kabam is teasing this so that each chapter seems to be the equivalent of one of the entire previous acts. This is the backlash that should be expected after people have been waiting months for new content and new rewards to rank up their champs. This is an extreme increase in difficulty with a very little increase in rewards.
As a side note, if you could be a little more discreet about being Kabam's teacher's pet that would probably make people more amenable to some of your ideas, instead of getting hundreds of posts flagged for abuse and spam.
The abuse of the Flagging Function is not the topic of this discussion. Neither is your personal attack on my comments.
Either way, there were no groundbreaking Rewards in Chapter 2 of any other Act, and at one point, that was a challenge to most people.
Completely disagree on this point. Every chapter in act 4 gives an extra mastery point which to this day is still "ground breaking" considering that is the only place to get those once you are already at summoner level 60.
The rank up ticket equates to 5 t4b 2 alphas and 3 t4c right? Just has to be used on a 4*. I really wanted t2a and 5* awakening snd shards so I am disappointed. However if I understand the rank up ticket correctly that's a pretty cool prize.
And why, at this point in the game, would another R5 4* matter? You don't need more of them if you are able to explore such difficult content. You need more 5* champions and sig stones. The rank up ticket is completely useless. Maybe a 5* rank up ticket would be worthwhile.
Simply put, if you're at a point in the game where you are able to explore this without spending tons of potions and revives, you aren't looking to R5 another 4* because it is likely that there isn't a 4* you even care to bring to R5. At this point it is just for the prestige. You care more about 5* champions at this point in the game, which Kabam has announced a focus toward, yet they refuse to put out reasonable 5* content for players to get as rewards
Another 5/50 4* doesn't really matter to me that much. Nor does anything short of 5* shards, awakening gems or sig stones, t2a or t5b. I'm pretty disappointed with the rewards. However I was pointing out that the value of the rank up ticket makes the rewards a good deal better. Just not for the most advanced players. I've done a single lol run but I figure there aren't more than a few thousand players who have done so.
I'd like kabam to reconsider the rewards of course but I don't think that's too likely. I'm sure the other chapters in act 5 will have what we are looking for.
The best way to make a point to these stingy guys is DO NOT BUY ANY OFFERS. if you keep on buying them then they will ignore you. STOP BUYING OFFERS UNTIL THEY GET YOUR POINT. Those rewards are ****.
Either way, there were no groundbreaking Rewards in Chapter 2 of any other Act, and at one point, that was a challenge to most people.
Completely disagree on this point. Every chapter in act 4 gives an extra mastery point which to this day is still "ground breaking" considering that is the only place to get those once you are already at summoner level 60.
Well, for the moment they have a limited number of Mastery Points in the game. I would like to see more, but they've stated they have no plans of adding more at the moment. That may change.
@GroundedWisdom need you to come in and defend Kabam on these awful rewards
It's not my job to defend anything. People have been asking for more of Act 5. Now that it's coming, people are dissatisfied. It's par for the course on the Forum.
The Rewards aren't that horrible. They're not the same as Act Completion. The number one problem is expectations. That's why I don't get my hopes up about anything that isn't confirmed. Leaves less room to be upset when it's not what I expected.
They are capable of explaining themselves. My stance is I'm happy they're releasing more. That's what people have been asking for. No matter what they do, there will always be people not satisfied. That's about all I have to add.
The problem is that the rewards don't match what Kabam is preaching. They're preaching toward a 5* endgame focus yet providing 4* content that will become obsolete. At this point in the game, players don't care for more 4* content. It's like when you started getting 4* champions and 3* champions were obsolete. Exact same thing. This point in the game, players need more 5* champions and rewards because they have the R5 4*s that they need.
I'm happy on the announcement of more content. But the rewards a completely abysmal. They do not match the difficulty of the content and they do not match what Kabam is pushing towards.
You say no matter what they do, there will always be people not satisfied. This is a lie. If they announced extremely difficult content but provided generous rewards, people would not complain. If they stuck to their word, people would not complain. Read through the posts here and tell me how many people are legitimately satisfied with the rewards. Are there more dissatisfied customers than satisfied? If yes, then they are doing something wrong. It's that simple. There is minimal satisfaction among the community about these rewards.
These rewards ARE horrible for players who are actually exploring this content. You are in denial if you think otherwise. What is a R5 4* actually going to matter when you've explored this when you should focus on a 5* roster. What is FIVE 4* generic stones going to do for ANY champion?
The end-game content MUST focus on 5* rewards. It is stupid to think otherwise.
Is it the company that is preaching 5*'s, or the Players that consider 4*'s obsolete? Pretty sure it's the first one.
The Rewards are more than Chapter 1. They're not going to be monumentally greater because that's the scale we've seen with other Acts. Chapters 1 and 2 aren't that much more rewarding in comparison. We have not seen the entire Act, or the Completion Rewards for that matter.
I'm not debating whether other people should be satisfied. I'm saying the Rewards are not horrible. They're around what could be expected at that point in the Act, and that's my view. It's not my place to tell anyone else how to feel.
It brings me back to my original thoughts. Expectation is the cause of disappointment. This is what happens when false Rewards are leaked and people get expectations up. Beyond the fake leak, there has been so much anticipation that people have a certain idea of what should be given. I remember when Chapter 1 came out. People complained it was too easy. People complained it was too hard. People complained about the Rewards. People were happy with it and wanted more. Always mixed feedback. Rarely sufficient.
The entire idea of the Rewards being sufficient is relative to the expectations that people have on what it should be. I'm not engaging in debating that. I'm stating that they're not horrible. Other people are free to express how they feel. Either way, there were no groundbreaking Rewards in Chapter 2 of any other Act, and at one point, that was a challenge to most people.
You obviously think the rewards are ok because you haven't fully explored trtl an 5.1, if you had you would understand why the rewards are so poor for content that's is way harder then both of them. All people are say is that rewards should scale with difficulty
The worst part about that rank up gem is kabam are specifically hindering progression as we could use that stuff on our 5*. There is no need to not do those items separately, if they did it would be much better an more people will be happier
Either way, there were no groundbreaking Rewards in Chapter 2 of any other Act, and at one point, that was a challenge to most people.
Completely disagree on this point. Every chapter in act 4 gives an extra mastery point which to this day is still "ground breaking" considering that is the only place to get those once you are already at summoner level 60.
Well, for the moment they have a limited number of Mastery Points in the game. I would like to see more, but they've stated they have no plans of adding more at the moment. That may change.
Why do all your posts sound like you work for Kabam? If you do thats fine. You should just let ppl know is all. Maybe you wouldn't get so many Spam/Abuse flags...
Either way, there were no groundbreaking Rewards in Chapter 2 of any other Act, and at one point, that was a challenge to most people.
Completely disagree on this point. Every chapter in act 4 gives an extra mastery point which to this day is still "ground breaking" considering that is the only place to get those once you are already at summoner level 60.
Well, for the moment they have a limited number of Mastery Points in the game. I would like to see more, but they've stated they have no plans of adding more at the moment. That may change.
Why do all your posts sound like you work for Kabam? If you do thats fine. You should just let ppl know is all. Maybe you wouldn't get so many Spam/Abuse flags...
People Flag everything I say just because they don't agree, and they don't like me. I could care less. It's just abusing the function.
I do not work for Kabam.
@GroundedWisdom need you to come in and defend Kabam on these awful rewards
It's not my job to defend anything. People have been asking for more of Act 5. Now that it's coming, people are dissatisfied. It's par for the course on the Forum.
The Rewards aren't that horrible. They're not the same as Act Completion. The number one problem is expectations. That's why I don't get my hopes up about anything that isn't confirmed. Leaves less room to be upset when it's not what I expected.
They are capable of explaining themselves. My stance is I'm happy they're releasing more. That's what people have been asking for. No matter what they do, there will always be people not satisfied. That's about all I have to add.
The problem is that the rewards don't match what Kabam is preaching. They're preaching toward a 5* endgame focus yet providing 4* content that will become obsolete. At this point in the game, players don't care for more 4* content. It's like when you started getting 4* champions and 3* champions were obsolete. Exact same thing. This point in the game, players need more 5* champions and rewards because they have the R5 4*s that they need.
I'm happy on the announcement of more content. But the rewards a completely abysmal. They do not match the difficulty of the content and they do not match what Kabam is pushing towards.
You say no matter what they do, there will always be people not satisfied. This is a lie. If they announced extremely difficult content but provided generous rewards, people would not complain. If they stuck to their word, people would not complain. Read through the posts here and tell me how many people are legitimately satisfied with the rewards. Are there more dissatisfied customers than satisfied? If yes, then they are doing something wrong. It's that simple. There is minimal satisfaction among the community about these rewards.
These rewards ARE horrible for players who are actually exploring this content. You are in denial if you think otherwise. What is a R5 4* actually going to matter when you've explored this when you should focus on a 5* roster. What is FIVE 4* generic stones going to do for ANY champion?
The end-game content MUST focus on 5* rewards. It is stupid to think otherwise.
Is it the company that is preaching 5*'s, or the Players that consider 4*'s obsolete? Pretty sure it's the first one.
The Rewards are more than Chapter 1. They're not going to be monumentally greater because that's the scale we've seen with other Acts. Chapters 1 and 2 aren't that much more rewarding in comparison. We have not seen the entire Act, or the Completion Rewards for that matter.
I'm not debating whether other people should be satisfied. I'm saying the Rewards are not horrible. They're around what could be expected at that point in the Act, and that's my view. It's not my place to tell anyone else how to feel.
It brings me back to my original thoughts. Expectation is the cause of disappointment. This is what happens when false Rewards are leaked and people get expectations up. Beyond the fake leak, there has been so much anticipation that people have a certain idea of what should be given. I remember when Chapter 1 came out. People complained it was too easy. People complained it was too hard. People complained about the Rewards. People were happy with it and wanted more. Always mixed feedback. Rarely sufficient.
The entire idea of the Rewards being sufficient is relative to the expectations that people have on what it should be. I'm not engaging in debating that. I'm stating that they're not horrible. Other people are free to express how they feel. Either way, there were no groundbreaking Rewards in Chapter 2 of any other Act, and at one point, that was a challenge to most people.
You obviously think the rewards are ok because you haven't fully explored trtl an 5.1, if you had you would understand why the rewards are so poor for content that's is way harder then both of them. All people are say is that rewards should scale with difficulty
The worst part about that rank up gem is kabam are specifically hindering progression as we could use that stuff on our 5*. There is no need to not do those items separately, if they did it would be much better an more people will be happier
Either way, there were no groundbreaking Rewards in Chapter 2 of any other Act, and at one point, that was a challenge to most people.
Completely disagree on this point. Every chapter in act 4 gives an extra mastery point which to this day is still "ground breaking" considering that is the only place to get those once you are already at summoner level 60.
Well, for the moment they have a limited number of Mastery Points in the game. I would like to see more, but they've stated they have no plans of adding more at the moment. That may change.
Kabam the rewards are insulting for the money we are willing to spend, lam not gonna spend a lot for a 4* awakening gem, sorry you'll have to pay your kids vacations with someone else's money.
I implore you to please pass the feedback you've received from everyone here about Act5/Chp2 rewards to whomever could possibly resolve this for the MCoC community.
Either way, there were no groundbreaking Rewards in Chapter 2 of any other Act, and at one point, that was a challenge to most people.
Completely disagree on this point. Every chapter in act 4 gives an extra mastery point which to this day is still "ground breaking" considering that is the only place to get those once you are already at summoner level 60.
Well, for the moment they have a limited number of Mastery Points in the game. I would like to see more, but they've stated they have no plans of adding more at the moment. That may change.
Completely missing his point
Not at all actually. There are only a certain number of Mastery Points in the game. I wouldn't say a Mastery Point would be groundbreaking, or even enough to be seen as adequate by those not happy. Not as much as is suggested. T5's would change the game greatly. I'm sure they'll come, but I wouldn't see it at Chapter 2. T2A's aren't so new, but a 5* Awakening Gem wouldn't exactly be a Chapter 2 Reward. That's my point. It's only Chapter 2. The Rewards increase, but it's still only Chapter 2. There is a progression with Rewards that we see in all content.
Either way, there were no groundbreaking Rewards in Chapter 2 of any other Act, and at one point, that was a challenge to most people.
Completely disagree on this point. Every chapter in act 4 gives an extra mastery point which to this day is still "ground breaking" considering that is the only place to get those once you are already at summoner level 60.
Well, for the moment they have a limited number of Mastery Points in the game. I would like to see more, but they've stated they have no plans of adding more at the moment. That may change.
Why do all your posts sound like you work for Kabam? If you do thats fine. You should just let ppl know is all. Maybe you wouldn't get so many Spam/Abuse flags...
People Flag everything I say just because they don't agree, and they don't like me. I could care less. It's just abusing the function.
I do not work for Kabam.
For someone who clearly spends alot of time on these forums you dont want to debate your opinion?....
Lets break down the screwups from Kabam and i will miss some because their have been alot.
Season 3 is announced with basically no difference in rewards, other than Map 5 and 6 crystals giving away extra shards and a minor chance of T2A.
LOL is released, with a completely bugged game that gave early guys a massive advantage.
LOL is closed down less than 12 hours after release because it was too easy.
Bugs todo with DE and LC are fixed
LOL is re released (10 days later? might have been 2 weeks) and is way harder than the original. Small difference for doing 1 path is added to compensate.
flashforward months... we get the ground breaking update of 12.0 which makes the game unplayable. the entire community is up in arms and Kabam make changes.
12.1 is released with the biggest NERF in the history of the game to end game content (LOL). Which is over 3 times easier with the same champs as pre 12.0. Not to mention is bugged beyond belief with Enigmatics not even working correct (Rhino, Miles, BPCW to name a few) a big middle finger to the top player base that has already finished LOL.
Season 4 is announced for AQ, which is basically WORSE for top alliances than Season 3 (we had seen no progression from Season 2 to 3, then worse for Season 4)
Act 5 Chapter 1 is released (end game content) with some stupid nodes and rewards basically suck.
and now this mess with Chapter 2.
lets not mention in amongst all of this all of the bugs that are in the game fixed and not fixed. (Backdash bug cost people units), Dexterity integration with MD. Whiffing of attacks mid combo, Blocking SP1+2 after 4 and 5 hits, Pure Skill no longer working as it did pre 12.0 the list is endless.
There is more than i have mentioned, you could go on forever, but the point is that they continue to disappoint the mid and high end of the playerbase to allow new players to catch up.
lets be brutally honest, no player that picks up the game now will EVER catch up with the top accounts in this game its physically impossible. They could drop 50k on a new account and be nowhere near the top 100 accounts in the game. The loss of the monthly calendars alone would see to that . (the months where T2A) were given, along with all the offers they have missed (T2A Daily offers, Shard Daily offers and so on)
So on that its about time that they started looking after the ENTIRE player base, you guys need to to start keeping the top players happy!!
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And why, at this point in the game, would another R5 4* matter? You don't need more of them if you are able to explore such difficult content. You need more 5* champions and sig stones. The rank up ticket is completely useless. Maybe a 5* rank up ticket would be worthwhile.
Simply put, if you're at a point in the game where you are able to explore this without spending tons of potions and revives, you aren't looking to R5 another 4* because it is likely that there isn't a 4* you even care to bring to R5. At this point it is just for the prestige. You care more about 5* champions at this point in the game, which Kabam has announced a focus toward, yet they refuse to put out reasonable 5* content for players to get as rewards
You're a lunatic. Getting a champion to R5 is not difficult in any way. Just requires a month of AQ. Awakening a 4* is 100x more work and 100x more luck. With the expansion of 4* champions, it is ever harder to awaken a single champion. The only situation where a R5 ticket trumps a generic awakening gem is when you have every champion awakened that requires awakening to become useful. In that case, sure. But most people have at least a few champions they have been craving to awaken (dr voodoo, ghost rider, scarlet witch, starlord, iceman, .... etc).
These rewards a complete **** joke to the general community that is able to explore such difficult content. These rewards provide absolutely ZERO enhancement to the rosters of those who are exploring this. At this point, the player has all the 4* R5 they need.
The problem is that the rewards don't match what Kabam is preaching. They're preaching toward a 5* endgame focus yet providing 4* content that will become obsolete. At this point in the game, players don't care for more 4* content. It's like when you started getting 4* champions and 3* champions were obsolete. Exact same thing. This point in the game, players need more 5* champions and rewards because they have the R5 4*s that they need.
I'm happy on the announcement of more content. But the rewards a completely abysmal. They do not match the difficulty of the content and they do not match what Kabam is pushing towards.
You say no matter what they do, there will always be people not satisfied. This is a lie. If they announced extremely difficult content but provided generous rewards, people would not complain. If they stuck to their word, people would not complain. Read through the posts here and tell me how many people are legitimately satisfied with the rewards. Are there more dissatisfied customers than satisfied? If yes, then they are doing something wrong. It's that simple. There is minimal satisfaction among the community about these rewards.
These rewards ARE horrible for players who are actually exploring this content. You are in denial if you think otherwise. What is a R5 4* actually going to matter when you've explored this when you should focus on a 5* roster. What is FIVE 4* generic stones going to do for ANY champion?
The end-game content MUST focus on 5* rewards. It is stupid to think otherwise.
Is it also par for the course on reddit? What about youtube?
"Oh its just the players on the forums, reddit, youtube, and facebook. Everyone else is happy." LOL doesn't that sound delusional. We are representative of the general player base.
My recommendation:
Anything that says 4*, change to 5*, and then even increase the amounts
Increase 5* shards (maybe 5000 for exploration, MINIMUM. I still think it should be more considering this is going to be the hardest content released yet apart from LOL. Chapter 4 had better rewards than this and chapter 4 is not difficult)
Replace T4B with T2A
Kabam claims to shift focus on 5* champions. So make it happen. Quit beating around the bush and pretending that you want the community to look toward 5*s when you're only releasing 4* rewards. You want the community to think you're doing a good job? Then open your eyes and look at what we say. You guys have to pay exactly $0 to provide non-materialistic content that satisfies customers. Make it happen.
Look at act 4. Compare the difficulty of chapters 1 and 2. Not much difference. Therefore the rewards aren't much different.
Act 5 is completely a different story. Chapter 2 will be harder that rttl. Please think about this.
Rewards must be commensurate with difficulty.
It won't take away from the final rewards. The final rewards need to be even more epic.
I'm not talking about Reddit, YouTube, or Facebook. I'm talking about the Forum. I'll reserve my opinion on what takes place outside of the Forum. That is not a representation of all Players.
Is it the company that is preaching 5*'s, or the Players that consider 4*'s obsolete? Pretty sure it's the first one.
The Rewards are more than Chapter 1. They're not going to be monumentally greater because that's the scale we've seen with other Acts. Chapters 1 and 2 aren't that much more rewarding in comparison. We have not seen the entire Act, or the Completion Rewards for that matter.
I'm not debating whether other people should be satisfied. I'm saying the Rewards are not horrible. They're around what could be expected at that point in the Act, and that's my view. It's not my place to tell anyone else how to feel.
It brings me back to my original thoughts. Expectation is the cause of disappointment. This is what happens when false Rewards are leaked and people get expectations up. Beyond the fake leak, there has been so much anticipation that people have a certain idea of what should be given. I remember when Chapter 1 came out. People complained it was too easy. People complained it was too hard. People complained about the Rewards. People were happy with it and wanted more. Always mixed feedback. Rarely sufficient.
The entire idea of the Rewards being sufficient is relative to the expectations that people have on what it should be. I'm not engaging in debating that. I'm stating that they're not horrible. Other people are free to express how they feel. Either way, there were no groundbreaking Rewards in Chapter 2 of any other Act, and at one point, that was a challenge to most people.
Except the other acts were released all at one time. Kabam is teasing this so that each chapter seems to be the equivalent of one of the entire previous acts. This is the backlash that should be expected after people have been waiting months for new content and new rewards to rank up their champs. This is an extreme increase in difficulty with a very little increase in rewards.
As a side note, if you could be a little more discreet about being Kabam's teacher's pet that would probably make people more amenable to some of your ideas, instead of getting hundreds of posts flagged for abuse and spam.
The abuse of the Flagging Function is not the topic of this discussion. Neither is your personal attack on my comments.
Completely disagree on this point. Every chapter in act 4 gives an extra mastery point which to this day is still "ground breaking" considering that is the only place to get those once you are already at summoner level 60.
Another 5/50 4* doesn't really matter to me that much. Nor does anything short of 5* shards, awakening gems or sig stones, t2a or t5b. I'm pretty disappointed with the rewards. However I was pointing out that the value of the rank up ticket makes the rewards a good deal better. Just not for the most advanced players. I've done a single lol run but I figure there aren't more than a few thousand players who have done so.
I'd like kabam to reconsider the rewards of course but I don't think that's too likely. I'm sure the other chapters in act 5 will have what we are looking for.
Well, for the moment they have a limited number of Mastery Points in the game. I would like to see more, but they've stated they have no plans of adding more at the moment. That may change.
You obviously think the rewards are ok because you haven't fully explored trtl an 5.1, if you had you would understand why the rewards are so poor for content that's is way harder then both of them. All people are say is that rewards should scale with difficulty
The worst part about that rank up gem is kabam are specifically hindering progression as we could use that stuff on our 5*. There is no need to not do those items separately, if they did it would be much better an more people will be happier
Why do all your posts sound like you work for Kabam? If you do thats fine. You should just let ppl know is all. Maybe you wouldn't get so many Spam/Abuse flags...
People Flag everything I say just because they don't agree, and they don't like me. I could care less. It's just abusing the function.
I do not work for Kabam.
I've stated my thoughts. I'm not debating them.
Completely missing his point
The rewards are too lousy. Please include a) 5* awakening gem b)t5 catalysts c)t2 alphas d)at LEAST half a 5* crystal e)5* sig stones
I implore you to please pass the feedback you've received from everyone here about Act5/Chp2 rewards to whomever could possibly resolve this for the MCoC community.
Kind Regards,
H
Then why are the rewards not.. Damn kabam seriously what?!
For someone who clearly spends alot of time on these forums you dont want to debate your opinion?....
Lets break down the screwups from Kabam and i will miss some because their have been alot.
Season 3 is announced with basically no difference in rewards, other than Map 5 and 6 crystals giving away extra shards and a minor chance of T2A.
LOL is released, with a completely bugged game that gave early guys a massive advantage.
LOL is closed down less than 12 hours after release because it was too easy.
Bugs todo with DE and LC are fixed
LOL is re released (10 days later? might have been 2 weeks) and is way harder than the original. Small difference for doing 1 path is added to compensate.
flashforward months... we get the ground breaking update of 12.0 which makes the game unplayable. the entire community is up in arms and Kabam make changes.
12.1 is released with the biggest NERF in the history of the game to end game content (LOL). Which is over 3 times easier with the same champs as pre 12.0. Not to mention is bugged beyond belief with Enigmatics not even working correct (Rhino, Miles, BPCW to name a few) a big middle finger to the top player base that has already finished LOL.
Season 4 is announced for AQ, which is basically WORSE for top alliances than Season 3 (we had seen no progression from Season 2 to 3, then worse for Season 4)
Act 5 Chapter 1 is released (end game content) with some stupid nodes and rewards basically suck.
and now this mess with Chapter 2.
lets not mention in amongst all of this all of the bugs that are in the game fixed and not fixed. (Backdash bug cost people units), Dexterity integration with MD. Whiffing of attacks mid combo, Blocking SP1+2 after 4 and 5 hits, Pure Skill no longer working as it did pre 12.0 the list is endless.
There is more than i have mentioned, you could go on forever, but the point is that they continue to disappoint the mid and high end of the playerbase to allow new players to catch up.
lets be brutally honest, no player that picks up the game now will EVER catch up with the top accounts in this game its physically impossible. They could drop 50k on a new account and be nowhere near the top 100 accounts in the game. The loss of the monthly calendars alone would see to that . (the months where T2A) were given, along with all the offers they have missed (T2A Daily offers, Shard Daily offers and so on)
So on that its about time that they started looking after the ENTIRE player base, you guys need to to start keeping the top players happy!!