If my tigra had suicides/was a 6* then the fight would have been faster
WTF HOW?? I thought Tigra applied Rupture, which triggers masochism healing, this is way too fast kill for a 5*
Masochism counts as a buff, so neutralise shuts it down. Champs won’t regen from masochism if you have neutralise on them.
Is this also true for stagger? Never heard of it before but also haven't had a neutralise champ.
Stagger doesn’t work, stagger let’s the buff trigger momentarily and then removes it. It’s why Mystic dispersion triggers for stagger but not for neutralise
When tigra neutralises a buff, she doesn’t gain a burst of power from MD (but she may from her senses). But when you stagger the opponent, you’ll see the buff trigger very briefly and then get removed. Because of this, it’ll give your champion MD.
The way this interacts with masochism can be explained by imagining masochism as an instant buff. As soon as it triggers, it will regenerate. There’s no timer for this regen, it just happens.
Neutralise stops the buff ever triggering, so masochism doesn’t have the opportunity to do it’s regen. But Stagger lets masochism trigger before it tries to remove it. Because masochism is instant, in that short window where the buff is on screen before it’s staggered and removed, masochism is able to regenerate the opponent and then the stagger is consumed, even though the buff has already gone.
Another champ who has the same ability as tigra to do this is BWCV with her buff immunity, it can stop masochism from being able to proc its buff. And similarly but not quite the same, Morningstar awakened can proc her own regen buff if masochism is triggered because she copies regen buffs. I haven’t tested Hood, but I’m sure his fate seal works. I’m sure Mephisto’s soul thing on sp1 works, and I’m sure longshot’s sp2 will work.
To add , using stagger to counter unstoppable is dangerous since they become unstoppable for a moment and if you strike them they can counter attack
Sorry to side track a bit and ask a question to all BG players.
Originally I suppose if both side can't KO opponent within 3 mins then the finish time should be the same, but actually it is not. What's the cause of such differences? Is it because of duration of SP3 animation not count as fight time, or the opposite? Thanks.
BTW, my fastest win is 6r4 Doom vs 5r5 Vision Aarkus. 16 secs.
If my tigra had suicides/was a 6* then the fight would have been faster
WTF HOW?? I thought Tigra applied Rupture, which triggers masochism healing, this is way too fast kill for a 5*
Masochism counts as a buff, so neutralise shuts it down. Champs won’t regen from masochism if you have neutralise on them.
Is this also true for stagger? Never heard of it before but also haven't had a neutralise champ.
Stagger doesn’t work, stagger let’s the buff trigger momentarily and then removes it. It’s why Mystic dispersion triggers for stagger but not for neutralise
When tigra neutralises a buff, she doesn’t gain a burst of power from MD (but she may from her senses). But when you stagger the opponent, you’ll see the buff trigger very briefly and then get removed. Because of this, it’ll give your champion MD.
The way this interacts with masochism can be explained by imagining masochism as an instant buff. As soon as it triggers, it will regenerate. There’s no timer for this regen, it just happens.
Neutralise stops the buff ever triggering, so masochism doesn’t have the opportunity to do it’s regen. But Stagger lets masochism trigger before it tries to remove it. Because masochism is instant, in that short window where the buff is on screen before it’s staggered and removed, masochism is able to regenerate the opponent and then the stagger is consumed, even though the buff has already gone.
Another champ who has the same ability as tigra to do this is BWCV with her buff immunity, it can stop masochism from being able to proc its buff. And similarly but not quite the same, Morningstar awakened can proc her own regen buff if masochism is triggered because she copies regen buffs. I haven’t tested Hood, but I’m sure his fate seal works. I’m sure Mephisto’s soul thing on sp1 works, and I’m sure longshot’s sp2 will work.
To add , using stagger to counter unstoppable is dangerous since they become unstoppable for a moment and if you strike them they can counter attack
I noticed this with the latest update. Unstoppable triggers for split second before it’s removed. I don’t believe it was ever like that.
I've probably gotten a couple seconds faster, but these are some of the fastest in the last couple weeks. I also just like how great Tigra did against Havok since she definitely isn't an ideal counter.
Edit: also, rich get richer is so ridiculous with Hype. Two heavy attacks will get you to an SP2, proc a stun and you can get back to ann SP2 to finish off the fight. Crazy easy.
Last season, during the Crit Me With Your Best Shot meta, I got two crazy wins - Storm vs Korg and Kingpin vs Terrax. One was 16 seconds, the other 17 seconds. Both wins were just two intercepts and an SP1. Couldn't believe my eyes. Those are the kinds of numbers that usually make me suspect that the other person is cheating.
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Originally I suppose if both side can't KO opponent within 3 mins then the finish time should be the same, but actually it is not. What's the cause of such differences? Is it because of duration of SP3 animation not count as fight time, or the opposite? Thanks.
BTW, my fastest win is 6r4 Doom vs 5r5 Vision Aarkus. 16 secs.
I quitted 😀😀
Also - we don't talk about the root meta.
I've probably gotten a couple seconds faster, but these are some of the fastest in the last couple weeks. I also just like how great Tigra did against Havok since she definitely isn't an ideal counter.
Edit: also, rich get richer is so ridiculous with Hype. Two heavy attacks will get you to an SP2, proc a stun and you can get back to ann SP2 to finish off the fight. Crazy easy.
6* r4 hit monkey against 5* r4 hammy. not surprised it went so quick lol
That’s the fastest one I’ve had parry 5 hit combo into a SP2 bomb