MCoC 2022 - Buffs that can’t be stolen or copied

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  • Camby01Camby01 Member Posts: 572 ★★
    The forums are not a place to address or try to get answers to issues... the mods/company have let it devolve into a quagmire. By choice. Issues in game should be addressed by in game mail. Hide behind "go to the forum for info" that's just lazy. Millions of downloads and can't be bothered to put an ingame message out? Give me a break. Happy to collect money, can't be bothered to do the basics.
  • AverageDesiAverageDesi Member Posts: 5,260 ★★★★★
    edited June 2022

    Fwiw we appreciate your effort and I've started this thread

    Starred* damnit
  • World EaterWorld Eater Member Posts: 3,744 ★★★★★
    New cosmic champion Hulkling was released this month so yaaaaay more questionable interactions with Loki and Rogue vs Hulkings buffs.

    Will anyone from kabam help clarify WTH is going on with these two champs and all the buffs I’ve highlighted in this thread or will this continue to be ignored? I have low expectations.

    Rogue vid
    https://youtu.be/ugQYIgtzNlc

    Rogue can not steal these buffs.
    Pierce
    Bulwark
    Unblockable


    But she can steal the Aptitude buff although it’s not shown in this vid. If she can steal Hulklings Aptitude buff, why can’t she copy Odins Aptitude buff?? Makes no sense at all.

    Here’s a vid using Loki. Two issues
    1. He can’t steal the Pierce buff (not sure about the Bulwark buff)
    2. Why does the stolen Regen buff not work and not regen any health at various times during this fight?

    https://youtu.be/l7z5-uoZVFQ

  • daveyj_196_daveyj_196_ Member Posts: 439
    At a time where every new post is a complaint I found this one to be enlightening. You're right, it would be beneficial to know the full list of buffs that can/cannot be stolen. I haven't used either of these champs in such a long time, thanks for reminding me of them.
  • AxewAxew Member Posts: 620 ★★★★
    I’m assuming Kabam will adjust the logic to make it so Rogue and Loki can steal all types of buffs when the champions themselves receive buffs. However, with the current pace of buffs this change will probably not occur for a while.
  • World EaterWorld Eater Member Posts: 3,744 ★★★★★
    edited July 2022

    Not surprised……

    Continued silence from Kabam on this thread, refusing acknowledge these questionable interactions & not helping to answer basic questions about how these champs are supposed to work. We’ve been asking for years and it’s always ignored.

    I’ll just continue to post videos when new champs with buffs come out. Sad.

    Bro they don't know either and are too afraid to answer 😅 🤫
    It sure seems like this. A mod moved this over to the bugs section 6 month ago …. So are these champs bugged or what?

    Either way, it’s a new month and new champs are just about to be released. I will test out Loki and Rogue vs Gorr & Valkyrie and post more vids.
  • CederCeder Member Posts: 668 ★★★

    A few years back, there was an insightful thread about “unstealable buffs” that can’t be copied by Rogue or stolen by Loki. See below:

    https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/138921/unstealable-buffs#latest

    Kabam didn’t take the time to respond and now we’re in 2022 with even more buffs added to the game that these champs can’t steal or copy.

    Below is a vid showing 5 more buffs that should be able to be copied or stolen but they don’t:
    Energize
    Power charge
    Immortality
    Nova Surge
    Aptitude

    https://youtu.be/9DCwoSjps1g
    CLOSE

    It’s be nice to finally get some clarification or explanation about all this. Are any of these interactions bugged and if not, why can’t Loki or Rogue interact with these (and other) buffs??

    Dude, if they could steal all buffs in the game then that'd be overpowered, it's intentional
  • World EaterWorld Eater Member Posts: 3,744 ★★★★★
    edited July 2022
    Ceder said:

    A few years back, there was an insightful thread about “unstealable buffs” that can’t be copied by Rogue or stolen by Loki. See below:

    https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/138921/unstealable-buffs#latest

    Kabam didn’t take the time to respond and now we’re in 2022 with even more buffs added to the game that these champs can’t steal or copy.

    Below is a vid showing 5 more buffs that should be able to be copied or stolen but they don’t:
    Energize
    Power charge
    Immortality
    Nova Surge
    Aptitude

    https://youtu.be/9DCwoSjps1g
    CLOSE

    It’s be nice to finally get some clarification or explanation about all this. Are any of these interactions bugged and if not, why can’t Loki or Rogue interact with these (and other) buffs??

    Dude, if they could steal all buffs in the game then that'd be overpowered, it's intentional
    Well then they should say so and revise those champions descriptions to make it more clear. But they haven't said anything ….. for years.

    And if you’re right then why can Loki steal Hulklings aptitude buff but not Odins aptitude buff???? It’s the same buff!!
  • World EaterWorld Eater Member Posts: 3,744 ★★★★★
    edited July 2022
    https://youtu.be/ebI3up4N-r4

    Add these to the list of buffs that Rogue can’t copy and Loki can’t steal:

    Undermine
    Volt magic
    Viscera magic
    Venom magic
  • Fit_Fun9329Fit_Fun9329 Member Posts: 2,183 ★★★★★
    Nice to see that you keep the thread active, keep up the fight
  • World EaterWorld Eater Member Posts: 3,744 ★★★★★
    I’m still confused why this was moved to the bugs and known issues section.

    Does this mean Loki and Rogue are bugged ?
  • Fit_Fun9329Fit_Fun9329 Member Posts: 2,183 ★★★★★

    I’m still confused why this was moved to the bugs and known issues section.

    Does this mean Loki and Rogue are bugged ?

    Perhaps it was moved by a mod who wasn’t really sure but moved it anyway. This topic is way too complex for a simple answer i think..
  • World EaterWorld Eater Member Posts: 3,744 ★★★★★
    Similar to Hulkling released last month, both Rogue and Loki are not able to copy and steal Valkyrie’s buffs:

    Pierce
    Bulwark

    These buffs can be nullified by scarlet witch and venom so why doesn’t Loki or Rogue interact with these buffs per their listed abilities??????

    https://youtu.be/Z0PNuuxmMQA

    iPad Air 4th gen
    iOS 15.5
    And all the same nonsense I’ve posted previously, but it’s not my device that’s the issue here.
  • Nathan_MilburyNathan_Milbury Member Posts: 5
    Bring up some great points. The buff steal is a huge part of their kits (dang near only thing Loki has) so confirming what can / can’t happen along with description updates for these champs that have been in the game forever seems like a no-brainer.

  • World EaterWorld Eater Member Posts: 3,744 ★★★★★
    8 months later and I’m still holding onto hope that Kabam will review and respond to everything in this thread. I’ve put a decent amount of time, energy and effort into recording & editing video and posting here. Id appreciate an equal amount of effort into clarifying what is going on with Loki and Rogue. Months ago, kabam moved this thread to the bugs section. Why? Are these two champs bugged or not?

    It’s August 2022 and we’ve got another cosmic hero in the game, Galan, and so here is another buff that Rogue can not copy: Intensify

    iPad 4th gen
    iOS 15.6
    Whatever mcoc version we’re at as of today.

    https://youtu.be/0OblmezNC9M
  • AverageDesiAverageDesi Member Posts: 5,260 ★★★★★

  • Fit_Fun9329Fit_Fun9329 Member Posts: 2,183 ★★★★★
    Woow that’s news right
  • World EaterWorld Eater Member Posts: 3,744 ★★★★★
    edited September 2022
    Definitely decent news about Loki but Valkyrie isn’t the only champ with those 2 buffs. What about Hulkling?

    And why can’t Rogue copy those buffs ?

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  • DeaconDeacon Member Posts: 4,251 ★★★★★
    Glad I searched first .., Justice for Rogue! she should be able to copy any buff beyond what her abilities say she can't which is unstoppable.

    I mean it's kind of what she does .. an update would be nice to her kit to allow more recent buffs to be copied.
  • World EaterWorld Eater Member Posts: 3,744 ★★★★★
    We’ve tried to get an answer or clarification from Kabam for years but they just keep burying their heads in the sand, . Next time there’s another buff heavy champ released , I’ll be testing Rogue and Loki vs them.
  • Pseudo_19Pseudo_19 Member Posts: 396 ★★
    @“Kabam Jax” @Kabam Miike @Kabam Zibiit
    Any chance we can have this discussion answered?
  • World EaterWorld Eater Member Posts: 3,744 ★★★★★
    For those interested in Rogue see this thread below for an update from Zibiit.

    https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/325886/rogue-sp1-not-working-on-ikaris#latest
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