What’s the update on Wish Crystals?

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  • SiliyoSiliyo Member Posts: 1,476 ★★★★★
    DNA3000 said:



    The only thing players remember is the "targeted at late 2020, early 2021" part of this, not the "longer-term" part or the "this is an early look" and "plans can change" part. Which is why we don't get this sort of insight any more. The playerbase isn't capable of processing such information correctly.

    That’s nice, but you forgot to mention when this was created which was July 1st 2020. Obviously they didn’t decide to do these things in July, considering it takes time to develop the Dev Diaries. Benefit of the doubt, let’s say these things came up in conversation in June 2020. If their plan was to release these “at late 2020, early 2021” then it would support the “longer term” portion since it’s 5+ months after releasing the diary.

    I think the problem is introducing the idea of the Wish Crystal but not following up on it. If I recall correctly, this was the first and only time Wish Crystals were spoken about

    https://playcontestofchampions.com/news/dev-diary-champions-of-the-contest/
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 19,697 Guardian
    Siliyo said:

    DNA3000 said:



    The only thing players remember is the "targeted at late 2020, early 2021" part of this, not the "longer-term" part or the "this is an early look" and "plans can change" part. Which is why we don't get this sort of insight any more. The playerbase isn't capable of processing such information correctly.

    That’s nice, but you forgot to mention when this was created which was July 1st 2020. Obviously they didn’t decide to do these things in July, considering it takes time to develop the Dev Diaries. Benefit of the doubt, let’s say these things came up in conversation in June 2020. If their plan was to release these “at late 2020, early 2021” then it would support the “longer term” portion since it’s 5+ months after releasing the diary.

    I think the problem is introducing the idea of the Wish Crystal but not following up on it. If I recall correctly, this was the first and only time Wish Crystals were spoken about

    https://playcontestofchampions.com/news/dev-diary-champions-of-the-contest/
    Like I said, everyone focuses on the "targeted at" and not the "early look" and "plans can change" parts. Which is why when players say they want more "transparency" in what the devs are thinking, I laugh a little. They should never, ever, ever tell us what they are thinking, only what is actually already in the delivery pipeline. Because introducing an idea that is subject to change and never actually delivered is in your words a "problem."
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,074 ★★★★★
    Siliyo said:

    DNA3000 said:



    The only thing players remember is the "targeted at late 2020, early 2021" part of this, not the "longer-term" part or the "this is an early look" and "plans can change" part. Which is why we don't get this sort of insight any more. The playerbase isn't capable of processing such information correctly.

    That’s nice, but you forgot to mention when this was created which was July 1st 2020. Obviously they didn’t decide to do these things in July, considering it takes time to develop the Dev Diaries. Benefit of the doubt, let’s say these things came up in conversation in June 2020. If their plan was to release these “at late 2020, early 2021” then it would support the “longer term” portion since it’s 5+ months after releasing the diary.

    I think the problem is introducing the idea of the Wish Crystal but not following up on it. If I recall correctly, this was the first and only time Wish Crystals were spoken about

    https://playcontestofchampions.com/news/dev-diary-champions-of-the-contest/
    Following up on it? There's been a new thread on these at the very least, once a week since the dev diary came out. Miike, boo and Jax have commented on it saying there's no update of different ones at different times. It's still just an idea that didn't make it to the game..... Yet ( like DNA said).
  • SiliyoSiliyo Member Posts: 1,476 ★★★★★
    Demonzfyre said:

    Siliyo said:

    DNA3000 said:



    The only thing players remember is the "targeted at late 2020, early 2021" part of this, not the "longer-term" part or the "this is an early look" and "plans can change" part. Which is why we don't get this sort of insight any more. The playerbase isn't capable of processing such information correctly.

    That’s nice, but you forgot to mention when this was created which was July 1st 2020. Obviously they didn’t decide to do these things in July, considering it takes time to develop the Dev Diaries. Benefit of the doubt, let’s say these things came up in conversation in June 2020. If their plan was to release these “at late 2020, early 2021” then it would support the “longer term” portion since it’s 5+ months after releasing the diary.

    I think the problem is introducing the idea of the Wish Crystal but not following up on it. If I recall correctly, this was the first and only time Wish Crystals were spoken about

    https://playcontestofchampions.com/news/dev-diary-champions-of-the-contest/
    Following up on it? There's been a new thread on these at the very least, once a week since the dev diary came out. Miike, boo and Jax have commented on it saying there's no update of different ones at different times. It's still just an idea that didn't make it to the game..... Yet ( like DNA said).
    That’s not Kabam following up on it. That’s the result of other players asking Kabam for an update. I doubt these threads would be created if there was a dedicated post by Kabam on such things.
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,074 ★★★★★
    Siliyo said:

    Demonzfyre said:

    Siliyo said:

    DNA3000 said:



    The only thing players remember is the "targeted at late 2020, early 2021" part of this, not the "longer-term" part or the "this is an early look" and "plans can change" part. Which is why we don't get this sort of insight any more. The playerbase isn't capable of processing such information correctly.

    That’s nice, but you forgot to mention when this was created which was July 1st 2020. Obviously they didn’t decide to do these things in July, considering it takes time to develop the Dev Diaries. Benefit of the doubt, let’s say these things came up in conversation in June 2020. If their plan was to release these “at late 2020, early 2021” then it would support the “longer term” portion since it’s 5+ months after releasing the diary.

    I think the problem is introducing the idea of the Wish Crystal but not following up on it. If I recall correctly, this was the first and only time Wish Crystals were spoken about

    https://playcontestofchampions.com/news/dev-diary-champions-of-the-contest/
    Following up on it? There's been a new thread on these at the very least, once a week since the dev diary came out. Miike, boo and Jax have commented on it saying there's no update of different ones at different times. It's still just an idea that didn't make it to the game..... Yet ( like DNA said).
    That’s not Kabam following up on it. That’s the result of other players asking Kabam for an update. I doubt these threads would be created if there was a dedicated post by Kabam on such things.
    As DNA has explained, it's not a good idea. People asking for wish crystals have ignored the points he's already made. If there was a dedicated post on it, it would be bombarded with people lambasting the devs for not making them a feature in the game. Even worse than threads we get now.

    If people could keep grounded and remember that plans change or direction changes, maybe it could work but that's not going to happen with this community.
  • PikoluPikolu Member, Guardian Posts: 7,808 Guardian
    Siliyo said:

    Demonzfyre said:

    Siliyo said:

    DNA3000 said:



    The only thing players remember is the "targeted at late 2020, early 2021" part of this, not the "longer-term" part or the "this is an early look" and "plans can change" part. Which is why we don't get this sort of insight any more. The playerbase isn't capable of processing such information correctly.

    That’s nice, but you forgot to mention when this was created which was July 1st 2020. Obviously they didn’t decide to do these things in July, considering it takes time to develop the Dev Diaries. Benefit of the doubt, let’s say these things came up in conversation in June 2020. If their plan was to release these “at late 2020, early 2021” then it would support the “longer term” portion since it’s 5+ months after releasing the diary.

    I think the problem is introducing the idea of the Wish Crystal but not following up on it. If I recall correctly, this was the first and only time Wish Crystals were spoken about

    https://playcontestofchampions.com/news/dev-diary-champions-of-the-contest/
    Following up on it? There's been a new thread on these at the very least, once a week since the dev diary came out. Miike, boo and Jax have commented on it saying there's no update of different ones at different times. It's still just an idea that didn't make it to the game..... Yet ( like DNA said).
    That’s not Kabam following up on it. That’s the result of other players asking Kabam for an update. I doubt these threads would be created if there was a dedicated post by Kabam on such things.
    Wait. You expect people to read. LOL

    Seriously, whenever the SQ has some level of complexity to it, then the forums get bombarded by posts of people asking how things work when they could simply look at the dedicated thread about SQ each month right at the top of this.

    A dedicated thread won't solve any problems at all, and that's the unfortunate truth.
  • Yodabolt21Yodabolt21 Member Posts: 2,598 ★★★★★
    I am just guessing that the availability of class nexuses, nexuses in general and Abyss nexuses were the “replacement” of the Wish crystal. I am totally fine with that.
  • Pokemaster1289Pokemaster1289 Member Posts: 6 ★
    Still. It would be nice if one of the mods updated us on the status of wish crystals, it has been 2 years since it's projected date
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,074 ★★★★★
    Pokemaster1289 said:

    Still. It would be nice if one of the mods updated us on the status of wish crystals, it has been 2 years since it's projected date

    They have. Dozens of times.
  • Wozzle007Wozzle007 Member Posts: 1,037 ★★★★★
    Honestly, I think we all know these are never coming. We’re seeing more choice crystals, nexus, class nexus, abyss nexus instead.

    But at least with bases we eventually got the update to say their plans had changed. Or at least I think there plan became to expansive for MCOC and became the MROC game.

    I think we all want things to look forward to. But we don’t get a long term vision of what’s coming to get excited about the future.
  • Feeney234Feeney234 Member Posts: 1,202 ★★★★
    Who cares about wish crystals when we have relics! 🙃
  • Wicket329Wicket329 Member Posts: 3,373 ★★★★★
    I've posted this before and I'll say it again here, but Wish Crystals, as we currently understand them, are a technological impossibility for the game due to server strain.

    As has been discussed by Kabam on the forums before, the total number of variations of crystals in the game is a server burden. Basically, it doesn't matter if you have 10,000 of the same crystal, but having 10,000 different crystals is taxing on the server. That's why they periodically auto-open old, outdated crystals; so they can be purged from the servers and lighten the load.

    Wish Crystals are the worst thing possible for a setup like this, because every one of them will be unique. Each player will populate their own pool of 30 champions. I'm not good at math, but one of the math guys on here can figure out how many potential unique permutations of crystal that would be. It's a lot, I know that much.

    That's why, from a technical standpoint, Wish Crystals can't work without a serious investment of resources into server space. If you were to put them as a reward for some piece of content, and then a bunch of players cleared that content and each created their own unique Wish Crystals, the sudden server strain would be insane. I can't imagine a company okaying that level of expense when there are other solutions that don't require hardware investment.
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 19,697 Guardian
    Wicket329 said:

    I've posted this before and I'll say it again here, but Wish Crystals, as we currently understand them, are a technological impossibility for the game due to server strain.

    As has been discussed by Kabam on the forums before, the total number of variations of crystals in the game is a server burden. Basically, it doesn't matter if you have 10,000 of the same crystal, but having 10,000 different crystals is taxing on the server. That's why they periodically auto-open old, outdated crystals; so they can be purged from the servers and lighten the load.

    Wish Crystals are the worst thing possible for a setup like this, because every one of them will be unique. Each player will populate their own pool of 30 champions. I'm not good at math, but one of the math guys on here can figure out how many potential unique permutations of crystal that would be. It's a lot, I know that much.

    That's why, from a technical standpoint, Wish Crystals can't work without a serious investment of resources into server space. If you were to put them as a reward for some piece of content, and then a bunch of players cleared that content and each created their own unique Wish Crystals, the sudden server strain would be insane. I can't imagine a company okaying that level of expense when there are other solutions that don't require hardware investment.

    It is precisely the issues with implementing wish crystals using the conventional crystal technology that tells me they would never implement them with the current crystal technology. They would almost certainly have to implement them in some other way, such as with dynamic selectors where the wish crystal options are selected dynamically by the player and they are not permanently stored by the servers (for example, think about the technology involved in banning champs in battlegrounds).

    It is probably conceptual stuff like this more than anything else that sent this idea to the back of the bus. Think about the current technology for selectors. The selector is a useful technology implementation and it allows for some great reward options. But then you buy twenty T4CC selectors, or 90 scrap selectors, and then you see what the original conceptual model for selectors failed to account for (there is an actual proposed solution to this that has been brought up to the devs, but it hasn't been implemented yet as of when I write this). The technology works, but the player-facing workflow to interact with it can be very clumsy or annoying. Similar issues can come up once you try to actually design wish crystals that would actually function in the game.
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