Anyone explain me

WingsOfChaos_1WingsOfChaos_1 Member Posts: 59 ★
edited June 2023 in General Discussion
They said we were going to get the end of season aw awards one step higher.Is this cancelled?

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  • HendrossHendross Member Posts: 965 ★★★
    The current state of the game is in such disarray, to compensate people for their frustration and apologize for the lack of proper testing. Each alliance (war participants) will receive rewards 1 tier higher than their stated finish. e.g if you're current rank is platinum 4, you will receive platinum 3 rewards.
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,532 ★★★★★
    Hendross said:

    The current state of the game is in such disarray, to compensate people for their frustration and apologize for the lack of proper testing. Each alliance (war participants) will receive rewards 1 tier higher than their stated finish. e.g if you're current rank is platinum 4, you will receive platinum 3 rewards.

    That's not why they are doing that. It was the bugged attack tactic after the update.
  • HendrossHendross Member Posts: 965 ★★★
    I believe we just said the same thing, the bugged attack tactic is just another symptom.
  • WingsOfChaos_1WingsOfChaos_1 Member Posts: 59 ★
    Demonzfyre said:

    No? Why would you think its cancelled?

    some of my friends said that instead of increasing the prize, they will add an extra prize to bg next season.
  • WingsOfChaos_1WingsOfChaos_1 Member Posts: 59 ★
    Squammo said:

    They also mentioned it will take up to a week until we get rewards this time around. So brace yourselves for a week of “where are war rewards” posts incoming.

    True lol
  • WingsOfChaos_1WingsOfChaos_1 Member Posts: 59 ★
    Thanks guys
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,532 ★★★★★
    WingsOfChaos_1 said:

    Demonzfyre said:

    No? Why would you think its cancelled?

    some of my friends said that instead of increasing the prize, they will add an extra prize to bg next season.
    They are increasing BG rewards due to the 2 week period where no wars will happen.

    Reward tier bump- https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/337923/the-last-48-hours-have-not-been-our-best-aw-rewards-tier-bump#latest

    Season 43 announcement- https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/338270/alliance-war-season-43-persistent-placement-phase-extended-offseason-temp-bg-reward-bump#latest
  • FurrymoosenFurrymoosen Member Posts: 4,884 ★★★★★
    WingsOfChaos_1 said:

    Demonzfyre said:

    No? Why would you think its cancelled?

    some of my friends said that instead of increasing the prize, they will add an extra prize to bg next season.
    Completely separate thing. I’d suggest diving into Kabam’s forum posts instead of listening to what your friends say.

    Next AW season will be delayed and AW itself will be taken down entirely for 2 weeks. To make up for some of the lack of rewards because of the game mode being taken down and because of the delay, they are roping extra rewards into the next BG season, but only for next season. You’re just getting two different pieces of info scrambled together.
  • WingsOfChaos_1WingsOfChaos_1 Member Posts: 59 ★
    Furrymoosen said:

    WingsOfChaos_1 said:

    Demonzfyre said:

    No? Why would you think its cancelled?

    some of my friends said that instead of increasing the prize, they will add an extra prize to bg next season.
    Completely separate thing. I’d suggest diving into Kabam’s forum posts instead of listening to what your friends say.

    Next AW season will be delayed and AW itself will be taken down entirely for 2 weeks. To make up for some of the lack of rewards because of the game mode being taken down and because of the delay, they are roping extra rewards into the next BG season, but only for next season. You’re just getting two different pieces of info scrambled together.
    Yeah youre totally right
  • WingsOfChaos_1WingsOfChaos_1 Member Posts: 59 ★
    but don't you think it's such a noonsense to give compensation with this method, I can usually play for 10 or 15 minutes a day for aw because of my work, but it's unfair for people like us to be compensated in this way.
  • FurrymoosenFurrymoosen Member Posts: 4,884 ★★★★★
    WingsOfChaos_1 said:

    but don't you think it's such a noonsense to give compensation with this method, I can usually play for 10 or 15 minutes a day for aw because of my work, but it's unfair for people like us to be compensated in this way.

    It’s not compensation, it’s them doing something kind for the player base. In the past they have taken AQ down for a week to make changes and did nothing to offer rewards. The same thing has happened with AW in the past as well. So instead of telling players they’re tough out of luck with AW being down for 2 weeks, they’re offering players the opportunity to make up those rewards through efforts in another game mode. It’s not perfect, and it will take a little more time and effort, but it’s more than nothing.
  • Fit_Fun9329Fit_Fun9329 Member Posts: 2,251 ★★★★★
    All got their popcorn already for the big AW changes? I am set
  • SirGamesBondSirGamesBond Member Posts: 5,644 ★★★★★
    Squammo said:

    They also mentioned it will take up to a week until we get rewards this time around. So brace yourselves for a week of “where are war rewards” posts incoming.

    War season reward where?
  • TheExit27TheExit27 Member Posts: 714 ★★★
    WingsOfChaos_1 said:

    They said we were going to get the end of season aw awards one step higher.Is this cancelled?

    Patience, my friend. Patience.
  • BadahBadah Member Posts: 312 ★★
    Furrymoosen said:

    WingsOfChaos_1 said:

    but don't you think it's such a noonsense to give compensation with this method, I can usually play for 10 or 15 minutes a day for aw because of my work, but it's unfair for people like us to be compensated in this way.

    It’s not compensation, it’s them doing something kind for the player base. In the past they have taken AQ down for a week to make changes and did nothing to offer rewards. The same thing has happened with AW in the past as well. So instead of telling players they’re tough out of luck with AW being down for 2 weeks, they’re offering players the opportunity to make up those rewards through efforts in another game mode. It’s not perfect, and it will take a little more time and effort, but it’s more than nothing.
    They are not doing this for the player base, this is only for those on the top of the pyramid... The players in the base do not score 300 to 400k in Battlegrounds...
  • PikoluPikolu Member, Guardian Posts: 8,096 Guardian
    Badah said:

    Furrymoosen said:

    WingsOfChaos_1 said:

    but don't you think it's such a noonsense to give compensation with this method, I can usually play for 10 or 15 minutes a day for aw because of my work, but it's unfair for people like us to be compensated in this way.

    It’s not compensation, it’s them doing something kind for the player base. In the past they have taken AQ down for a week to make changes and did nothing to offer rewards. The same thing has happened with AW in the past as well. So instead of telling players they’re tough out of luck with AW being down for 2 weeks, they’re offering players the opportunity to make up those rewards through efforts in another game mode. It’s not perfect, and it will take a little more time and effort, but it’s more than nothing.
    They are not doing this for the player base, this is only for those on the top of the pyramid... The players in the base do not score 300 to 400k in Battlegrounds...
    Literally anyone who is filled with enough determination can hit 300-400k in BGs pretty easily if they have saved up their elders marks. My casual stroll through VT yielded me almost 300k points and I used elders marks the entire time and am still sitting on 9k elders marks. So someone with a lower win rate can still get those points at the cost of some more elders marks
  • WingsOfChaos_1WingsOfChaos_1 Member Posts: 59 ★
    Badah said:

    Pikolu said:

    Badah said:

    Furrymoosen said:

    WingsOfChaos_1 said:

    but don't you think it's such a noonsense to give compensation with this method, I can usually play for 10 or 15 minutes a day for aw because of my work, but it's unfair for people like us to be compensated in this way.

    It’s not compensation, it’s them doing something kind for the player base. In the past they have taken AQ down for a week to make changes and did nothing to offer rewards. The same thing has happened with AW in the past as well. So instead of telling players they’re tough out of luck with AW being down for 2 weeks, they’re offering players the opportunity to make up those rewards through efforts in another game mode. It’s not perfect, and it will take a little more time and effort, but it’s more than nothing.
    They are not doing this for the player base, this is only for those on the top of the pyramid... The players in the base do not score 300 to 400k in Battlegrounds...
    Literally anyone who is filled with enough determination can hit 300-400k in BGs pretty easily if they have saved up their elders marks. My casual stroll through VT yielded me almost 300k points and I used elders marks the entire time and am still sitting on 9k elders marks. So someone with a lower win rate can still get those points at the cost of some more elders marks
    Some of us have a life outside this game... It may be a casual stroll to you, but if you have to be filled with determination, for me it sounds like a marathon. With an average 50% win rate still is over 115 matches, for me that's over 15 hours of playing... I would not definitely call that a casual stroll
    this is exactly what i am talking about
  • BadahBadah Member Posts: 312 ★★
    @DNA3000 , that’s the point. People who were already doing great in battlegrounds will get the rewards for the missing AW. The others, IF they decide to use the same time they used in AW, will only get some 6* shards, IF they win matches - to have a 50% win rate average overall , some players will have a 80%, while others have 20% - so that’s why I’m questioning the fairness of this “solution”
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 20,053 Guardian
    Badah said:

    @DNA3000 , that’s the point. People who were already doing great in battlegrounds will get the rewards for the missing AW. The others, IF they decide to use the same time they used in AW, will only get some 6* shards, IF they win matches - to have a 50% win rate average overall , some players will have a 80%, while others have 20% - so that’s why I’m questioning the fairness of this “solution”

    The milestone rewards are not the primary source of rewards from Battlegrounds. The promotion rewards are much higher.

    And in terms of fairness, the goal is not to replace rewards for rewards. It is to replace opportunity with opportunity. The opportunity is there to earn a significant amount of rewards from BG. But of course every player is different, there will be players who will earn less rewards from BG than they would have from AW and vice versa. That's just life.
  • BadahBadah Member Posts: 312 ★★
    DNA3000 said:

    Badah said:

    @DNA3000 , that’s the point. People who were already doing great in battlegrounds will get the rewards for the missing AW. The others, IF they decide to use the same time they used in AW, will only get some 6* shards, IF they win matches - to have a 50% win rate average overall , some players will have a 80%, while others have 20% - so that’s why I’m questioning the fairness of this “solution”

    The milestone rewards are not the primary source of rewards from Battlegrounds. The promotion rewards are much higher.

    And in terms of fairness, the goal is not to replace rewards for rewards. It is to replace opportunity with opportunity. The opportunity is there to earn a significant amount of rewards from BG. But of course every player is different, there will be players who will earn less rewards from BG than they would have from AW and vice versa. That's just life.
    The fact that the promotion rewards are higher is irrelevant to this discussion. They added extra rewards to milestones, not to progression rewards.

    Other thing never mentioned in this discussion is that Alliances that do not play AW at all - there are several alliances that just focus on BG, or BG/AQ, will benefit from the stoppage of a game mode that they don’t play at all… adding another level of unfairness to the solution. So, yes, I would rather not having the extra rewards added at all.
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 20,053 Guardian
    Badah said:

    DNA3000 said:

    Badah said:

    @DNA3000 , that’s the point. People who were already doing great in battlegrounds will get the rewards for the missing AW. The others, IF they decide to use the same time they used in AW, will only get some 6* shards, IF they win matches - to have a 50% win rate average overall , some players will have a 80%, while others have 20% - so that’s why I’m questioning the fairness of this “solution”

    The milestone rewards are not the primary source of rewards from Battlegrounds. The promotion rewards are much higher.

    And in terms of fairness, the goal is not to replace rewards for rewards. It is to replace opportunity with opportunity. The opportunity is there to earn a significant amount of rewards from BG. But of course every player is different, there will be players who will earn less rewards from BG than they would have from AW and vice versa. That's just life.
    The fact that the promotion rewards are higher is irrelevant to this discussion. They added extra rewards to milestones, not to progression rewards.

    Other thing never mentioned in this discussion is that Alliances that do not play AW at all - there are several alliances that just focus on BG, or BG/AQ, will benefit from the stoppage of a game mode that they don’t play at all… adding another level of unfairness to the solution. So, yes, I would rather not having the extra rewards added at all.
    You're missing the point. You're focused on the rewards they added. They didn't need to add any rewards, for most players. Had they not added any rewards at all, they could have simply stated that since AW is going to be shut down, players should redirect their attention to other game modes in the meantime. For most players, they would be trading one reward opportunity with another.

    It is only specifically for the players that already complete most or all of the VT that this isn't true, because those players had no additional opportunity to redirect their efforts towards. For them specifically the devs needed to add rewards to BG that they were not already getting to make additional effort in BG actually generate more rewards.

    And yes, there are alliances that do not do AW. Again, you're fixated on the rewards, but here the thing being compensated for is opportunity, not rewards. Their changes will not, and make no attempt to replicate, the reward earnings of every single player everywhere. That's simply not possible even if it was desirable.

    These discussions about what's "fair" happen all the time on the forums (and elsewhere). We're having it now continuously within the context of the BG match making system. You seem to think "fair" is "everyone gets what they used to get." But no player is entitled to any specific set of rewards. Rewards come from activity and the game presents opportunities to earn rewards, not the promise of rewards. No matter how much you think past performance guarantees certain rewards, it doesn't.

    If you think the changes are unfair because some players will get less rewards from BG than they used to get from AW and other players will get more rewards from BG than they used to get from AW, fair enough. However, it wasn't a mistake that the temporary reward changes did not hit that mark. Those changes are attempting to deliver something completely different from what you seem to want. The fact that they deliver something other than what you want is intentional.
  • BadahBadah Member Posts: 312 ★★
    DNA3000 said:

    Badah said:

    DNA3000 said:

    Badah said:

    @DNA3000 , that’s the point. People who were already doing great in battlegrounds will get the rewards for the missing AW. The others, IF they decide to use the same time they used in AW, will only get some 6* shards, IF they win matches - to have a 50% win rate average overall , some players will have a 80%, while others have 20% - so that’s why I’m questioning the fairness of this “solution”

    The milestone rewards are not the primary source of rewards from Battlegrounds. The promotion rewards are much higher.

    And in terms of fairness, the goal is not to replace rewards for rewards. It is to replace opportunity with opportunity. The opportunity is there to earn a significant amount of rewards from BG. But of course every player is different, there will be players who will earn less rewards from BG than they would have from AW and vice versa. That's just life.
    The fact that the promotion rewards are higher is irrelevant to this discussion. They added extra rewards to milestones, not to progression rewards.

    Other thing never mentioned in this discussion is that Alliances that do not play AW at all - there are several alliances that just focus on BG, or BG/AQ, will benefit from the stoppage of a game mode that they don’t play at all… adding another level of unfairness to the solution. So, yes, I would rather not having the extra rewards added at all.
    You're missing the point. You're focused on the rewards they added. They didn't need to add any rewards, for most players. Had they not added any rewards at all, they could have simply stated that since AW is going to be shut down, players should redirect their attention to other game modes in the meantime. For most players, they would be trading one reward opportunity with another.

    It is only specifically for the players that already complete most or all of the VT that this isn't true, because those players had no additional opportunity to redirect their efforts towards. For them specifically the devs needed to add rewards to BG that they were not already getting to make additional effort in BG actually generate more rewards.

    And yes, there are alliances that do not do AW. Again, you're fixated on the rewards, but here the thing being compensated for is opportunity, not rewards. Their changes will not, and make no attempt to replicate, the reward earnings of every single player everywhere. That's simply not possible even if it was desirable.

    These discussions about what's "fair" happen all the time on the forums (and elsewhere). We're having it now continuously within the context of the BG match making system. You seem to think "fair" is "everyone gets what they used to get." But no player is entitled to any specific set of rewards. Rewards come from activity and the game presents opportunities to earn rewards, not the promise of rewards. No matter how much you think past performance guarantees certain rewards, it doesn't.

    If you think the changes are unfair because some players will get less rewards from BG than they used to get from AW and other players will get more rewards from BG than they used to get from AW, fair enough. However, it wasn't a mistake that the temporary reward changes did not hit that mark. Those changes are attempting to deliver something completely different from what you seem to want. The fact that they deliver something other than what you want is intentional.
    :) from where I stand, you are the one missing the point :) kabam was not obliged to add the extra rewards, and in fact, I rather they didn’t. You are focusing on the “opportunity”. Well, that “opportunity” is not equal to all players, as for the players who already scored the max score in BG get the “opportunity” without any extra effort. The alliances who don’t play AW will get the “opportunity” without deserving it. While the vast majority of the players will not benefit from the “opportunity” at all ( do remember that the vast majority of players don’t come to the forums, nor they score 400k points in a BG season)
    No, I don’t think that fair is getting what we used to get. Fair it would be if people got the same kind of rewards that they would normally get from their AW season performance.

    Got to do other stuff now, but we can continue this discussion other time…
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 20,053 Guardian
    Badah said:

    DNA3000 said:

    Badah said:

    DNA3000 said:

    Badah said:

    @DNA3000 , that’s the point. People who were already doing great in battlegrounds will get the rewards for the missing AW. The others, IF they decide to use the same time they used in AW, will only get some 6* shards, IF they win matches - to have a 50% win rate average overall , some players will have a 80%, while others have 20% - so that’s why I’m questioning the fairness of this “solution”

    The milestone rewards are not the primary source of rewards from Battlegrounds. The promotion rewards are much higher.

    And in terms of fairness, the goal is not to replace rewards for rewards. It is to replace opportunity with opportunity. The opportunity is there to earn a significant amount of rewards from BG. But of course every player is different, there will be players who will earn less rewards from BG than they would have from AW and vice versa. That's just life.
    The fact that the promotion rewards are higher is irrelevant to this discussion. They added extra rewards to milestones, not to progression rewards.

    Other thing never mentioned in this discussion is that Alliances that do not play AW at all - there are several alliances that just focus on BG, or BG/AQ, will benefit from the stoppage of a game mode that they don’t play at all… adding another level of unfairness to the solution. So, yes, I would rather not having the extra rewards added at all.
    You're missing the point. You're focused on the rewards they added. They didn't need to add any rewards, for most players. Had they not added any rewards at all, they could have simply stated that since AW is going to be shut down, players should redirect their attention to other game modes in the meantime. For most players, they would be trading one reward opportunity with another.

    It is only specifically for the players that already complete most or all of the VT that this isn't true, because those players had no additional opportunity to redirect their efforts towards. For them specifically the devs needed to add rewards to BG that they were not already getting to make additional effort in BG actually generate more rewards.

    And yes, there are alliances that do not do AW. Again, you're fixated on the rewards, but here the thing being compensated for is opportunity, not rewards. Their changes will not, and make no attempt to replicate, the reward earnings of every single player everywhere. That's simply not possible even if it was desirable.

    These discussions about what's "fair" happen all the time on the forums (and elsewhere). We're having it now continuously within the context of the BG match making system. You seem to think "fair" is "everyone gets what they used to get." But no player is entitled to any specific set of rewards. Rewards come from activity and the game presents opportunities to earn rewards, not the promise of rewards. No matter how much you think past performance guarantees certain rewards, it doesn't.

    If you think the changes are unfair because some players will get less rewards from BG than they used to get from AW and other players will get more rewards from BG than they used to get from AW, fair enough. However, it wasn't a mistake that the temporary reward changes did not hit that mark. Those changes are attempting to deliver something completely different from what you seem to want. The fact that they deliver something other than what you want is intentional.
    :) from where I stand, you are the one missing the point :) kabam was not obliged to add the extra rewards, and in fact, I rather they didn’t. You are focusing on the “opportunity”. Well, that “opportunity” is not equal to all players, as for the players who already scored the max score in BG get the “opportunity” without any extra effort. The alliances who don’t play AW will get the “opportunity” without deserving it. While the vast majority of the players will not benefit from the “opportunity” at all ( do remember that the vast majority of players don’t come to the forums, nor they score 400k points in a BG season)
    No, I don’t think that fair is getting what we used to get. Fair it would be if people got the same kind of rewards that they would normally get from their AW season performance.

    Got to do other stuff now, but we can continue this discussion other time…
    From where I stand, the game did something reasonable to address AW being down for an extended period of time, and while I can explain why they did it, I don't have to prove it was the best of all possible options. If you want to understand why it was done, that's why it was done. If you don't care why it was done you just want to argue why you don't like it, that's an open ended conversation about what "fairness" means and without general consensus which doesn't exist, the developers' opinion wins by default.
  • Drago_von_DragoDrago_von_Drago Member Posts: 1,019 ★★★★
    If that’s why it was done, why didn’t they just explain it that way? If your context and explanation is accurate, why didn’t they just spend a few minutes including some of that info in the announcement? You’d still have people mad, but everyone defending it would have an official reason to point to at least.
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 20,053 Guardian
    Drago_von_Drago said:

    If that’s why it was done, why didn’t they just explain it that way? If your context and explanation is accurate, why didn’t they just spend a few minutes including some of that info in the announcement? You’d still have people mad, but everyone defending it would have an official reason to point to at least.

    Because I don't work for Kabam, and I don't author the announcements.
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